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amigo de christo

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There is a great deal that we cannot control in life. Governments for example can affect our lives through taxes, a myriad of laws and regulations etc. And our opposition, Satan, is determined to destroy those things over which we do have control. What we must do, and this matters not what government does or what individual or party is in power, is carefully guard and protect those things which are ours and ours alone.
And those thigs are really all that really count in life. They are all that is truly important. Our faith, which is an expression of our conscience which we must guard through cleaving to Jesus...our love for family and true friends...our determination to live holy sanctified lives and share the gospel. These things are under our control. These we must protect at all costs...and it may cost us our lives.
Yes , specially the way this whole we are one all inclusive world and religion is headed . WE will be seen
not only as being even false christains among the many sold out ones , but we will be deemed as dangerous , hateful
and the problem with the worlds ills . You mark my words .
I have already heard some of it , by christians on web sites . Well the all inclusive ones i should say , not the true christain .
And you should see them band and defend even the other religoins . I mean i was trying to witness
to an agnostic on a web site and i had two who claimed JESUS saying i was wrong . And a few others who claimed spiritual new age stuff .
THEY banded together as ONE against me for trying to preach JESUS to the lost .
Now i know the world and false religions would do that , but when those who even profess JESUS DO IT , you KNOW WE IN A MASSIVE
fallling away . Folks even within christendom not only no longer preach JESUS as the only means to be saved
THEY come agaisnt those who do so .
One on another site told me to stop prolestying JESUS and that i had a section on the forum where i could .
THEY actually set it up that way . BUT who is it that needs to HEAR about the gospel , ITS THE LOST .
Since when did it become love to silence the dire need of tellling one they must BELEIVE in JESUS to be saved . BUT IT HAS .
THIS all inclusive unity stuff , ITS GONNA TOTALLY Destroy what was even left of christendom .
They call it loving them to GOD . Just be nice , BUT DONT PROLESYIZE and now it has become even worse
now they attack those who do so . Talk about a delusion . HOW can we LOVE someone to GOD
IF WE AINT preaching the LOVE OF GOD which IS JESUS to them . AND How can we love them to GOD if we are allowing
them to either justify their sin , follow another jesus , or we allow the other religoins to feel saved IN their religoin .
THAT aint no love that comes FROM GOD . Folks need to hear the one true gospel . And church folks who already beleive
NEED to get planted in bibles and if one errs , correct them .
 

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This election year was all a set up . Well planned out .
The agenda not just about who sits what throne . ITS about massive protests and uproars .
They want us so divided , even if it costs some blood shed , because they are now trying to wear us down .
If it gets bad enough for long enough folks wear out and then start looking for ANY KIND of solution
to end the madness . GUESS WHAT , THAT IS WHEN THEY WILL OFFER THE SOLUTION .
And it wont bode well for true lambs either . cause if one wont conform , they wont be tolerated by either side .
THIS world us gonna unify under the control of sie beast . Its all headed that way .
AND whoever wont conform to its lets all be one , get along , accept the sin , accept all paths , they gonna be seen
as haters of humanity . AKA if ya dont bow to the all inclusive image they are creating
YOU will be thrown into the fiery furance . NOW lets remember those three hebrews . They refused to bow
to that image . AND we better refuse to bow to this image . No matter the cost , anything that contradicts GOD
cannot be obeyed , followed , worshipped .
 
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"Time to STOP all the tip toeing around and Charge the Head Actors with Treasonous Acts and Try such Head Acting Americans under a Military Tribunal."

I read the report about an ex-policeman who ...

So?

It is insane, criminal to believe you can grab hold of innocent people...

I highly doubt you read a Police "report", which reveals minimal information.
Leaning toward you "read" a so called "news" report of bystanders opinions...is here-say.

But yet... you have implied an insane criminal act occured...
Ridiculous at best.

Trump hopes others will

I highly doubt Trump has sent you a memo of his hopes.
 

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But you forgot to ask a question .
So now let me ask it . But what happens when the laws of the land run contrary to the GOD of the bible .

Acts 5:
[29] Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.

examples . The equality act . What happens when they say you can no longer
correct certain sin . You must accept certain sin .


Not sure what portion of the Equality Act you reference.
In summary ... Equality under the Law is the provision.

What happens when prolestying JESUS as the only way becomes a NO NO .

Accept in places that are not your TO decide the rules. Ignore in your own castle.

What happens when they want to mark us .

Accept or Refuse and be subject to consequences.

Sadly more and more churches are leading us right into the mindset ,

Have seen, have heard. I Elected a long time ado to not be affiliated with any manmade church. I am a member of Christ's Church, open 24-7. Daily attendance.

BUT when they do , we better be as those three hebrew men and say , oh no we wont .

No Free person IMO wants a Big Government in their daily business or life.

The Marxist WANTS to dictate and control every fiber of every person's entire being.
Speaking, wearing, raising kids, eating, working, thinking, beliefs, Drugs, news, travel, farming, buying, selling, health, insurance, products, education, smoking, alcohol, firearms, ....blah, blah, blah
Pfff....

People have to decide if they are willing to be Independent or a Government Dependent.

Glory to God,
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Tulsi Gabbard CALLS OUT the $600 COVID Stimulus as a “Slap in the Face” to Americans


Tulsi Gabbard- Hawaii Dem Rep.

Ha... more of a slap in the face...of Nancy Pelosi...precisely where it belongs!!!
(And I'm sure Ms Gabbard will get an ear full from Nancy in one of her famous closed door meetings reserved for Dems to be scolded and reminded Nancy is in charge and only what she says is acceptable behavior!
Which is to say, Dem congressmen are not Representatives of their constituates...they Are Nancys personal pawns!)

Covid Relief... JOKE
Covid (a Supposed Health Issue) would be a relief assistance concerning the Health of people having a issue caused by a Covid Virus (which I know not one person with the supposed Covid Virus)

The issue is "governments forcing a stand still of people being able to work"...

Nancy Pelosi is behind the PORK stuffing, on a Relief bill to supplement People, regularaly working and providing for their own...But FOR Months (ridiculously) Governmentally Prevented from working.

And as Nancy Pelosi has in the Past "pulled the same crap" stuffing a bill ( intended for One thing) full of PORK, then Demanding her Minion House Dems to VOTE on it...When they had Not been given ample time to Read the Bill or object to the PORK stuffing.
Utterly Disgraceful...She should have been EXPELLED then....and now Again the same crap!

Well good for Ms Gabbard...but better yet to follow through with Pelosi's blaten disregard for the Law...by directing a vote on a bill that has not been Reviewed by the House members....which is their JOB.

Thanks for sharing,
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Covid (a Supposed Health Issue) would be a relief assistance concerning the Health of people having a issue caused by a Covid Virus (which I know not one person with the supposed Covid Virus)

You are truly entertaining today.... So then... you are not only an expert on American politics... but also an expert on this virus... LOL
Because you do not know anyone who has it... it must therefore be FAKE...
I know you don't care what people think about what you say... but my goodness... you write with such arrogance and pride.
Just thought I would say this before placing you on ignore.
 

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[QUOTE="amigo de christo, post: 909721, member: 9169] WE will be seen
not only as being even false christains among the many sold out ones , but we will be deemed as dangerous , hateful
and the problem with the worlds ills . [/QUOTE]

Will be? Already are.
 

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Rand Paul: Lawmakers Perpetuating Lockdowns by Handing Money to States with ‘Arbitrary and Unscientific’ Rules
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Rand Paul: Lawmakers Perpetuating Lockdowns by Handing Money to States with 'Arbitrary and Unscientific' Rules


Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY) blasted the $2.3 trillion government spending bill — $900 billion of which is dedicated to coronavirus relief — criticizing Republicans for voting to print money with impunity. He warned Congress is essentially perpetuating lockdowns by handing money to states with leaders implementing rules that are “arbitrary and unscientific.”

Both the House and Senate passed the 6,000-page coronavirus relief and spending bill on Monday, which Paul said makes “modern monetary theory look like child’s play in comparison,” labeling the legislation a “deficits don’t matter disaster.”

“This bill is free money for everyone,” he said, explaining how “free money” is not the answer to the nation’s economic issues:


“And yet if free money were the answer, if money really grew on trees, why not give more free money? Why not give it out all the time? Why stop at $600 per person? Why not $1,000? Why not $2,000?” Paul continued, pondering when someone will point out the dollar “no longer has value.”

“Maybe these new free money Republicans should join the everybody-gets-a-guaranteed-income caucus. Why not $20,000 a year for everybody? Why not $30,000? If we can print up money with impunity, why not do it?” he asked.

“The treasury can just keep printing the money. That is, until someone points out that the emperor has no clothes and that the dollar no longer has value,” Paul continued.

“To s0 called conservatives who are quick to call out the socialism of Democrats, if you vote for this spending monstrosity, you are no better. When you vote to pass out free money, you lose your soul and you abandon forever any semblance of moral or fiscal integrity,” he said, assessing that the difference between parties is “less Adam Smith versus Marx and more Marx versus Engels.”

The Kentucky Republican further explained the country’s fiscal situation, noting the nation brought in $3.3 trillion last year and spent $6.6 trillion. The deficit was a “record-busting $3.3 trillion,” he said, explaining there is no more coronavirus bailout money and that such extraordinary spending habits have been “going on for decades.”



“Today’s money is gone, so Congress is spending tomorrow’s money,” he said, noting that the country finds itself $27 trillion in debt today with no cuts, offsets, or prioritization in Congress.

“Spend all this money and leave the future to figure itself out,” Paul said, adding that Congress is essentially perpetuating the lockdowns by supporting states implementing rules that are “arbitrary and unscientific.” Governors, Paul said, are picking winners and losers while family businesses are being wiped out.

“The need for help is real … but it’s clear that government has worsened the economic damage and acted as the biggest obstacle to economic recovery,” Paul added.

President-elect Joe Biden reacted to the passage of the by essentially calling for more spending:

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This creep Biden has not a clue what he doing to this country. A complete CIA asset and compromised by the CCP supporting globalism...Biden wants more and more spending to kill off the economy and the current fragile financial stability...someone needs to stop this walking suicidal maniac and ticking time bomb before he really blows this country up beyond repair...why we have not stopped/rescinded/reversed the election fraud by now is beyond me...is there a rabbit in the hat?
 
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You are truly entertaining today.... So then... you are not only an expert on American politics... but also an expert on this virus... LOL

You become easy to dismiss when you begin with a lie in an attempt to make your point more plausable.

Expert?
Did I claim that? No
Did I provide a list of credentials or accolades giving a notion of expert? No
So why Lie?

Because you do not know anyone who has it... it must therefore be FAKE...

I have already said, I get my information from Research and verifying what I heard.

I have a lot of connections to people in the Medical profession. I have contacted Medical professionals I know and Contacted people I do not know personally. Doctors, Nurses, Lab workers, ME's, Funeral homes, etc.

The feed back is interesting, astounding and disturbing. And being that I am NOT dependent on you, I base my Opinions on what I do...whether or not you approve, or have nothing to add but snarky remarks.

you write with such arrogance and pride.

The sign of maturity is to observe information and verify it.
The sign of immaturity is to only have snarky accusations.
The latter is but a waste of time, sometimes laughable, but a waste of time when the topic is a serious issue.
 
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Rand Paul: Lawmakers Perpetuating Lockdowns by Handing Money to States with ‘Arbitrary and Unscientific’ Rules
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Money is NOT FREE.
Hand outs ARE DEBTS.
DEBT markers Will be called in.

The Government Produces Nothing.
The DEBT is hanging on the People.

When a person can not Pay a DEBT ...
Think hard... they confiscate Assets.

It's a ROAD to A means to an end of A PLAN.
No "money", No "Individual ownership of assets".

Remember Mr Schwab..."everything will be free and you will be happy" ?

Nothing is Free. You will own nothing.
And you will be doled out what someone else decides you need after you work at a job someone else will decide you will do.

Don't want to work, sick, too old, feeble...?
Not to worry...they have FREE Meds for that and an oven.

BYW...inflation? Every bill borrowed costs about 3 cents to create + Face value is the borrowing cost + interest (but purchasing power is about 25 cents)....what a Deal eh?

Stop the Stupidness and people go back to work... (personal Opinion).
 
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What we are witnessing is not patriotism... It is idolatry and the talk of war over politics is madness.

The United States needs to fix some very serious errors in how they conduct elections. Not sure what that means but America has wasted millions of dollars on something that should have run smoothly and effectively.
The fact that Mr. Trump is screaming foul play is a lack of preparedness on his part... HE had 4 years to ensure that the next election would run in an efficient manner. He seems to be the expert on things of fake news and the likes.

The United States has just discovered a huge security breach in high levels of government. This should be a priority.

It seems many are falling for some of the oldest tricks in the book.... Distraction.. Division and Discord... Your country has absolutely made itself a target for all kinds of trouble... A war is the LAST thing you guys need...

Ooops... I did say I was done commenting on this thread... Couldn't help myself.
And thank God you don't live here. :)

Maybe free America can take a lesson in better governance from Canada.

Oh, wait...
 
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Rep Trey Cowdy...is that True?
Response...
DEFLECT ... DEFLECT ... DEFLECT

Repeated during "congressional hearings"
DEFLECT... DEFLECT ... DEFLECT
Questions persist?
(Shocking...but humm, the point of a hearing and witnesses is Expressly for them to answer)!

Next tactic...
Questions persist?
Other members repeatedly INTERUPT ... another DEFLECTION- ....
Repeat, Repeat, Repeat
And the Witness? Slyly sits silent with a smirk on he face...Answering Nothing!

Video-
"Complete exchange between Rep Trey Crowdy and FBI ASSISTANT DIRECTOR Peter Strzok"
Investigation into Russian collusion...<--- his directive....he personally turned into a campaign to keep Trump from being elected.

Video- Trey Crowdy
"Whatever you got, finish it the hell up"

Challenging ... where is any evidence Trump had any connection ...

Dems repeatedly make a Mockery of Hearings.
That's because the hearings are convened to put their Demonology on public display.
You know how garlic repels the mythological Dracula? Truth repels the real life Demoncrats.

But their time to answer is coming. :)
Our enemies think we should turn a blind eye and let it all happen. They condemn us our vigilance and upset at being lied to, and made the victims of mass Treason.
Why?
Because THEY DON'T LIVE HERE!

That's why.
 
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Of course there are those who have never known Jesus at all. They would be I suppose the unbelievers who remain dead in the eyes of God. Then there are those who have met Jesus and love him. How many from among those have already passed from a "through a glass, darkly" vision to the "face to face" vision of which Paul wrote? How many already know both the end of the matter and the means by which that end will come? Who are we following? Jesus? I suspect that from the time of the Reformation when Martin Luther posted his 95 theses to to now the leaders of many groups, which were to become some of these various denominations we see today also said they were following Jesus. But now... this is different because the world as we have known it is coming apart at the seams. Hmmm?

The United States that we have loved had been changed and is changing. Let's change it back and everything will be OK. Who really believes that?

Our only real hope for something better is Jesus. I do not believe Jesus is the Head of this movement to keep Trump in office and thereby to save America. Is that the first thing to be sought according to the written words of Jesus? What should be sought first before His Kingdom as per...

But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.
Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof." Matt 6:33-34

And then...

"Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence." John 18:36

But so then we should believe those who say we need to stand together and fight for what... something in and of this world?
Well God had his people fight and die for things of this world.
Some believe 21st century Christians are now above that. Which would mean God isn't like that anymore.

I'm all for passive people succumbing to the enemy. Be they Christian or otherwise. People know their worth. If they believe they were born and are told by their God to lay down and let an enemy take their country and their lives that , with regard to the God led history of America who stood with us as we fought to establish this country, let them fall supine and succumb.

However, as their eyes close to their dying light, and the blood clots their mouths and suffocates their breath for the hoard of demons trampling them into the mire so as to claim more lives, damn them if they dare judge those who stand and fight for this ONE NATION UNDER GOD! INDIVISIBLE, despite the efforts concentrated to accomplish that end, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

I'll fight to the death before I lay down and succumb to the enemy of God.
And I will never ever apologize.
If that makes me non-Christian in the eyes of those in the mire, let them spit out the clots and say it to my face.
My God is a warrior! So too is Jesus.
I for one am tired of a small cabal that think to judge American Christians because we are determined to NOT accept The Steal of our nation, and our liberty, and our futures!
Because if we surrender to those who manipulated a machine to steal our Constitution, we'll grovel and whine when we find out the machine that succeeded without being rebuffed steals our right to worship. As they're doing now under the excuse of Covid-19.

And then those judges imply we the Patriots aren't that. We're everything bad and aren't Christian.
To those I say, Go to Hell!
Which shall arrive here on earth if this nation FALLS TO ITS ENEMY. In which case those type shall be responsible. And then when they're dead they'll answer to God at their judgment.
Why did you turn your back on the nation I gave you? And condemn my saints who fought Satan?

Some have years to come up with an answer.
They'll need it.
 
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I'm neither an optimist or a pessimist. I simply understand Bible Prophecy and attempt to anticipate future events so that I don't suffer loss. (Hsea 4:6)

But the real question is the PUDDING. Personally I like Vanilla, but can go with Butterscotch; and not so much chocolate. And when the PUDDING is done we'll taste it, hopefully when T&P are re-elected, -- because it just might give us a couple months extra preparation time for when we can't buy or sell.

And having been preparing my household for a number of years, -- two months DISAPPEARS FASTER than you might guess, given all the food, shelter, necessities, and other provisions that a person might like when transitioning from a Luxury Liner to a Life Boat. ;)

With VERY BEST Regards,
Bobby Jo
Well, it is a wait and see.
Our enemies want us to roll on our back and offer our belly to Satan.
We're bad people when we don't do that. How dare we! lol

Nothing wrong with chocolate. God created the cocoa bean so that we'd be happy.
OK, he's got a wicked sense of humor because he also chuckles as we try to fit into last years button fly 501 Levi's but hey, that's why he secretly inspired SPANKS. ;)
All pudding is good except for blood pudding. There's just something really wrong with whomever came up with that recipe. :oops:
 
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IF this had been the other way around , the same news would be saying how folks ought to be arrested IF they dont surrender the machines .
Think about that . Here is what is happening and will happen . They are using tactics that willl take
any kind of opposition away . having a people who simply conform and any who dont , will be labeled as dangerous .
But rest assured if biden had been shown to be the loser . IF trump had made a sudden come back
with all these midnight dumps , This same news would be hollering conspiracy and being demanding the machines
to be surrendered . Let us not fall for propoganda .
IF the machines were to be surrendered , what is the big deal . It could at least prove whether it was fraudlent or fair .
SO why the big push at anyone who even dares to ask that this election , those machines be investigated .
And guess what , it sure could solve a lot . I mean even if trump is the loser at least more folks would not
be hollering foul as much . The other side would do the same thing . We are simply witnessing
a whole push for a total systemic change on the entire world. And that aint conspiracy , it is fact .
You become easy to dismiss when you begin with a lie in an attempt to make your point more plausable.

Expert?
Did I claim that? No
Did I provide a list of credentials or accolades giving a notion of expert? No
So why Lie?



I have already said, I get my information from Research and verifying what I heard.

I have a lot of connections to people in the Medical profession. I have contacted Medical professionals I know and Contacted people I do not know personally. Doctors, Nurses, Lab workers, ME's, Funeral homes, etc.

The feed back is interesting, astounding and disturbing. And being that I am NOT dependent on you, I base my Opinions on what I do...whether or not you approve, or have nothing to add but snarky remarks.



The sign of maturity is to observe information and verify it.
The sign of immaturity is to only have snarky accusations.
The latter is but a waste of time, sometimes laughable, but a waste of time when the topic is a serious issue.

What is interesting about Covid is the 2nd wave is not having quite the same affects as the first.
Observations like Japan with a similar population size to Italy is not having anything like the same case load.
Vitamin D from eating fish is one possible ingredient factor. It is these unknowns and variations that mean a conservative
approach is a good idea, until we understand and know what to do for the best.

I know professors, GP's, researchers who know the virus and understand its affects and this is no hoax.
And people have died in our church from it. What is unknown is as we gain better understanding and hopefully the vaccine things will return to normal.

God bless you
 

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Well God had his people fight and die for things of this world.
Some believe 21st century Christians are now above that. Which would mean God isn't like that anymore.
No, God has not changed...ever. I am listening not as a stranger I hope but rather as a sheep and hearing His voice. I am in His army and I follow orders but so far I have not been ordered to confront the enemy some people here apparently believe they are seeing. Someone is always willing to help out in pointing out some enemies to be hated or attacked among people, but who has God declared to be an Esau: Biden? Some things I have read here indicate that some sees the heart of Biden. I really doubt that.

I don't know the man. Should I try to get to know him and decide his fate by what people here have determined based on their readings and political studies? Should I do the same for Trump?

I have been around a long time and experienced many things in the world of men. Much that I have seen in the world at large and in this country of ours, I have not liked. While serving in Viet Nam I really did not understand the need, but I was there. In the Dominican Republic I understood somewhat the error of the USA, but I still
obeyed orders.

Consider the difficulty of two devout lovers of God living in one of the border states when North and South were getting ready to or actually already shooting at their previous friends and even at their own blood brothers.

As depicted
in the movie Shenandoah, deciding not to fight was not an option that left you out of the battles and the pain. But were not both Union Blue and Confederate Gray on the Lord's side? Which political side in the USA today is the Lord's?

I'm all for passive people succumbing to the enemy. Be they Christian or otherwise. People know their worth. If they believe they were born and are told by their God to lay down and let an enemy take their country and their lives that , with regard to the God led history of America who stood with us as we fought to establish this country, let them fall supine and succumb.
Again, which side was God on from 1861 to 1865? Which side were the slaves on? Which side were the American natives [Indians] on? Where did those groups [blacks and Indians] stand in relation to the Manifest Destiny of Theodore Roosevelt? What happened to due process of law for natural born American citizens of Japanese ancestry when they were placed in concentration camps for the duration of WWII? Why didn't they do the same thing to those of German and Italian ancestry?

Were they walking softly and carrying a big stick or were they perhaps on the receiving end of the stick because they were not of the WASP [White Ango Saxon Protestant] birth and persuasion?

Where was Thomas Jefferson, who wrote the Declaration with regard to his black slaves, slaves so necessary to high life style, who in spite of his good words would not and
did not free them even at his death? Of the 16 presidents of these United States through Abraham Lincoln, 11 of them owned slaves including George Washington. The two presidents immediately following Lincoln had also been slave holders when it was legal.

Do you suppose I am simply lying down and dying when it comes to God? I really strive to be on His side no matter where anyone else is standing. I would rather that all others claiming to be on His side would also be with me... Who is making America equal to God's kingdom? Too many from where I am standing and from what I see and hear.
How many have received a revelation from God on this? Doesn't everyone know that know that God is an American and a Republican and Jesus is on Trump's side? Where is honesty? Do we live for God by faith in Him or in the good words and promises of Constitution that so many have circumvented since long before I was born.

Who sees the face of God? Who is seeking His face rather than presuming it is to be found in the ideal nation of the USA, if only it can be found?


However, as their eyes close to their dying light, and the blood clots their mouths and suffocates their breath for the hoard of demons trampling them into the mire so as to claim more lives, damn them if they dare judge those who stand and fight for this ONE NATION UNDER GOD! INDIVISIBLE, despite the efforts concentrated to accomplish that end, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

I'll fight to the death before I lay down and succumb to the enemy of God.
And I will never ever apologize.
Have you ever wondered what those who died in foreign lands wearing American uniforms believed before they really did die? I was in the signal corps when it was just starting to heat up over there for Americans, but I knew personally two in my company who paid the ultimate price in Viet Nam. Was that a good war? Did they die for a good cause? Did they live to see me and others arrive home in uniform where people, good citizens of the USA were demonstrating against us while others my age were avoiding the draft in Canada? The draft dodgers for the most part were pardoned, but who remembers those who died for what? For freedom? Freedom from or for what?

Are Americans better today than they were during the various wars where soldiers died for what? Will a new rebellion fix the problems? Did the Civil War fix the problems for black people? What fixed it for the Indians or for the Japanese Americans?

Declaring a person's willing to die is not the same as actually dying. I did not die in that war but the faces of those with me who did will always be with me... those who never married and never had children or grandchildren. Has this nation ever been One Nation Under God in fact for everyone living in it? Have those bearing the label of Christian in the USA done so much better? Are they really doing so much better as a group today? 70% is the number I find on an Internet search, of the population of the USA are "Christians", but how many are Christ-like or striving to be with their all?

Who is the enemy of God other than the 'old man' in me and/or the devil who tempts me? But... I am not on your bandwagon so I must be on the devil's side? Is that it?

If that makes me non-Christian in the eyes of those in the mire, let them spit out the clots and say it to my face.
Please don't throw your words at me as if I were denying your faith. That is not in my job description ... but some apparently believe according to what I see and hear believe that it is in theirs.

"He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God." John 3:18

Do you believe in the name of the only begotten Son of God? I do and if you do also then neither of us is condemned no matter what our political leaning or lack thereof.
 
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You are truly entertaining today.... So then... you are not only an expert on American politics... but also an expert on this virus... LOL
Because you do not know anyone who has it... it must therefore be FAKE...
I know you don't care what people think about what you say... but my goodness... you write with such arrogance and pride.
Just thought I would say this before placing you on ignore.
Plank in own eye.
 
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