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Ok, so then from the disciples’ perspective - which likely wasn’t fully aware of the ascension to heaven and return at the time of the OD- when they asked “what is the sign of your coming?”, they weren’t asking “what is the sign of your return from heaven”, but more likely asking “what is the...

Right, this explanation of Jesus ascending to heaven and returning was given many days AFTER the olivet discourse. so if the disciples didn’t yet understand that, what does the question about “thy coming” mean from their perspective, at the time of the olivet discourse ?

I’m not asking what end of the age means. I’m asking what “thy coming” means from the perspective of disciples, if they didn’t yet fully understand that Christ was to ascend and then return. In other words, in Matthew 24:3, how can the parousia (coming), be understood as a return from heaven...

the point is, I’m trying to understand their question from their perspective.

I think they were probably referring to Christ coming into his kingdom/the kingdom of God coming with power, without fully knowing that Christ was going to ascend and then return.

the resurrection takes place after the olivet discourse.

“The sign of your coming” - what does this mean, if the disciples didnt yet understand that Christ was to ascend and then return.

So if they didn’t have the understanding that Christ was to ascend and then return, at the time of the Olivet discourse, what were the disciples asking in vs 3?

In the olivet discourse of Matthew, when the disciples asked “what will be the sign of your coming?”, did they already fully comprehend at this point that Christ was going to go ascend to heaven and then return? in other words, IF, at the time of the Olivet discourse, the disciples did not know...

The belief that Matthew 24:4-34 was completely fulfilled within Jesus’ generation is itself not a “framework” imported into the text— it’s a conclusion drawn from the text itself through context, grammar, syntax, historicity, and audience relevance. That’s why even theologians from non-preterist...

I absolutely agree that they did not live through the events according to your own interpretative framework that you import onto those texts - i agree no image of the beast spoke within Jesus’ generation, according to your interpretation of that event in revelation 13. I agree the 2nd coming...

i absolutely agree the disciples didn’t live through the events according to your interpretive framework. I agree, it would be false according to your biblical framework. But contrary to your framework, the apostles claimed it was near (James 5:8-9), that the end had drawn near ( 1 Peter...

Thanks for clarifying. I completely agree with this. I think our approaches to getting there were just different (hyperbolic/idiomatic vs literal), and that’s where the confusion was.

As I’ve already stated, I absolutely agree the events didn’t unfold according to your framework. And I rebutted that - Not knowing the exact day nor hour is not the same as not knowing the general time frame. Greek Grammar – A verb is set in the indicative mood in order to make a statement or...

“Unlike” any other tribulation in what way? Thats what I’m trying to ascertain. That wasn’t my intention. I only provided two examples so as to help get my point across. I didn’t mean there were only 2 options as to what you were trying to say.