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    Who is Paul discussing in 2 Thessalonians 2?

    I don't mind discussing the many interpretations that can be found throughout the Christian community. And I can assure you there is absolutely no consensus of opinion on MOST of Daniel - especially among the scholars - old and new. Further, I have read and studied the works of those scholars...
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    Who is Paul discussing in 2 Thessalonians 2?

    Well, I think you have made it quite clear how you see things... no problem. But you might consider that Daniel was written specifically for His people and His city. Meaning, this book's most important prophecy is the coming of their Messiah within the early part of the 4th kingdom. It was not...
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    Who is Paul discussing in 2 Thessalonians 2?

    Here is where you might want to start - this is the first mention of the little horn. 7“After this I saw in the night visions, and behold, a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, exceedingly strong. It had huge iron teeth; it was devouring, breaking in pieces, and trampling the residue with its...
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    Who is Paul discussing in 2 Thessalonians 2?

    Again, just general comments .. begin with Daniel 7 and stay there. This is where God is teling us all about him. Who is this actor?
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    Who is Paul discussing in 2 Thessalonians 2?

    So, who is the little horn and can you identify him by these markers? (I would suggest you might start with Daniel 7 - God has indeed given us plenty of information to his identity). Daniel 7 is the chapter where God first introduces us to this little horn character. This is where you must...
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    Who is Paul discussing in 2 Thessalonians 2?

    Ok, but I would ask that you take your conclusion - satan, and show how he speaks to these markers. I provided the markers that are important in identifying the lawless one and the timing of his arrival, who or what was then restraining him, how it would be removed, etc., and then once that...
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    70th Week and Day of the Lord are separate events.

    I understand that you are appealing to Tertullian, and you are certainly free to accept his interpretation. But when I read how he handled Daniel 9, I do not find that he carefully explained the passage in detail. He gave a very broad explanation, but he did not really break down Daniel 9:24–27...
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    70th Week and Day of the Lord are separate events.

    I would ask that you might try and interpret ALL the information I provided you... I can assure you that Tertullian or anyone up to today has NOT torn apart these 4 verses AND they agree with the rest of the prophetic verses both before and after chapter 9. But, you are certainly entitles to...
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    70th Week and Day of the Lord are separate events.

    If I understand your comment.. I think you are saying that Tertullian believed the "prince who is to come" is the Messiah? Well, if you read many of the church followers they were all over the place - no different than today.
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    70th Week and Day of the Lord are separate events.

    Chiastic structure for 9:24 - 27 A — Spiritual restoration Daniel 9:24 — sin, atonement, righteousness, prophecy, Most Holy B — Physical restoration Daniel 9:25a — Jerusalem restored and rebuilt C — True/restorative Prince Daniel 9:25b — Messiah the Prince comes C′ — False/destructive prince...
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    70th Week and Day of the Lord are separate events.

    There is no question there was terrible in-fighting within the nation - at least 3 different factions all clawing at themselve. The nation was disintegrating. But, the one common denominator for the 3 groups was their hatred for Rome. And when the northern Jews fought, embarrassed and killed...
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    70th Week and Day of the Lord are separate events.

    Thanks for the coversation but I have provided you with answers with scripture references to your interpretations at least twice. You are certainly entitiled to your own interpretations. 9:26.....And the people of the prince who is to come Shall destroy the city and the sanctuary. In the...
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    70th Week and Day of the Lord are separate events.

    I agree with part of what you are saying, but I think you are blending two different levels of destruction that Daniel keeps distinct. Yes, there was a spiritual condition before the physical destruction. Daniel’s prayer in chapter 9 shows that Jerusalem’s earlier fall came after covenant...
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    70th Week and Day of the Lord are separate events.

    Chiastic structure for 9:24 - 27 A — Spiritual restoration Daniel 9:24 — sin, atonement, righteousness, prophecy, Most Holy B — Physical restoration Daniel 9:25a — Jerusalem restored and rebuilt C — True/restorative Prince Daniel 9:25b — Messiah the Prince comes C′ — False/destructive prince...
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    70th Week and Day of the Lord are separate events.

    NO. The prince who is to come does so after 70 ad. I believe I have explained this a few times in the previous posts. The consequence of their rejection could not occur prior to their rejection. Jesus in indeed telling them what will happen. Please read post #364 - it is quite detailed.