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We know that if we do not guard ourselves against deceivers, we can "shrink-in-shame" at His coming (which is not compatible with "being saved"), 1Jn2:26-28. We know that if we do not guard ourselves against deceivers we can lose what we have wrought, for anyone who goes too far and does not...

You ignored the other cited verses. It says (without ambiguity) that if we do NOT keep ourselves in Him, guarding against deception, we will not reign with Him! I'm not going to repeat the posts; please scan back and engage the verses. With respect, having specific verses cited to you but...

To walk in sin, is to disbelieve Jesus. It is as as Heb3 says, "hardened by deceitful sin to an unbelieving heart that falls away from God". No OSAS person can interact with words like these... Heb6 (like the rest of the letter, which no one here is willing to engage), warns against falling...

What's possible meaning #2? KEEP YOURSELVES in the love of God -- that would never be said unless there was a possibility of NOT keeping. Our being reconciled is conditioned on "continuing in the faith steadfast, and not being moved away from Jesus". You quote 2Cor5:17 -- but verse 20 plainly...

No, you can't reply as if "one verse allows us to just MARK OUT other verses" --- what is the intended meaning of the verses I cited?

No, we cannot break context -- IF we submit to His discipline, THEN He treats us as sons, for what son is not disciplined by his father? We were subject to God's discipline (therefore we were His sons!), but if we are now WITHOUT His discipline then we are not sons but illegitimate (even though...

Right; and in no way does that conflict Rom11, "they will be grafted in again if they do not continue in unbelief". Nor James5, "(if) he is led back from wandering-away-from-the-truth, his soul will be saved (again!) and his sins covered/forgiven". Willful sin; Heb6:4-6 is identical to...

Us. 12:7 "IF we endure God's discipline, then He treats us as sons" 12:8 "But if we ARE WITHOUT (present tense!) His discipline, of which all HAVE BECOME metochos-partners (past tense!), then we are not sons but are illegitimate (present tense!) 12:9 "SHALL we not much rather BE subject to the...

OSAS (Once Saved Always Saved), or "OSNAS" (Once Saved Not necessarily Always Saved), is in regard to Scripture. The study travelled through Hebrews, chapters 2, I admire your enthusiasm; yet, when confronted with an entire letter admonishing, chapter by chapter, "Don't fall from...

Before I answer, let's read those verses in context (Yes I know the NASB has some grievous errors; but in many places it is closer to Greek than other translations. KJV is much better in places, like correctly rendering the conditional in Heb12:7!) Therefore if you have been raised up with...

The man in Heb10:29 "was sanctified by Jesus' blood" -- but now he scorns that very blood, tramples Jesus and insults the Spirit; in context Jesus' sacrifice no longer covers him. And in context, he is us if we do not heed the warning. Speaking of "flock": "Be on guard for yourselves and for...

All of God, nothing of us. No -- it was wrought on the Cross, but it's a gift -- we are completely free to receive the gift or not. Rom5:17. Salvation is by God's grace through our faith; Robertson says on Eph2:8 "grace is God's part, faith is ours". On Rom1:17 Robertson says God's...

"Movement" is what is denied by OSAS proponents. In verses like Heb3:12-13 they try to assert either: 1. The subjects were never TRULY saved in the first place! 2. The subjects never actually fell; they may be deceived to fewer rewards-in-Heaven, but not salvation itself Again, if he presumed...

Would you be willing to interact with my post 342, "the entire letter of Hebrews"? How does the entire letter chapter by chapter warn against "Falling-from-Salvation" (osnas)?

The powerlessness is on the person. (Goodness you made a long post!) The powerlessness is on the person -- they cannot be turned to repentance BECAUSE OF their willful sin. NASB footnote writes it "while" -- fully implying that if they do not continue in unbelief, they can be grafted in again...