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Mitch Etling

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"Judge not, that ye be not judged.
For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye." Matt 7:1-7

"I know that the way of man is not in himself: it is not in man that walketh to direct his steps." Jerem. 10:23

@Mitch Etling Are you not also a man? Are you walking ahead of the Lord instead of meekly and humbly obediently following Him? Are you not also fallible? Have you already overcome the world as Jesus did?


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But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.

1 Corinthians 2:15

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Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear.

1 Timothy 5:20

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Cry aloud, spare not, lift up thy voice like a trumpet, and shew my people their transgression, and the house of Jacob their sins.

Isaiah 58:1

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Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him; Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.

James 5:19-20

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For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?

1 Peter 4:17

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Mitch, buddy, give yourself a shake! Wake up! Seriously, man, snap out of it.
If you are ever going to be loved with the love of Christ, Christianity Board is the place.
But if you persist in this twisted spirituality, you may be marginalized.
You don't have to be anything but yourself here.
God loves you and accepts you just the way you are, because of what Jesus has done for all of us. He will change you.
God is our Father. A father doesn't reject his children just because they're not perfect. He nurtures them.
Maybe, like me, you were not fathered properly.
My dad did the best he could, but he went through the horrors of the second world war as a teenager.
Whatever the reason, please know that we want you here with us. Allow us to love you. You won't regret it. :)
 

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Mitch, buddy, give yourself a shake! Wake up! Seriously, man, snap out of it.

Speaking of a shake, I had some coffee ice cream yesterday and the day before. Minimal caffeine, but still.

I wonder if my soul is in peril now. :eek:

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Born again Christians DO NOT USE psychotropic drugs OF ANY KIND.

Here are some examples of psychotropic drugs:

Caffeine (coffee, decaffeinated coffee, tea, caffeinated soda, energy drinks, chocolate, etc).

Alcohol (wine, beer, or ANY OTHER SOURCE, including flavor extracts and cough syrup).

Psychiatric medication (ANY OF THEM).

Nicotine (cigaretts, gum, patches, chew or any other form of tobacco).

Narcotic pain killers (morphine, fentanyl, oxycodone, hydrocodone, etc).

Anxiety medication (Xanax, Ativan, etc).

Traditional drugs (cannabis, cocaine, heroin, methamphetamine, mushrooms, LSD, MDMA, etc).

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Born again Christians KNOW that using psychotropic drugs IS A SIN known as "works of the flesh":

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This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law. Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

Galatians 5:16-21

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In Galatians 5:20, the greek word used for "witchcraft" is "pharmakeia" - the use of medicine, drugs or spells.

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5331. pharmakeia
Strong's Concordance
pharmakeia: the use of medicine, drugs or spells
Original Word: φαρμακεία, ας, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: pharmakeia
Phonetic Spelling: (far-mak-i'-ah)
Definition: the use of medicine, drugs or spells
Usage: magic, sorcery, enchantment.
HELPS Word-studies
5331 pharmakeía (from pharmakeuō, "administer drugs") – properly, drug-related sorcery, like the practice of magical-arts, etc. (A. T. Robertson).

NAS Exhaustive Concordance
Word Origin
from pharmakeuó (to administer drugs)
Definition
the use of medicine, drugs or spells
NASB Translation
sorceries (1), sorcery (2).

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ALL born again Christians have this written in their hearts already - ONLY FAKE CHRISTIANS USE PSYCHOTROPIC DRUGS; if you see a so called "Christian" drinking coffee or cola, or smoking a cigarette, you can rest assured knowing that they are a FAKE CHRISTIAN -- that the Holy Spirit of God DOES NOT LIVE INSIDE THEM.

The only exception to this, is someone that has only RECENTLY became born again; over a SHORT time, almost ALL of those that have been born again will STOP consuming caffeine, alcohol, and all other psychotropic drugs - God's Holy Spirit WILL NOT ALLOW IT.

If a born again Christian continues to use psychotropic drugs, God will 100% DESTROY THEM AND SEND THEM TO HELL!

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Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

1 Corinthians 3:16-17

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If you disagree with anything that I said, it's because you're NOT born again - God's Holy Spirit does NOT live inside you, and when you die, you'll go directly to Hell.

You must STOP SINNING - DO what The Lord Jesus Christ tells you to do, or go to the Lake of Fire!

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And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?

Luke 6:46

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But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.

James 1:22

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Whoso despiseth the word shall be destroyed: but he that feareth the commandment shall be rewarded.

Proverbs 13:13

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And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;

Hebrews 5:9

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Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Matthew 7:15-23

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Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.

Ezekiel 18:4

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Cry aloud, spare not, lift up thy voice like a trumpet, and shew my people their transgression, and the house of Jacob their sins.

Isaiah 58:1

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Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear.

1 Timothy 5:20

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Stop sinning, or go to the Lake of Fire...

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Are you saying you're providing a revelation of God. We are told we can have a little wine for our infirmities in the bible. Mormons do not proclaim this, and are wrong for some good reasons. As we get older and don't have doctor care sometimes we need pain medications to alleviate suffering.

1 Timothy 5:23

Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for thy stomach's sake and thine often infirmities.

And I have a sedating medication I have to take so I drink coffee. Which is also not evil or damning to the soul.

You're revelations appear not to conform to biblical teachings. We should always conform our revelations with the bible. Unless you think the bible is wrong.
 

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Coffee and toilet paper is the only thing keeping the human race civil. Take those things away and you will see all hell break loose.

I think he's pushing for prohibition which worked wonders for rebellion. LOL:

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Alcohol and drugs alter the mind to produce poor decision-making. Caffeine has the opposite effect; it sharpens the mind.
Actually a little alcohol can make decision making better. Not while you're drinking it, but afterwards, since it calms the soul and can bring peace from suffering.

The effects of pain can cause trauma to the soul and cause all sorts of psycho-logic problems which a little alcohol can relieve. I know plenty of responsible drinkers that benefit from a little alcohol use. Which is prescribed in the bible also.
 

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Are you really distinguishing caffeine from every other recreational drug?

Caffeine is a stimulant. It is still a recreational drug that needs to be used responsibly.

Drugs have different effects. Alcohol can sharpen one socially by bypassing misguided inhibitions.

Of course one should be wise with drug use. Many drugs should not be used at all, and some that may be recommended require more monitoring than others. And addiction often concerns coveting, so sin does come into it.

Alcohol, used appropriately, is a good drug. It's not for everyone, but Yahweh judges it to be a good thing.

As for other drugs, it's best to go on a case by case basis. One simple rule I have though is to avoid anything artificial, whether this be medicinal or recreational. Beyond this it's complicated and varies based on the individual.


For John the Baptist came neither eating nor drinking and you said look, he is possessed by a demon. And the son of man came eating and drinking, and you said look, a glutton and a drunkard, a friend of sinners. But wisdom is proven right by all her children.

Yes, I personally drink and/or consumed very little caffeine. And, yes, Caffeine can be used irresponsibility.
 
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Born again Christians DO NOT USE psychotropic drugs OF ANY KIND.

Here are some examples of psychotropic drugs:

Caffeine (coffee, decaffeinated coffee, tea, caffeinated soda, energy drinks, chocolate, etc).

Alcohol (wine, beer, or ANY OTHER SOURCE, including flavor extracts and cough syrup).

Psychiatric medication (ANY OF THEM).

Nicotine (cigaretts, gum, patches, chew or any other form of tobacco).

Narcotic pain killers (morphine, fentanyl, oxycodone, hydrocodone, etc).

Anxiety medication (Xanax, Ativan, etc).

Traditional drugs (cannabis, cocaine, heroin, methamphetamine, mushrooms, LSD, MDMA, etc).

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Born again Christians KNOW that using psychotropic drugs IS A SIN known as "works of the flesh":

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This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law. Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

Galatians 5:16-21

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In Galatians 5:20, the greek word used for "witchcraft" is "pharmakeia" - the use of medicine, drugs or spells.

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5331. pharmakeia
Strong's Concordance
pharmakeia: the use of medicine, drugs or spells
Original Word: φαρμακεία, ας, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: pharmakeia
Phonetic Spelling: (far-mak-i'-ah)
Definition: the use of medicine, drugs or spells
Usage: magic, sorcery, enchantment.
HELPS Word-studies
5331 pharmakeía (from pharmakeuō, "administer drugs") – properly, drug-related sorcery, like the practice of magical-arts, etc. (A. T. Robertson).

NAS Exhaustive Concordance
Word Origin
from pharmakeuó (to administer drugs)
Definition
the use of medicine, drugs or spells
NASB Translation
sorceries (1), sorcery (2).

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ALL born again Christians have this written in their hearts already - ONLY FAKE CHRISTIANS USE PSYCHOTROPIC DRUGS; if you see a so called "Christian" drinking coffee or cola, or smoking a cigarette, you can rest assured knowing that they are a FAKE CHRISTIAN -- that the Holy Spirit of God DOES NOT LIVE INSIDE THEM.

The only exception to this, is someone that has only RECENTLY became born again; over a SHORT time, almost ALL of those that have been born again will STOP consuming caffeine, alcohol, and all other psychotropic drugs - God's Holy Spirit WILL NOT ALLOW IT.

If a born again Christian continues to use psychotropic drugs, God will 100% DESTROY THEM AND SEND THEM TO HELL!

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Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

1 Corinthians 3:16-17

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If you disagree with anything that I said, it's because you're NOT born again - God's Holy Spirit does NOT live inside you, and when you die, you'll go directly to Hell.

You must STOP SINNING - DO what The Lord Jesus Christ tells you to do, or go to the Lake of Fire!

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And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?

Luke 6:46

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But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.

James 1:22

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Whoso despiseth the word shall be destroyed: but he that feareth the commandment shall be rewarded.

Proverbs 13:13

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And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;

Hebrews 5:9

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Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Matthew 7:15-23

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Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.

Ezekiel 18:4

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Cry aloud, spare not, lift up thy voice like a trumpet, and shew my people their transgression, and the house of Jacob their sins.

Isaiah 58:1

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Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear.

1 Timothy 5:20

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Stop sinning, or go to the Lake of Fire...

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No pain killers at surgery or the dentist???

Okay Rambo.