Lol unless they're a real pain in the butt I don't want to see anybody leave. 
You guys are really awesome for the most part though!!
You guys are really awesome for the most part though!! To The Members We've Lost and Future Members That Are Leaving
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Are you vested with authority to speak for all members who have departed CB?
I assure you, there is a problem if,when, someone sexually harasses and or threatens a member in private. I.E PM's.
I was a member of a forum for a brief time and where that did occur. Not only did I receive inappropriate PM's, I also was sent images of couples,not sexually explicit, but none the less inappropriate when the sender was not only married, but was also a Moderator under a different name. I know this because he told me so.
I informed them this was wrong and I was uncomfortable. They just laughed, settled down for a post (pm) or two, and then went back to their routine as perv.
I'd hoped I could reach them by rebuffing their efforts by telling them to stop with the flirting and pictures, and therein keeping it casual. Or ignoring them, which I ultimately did.Had to.
Somehow they bypassed the ignore function. And continued as if no barrier on my part had been installed.
Who to report them too? A Moderator with years standing?
I left.
Because something was wrong.
Unfortunately, in the midst of his PM's he revealed he PM'd many women on the site. God be with them.
When the stress of participating on a Christian form outweighs its joy, I assure you something, someone, is wrong.
And I don't think it right to impart April's intentions in the OP are of good heart, after implying the topic itself is invalid and-or unfounded.
Hopefully you left that forum because inappropriate advances are a sure sign of an illigetimate ministry that is not ordained by God, by my judgement anyhow. Helping to moderate and admin this site is a sort of ministry, we are held to a higher standard as watchmen. Whatever we permit to happen here becomes common place.
There certainly were. Which is unforgivable. Because it is those ones who then lead to others of sincere witness to become suspect as one of those liars.
Which of course helps to further shield the actual real sexual predator(s).
I will have to say as a survivor of rape, I do not love them. Just as I would not give hug and kiss upon the cheek of the devil.
Because, firstly and foremost, that leading contradicts God's reactions to his enemies.
I believe just as they council of Rome did remove from scripture references to other Archangels save for Michael, and did leave Gabriel in the scripture minus his identity as Archangel, so too is it apparent such omission or addition did occur by them and other councils in history.
When God, who was Jesus, the Word made flesh, smote his enemies in the OT and cursed them in the New, those in the temple Immanuel called vipers and of their father the devil, and too fashioned a whip with his own hands and took after the money changers, Jews, for defiling his father's house, I do not accept that same unchanging God would then tell those of us who are to be like him, to love my rapists.
To give unto a burglar who enters a home more than what they intended to take by force at knife or gunpoint, and love them too. And not resist that sinner.
However, a Roman council, and other councils empowered by Rome and imparting those concessions by victims of such evil , would benefit from the zeal for global conquest by the authority and armies of Rome.
As they would bring the word and the sword to yet unconquered people's at the same time.
I don't love those who are or do evil. Nor does God.
For me, to love evil is to corrupt by association those worthy of my love.
And if I love that one who does evil unto me, what does that communicate to them as pertains to my self respect and self preservation from and against evil?
Ephesians 5:11
Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them.
Fixed typos yet again.Lord, this is getting old.
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Hopefully it isn't against the rules to give my public apologies to you. I don't think you're perfect but then again none of us on here are,.. but regardless of our differences I still think that you're a good and important member of the CB staff team. So basically what I'm saying is that our past feud is all water under the bridge to me now.
Yes. There's that typo devil I mentioned before. It was spelled correctly when I proofread before committing to post.
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Yea you were quite mad, I can be like a brick wall some days. I call those weekdays.Hopefully it isn't against the rules to give my public apologies to you. I don't think you're perfect but then again none of us on here are,.. but regardless of our differences I still think that you're a good and important member of the CB staff team. So basically what I'm saying is that our past feud is all water under the bridge to me now.
Brother God hates evil not people...He grieves those who are lost.
Whoa,.. wait a second hold up here!! Did Hell just freeze over??? A staff member admitting that they were partly at fault? *Overly dramatic gasp*
LOL, OK, but I was putting myself out there. OK on a serious note there is no room for sexual harassment. Cheers!NO!
I did some research on that scripture and it isn't used in the context of not loving him.
Home Content Index Books of the Bible Malachi Love Jacob hate Esau
QUESTION
Why did God love Jacob and hate Esau?
ANSWER
Malachi 1:2-3 declares, “‘I have loved you,’” says the LORD. But you ask, ‘How have you loved us?’ ‘Was not Esau Jacob’s brother?’ the LORD says. ‘Yet I have loved Jacob, but Esau I have hated, and I have turned his mountains into a wasteland and left his inheritance to the desert jackals.’” Malachi 1:3 is quoted in Romans 9:10-13, “Not only that, but Rebekah’s children had one and the same father, our father Isaac. Yet, before the twins were born or had done anything good or bad—in order that God’s purpose in election might stand: not by works but by him who calls—she was told, ‘The older will serve the younger.’ Just as it is written: ‘Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.’” Why did God love Jacob and hate Esau? If God is love (1 John 4:8), how could He hate anyone?
When studying the Bible, it is critically important to always study the context of a particular Bible verse or passage. In these instances, the prophet Malachi and the apostle Paul are using the name “Esau” to refer to the Edomites, who were the descendants of Esau. Isaac and Rebekah had two sons, Esau and Jacob. God chose Jacob (whom He later renamed “Israel”) to be the father of His chosen people, the Israelites. God rejected Esau (who was also called “Edom”) and did not choose him to be the father of His chosen people. Esau and his descendants, the Edomites, were in many ways blessed by God (Genesis 33:9; Genesis chapter 36).
So, considering the context, God loving Jacob and hating Esau has nothing to do with the human emotions of love and hate. It has everything to do with God choosing one man and his descendants and rejecting another man and his descendants. God chose Abraham out of all the men in the world. The Bible very well could say, “Abraham I loved, and every other man I hated.” God chose Abraham’s son Isaac instead of Abraham’s son Ishmael. The Bible very well could say, “Isaac I loved, and Ishmael I hated.” Romans chapter 9 makes it abundantly clear that loving Jacob and hating Esau was entirely related to which of them God chose. Hundreds of years after Jacob and Esau had died, the Israelites and Edomites became bitter enemies. The Edomites often aided Israel’s enemies in attacks on Israel. Esau’s descendants brought God’s curse upon themselves. Genesis 27:29 tells Israel, “May nations serve you and peoples bow down to you. Be lord over your brothers, and may the sons of your mother bow down to you. May those who curse you be cursed and those who bless you be blessed.”
QUESTION
Why did God love Jacob and hate Esau?
ANSWER
Malachi 1:2-3 declares, “‘I have loved you,’” says the LORD. But you ask, ‘How have you loved us?’ ‘Was not Esau Jacob’s brother?’ the LORD says. ‘Yet I have loved Jacob, but Esau I have hated, and I have turned his mountains into a wasteland and left his inheritance to the desert jackals.’” Malachi 1:3 is quoted in Romans 9:10-13, “Not only that, but Rebekah’s children had one and the same father, our father Isaac. Yet, before the twins were born or had done anything good or bad—in order that God’s purpose in election might stand: not by works but by him who calls—she was told, ‘The older will serve the younger.’ Just as it is written: ‘Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.’” Why did God love Jacob and hate Esau? If God is love (1 John 4:8), how could He hate anyone?
When studying the Bible, it is critically important to always study the context of a particular Bible verse or passage. In these instances, the prophet Malachi and the apostle Paul are using the name “Esau” to refer to the Edomites, who were the descendants of Esau. Isaac and Rebekah had two sons, Esau and Jacob. God chose Jacob (whom He later renamed “Israel”) to be the father of His chosen people, the Israelites. God rejected Esau (who was also called “Edom”) and did not choose him to be the father of His chosen people. Esau and his descendants, the Edomites, were in many ways blessed by God (Genesis 33:9; Genesis chapter 36).
So, considering the context, God loving Jacob and hating Esau has nothing to do with the human emotions of love and hate. It has everything to do with God choosing one man and his descendants and rejecting another man and his descendants. God chose Abraham out of all the men in the world. The Bible very well could say, “Abraham I loved, and every other man I hated.” God chose Abraham’s son Isaac instead of Abraham’s son Ishmael. The Bible very well could say, “Isaac I loved, and Ishmael I hated.” Romans chapter 9 makes it abundantly clear that loving Jacob and hating Esau was entirely related to which of them God chose. Hundreds of years after Jacob and Esau had died, the Israelites and Edomites became bitter enemies. The Edomites often aided Israel’s enemies in attacks on Israel. Esau’s descendants brought God’s curse upon themselves. Genesis 27:29 tells Israel, “May nations serve you and peoples bow down to you. Be lord over your brothers, and may the sons of your mother bow down to you. May those who curse you be cursed and those who bless you be blessed.”
Are you Calvinist?Home Content Index Books of the Bible Malachi Love Jacob hate Esau
QUESTION
Why did God love Jacob and hate Esau?
ANSWER
Malachi 1:2-3 declares, “‘I have loved you,’” says the LORD. But you ask, ‘How have you loved us?’ ‘Was not Esau Jacob’s brother?’ the LORD says. ‘Yet I have loved Jacob, but Esau I have hated, and I have turned his mountains into a wasteland and left his inheritance to the desert jackals.’” Malachi 1:3 is quoted in Romans 9:10-13, “Not only that, but Rebekah’s children had one and the same father, our father Isaac. Yet, before the twins were born or had done anything good or bad—in order that God’s purpose in election might stand: not by works but by him who calls—she was told, ‘The older will serve the younger.’ Just as it is written: ‘Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.’” Why did God love Jacob and hate Esau? If God is love (1 John 4:8), how could He hate anyone?
When studying the Bible, it is critically important to always study the context of a particular Bible verse or passage. In these instances, the prophet Malachi and the apostle Paul are using the name “Esau” to refer to the Edomites, who were the descendants of Esau. Isaac and Rebekah had two sons, Esau and Jacob. God chose Jacob (whom He later renamed “Israel”) to be the father of His chosen people, the Israelites. God rejected Esau (who was also called “Edom”) and did not choose him to be the father of His chosen people. Esau and his descendants, the Edomites, were in many ways blessed by God (Genesis 33:9; Genesis chapter 36).
So, considering the context, God loving Jacob and hating Esau has nothing to do with the human emotions of love and hate. It has everything to do with God choosing one man and his descendants and rejecting another man and his descendants. God chose Abraham out of all the men in the world. The Bible very well could say, “Abraham I loved, and every other man I hated.” God chose Abraham’s son Isaac instead of Abraham’s son Ishmael. The Bible very well could say, “Isaac I loved, and Ishmael I hated.” Romans chapter 9 makes it abundantly clear that loving Jacob and hating Esau was entirely related to which of them God chose. Hundreds of years after Jacob and Esau had died, the Israelites and Edomites became bitter enemies. The Edomites often aided Israel’s enemies in attacks on Israel. Esau’s descendants brought God’s curse upon themselves. Genesis 27:29 tells Israel, “May nations serve you and peoples bow down to you. Be lord over your brothers, and may the sons of your mother bow down to you. May those who curse you be cursed and those who bless you be blessed.”
Regarding the article above from Got Questions, ( I think God Questions would have been a nifty title.
), what happens to those not chosen by , they or their descendants, that are not God's elect?Why did God hate Esau? | Biblword.net
" Romans 9:13 Paul writes quoting Malachi 1:3: “As it is written, ‘Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated'”. So why did God hate Esau? The short answer is that we’re not told, and therefore we don’t know.
However, Paul’s point in Romans 9:6-29, is that God elects, or chooses, those whom He desires. Just because a person is a descendant of Israel (Jacob) doesn’t mean that they’re one of God’s people (Romans 9:6-7). Rather it is those who are “of the promise” (Romans 9:8) who are God’s children. Therefore, Isaac was one of God’s children, but Ishmael wasn’t. Similarly, with Jacob and Esau – God chose Jacob, but not Esau. And this was before they were born (Romans 9:11). Therefore, Jacob’s election and Esau’s rejection by God was not dependent on anything they did – rather it was God’s free sovereign choice. Paul unpacks this further in the rest of the chapter. However, the key principle is in Romans 9:15, 18:
For He [God] says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.”… So then He [God] has mercy on whomever He wills, and He hardens whomever He wills.""
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Regarding the article above from Got Questions, ( I think God Questions would have been a nifty title.
Why did God hate Esau? | Biblword.net
" Romans 9:13 Paul writes quoting Malachi 1:3: “As it is written, ‘Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated'”. So why did God hate Esau? The short answer is that we’re not told, and therefore we don’t know.
However, Paul’s point in Romans 9:6-29, is that God elects, or chooses, those whom He desires. Just because a person is a descendant of Israel (Jacob) doesn’t mean that they’re one of God’s people (Romans 9:6-7). Rather it is those who are “of the promise” (Romans 9:8) who are God’s children. Therefore, Isaac was one of God’s children, but Ishmael wasn’t. Similarly, with Jacob and Esau – God chose Jacob, but not Esau. And this was before they were born (Romans 9:11). Therefore, Jacob’s election and Esau’s rejection by God was not dependent on anything they did – rather it was God’s free sovereign choice. Paul unpacks this further in the rest of the chapter. However, the key principle is in Romans 9:15, 18:
For He [God] says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.”… So then He [God] has mercy on whomever He wills, and He hardens whomever He wills.""
It also says in Jeremiah "Before I formed you into the womb, I knew you."
John 6:70
Then Jesus replied, "Have I not chosen you, the Twelve? Yet one of you is a devil !"
God has a purpose for all things. He uses everything for his benefit.
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I chose to copy and paste from the site above because it was simply stated...
Esau was grieved and pleaded with God....
The biblical passage in question is a conversation between God and Cain, after Cain murdered his brother, Abel. God told Cain, "And now you are cursed from the ground, which has opened its mouth to receive your brother's blood from your hand. When you work the ground, it shall no longer yield to you its strength. You shall be a fugitive and a wanderer on the earth" (Genesis 4:11–12). The prospect of being alone and vulnerable frightened Cain, and he plead with God, saying, "My punishment is greater than I can bear. Behold, you have driven me today away from the ground, and from your face I shall be hidden. I shall be a fugitive and a wanderer on the earth, and whoever finds me will kill me" (Genesis 4:13–14). God then decided to put a mark on Cain that would indicate he was protected by God: "Then the Lord said to him, 'Not so! If anyone kills Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold.' And the Lord put a mark on Cain, lest any who found him should attack him" (Genesis 4:15–16).
Why would God put a mark on Esau to protect him?
I am none of the denominations of the world...simply just a child of God...who studies and searches out scripture with the help of the Holy Spirit.Are you Calvinist?
Regarding the article above from Got Questions, ( I think God Questions would have been a nifty title.
Why did God hate Esau? | Biblword.net
" Romans 9:13 Paul writes quoting Malachi 1:3: “As it is written, ‘Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated'”. So why did God hate Esau? The short answer is that we’re not told, and therefore we don’t know.
However, Paul’s point in Romans 9:6-29, is that God elects, or chooses, those whom He desires. Just because a person is a descendant of Israel (Jacob) doesn’t mean that they’re one of God’s people (Romans 9:6-7). Rather it is those who are “of the promise” (Romans 9:8) who are God’s children. Therefore, Isaac was one of God’s children, but Ishmael wasn’t. Similarly, with Jacob and Esau – God chose Jacob, but not Esau. And this was before they were born (Romans 9:11). Therefore, Jacob’s election and Esau’s rejection by God was not dependent on anything they did – rather it was God’s free sovereign choice. Paul unpacks this further in the rest of the chapter. However, the key principle is in Romans 9:15, 18:
For He [God] says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.”… So then He [God] has mercy on whomever He wills, and He hardens whomever He wills.""
I chose to copy and paste from the site above because it was simply stated...
Esau was grieved and pleaded with God....
The biblical passage in question is a conversation between God and Cain, after Cain murdered his brother, Abel. God told Cain, "And now you are cursed from the ground, which has opened its mouth to receive your brother's blood from your hand. When you work the ground, it shall no longer yield to you its strength. You shall be a fugitive and a wanderer on the earth" (Genesis 4:11–12). The prospect of being alone and vulnerable frightened Cain, and he plead with God, saying, "My punishment is greater than I can bear. Behold, you have driven me today away from the ground, and from your face I shall be hidden. I shall be a fugitive and a wanderer on the earth, and whoever finds me will kill me" (Genesis 4:13–14). God then decided to put a mark on Cain that would indicate he was protected by God: "Then the Lord said to him, 'Not so! If anyone kills Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold.' And the Lord put a mark on Cain, lest any who found him should attack him" (Genesis 4:15–16).
Why would God put a mark on Esau to protect him?
Protect him from being killed, and therein released from being a living example of God and his judgement and curse.
Wandering the earth as vagabond, unable to till the earth for his survival.
Did God ever lift that curse from Cain? Did God ever forgive Cain his sin?
No.Because Cain, even after that mark was placed upon him, as one cursed by God he never repented.
He was self absorbed even after the mark. When he, knowing why God cursed him, thought only of himself. Worried the mark, never described, would lead to his being murdered because of it.
Bible Gateway passage: Genesis 4 - New American Standard Bible
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