About the Signs of the Second Coming of Jesus

Stumpmaster said:

And yet the Beast and the False Prophet are in a different place from the Devil while he is in the bottomless pit prior to being loosed and subsequently also cast into the Lake of Fire where they are.

Rev 20:1-3 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. (2) And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, (3) And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

I know who needs to do more study . . .

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I'm good ,study the different names of satan you got 4 of them in the verse you gave me

Rev 20 :10 is just the different roles he plays

n2thelight said:

I'm good ,study the different names of satan you got 4 of them in the verse you gave me

Rev 20 :10 is just the different roles he plays

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Sock puppets . . . you're a laugh!

tsr said:

Now disasters are occurring frequently around the world. The signs of the second coming of Jesus have appeared. Clearly, the prophecies the Lord Jesus said 2,000 years ago have been fulfilled, like “And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, see, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood” (Revelation 6:12), and “For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places. All these are the beginning of sorrows” (Matthew 24:7–8). Facing frequent disasters, how can we welcome the Lord’s return and avoid missing the chance to reunite with the Lord? The following content will tell you the answer.

1. The Appearance of the plagues, War, Famine, and Earthquakes
2. Spiritual Famine
3. The Restoration of Israel
4. Visions Appeared in the Stars
5. The Gospel Spreads to the Ends of the Earth
6. The Appearance of False Christs and Antichrists

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Jesus said it an evil generation (unconverted mankind) that seeks after signs used to wonder or marvel after. Not coming to the end of faith as it is written. Prophecy is for the believer. No need to wonder.

Jesus when sharing the gospel with Nicodemus commanded him to marvel not. Knowing the heart of those who follow a signs and wonders gospel as in . Show me, work a miracle that we might see and then I will believe .They made Jesus into a circus seal in that way,

No sign was given to the last day. Simply the sign of the times same as in the time of Noah coruption doing it work as usaual

John 4:48Then said Jesus unto him, Except ye see signs and wonders, ye will not believe.

John 6:30 They said therefore unto him, What sign shewest thou then, that we may see, and believe thee? what dost thou work?

Jay Ross said:

As for being resurrected in a thousand years time, that is the case for all of humanity who are not part of the first resurrection as told in Rev. 20. So unless you are going to lose your head because of your faith, then according to Rev. 20 you will be resurrected with me, in the distant future and not in the near future. I believe that is the gist that Rev. 20 presents concerning the two resurrections and when they will occur. Pity about that misconception on your part.

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Why do you plan on remaining a dead soul? Jesus Christ has been the Resurrection of life, starting with Lazarus. The Resurrection has been ongoing and the soul has a permanent incorruptible body in Paradise. This body we have is a dead corruptible body. It is in need of a resurrection, not our soul.

Ronald David Bruno said:

It was post #14.
I just asked a simple question, forget about the context of your teaching, it is strictly about the Parable of the Ten Virgins itself
>> What does the oil symbolically represent?
5 virgins did not have it. Everyone needs it to get into heaven. ???

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Are the ten virgins the bride of Christ? The Olivet Discourse is about the Second Coming. Jesus Christ comes to earth. The church is one body, and is taken away prior. What is this kingdom though? Why ten separate bodies?

Waiting on him said:

You all have me very confused. Everyone keeps saying His second coming, though Scripture declares He’s already returned bodily, so are you all trying to say this future event would be His third coming?

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Jesus has not returned bodily. Scriptures prophecy about the bodily return. They do not state it has already happened. No one in the last 1991 years has declared the bodily return.

Jesus says if they do, do not listen to them. They are deceitful liars. God will declare the Second Coming. That is not left to humans to decide or bring about.

Christians are to be prepared that it could happen at any moment without warning.

Randy Kluth said:

We certainly have some agreement on that. On another note, are you unable to access bibleforums.org? I haven't been able to go there for a week now.

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I have not. That platform seems to have lost the software support after all the changes and dropping of old software systems this year, and last fall. CARM finally gave up and went to a different platform. They had used the same platform, but it crashed as well.

kcnalp said:

A very interesting conversation. Could God save everyone if He wanted to?

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The Atonement covered all off Adam's descendants. That is not the issue. God does not force universal salvation on Adam's descendants. The issue is humans are free to reject God. Yes, God allows humans universally to reject God, without reason.

It would be reasonable that all be saved. Except in human reasoning, all want to do it all by themselves. Pride is the destruction that hinders one from God's Atonement.

Timtofly said:

Are the ten virgins the bride of Christ? The Olivet Discourse is about the Second Coming. Jesus Christ comes to earth. The church is one body, and is taken away prior. What is this kingdom though? Why ten separate bodies?

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"Then the kingdom of heaven shall be likened to ten virgins who took their lamps and went out to meet the bridegroom. Now five of them were wise, and five were foolish. Those who were foolish took their lamps and took no oil with them, but the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps." Matt. 25:1-4
That is likened to how it works, who goes to heaven and who doesn't.
The oil is symbolic for the Holy Spirit. Those who are not born from above, who do not have the Holy Spirit dwelling in them, will not get to heaven.

n2thelight said:

God did chose certain people ,that's why they were found justified before the foundation of this world , they are the only ones without freewill

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Moses had free will and disobeyed God. He was rejected from the Promised Land. Did God force Moses to disobey God? Why would your view of God force people to disobey God? Was Adam elected to be forced to bring sin into the world. You contradict your own stance by removing free will from some humans.

n2thelight said:

Then when the twins, Jacob and Esau were still in their mother's womb, neither having had the chance of doing either good or evil, God called one of those unborn babies to service. This deals with the election according to the purpose of God in His Will.

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Yes, but this has nothing to do with humanity's election to Atonement. God did influence the historical revelation of His family that He would be born into.

n2thelight said:

So God made people that He knew He would kill ? Oh and no one will burn forever and ever , that's torture.

How do you reconcile that with the below

II Peter 3:9 "The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance."

How does one not want anyone to perish yet made some to perish anyway ?Do you hear how absurd that sounds ?

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So saying God is ignorant resolves the problem? God not willing that any should perish, made the Atonement for every single descendant of Adam. God knew some would reject God. Those who reject God are not going to be rewarded with eternal life. They recieve eternal damnation. God is not torturing them to recant. God says they will never change their minds and He knows all that. Eternal torment is eternal damnation.

All names were written down and sealed before Creation. The book has not been unsealed. No names can be added or removed. All names are already there. The souls are not there. Souls begin at conception and sealed by the Holy Spirit. The names of the souls were in the book of life before Creation. Free will is the ability to reject the Atonement, and break the seal of the Holy Spirit, to the point of being reprobate, and the spirit is dead along with the soul and body. At the GWT, names will be removed by choice of each soul.

Ronald David Bruno said:

"Then the kingdom of heaven shall be likened to ten virgins who took their lamps and went out to meet the bridegroom. Now five of them were wise, and five were foolish. Those who were foolish took their lamps and took no oil with them, but the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps." Matt. 25:1-4
That is likened to His it works, who goes to heaven and who doesn't.
The oil is symbolic for the Holy Spirit. Those who are not born from above, who do not have the Holy Spirit dwelling in them, will not get to heaven.

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It may be symbolic, but you think half of the church is lost? Half of today's church does not have the Holy Spirit, but think they do. Which half thinks they have it but do not? The most vocal ones?

Timtofly said:

I have not. That platform seems to have lost the software support after all the changes and dropping of old software systems this year, and last fall. CARM finally gave up and went to a different platform. They had used the same platform, but it crashed as well.

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Thanks for your input. I had contemplated assisting them in some way, but declined due to the weakness of the system itself. Fortunately, I've gone to a couple of other forums, including this one. I have a real need to express myself in spiritual/biblical matters. God bless!

Timtofly said:

It may be symbolic, but you think half of the church is lost?

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Didn't say that. I think most of the 2.65 billion Christians will be saved. That is 1/3 of the planet. Parables dont necessarily give real data. Parables don't mention specific details like names of people or specific numbers, they are just allegorical.
So symbolically the five virgins aren't Christians at all. But some may think they are as you say, but not as much as half of the church.

Gary Urban said:

No sign was given to the last day. Simply the sign of the times same as in the time of Noah coruption doing it work as usaual

John 4:48Then said Jesus unto him, Except ye see signs and wonders, ye will not believe.

John 6:30 They said therefore unto him, What sign shewest thou then, that we may see, and believe thee? what dost thou work?

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(To be "Blind and Dumb"...........is a sign in itself) (!) (dead flesh accusation)
(when everything is resolve in a few days, it will be easier, to come back later, and make corrective statements)

Dead Flesh Accusation (simplified/revelation)

666...Mark of the Beast (controversy, unified field, natural design homosapien)
1600...Furlongs (resisting genetic decay, if only on earth in accusation) (WITHOUT THE CITY OR WITHOUT GOD) (satan's work, in concealing the judgment)
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(Rev. 7:13.........the 144,000 is from God, but, its briefly called "satan", because God doesn't identify that measurement directly on EARTH)
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200,000,000 Harpies...Healing Mercies for Individuals (controversy)
7000 Vaccinations...Slain of Men (FALSE Healing Program) (satan's work, in concealing the judgment)
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1000 Year Kingdom...Signs on Earth or the Heavens, for the last generation, unified field propensities/incomplete for earth (controversy)
42 Gentile Kingdom... (Rev. 11:2, they are called a kingdom specifically) (satan's work, in concealing the judgment)

(The Answer is Covid-19 Develops into Rabies, or etc., a massive dying off)
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(God gave, adam and eve, clothing, the MARK OF THE BEAST.........but later on, in the suicide pleasure controversy, with cain and his brother god took that away..........with the Exodus, the serpent blessing was the MARK OF THE BEAST, but that was tooken away for suicide pleasure with the golden calf rebuke from God............in Joshua 7:21, "dead flesh accusation", god commanded the "ites" to be killed and they were (Joshua 12:8), the MARK OF THE BEAST was restored, but in the events of suicide pleasure with "saul", god later took that away, and that parallel the end of the first temple with david too)
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(IN THE NEW TESTAMENT, God stopped using this earth directly, so you can understand how the MARK OF THE BEAST, required more action from god, and this took the form of "SMALL WOMEN MIRACLES" (small things like women entering into the body to heal it)............because its man's accusation of dead flesh, a mental and functional illness, genetic decay from those genetic lines, is unprofitable for god........the judgment program is not designed to produce a handicapp people for the new universe, generations are not used, and die BLIND AND DUMB, foolishly in contending with..........(GOD answers by ROTTING THE BODY) (God talks about, small women miracles, in Zechariah 5, but it wasn't until the new testament, that jesus actually began the trend, that the sons of man in the new testament would be blessed to perform or etc.)
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(God's Cyclical Behavior...God said with Moses, that regardless of mankind's standing in the gospel's tables, it will be a memorial of his intended mercies............then Moses measured a jubilee for the lord:::::::::

1. Jubilee Value = 49 Years ===== 12/21/2012 to Halley's Comet 2061 A.D.
2. Jubilee Value = 50 Years ===== (1994) Sirius Sun Proximity Cycles

Jesus Corrected that to, "40 days/years" ........... then God would no longer give mankind the benefit of a judgement or mercy (this was or is called the 1000 Year Kingdom)

The End of Time or the 1000 Year Kingdom, REACHES the same Value, so that after "1290+1335" Days of Daniel Expires, then 40 Years Begins, the Events of Revelation, APPROXIMATELY from Missing Flight 370 to, 5/15...5/21 of 2021.
(remember when the Great Conjunction of Jupiter 12/21/2020, approximately on the December Solstice Took Place that was an Amazing 153 Day marker, paralleling the possible true event 150 days later)
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"The Sign of the Lord's Coming (rotting bones/bodies of ezekiel, ensign of nations of isaiah, both really)"

The Measurements of Revelation, most of them, are not "time frame", or "end of time length" measurements. They are real measurements that refer to other things. ................ what I meant to say is this:

God's Declarative Will highlighted by the Old Testament...............is god's blessing for the lack of judgment and mercy, that identifies with the projection of "human dirth charge/dead flesh/genetic lines" that result out of generations of sinful activities, that doesn't seem to kill all of humanity, its an accusation god will just not use any generations of man specifically, more then individuals for the new earth

God's Permissive Will highlighted by the New Testament...............is god's blessing for a judgment or mercy, with the gospel's tables, that exceeds man's unclean accusation, and of dead flesh............this is not payment for sin (BLASPHEMY OF THE HOLY GHOST/SPIRIT), but god is merciful and judging.........this is a call to the faithful and a reminder of man's responsibility being created in god's image for the judgment program

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1. Planet Earth and Man's Accusation of Suicide Pleasure with God
2. Planet Jupiter and OFF WORLD, Son of Man as a Picture of the Messiah, and the Healed church as a picture of the Messiah's Body

(In Reality) (Statement)

1. (God's Actions Prior to the final cycle, or the Second Coming, has benefited humanity in the sense, that most of the unclean genetic lines are gathered in the old testament bible belt, from india to isreal, and its good to see them die 1 to 2 billion..........the cyclical behavior with the unified field, relative to a jubilee, is good, but the more of them that die the less overall suffering on earth...........furthermore, its an impossibility to do this or that without using euthanasia of those unclean genetic lines.............if they don't all die quickly, it will be done following god's provision, then we can move past that, in a profitable way, even if humanity falls short in its suicide pleasure its not important, people benefit, individuals are saved, humanity can fall short)

(for many years from terrorism, to ethnic crisis, that is those genetic lines acting out the sudden death god allowed moses to perform by calling down fire, possibly ordained to do that again, as it is necessary)

(otherwise, just euthanasia of political groupings, and some gathering of the people would have to be the only systematic answer, the son of man would provide, we'll have to see very soon, euthanasia 100 percent of the time in the gospel's law is absolutely necessary, in dealing with suicide pleasure, that and euthanasia of the jews, and minorities specifically for the benefit of the people)

2. (Portals...and...Non-Specific Transportation by the Son of Man, to other places off world, the phrase "inner earth" or generations past, is a conflict of testimony, assuming the son of man needs either earth energy or to deal with humanity's chakra (in rebuking suicide pleasure those position fell out of favor over time)...................people principally from a few nations will be healed and principally benefited, then, there is a natural trial and loss of live that will have to be dealth with the 200,000,000 is just padding for the son of man to help the process, of man identifying with its accusation, and also on earth (as suffering and loss of life on earth will increase) (then that is it, after the son of man exhausts god's mercies on the matter, only little things can be done, it may or may not be possible to restablish portals or etc) (if that is the case) (everything will begin to be resolved soon)

(remember satan in its suicide pleasure will delete history and re-write it very quickly..............but I will say, "200,000,000" is a very big number, designed to at least give the son of man global position with god's mercies, to help slow down corruption of that, and for a longer benefit.............when Edward Leedskalnin exhausted god's mercies, it may not of been enough to have a sound footprint with more then one or so places anyway, but the trial involved in that , once things were exhausted, those people in that day, and this is common historically, just wrote things off and gave up, decided to cut into the earth, for a easier, but fell into sin controversies with dead flesh)

Timtofly said:

Why do you plan on remaining a dead soul? Jesus Christ has been the Resurrection of life, starting with Lazarus. The Resurrection has been ongoing and the soul has a permanent incorruptible body in Paradise. This body we have is a dead corruptible body. It is in need of a resurrection, not our soul.

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It seems to me that you have not understood the point I was making when quoting the relevant scriptures.

It seems that you have decided what your theological understanding should be and want to force it onto others on this forum whether or not it is consistent with scripture.

Have a good day sir.

Timtofly said:

Christians are to be prepared that it could happen at any moment without warning.

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What will be unexpected is the soon to happen; Sixth Seal worldwide disaster.

The glorious Return won't be unexpected, as anyone with a Bible will know to count 1260 days from the day the Temple is desecrated.

Timtofly said:

Jesus has not returned bodily. Scriptures prophecy about the bodily return. They do not state it has already happened. No one in the last 1991 years has declared the bodily return.

Jesus says if they do, do not listen to them. They are deceitful liars. God will declare the Second Coming. That is not left to humans to decide or bring about.

Christians are to be prepared that it could happen at any moment without warning.

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So your prepared to deny we are the body of Christ.

solway said:

(To be "Blind and Dumb"...........is a sign in itself) (!) (dead flesh accusation)
(when everything is resolve in a few days, it will be easier, to come back later, and make corrective statements)

Dead Flesh Accusation (simplified/revelation)

666...Mark of the Beast (controversy, unified field, natural design homosapien)
1600...Furlongs (resisting genetic decay, if only on earth in accusation) (WITHOUT THE CITY OR WITHOUT GOD) (satan's work, in concealing the judgment)

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Luke 11:29 And when the people were gathered thick together, he began to say, This is an evil generation: they seek a sign; and there shall no sign be given it, but the sign of Jonas the prophet.
(no sign be given it)

That kind of idea does not change the commandment. No sign was given to wonder after or look foward to rather than walking by faith (the unseen) . Its an evil generation that makes Jesus into a circus seal seeking after lying wonders .

Its what wondering does prevent a person from coming to the end of faith, the power by which believers receive from the beginning ..Big difference between a sign of the times and a sign designed by the father of lies to wonder after.Wondering is not exerciseing faith .Its wondering with all power of deceit. . no end faith .

2 Thessalonians 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

Believing or exercising faith is believing .Satan would have mankind belive its all one and the same. Just keep wondering .Like the lying wonder of purgatory no end to that faithless doctrine .

This includes your idea of the mark of Cain natural unconverted mankind (666) the foundation of that doctrine is found in Genesis 4 it was no mystery to John to be sought after as something to wonder about when it was revealed.

Learn how to walk by faith leaving the wondering to those who have no faith .

Jesus as the Son of God is here reigning why look for the Son of man to come if Christ works from within? God is not a man .

John 6:30 They said therefore unto him, What sign shewest thou then, that we may see, and believe thee? what dost thou work?