The Chastening that comes from God

marks · Apr 29, 2021

God has promised to make His people to be like Jesus.

Romans 8:28-29 KJV
28) And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
29) For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

Predestination = prohoridzo = advance boundries = God set bounderies in our lives from the beginning to make certain His people will be conformed to the image of Christ, our Brother.

This describes one of those bounderies, God's discipline.

Hebrews 12:5-11 KJV
5) And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:
6) For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
7) If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
8) But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.
9) Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?
10) For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness.
11) Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.

Chastening is from a word that means to train as you train a child. The idea is to train us in discipline, from unruly children, to chaste and circumspect maturity.

Chastening does not seem joyous - so we're talking about just what it sounds like, getting spanked.

This is one of God's exceedingly great and precious promises.

He will discipline us. If you are His child, He will chasten you as needed.

His chastening is effective. "But He for our profit."

The result is assured. Afterward, the peaceable fruits of righteousness.

Considering that God will chasten as needed, and that His chastening works for our good. Considering that God's chastening produces the fruits of righteousness in us, I'm wondering,

How far off the reservation are you thinking you might go before God brings you back?

I hope not too far! It seems the futher I slide, the rougher the discipline to correct me.

What I've learned about God's chastening? I love Him for it!!!

Much love!

Hidden In Him · Apr 29, 2021

marks said:
Hebrews 12:5-11 KJV
5) And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:
6) For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
7) If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
8) But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.
9) Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?
10) For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness.
11) Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.

Glorious!

Actually Mark, I think His chastening comes also in the form of sufferings, since the previous verses speak of them not yet resisting sin unto blood:

1 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us, 2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God. 3 For consider him that endured such contradiction of sinners against himself, lest ye be wearied and faint in your minds. 4 Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin. 5 And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him...

With opposing sin there comes chastisement, administered by men but allowed by God, the Father who allows us to be disciplined by circumstances so that we may be increasingly purified and refined. It's a wonderful passage, and speaks to how much He loves us that He does not leave us in sin but uses persecution and affliction to bring us into ever increasing holiness and purity.

Your thoughts?

Blessings to you this wonderful evening, btw. Always enjoy discussing the word with you, and thanks for posting something scripture-based.

Hidden

Hidden In Him · Apr 29, 2021

marks said:
He will discipline us. If you are His child, He will chasten you as needed.

His chastening is effective. "But He for our profit."

The result is assured. Afterward, the peaceable fruits of righteousness.

Mark, let me say this also:

There has been much talk at the forum about God being "both Mother and Father," which as strange as that sounds is actually put forth seriously. Part of the problem there is when it comes to issues like the discipline of God...

Discipline of children - godly discipline, but discipline nonetheless - is something that generally comes more natural to men than women. Many women try to "talk" or persuade their disobeying children into doing something, hoping they will listen to reason. Most men take a different approach and simply correct the child by some form of chastisement or discipline. This approach is hated by the world now, but then the reason is because the world is being trained and brainwashed into hating God and hating His word, so they hate the entire concept of Paternal chastisement. But this is a reflection of how they actually feel about God, whether they realize it or not, and this business of vilifying the masculine and Paternal side of God ends up bearing the fruit of sin and death, not the "peaceable fruits of righteousness" that He intends for those who truly love Him.

marks · Apr 29, 2021

Hidden In Him said:
Actually Mark, I think His chastening comes also in the form of sufferings, since the previous verses speak of them not yet resisting sin unto blood:

I'm out of time, can't wait to be back tomorrow!

Yes, absolutely. Consequences from our sins, in my case, a major bit of spiritual work was done through a severe health season, lots of pain, lots of fear, but I met God there more than I had ever imagined.

Much love!

Hidden In Him · Apr 29, 2021

marks said:
I'm out of time, can't wait to be back tomorrow!

Yes, absolutely. Consequences from our sins, in my case, a major bit of spiritual work was done through a severe health season, lots of pain, lots of fear, but I met God there more than I had ever imagined.

Much love!

Praise God for you, man.

Make sure you tag me tomorrow. Looking forward to it as well.

amigo de christo · Apr 29, 2021

Hidden In Him said:
Glorious!

Actually Mark, I think His chastening comes also in the form of sufferings, since the previous verses speak of them not yet resisting sin unto blood:

1 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us, 2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God. 3 For consider him that endured such contradiction of sinners against himself, lest ye be wearied and faint in your minds. 4 Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin. 5 And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him...

With opposing sin there comes chastisement, administered by men but allowed by God, the Father who allows us to be disciplined by circumstances so that we may be increasingly purified and refined. It's a wonderful passage, and speaks to how much He loves us that He does not leave us in sin but uses persecution and affliction to bring us into ever increasing holiness and purity.

Your thoughts?

Blessings to you this wonderful evening, btw. Always enjoy discussing the word with you, and thanks for posting something scripture-based.

Hidden

This also . For all who live godly in Christ shall suffer persecution .

Hidden In Him · Apr 29, 2021

amigo de christo said:
This also . For all who live godly in Christ shall suffer persecution .

Yes, and I think that is going to increase as we progress into the end-times now. There was a time when maybe persecution wasn't that great within Western nations. But was it really the best thing for us, or did it just make us apathetic to sin instead of getting it out of our lives? I think the coming chastisements will purify the church, until she eventually becomes the spotless bride she was intended to be.

amigo de christo · Apr 29, 2021

Hidden In Him said:
Yes, and I think that is going to increase as we progress into the end-times now. There was a time when maybe persecution wasn't that great within Western nations. But was it really the best thing for us, or did it just make us apathetic to sin instead of getting it out of our lives? I think the coming chastisements will purify the church, until she eventually becomes the spotless bride she was intended to be.

Be zealous and repent , for all whom God loves He does chasten and scourge .
The call i counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire is at the door .
That one church was heavily persecuted , very poor according to money , Yet GOD CALLS IT RICH
BUT the laodicean church was just the opposite and God calls it wretched , POOR blind and naked .
Well chastisments are a coming . Be zealous and repent . Many will continue to fall away
but at least some might repent . No matter what comes against us , GOD will always work it together for good .
BUT ONLY UNTO THOSE WHO LOVE HIM . Be zealous and repent is the call being made .
And let the lambs also embrace the cost .
Through years of grace , i have come to the understanding
that to follow Christ in these days , is gonna cost the lambs the loss of everything , in prisonments and even death .
AND I SEE THE COST as ONLY GAIN . TO THE LORD BE ALL GLORY .
Yet many follow a serve ME ME image of GOD and will not be ready nor willing to suffer any kind of loss .
Oh but praise the KING , if the cost is everything and even our life , WE WIN . PRAISE THE LORD .
The lambs have ALL HOPE . Because JESUS IS OUR HOPE . SING TO THE LORD my FRIEND . SING , i say , UNTO THE LORD .

amigo de christo · Apr 29, 2021

LET THE LORD BE PRAISED .

marks · Apr 30, 2021

Hidden In Him said:
Actually Mark, I think His chastening comes also in the form of sufferings, since the previous verses speak of them not yet resisting sin unto blood:

Hi Hidden,

I think of this a lot in connection with,

1 Corinthians 10:13 KJV
There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.

This "way to escape", the way it's worded here, speaks of a certain way for that certain temptation. The word itself is used for "a save haven out of the sea, from a storm".

God let's storms into our lives, know that they will accomplish a certain thing in us, cause us to move in a certain direction. And if we resist that direction, I think our circumstances can get more dire, until we are corrected.

I look at all of our afflictions being wrapped up in this.

Another place I think of, He that restrains the mystery working of lawlessness. Since only that which works for our good is allowed into our lives, this much mean God restrains any evil thing that will not work for our good.

Tests we pass show the reality of Christ in our lives.
Tests we fail, that is, tempations to which we respond with sin, are when we are not willing to endure affliction or difficulty with patience. And God may lead us into greater and greater afflictions until He breaks us down, if needed. And once He's done, the peaceable fruits of righteousness.

I'm finding a difficult time trying to put into words here what I want to say.

I've undergone some severe afflictions over the past several years, with both physical and mental illness, and through it, watches as God has transformed me through them. The afflictions have been profound, but the results more so.

And while I still feel trepidation over the possibility of chastening to come, I know that they WORK.

I was triggered in anxiety/depression last weekend. For the next 3 days, I was in a total tailspin. It was bad! Wednesday started to get better. Monday and Tuesday were like living in a nightmare. Looking back from today, it was a shadowy dark time that literally seems now like some horrible dream I've woken from. Essentially it was the feeling of fear of past misdeeds producing terrible current consequences. The guilty flee when no one pursues!

But I see the connections inside me, how, the triggering event was towards something I am avoiding, but remains a risk area for me. The verse that comes to mind,

"Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord"

I take it as a warning shot to pay attention, and keep that door shut! Better the terror than the consequences!!

Monday driving home I was listening to Alistair Begg, teaching on chastisement. Talking about the ways God chastises us. It just added to my my feelings of fear.

The next day, he was completing his message. One thing I grabbed tightly to, he said, "but God isn't some evil tyrant, He's our loving Father. If you have the right heart towards Him, that's what He wants".

I can compare in my heart now to last week, and see how He's tucked me back into a more humble and trusting stance.

From "Jesus is Coming Soon",

"Troublesome times are here, filling men's hearts with fear
Freedom we all hold dear now is at stake
Humbling your hearts to God saves from the chastening rod
Seek the way pilgrims trod, Christians awake

Jesus is coming soon, morning or night or noon
Many will meet their doom, trumpets will sound
All of the dead shall rise, righteous meet in the skies
Going where no one dies, heavenward bound"

Much love!

amadeus · Apr 30, 2021

@marks And what happens to a son who refuses to endure the chastening of God?

"For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons." Heb 12:6-8

How would you relate this to your OP?

marks · Apr 30, 2021

amadeus said:
@marks And what happens to a son who refuses to endure the chastening of God?

"For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons." Heb 12:6-8

How would you relate this to your OP?

If you don't endure chastening, you are not His son.

But if you are His son, you WILL be chastened as needed, and it WILL be effective.

The son has no choice but to endure chastening, because God appoints it to them. No one who is not God's son has to endure His chastening. They are not sons.

If you think to refuse to endure the chastening from God, that doesn't mean God is going to stop chastening you. He will continue, BECAUSE you are His son, and His chastening will at the end be effective.

The son who refuses to endure chastening? They are fooling themself, thinking that God is going to leave to their disobedience.

Hebrews 12:10-11 KJV
10) For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness.
11) Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.

It just does!

Much love!

amadeus · May 1, 2021

marks said:
If you don't endure chastening, you are not His son.

But if you are His son, you WILL be chastened as needed, and it WILL be effective.

The son has no choice but to endure chastening, because God appoints it to them. No one who is not God's son has to endure His chastening. They are not sons.

If you think to refuse to endure the chastening from God, that doesn't mean God is going to stop chastening you. He will continue, BECAUSE you are His son, and His chastening will at the end be effective.

The son who refuses to endure chastening? They are fooling themself, thinking that God is going to leave to their disobedience.

Hebrews 12:10-11 KJV
10) For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness.
11) Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.

It just does!

Much love!

Are there any prodigal sons who do not return home to their Father?

Does God hold anyone in place against their will? Even when we have heard God's s call are we really unable to take our eyes off of Him and sink beneath the waters or go the way of the anointed King Saul of Israel? Is God a respecter of persons?

Is not the important thing to truly love God more than all of the other things which might attract our attention?

Hidden In Him · May 1, 2021

marks said:
I was triggered in anxiety/depression last weekend. For the next 3 days, I was in a total tailspin. It was bad! Wednesday started to get better. Monday and Tuesday were like living in a nightmare.

Wow, Mark. I'm sorry to hear you had to go through this in a way. I think it ministers to share these things, btw. I've been through some mild stuff, but compared to what this sounds like it seems like nothing.

marks said:
The next day, he was completing his message. One thing I grabbed tightly to, he said, "but God isn't some evil tyrant, He's our loving Father. If you have the right heart towards Him, that's what He wants".

Yes, and that's the part that must be understood. Fr the Potter to make a piece of clay into something beautiful, He has to work the lumps out of it. In order for a goldsmith to purify the gold, he has to burn away the impurities. In order for a Father to bring about godly character in his son, he must administer discipline.

The list goes on, but the Lord is only trying to do a good work in us, and that work often involves removing that which is bad (or unhelpful or unbeneficial) and replacing it with that which is good.

marks · May 1, 2021

amadeus said:
Are there any prodigal sons who do not return home to their Father?

Does God hold anyone in place against their will? Even when we have heard God's s call are we really unable to take our eyes off of Him and sink beneath the waters or go the way of the anointed King Saul of Israel? Is God a respecter of persons?

Is not the important thing to truly love God more than all of the other things which might attract our attention?

All I can say is what the Scripture says.

This is His promise.

Much love!

marks · May 1, 2021

Hidden In Him said:
Wow, Mark. I'm sorry to hear you had to go through this in a way. I think it ministers to share these things, btw. I've been through some mild stuff, but compared to what this sounds like it seems like nothing.

Then I have stories that will curl your hair!

Hidden In Him · May 1, 2021

marks said:
Then I have stories that will curl your hair!

Sorry, I don't want my hair curled tonight. Maybe when I'm feeling sporty I'll let you know, LoL.

marks · May 1, 2021

Hidden In Him said:
Sorry, I don't want my hair curled tonight. Maybe when I'm feeling sporty I'll let you know, LoL.

LOL!!!

amadeus · May 2, 2021

marks said:
All I can say is what the Scripture says.

This is His promise.

Much love!

Lots of people read or hear the Scripture without hearing His voice. Are you one of his sheep hearing Him but not hearing strangers?

"To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out.
And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice.
And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers." John 10:3-5

Remember that Satan quoted scriptures to Jesus, but Jesus would not heed the voice of a stranger!

marks · May 3, 2021

amadeus said:
Lots of people read or hear the Scripture without hearing His voice. Are you one of his sheep hearing Him but not hearing strangers?

"To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out.
And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice.
And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers." John 10:3-5

Remember that Satan quoted scriptures to Jesus, but Jesus would not heed the voice of a stranger!

Do you wonder about the efficacy of God's discipline? I think He knows us, and knows what works for us. I think He's committed to our safekeeping, and to making our lives the most fruitful they can be.

I believe that He trains us as children, IF we are His children, and that His training isn't for nothing, it does produce in us the fruits of righteousness. Not righteousness itself, we have already received that from Jesus. The fruits of righteousness.

Much love!

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