Rapture, Will There Be One?

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Hi, I'm new to this site!
Howdy!
I am an ordained minister, I've been so since1985.
No disrespect intended but what exactly does that mean?
I do definately believe that there will be a rapture!
And little children believe in Santa, the Easter bunny, and the Great Pumpkin.
There actually already has been one. When Jesus was resurected, the Word of God tells us that, the graves where opened and the Old Testament Saints got up and walked around. If these were only spirits, as some people believed, why where the graves opened? Interesting huh?
Matthew 27:50-53.Certainly you don't believe that this is representative of a "secret rapture" where Christ comes "secretly" and takes away the "church" before hard times hit do you?
The Word also refers to us having to be taken away so that the Anti-Christ can have reign!
And yet, nary one scriptural reference offered as proof text. Now that's interesting! 2 Thessalonians 2:7For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.The "spirit" of anti-christ was already at work in Paul's day, "only He who now letteth...." refers to God the Father allowing the work of the "anti-christ" spirit to fester "until he be taken out of the way."So it is the "mystery of lawlessness" that must be taken out of the way, not Christians.God always saves through tribulation, not from it.
If we were not removed we would have power over him!
In the state you're in now you have no power in you outside of the Power of Jesus Christ. You can do nothing apart from Him.
So he would not be able to do all that he needs to do!Bro.Jody
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Jody in your studies to be ordained were you taught to use tools to determine what the oringal languages were and their meaning... the word in 2Thess. you are refering to as being "met in the air" is meant in the Greek, the "body of the breath" or our spiritual bodies....Your false teachings of Rapture are dangerous tools of Satan...your on the "foolish virgin" side as it stands.... I suggest you get some real study under your belt finally and read the study provided at the top of the site. http://www.christianityboard.com/?page=rapture
 

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I also say that our flesh and blood can not inherit the kingdom of God. Neither can our flesh can not inherit spiritual. (incorruption)I Corinthians 15:50 - Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.Lovest ye in Christ Jesus our Lord and Saviour.
 

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Howdy! No disrespect intended but what exactly does that mean?And little children believe in Santa, the Easter bunny, and the Great Pumpkin. Matthew 27:50-53.Certainly you don't believe that this is representative of a "secret rapture" where Christ comes "secretly" and takes away the "church" before hard times hit do you? And yet, nary one scriptural reference offered as proof text. Now that's interesting! 2 Thessalonians 2:7For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.The "spirit" of anti-christ was already at work in Paul's day, "only He who now letteth...." refers to God the Father allowing the work of the "anti-christ" spirit to fester "until he be taken out of the way."So it is the "mystery of lawlessness" that must be taken out of the way, not Christians.God always saves through tribulation, not from it.In the state you're in now you have no power in you outside of the Power of Jesus Christ. You can do nothing apart from Him. Huh?
Very Interesting perspective but I look forward to being raptured, you can be left behind if you want to but I don't!Concerning Ordination, I was first Ordained by Jesus' calling to me to preach His word. Then I was Ordained by Word of Life School of Ministry, Then by my current Church were I minister.The reasoning behind it was just to let people know that just because I'm a newbie doesn't mean that I am ignorant.That's All!
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Again I respectfully ask what are you basing your beliefs on the rapture is not in Gods word it is a teaching/therory of men. So are you saying you are minister that teaches mens words over Gods?
 

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Yes I am a Minister,Every thing that I have studied and read still leads me to believe that Jesus is coming to take up His Church in the twinkling of an eye. I do sincerly hope that you are wrong. But tell me what real harm is there in believing that Jesus is going to take us to Heaven.
 

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But tell me what real harm is there in believing that Jesus is going to take us to Heaven.
Because it teaches that there is a 7 year period where those that are supposedly left behind have a "second chance" to repent and choose the Lord. That is completely against what scripture teaches.Joshua 24:15And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.The wicked were "taken" by the flood. So shall it be when the Son of Man returns. The "rapture" is in direct opposition to what scripture clearly says:Matthew 24:37-3937 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, 39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.Those taken were not the "righteous." They were inside the ark. It's the righteous that were "left behind" not the other way around. The wicked were taken. They were the ones on the outside of the ark, partying and having a good time. The "rapture" is false doctrine. If you took the time to study the subject better you'd learn that it is straight from Satan himself.Rapture Truth
 

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Yes I am a Minister,Every thing that I have studied and read still leads me to believe that Jesus is coming to take up His Church in the twinkling of an eye. I do sincerly hope that you are wrong. But tell me what real harm is there in believing that Jesus is going to take us to Heaven.
Because it fails to prepare people for what is to come it fails to teach them that antichrist comes First claiming to be Christ. You are not preparing his sheep for the wolf so to speak Christ does not come till the seventh Trump. Antichrist comes first with deception and lies if he says Im going to rapture you away will you believe him? Of course that's what your lies of men have taught you to believe you are setting yourself and your flock up to lose their very salvation by teaching what God is against Ez 13:20 and never teaches. There is great harm in teaching rapture fly away doctrine. I say whats the harm in teaching scripture that antichrist is coming first claiming to be christ and if you get raptured away fine but if not you have taught your sheep what to expect
 

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There is no way that you could prepare enough to live through the horrible tribulations to come. Ask anyone that is being truly persecuted for Christ today if there was any thing that they could have studied to prepare themselves for such pesecution. They would only say, I have every thing I need. I have Jesus! The Holy Spirit is the only one that can prepare you for such things!
 

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So basically you would follow men rather than Gods word. Do you think he told us what would happen for no reason. He doesn't speak of Rapture in scripture. It is a theory devised by men. Any one who calls themselves a minister and prefers mans word over Gods word Will be first Judged. God sent you a letter in his word. If you do not heed it he will be saying I never knew you. This site has many bible students that know scripture well. We may debate certain issues amongst ourselves But we all know what is NOT THERE.Many of us well realize it is feel good ministers that just want to teach the milk of Gods word that has hurt the church. We were warned it would be this way. If you have chosen to be part of that group.Remember well the Sadducee's and the Pharisees as this is an example of today's ministry. There is nothing new under the sun God has foretold us all things to bad you choose to ignore it and follow Theories and men.I give you fair warning, your milk toast feel good doctrine will be challenged by our very Biblical knowledged membersThe fact you do not have enough faith to believe that God will protect us through the tribulation so that you must believe/teach some false fly away doctrine is ashamed. Have you ever read the old testament? Did Daniel in the furnace get flown away? Did God protect the Hebrews in the desert?Rapture is a Theory devised by men for the weak of faith.
 

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There is no way that you could prepare enough to live through the horrible tribulations to come. Ask anyone that is being truly persecuted for Christ today if there was any thing that they could have studied to prepare themselves for such pesecution. They would only say, I have every thing I need. I have Jesus! The Holy Spirit is the only one that can prepare you for such things!
If we are true followers and serving Jesus on a daily basis, we are well prepared in any situation. It is promise of God.
 

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So true faithful it is to bad ministers today do not have enough faith to teach this simple truth.
 

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Acts 3:21 says that Jesus must remain in heaven until it is time for Him to restore everything. Which I see happening at the end of the Daniel’s Seventy Weeks. So, how does He get out of heaven before the tribulation period to rapture the Church?” Acts 3:21 "Whom the heaven must receive unto the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all His holy prophets since the world began." Christ must remain in heaven until the times of restitution of all things. The "restitution of all things" is "Apokatastasis" in the Greek, and means the re-establishment of all things from a state of ruin. All the prophets have talked of this time of the Millennium since this world age begin. QuestionIs there any Scripture or verses or passages in Scripture that place the return of Christ before either the appearing of the Antichrist, the tribulation period or the Great Tribulation?
 

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Is there any Scripture or verses or passages in Scripture that place the return of Christ before either the appearing of the Antichrist, the tribulation period or the Great Tribulation?
I don't mean to splush wather on you at all but all we can do is use our over all discernment by reading the Bible. It seems that everone has their own way of understanding the Scriptures. We have to wait Jesus' judgment of our understanding. All we say will be judged by Him especially concerning the Scriptures.my two cents:)
 

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There is no way that you could prepare enough to live through the horrible tribulations to come. Ask anyone that is being truly persecuted for Christ today if there was any thing that they could have studied to prepare themselves for such pesecution. They would only say, I have every thing I need. I have Jesus! The Holy Spirit is the only one that can prepare you for such things!
If you are teaching rapture you are teaching something a 15 year old girl dreamed in the late 1800's an thold in her charasmatic chruch before then it did not exist.... and you are preparing people to expect Christ before satan comes... you are playing into satan's plan... you are setting people up to be fooled by satan who is not coming in the way you are teaching either... Daniel 8:24 he shall destroy wonderfully.... He is coming not as satan but as a false christ, he'll be doing miracles andeven in his coming he has this fake rainbow and he's on a white horse... Jody you are doing to lead your congregation straight into his arms... and YOU will be the one judged for it..HOw am I prepared? by KNOWING the whole Word, and that 6 comes before 7 every time... God made it so clear Christ comes at the LAST trump and there are 7 of them. You think Satan is so stupid... well he's got you signed ,sealed and almost delivered up already for you are believing his lies....
 

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Hello Betchevy: Didn't God also make it clear that all that is written in the Revelation concerns those things which were to SHORTLY take place in John's day? (Rev. 1:1; 22:6). Was not the time then AT HAND? (Rev. 1:3).These time indicators are very significant and must not be overlooked if we are to get a proper understanding of the Revelation!JesusReigns
 

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Hello Betchevy: Didn't God also make it clear that all that is written in the Revelation concerns those things which were to SHORTLY take place in John's day? (Rev. 1:1; 22:6). Was not the time then AT HAND? (Rev. 1:3).These time indicators are very significant and must not be overlooked if we are to get a proper understanding of the Revelation!JesusReigns
Our time and God's time is signifinicantly different. You should know that prophets who were prophesying did not know exactly what they were prophesying. What we should be doing is to be obedient and loyal to Jesus' teachings by reading and following the Scripture on daily basis. Then we have nothing to worry about: Our salvation rely on our faithfulness until the end.
 

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Our time and God's time is signifinicantly different. You should know that prophets who were prophesying did not know exactly what they were prophesying. What we should be doing is to be obedient and loyal to Jesus' teachings by reading and following the Scripture on daily basis. Then we have nothing to worry about: Our salvation rely on our faithfulness until the end.
Faithful1: But God communicates to us with time indicators that we can understand. God is outside the realms of time, but we are not. When He uses time words, He means for us to understand them as we are meant to understand time--as He created it!When He says "at hand," He means "at hand!"When He says "near," He means "near!"When He says "shortly," He means "shortly!"Does God say one thing but mean another? He has placed us within the confinements of time which He created. He speaks to us in terms consistent with the realm in which we live even though He is not bound by it.These simple time references only cause problems for many because they cannot reconcile them to their understanding of the timing of events. That has led to the ignoring of or redefining of these time indicators, and subsequently and sadly, to misinterpretations.JesusReigns
 

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JR,Would you show me the example what you are saying from the Bible?
1. "The COMING of the Lord is AT HAND" (James 5:8).2. ". . . to show His servants--things which must SHORTLY take place" (Rev. 1:1; 22:6)3. "The Kingdom of God/Heaven is AT HAND" (Mat. 3:2; 4:17; Mk. 1:15; 4. "The Lord is NEAR" (Phil. 4:5).5. "It is already the hour for you to awaken from sleep; for now salvation is NEARER to us than when we believed. The night is gone, and the day is AT HAND" (Rom. 13:11-12).6. "For yet in a very LITTLE WHILE, He who is coming will COME, and WILL NOT DELAY" (Heb. 10:37).7. "The end of all things is AT HAND" (1 Peter. 4:7)8. "The time is NEAR" (Rev. 1:3).9. "Behold, I am coming QUICKLY" (Rev. 22:7, 12, 20).10. "Do not seal up the words of the prophecy of this book, for the time is NEAR" (Rev. 22:10; compare Dan. 8:26).JesusReigns
 
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