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"But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required : and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more." Luke 12:48

Those who live in the United States are blessed by God more than those living in most other countries. We have Bibles available online [and access to computers on which to view them], and Bibles available in the new and used bookstores, and Bibles available in the libraries. If we want to own a Bible and do not have money to spare, almost any community has church groups that will give them one without charge.

We also have a mutitude of church organizations teaching nearly every conceivable intrepretation of the Bible. We have schools mandated to provide education to every child [in spite much of it being probably mostly on the secular side these days].

Among us here in this country who are so richly blessed there are, of course, great differences in the blessings available to different people for different reasons. Some of the reasons are racial. Some of the reasons are due to accidentally being born in better circumstances materially or even spiritually than others. For example, some are born to parents who already are serving God in some measure, while others are born to parents who are very outspoken atheists.

Without even considering all of these differences among us here in these United States, there are still more and/or greater opportunities here than those that exist in most other countries in the world. We have more freedom to worship God in the right way or even in the wrong way [wrong according to God] than exist in most other places in the world; or even not to worship Him at all.

Yes, we are blessed, but our blessings lay upon each of us a greater responsibility in our own walk with God than is laid upon those who are less fortunate than us in their opportunities.

Having considered all of the blessings I have mentioned and those also that I have not mentioned, let us look again at the verse I quoted at the start of the OP:

"But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required : and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more." Luke 12:48

Considering our blessings by etiher being born in the United States or of having immigrated to the United States [legally or not], and the enboldened portion of the cited verse, what should we suppose that God would expect from us?

In the Christian underground of mainland China [and in many other countries] people are literally risking their lives to serve the God we may here so serve without much fear of physical punishment. Would any of us be willing to do the same if we were presented such a choice as the Chinese Christians [and others], instead of being so blessed as to be residents of the United States?

Many may want to jump up and say I would not deny the Lord , no matter what. Isn't this what the apostles following Jesus also proclaimed before He was taken away? When He was taken away, where were they? When and if our comparitive physical safety were taken away from us, would we have enough of the power promised in Acts 1:8 to stand for Him no matter what?

We have been given so much! How much is He requiring of us? If He asks more from us, how much will be too much?

Remember this young man:

"Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Defraud not, Honour thy father and mother.

And he answered and said unto him, Master, all these have I observed from my youth.

Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me.

And he was sad at that saying, and went away grieved: for he had great possessions." Mark 10: 19-22

He went away sad, and it wasn't even his physical life that he was required to sacrifice!
 

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"But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required : and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more." Luke 12:48

Those who live in the United States are blessed by God more than those living in most other countries. We have Bibles available online [and access to computers on which to view them], and Bibles available in the new and used bookstores, and Bibles available in the libraries. If we want to own a Bible and do not have money to spare, almost any community has church groups that will give them one without charge.

We also have a mutitude of church organizations teaching nearly every conceivable intrepretation of the Bible. We have schools mandated to provide education to every child [in spite much of it being probably mostly on the secular side these days].

Among us here in this country who are so richly blessed there are, of course, great differences in the blessings available to different people for different reasons. Some of the reasons are racial. Some of the reasons are due to accidentally being born in better circumstances materially or even spiritually than others. For example, some are born to parents who already are serving God in some measure, while others are born to parents who are very outspoken atheists.

Without even considering all of these differences among us here in these United States, there are still more and/or greater opportunities here than those that exist in most other countries in the world. We have more freedom to worship God in the right way or even in the wrong way [wrong according to God] than exist in most other places in the world; or even not to worship Him at all.

Yes, we are blessed, but our blessings lay upon each of us a greater responsibility in our own walk with God than is laid upon those who are less fortunate than us in their opportunities.

Having considered all of the blessings I have mentioned and those also that I have not mentioned, let us look again at the verse I quoted at the start of the OP:

"But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required : and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more." Luke 12:48

Considering our blessings by etiher being born in the United States or of having immigrated to the United States [legally or not], and the enboldened portion of the cited verse, what should we suppose that God would expect from us?

In the Christian underground of mainland China [and in many other countries] people are literally risking their lives to serve the God we may here so serve without much fear of physical punishment. Would any of us be willing to do the same if we were presented such a choice as the Chinese Christians [and others], instead of being so blessed as to be residents of the United States?

Many may want to jump up and say I would not deny the Lord , no matter what. Isn't this what the apostles following Jesus also proclaimed before He was taken away? When He was taken away, where were they? When and if our comparitive physical safety were taken away from us, would we have enough of the power promised in Acts 1:8 to stand for Him no matter what?

We have been given so much! How much is He requiring of us? If He asks more from us, how much will be too much?

Remember this young man:

"Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Defraud not, Honour thy father and mother.

And he answered and said unto him, Master, all these have I observed from my youth.

Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me.

And he was sad at that saying, and went away grieved: for he had great possessions." Mark 10: 19-22

He went away sad, and it wasn't even his physical life that he was required to sacrifice!

I am looking forward to your answer. How does one know if he or she will have thegrace to give up everything for God?
 

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"But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required : and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more." Luke 12:48

Those who live in the United States are blessed by God more than those living in most other countries. We have Bibles available online [and access to computers on which to view them], and Bibles available in the new and used bookstores, and Bibles available in the libraries. If we want to own a Bible and do not have money to spare, almost any community has church groups that will give them one without charge.

We also have a mutitude of church organizations teaching nearly every conceivable intrepretation of the Bible. We have schools mandated to provide education to every child [in spite much of it being probably mostly on the secular side these days].

Among us here in this country who are so richly blessed there are, of course, great differences in the blessings available to different people for different reasons. Some of the reasons are racial. Some of the reasons are due to accidentally being born in better circumstances materially or even spiritually than others. For example, some are born to parents who already are serving God in some measure, while others are born to parents who are very outspoken atheists.

Without even considering all of these differences among us here in these United States, there are still more and/or greater opportunities here than those that exist in most other countries in the world. We have more freedom to worship God in the right way or even in the wrong way [wrong according to God] than exist in most other places in the world; or even not to worship Him at all.

Yes, we are blessed, but our blessings lay upon each of us a greater responsibility in our own walk with God than is laid upon those who are less fortunate than us in their opportunities.

Having considered all of the blessings I have mentioned and those also that I have not mentioned, let us look again at the verse I quoted at the start of the OP:

"But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required : and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more." Luke 12:48

Considering our blessings by etiher being born in the United States or of having immigrated to the United States [legally or not], and the enboldened portion of the cited verse, what should we suppose that God would expect from us?

In the Christian underground of mainland China [and in many other countries] people are literally risking their lives to serve the God we may here so serve without much fear of physical punishment. Would any of us be willing to do the same if we were presented such a choice as the Chinese Christians [and others], instead of being so blessed as to be residents of the United States?

Many may want to jump up and say I would not deny the Lord , no matter what. Isn't this what the apostles following Jesus also proclaimed before He was taken away? When He was taken away, where were they? When and if our comparitive physical safety were taken away from us, would we have enough of the power promised in Acts 1:8 to stand for Him no matter what?

We have been given so much! How much is He requiring of us? If He asks more from us, how much will be too much?

Remember this young man:

"Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Defraud not, Honour thy father and mother.

And he answered and said unto him, Master, all these have I observed from my youth.

Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me.

And he was sad at that saying, and went away grieved: for he had great possessions." Mark 10: 19-22

He went away sad, and it wasn't even his physical life that he was required to sacrifice!

Christ not only asked that all ownership of possessions be given up. He also ask for their full devotion and love more than their family.

Matthew 19:29 And every one that hath left house, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands for my name's sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall possess life everlasting.

Matthew 10:37 He that loveth father or mother more than me, is not worthy of me; and he that loveth son or daughter more than me, is not worthy of me.
 

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How much is too much for God to ask of us? How much was asked of Jesus? Was it too much to ask?

No , and whatever God asks of us it is not too much ! If we are really able to recognise His voice, will we not desire to do whatever He asks and give Him the glory for it? We will!

Unless, of course, we do not really trust Him?

"I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service." Rom 12:1

"There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it." I Cor 10:13

"I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me." Philippians 4:13

Give God the glory always!



I am looking forward to your answer. How does one know if he or she will have thegrace to give up everything for God?

When a person is walking with the Lord and talking with the Lord, that person will know [ not believe, but know ] in his heart when he can do whatsoever the Lord tells him to do! Sometimes, at first, like Gideon, we may hesitate and desire to ask for a a fleece from the Lord, but He knowing the frailty of our flesh, which is enmity againgst His Spirit, will give us what is needed to accomplish what he desires us to do.

Christ not only asked that all ownership of possessions be given up. He also ask for their full devotion and love more than their family.

Matthew 19:29 And every one that hath left house, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands for my name's sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall possess life everlasting.

Matthew 10:37 He that loveth father or mother more than me, is not worthy of me; and he that loveth son or daughter more than me, is not worthy of me.

Good words, those, my friend! Thank you!
 

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So do any of you take this literally?

Luke 14:25-26 (NKJV)
[sup]25 [/sup]Now great multitudes went with Him. And He turned and said to them, [sup]26 [/sup]"If anyone comes to Me and does not hate his father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters, yes, and his own life also, he cannot be My disciple.
 

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So do any of you take this literally?

Luke 14:25-26 (NKJV)
[sup]25 [/sup]Now great multitudes went with Him. And He turned and said to them, [sup]26 [/sup]"If anyone comes to Me and does not hate his father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters, yes, and his own life also, he cannot be My disciple.
Why don't you tell us how you take it, friend? We are waiting patiently for your teaching so that hopefully, we will be edified!

Give God all of the glory!
 

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So do any of you take this literally?

Luke 14:25-26 (NKJV)
[sup]25 [/sup]Now great multitudes went with Him. And He turned and said to them, [sup]26 [/sup]"If anyone comes to Me and does not hate his father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters, yes, and his own life also, he cannot be My disciple.


All I can do is share what God has had me live. When I accepted Jesus call to his ministry, he asked me to give him my life. When I was about to tell Jesus that I would give him my life, the Holy Spirit let me know that if I gave my life to Jesus I would lose everything I owned. I did not want to lose everything. Sweat started running down my face and neck. I gave my life to Jesus, and I lost everything I owned. I not only lost my possessions, but my way of earning an income, my friends, my brothers and sisters, and realities. A few months after I gave my life to Jesus I was living in a tent with my wife and three babies.



For the next thirty years we lived from paycheck to paycheck. Many of those checks were far a part, and very small.



Jesus had me live out his Word. When I gave my life to Jesus he took it and did what he wanted it to do. I could have, of course, still have gone on to do what I wanted, but he always gave me the grace to be able to follow him.
 

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All I can do is share what God has had me live. When I accepted Jesus call to his ministry, he asked me to give him my life. When I was about to tell Jesus that I would give him my life, the Holy Spirit let me know that if I gave my life to Jesus I would lose everything I owned. I did not want to lose everything. Sweat started running down my face and neck. I gave my life to Jesus, and I lost everything I owned. I not only lost my possessions, but my way of earning an income, my friends, my brothers and sisters, and realities. A few months after I gave my life to Jesus I was living in a tent with my wife and three babies.



For the next thirty years we lived from paycheck to paycheck. Many of those checks were far a part, and very small.



Jesus had me live out his Word. When I gave my life to Jesus he took it and did what he wanted it to do. I could have, of course, still have gone on to do what I wanted, but he always gave me the grace to be able to follow him.

Give God all of the glory always, my friend!
 

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So do any of you take this literally?

Luke 14:25-26 (NKJV)
[sup]25 [/sup]Now great multitudes went with Him. And He turned and said to them, [sup]26 [/sup]"If anyone comes to Me and does not hate his father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters, yes, and his own life also, he cannot be My disciple.

The question is perhaps the wrong question. Should not the question be, how does God expect us to "take it" and how close are we to His Way in this as in all things?

All of us should desire to be "away from evil " as Jesus prayed:

"I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil." John 17:15

When we ask this of Him, that He keep us from evil and ask it from our heart, He will not fail to respond. So then when He responds, if a portion of the evil from which we are to be kept is in our natural parents or spouse or children, then we will hate that evil as well. Getting to the place where can hate all evil is one that can be taken without His help. He will change and strengthen us as necessary to accomplish that which is necessary so that we are pleasing to God.

Give God all of the glory!
 

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The question is perhaps the wrong question. Should not the question be, how does God expect us to "take it" and how close are we to His Way in this as in all things?

All of us should desire to be "away from evil " as Jesus prayed:

"I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil." John 17:15

When we ask this of Him, that He keep us from evil and ask it from our heart, He will not fail to respond. So then when He responds, if a portion of the evil from which we are to be kept is in our natural parents or spouse or children, then we will hate that evil as well. Getting to the place where can hate all evil is one that can be taken without His help. He will change and strengthen us as necessary to accomplish that which is necessary so that we are pleasing to God.

Give God all of the glory!

What a beautiful answer! You explained why God took me away from my possessions, family, friends,and my way of earning a living. I knew why, but you put it into word very well.



My possession, family, friends and my way ofearning a living were keeping me from coming closer to Jesus. That made those things evil for me. One needs to stay as far from evil as he or she can.
 

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No one has answered my question. I was referring to HATE.

Luke 14:25-26 (NKJV)
[sup][/sup][sup]26 [/sup]"If anyone comes to Me and does not hate his father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters, yes, and his own life also, he cannot be My disciple.

Since He said we are to love our enemies He clearly does not want us to hate our families literally. He does not want us to hate any person. Some interesting answers though.
 

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No one has answered my question. I was referring to HATE.

Luke 14:25-26 (NKJV)
[sup][/sup][sup]26 [/sup]"If anyone comes to Me and does not hate his father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters, yes, and his own life also, he cannot be My disciple.

Since He said we are to love our enemies He clearly does not want us to hate our families literally. He does not want us to hate any person. Some interesting answers though.

I am writing this meaning no disrespect. Jesus explained this verse to me by havingme live the Word. In affect mine was a videoof one walking what Jesus was saying.



Amadeus, explained this verse, which I am sure Jesusexplained to him, using words. Hiswords painted a picture of what Jesus was telling us.



Jesus answers and teaches us using different tools. If you haven’t already, then ask Jesus/HolySpirit what the verses means, Who knows how he will explain the verse to you?
 

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I am writing this meaning no disrespect. Jesus explained this verse to me by havingme live the Word. In affect mine was a videoof one walking what Jesus was saying.

Amadeus, explained this verse, which I am sure Jesusexplained to him, using words. Hiswords painted a picture of what Jesus was telling us.

Jesus answers and teaches us using different tools. If you haven’t already, then ask Jesus/HolySpirit what the verses means, Who knows how he will explain the verse to you?
Jesus does not want us to "hate" any person.
 

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Jesus does not want us to "hate" any person.

The only people we, as followers of Christ, are to hate completey and absolutely are those that are clearly and absolutely in every way opposed to God. Are there such people? Perhaps, that is what a reprobate is. Perhaps that was what King Saul had become when God rejected him. I do not know a single person on which I could designate definitely as a reprobate to be hated so completely. God is able to see our hearts so He knows when there is still a redeemable quality [a bit of Himself] in a person. We are not usually able to see another person's heart so completely. Hopefully, this will answer you question, at least, as I see it!

Give God all of the glory always!
 

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The only people we, as followers of Christ, are to hate completey and absolutely are those that are clearly and absolutely in every way opposed to God. Are there such people? Perhaps, that is what a reprobate is. Perhaps that was what King Saul had become when God rejected him. I do not know a single person on which I could designate definitely as a reprobate to be hated so completely. God is able to see our hearts so He knows when there is still a redeemable quality [a bit of Himself] in a person. We are not usually able to see another person's heart so completely. Hopefully, this will answer you question, at least, as I see it!

Give God all of the glory always!
Christians are not to hate anyone, period.
 

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Christians are not to hate anyone, period.
If that is the case then how do explain this?

"As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated ." Rom 9:13

And this?

"Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him ; for we shall see him as he is." I John 3:2
 

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If that is the case then how do explain this?

"As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated ." Rom 9:13

And this?

"Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him ; for we shall see him as he is." I John 3:2
We are not God. God makes the rules. His rules for us are:

Luke 6:27 (NKJV)
[sup]27[/sup]But I say to you who hear: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you,

Mark 11:26 (NKJV)
[sup]26 [/sup]But if you do not forgive, neither will your Father in heaven forgive your trespasses.
 

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We are not God. God makes the rules. His rules for us are:

Luke 6:27 (NKJV)
[sup]27[/sup]But I say to you who hear: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you,

Mark 11:26 (NKJV)
[sup]26 [/sup]But if you do not forgive, neither will your Father in heaven forgive your trespasses.


Nice post could add thius too

Mat 5:46 For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?
 

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Nice post could add thius too

Mat 5:46 For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?




(Matthew 16: 25) “Get behind me, Satan! You are an obstacle in my path, because the way you think is not God’s way but man’s”



If any thing or any one is an obstacle in one’s path toward God, it is of Satan, and should be hated, and put behind them.



(Matthew 10:37-39) “ "Anyone who loves his father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves his son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me; and anyone who does not take his cross and follow me is not worthy of me. Whoever finds his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life for my sake will find it.



(Matthew 5:27-30) “You have heard that it was said, 'Do not commit adultery. But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart. If your right eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell. And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to go into hell