Much Is Given... Much Required

amadeus · Jan 1, 2011

Duckybill said:
We are not God. God makes the rules. His rules for us are:

Luke 6:27 (NKJV)
[sup]27[/sup]But I say to you who hear: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you,

Mark 11:26 (NKJV)
[sup]26 [/sup]But if you do not forgive, neither will your Father in heaven forgive your trespasses.

I do not disagree with the verses you posted. I did answer each question that you asked of me, but you failed to show me clearly your view on the scriptures that I posted previously. Perhaps you do not yet fully understand them! That is OK, for each of us is where we are with the Lord, and at any given time that is not always in the same place.

Amadeus: If that is the case then how do explain this?

"As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated ." Rom 9:13

And this?

"Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him ; for we shall see him as he is." I John 3:2

God hated Esau because He could see Esau's heart! He also hate Peter in the moment when peter rebuked Jesus. When we draw close enough to God to see clearly what He sees about a person, then we should hate the person, only as God hates the person. The danger is in hating a person without really knowing the person's heart as God does.

mjrhealth said:
Nice post could add thius too

Mat 5:46 For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?

Yes, a nice post, but loving our enemies does not mean that we should love the evil within our enemies any more than we should the love the evil within our friends. Until we are overcomers, there remains a beast nature within each of us that will lead us to sin whenever and as often as it can. We must hate that beast within ourselves and within anyone else!

Give God all of the glory!

Duckybill · Jan 1, 2011

amadeus said:
I do not disagree with the verses you posted. I did answer each question that you asked of me, but you failed to show me clearly your view on the scriptures that I posted previously. Perhaps you do not yet fully understand them! That is OK, for each of us is where we are with the Lord, and at any given time that is not always in the same place.

Hatred of others is not acceptable. Perhaps YOU do not understand that those who hate others are not forgiven of their sins.

mjrhealth · Jan 2, 2011

Mat 25:33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
Mat 25:34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
Mat 25:35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
Mat 25:36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
Mat 25:37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
Mat 25:38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
Mat 25:39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
Mat 25:40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

Thisis why we can only love people, no we cannot point fingers and call them sinners, no one has that right, it is Christ who forgives, satan who accuses. Choose which side of the line you are on. But take His words

Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

In His Love

Thankful 1 · Jan 2, 2011

mjrhealth said:
Mat 25:33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
Mat 25:34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
Mat 25:35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
Mat 25:36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
Mat 25:37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
Mat 25:38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
Mat 25:39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
Mat 25:40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

Thisis why we can only love people, no we cannot point fingers and call them sinners, no one has that right, it is Christ who forgives, satan who accuses. Choose which side of the line you are on. But take His words

Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

In His Love

(1 Corinthians 5:11-13) “What I wrote was that you should not associate with a brother Christian who is leading an immoral life, or is a usurer, or idolatrous, or a slanderer, or a drunkard or is dishonest; you should not even eat a meal with people like that. It is not my business to pass judgment on those outside. Of those who are inside, you can surely be the judges. But of those who are outside, God is the judge. You must drive out this evil-doer from among you.”

amadeus · Jan 2, 2011

Duckybill said:
Hatred of others is not acceptable. [/size]Perhaps YOU do not understand that those who hate others are not forgiven of their sins.

I am afraid my friend that we on completely different pages.

Give God all of the glory anyway!

Duckybill · Jan 2, 2011

amadeus said:
I am afraid my friend that we on completely different pages.

Give God all of the glory anyway!

I am certainly on a different page than those who believe Christians can hate others.

Galatians 5:14 (NKJV)
[sup]14 [/sup]For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this: "You shall love your neighbor as yourself.

amadeus · Jan 2, 2011

Duckybill said:
I am certainly on a different page than those who believe Christians can hate others.

Galatians 5:14 (NKJV)
[sup]14 [/sup]For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this: "You shall love your neighbor as yourself.

Perhaps a complete reprobate would not be my neighbor?

"Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?

But I trust that ye shall know that we are not reprobates." II Cor 13:5-6

"But he, willing to justify himself, said unto Jesus, And who is my neighbour?

And Jesus answering said, A certain man went down from Jerusalem to Jericho, and fell among thieves, which stripped him of his raiment, and wounded him, and departed, leaving him half dead.

And by chance there came down a certain priest that way: and when he saw him, he passed by on the other side.

And likewise a Levite, when he was at the place, came and looked on him, and passed by on the other side.

But a certain Samaritan, as he journeyed, came where he was: and when he saw him, he had compassion on him,

And went to him, and bound up his wounds, pouring in oil and wine, and set him on his own beast, and brought him to an inn, and took care of him.

And on the morrow when he departed, he took out two pence, and gave them to the host, and said unto him, Take care of him; and whatsoever thou spendest more, when I come again, I will repay thee.

Which now of these three, thinkest thou, was neighbour unto him that fell among the thieves?

And he said, He that showed mercy on him. Then said Jesus unto him, Go, and do thou likewise" Luke 10:29-37

Who then is NOT our neighbour?

Duckybill · Jan 2, 2011

Sounds like you are looking for excuses to hate others.

mjrhealth · Jan 2, 2011

) “What I wrote was that you should not associate with a brother Christian who is leading an immoral life, or is a usurer, or idolatrous, or a slanderer, or a drunkard or is dishonest; you should not even eat a meal with people like that.

Is it not strange that Jesus should hang out with aduterers, thieves, drunkards, tax collectors and all the low life, as He said

(Luk 5:31) And Jesus answering said unto them, They that are whole need not a physician; but they that are sick.

(Luk 5:32) I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

Yes, the hardest part of becoming Christ Like, is giving up you own identity so that people can see Him in you, so that He gets the glory, and giving up your, wants, your needs, your future, your life, your thoughts, your mind, your ambitions, so that He can use you, without you getting in the way.

It sometimes is no fun, but it is worth it.

In His LOve

amadeus · Jan 2, 2011

Duckybill said:
Sounds like you are looking for excuses to hate others.

On the contrary, my friend, I do not hate anyone, because I do not know anyone who without doubt is a reprobate. God does, of course, but until He points one out to me, I must love them.

Duckybill · Jan 2, 2011

amadeus said:
On the contrary, my friend, I do not hate anyone, because I do not know anyone who without doubt is a reprobate. God does, of course, but until He points one out to me, I must love them.

You must live a VERY sheltered life.

amadeus · Jan 2, 2011

Duckybill said:
You must live a VERY sheltered life.

Just because someone looks and acts like a reprobate to me, doesn't give me the whole lowdown on what is in his heart. Only God sees the depths of every person's heart! Until He specifically tells me to hate the entire person I don't do that. I continue to pray for people whose doors have apparently been completely closed in my face.

Sheltered? No, I was an public interviewer for the Social Security Administration until my retirement near the end of the year 2000. There is very little that I did not see during my years working for that federal government agency and my time in the U.S. Army.

Duckybill · Jan 2, 2011

amadeus said:
Just because someone looks and acts like a reprobate to me, doesn't give me the whole lowdown on what is in his heart. Only God sees the depths of every person's heart! Until He specifically tells me to hate the entire person I don't do that.

God isn't going to tell you to love your enemies and then tell you to hate someone. You have Scripture telling you to hate someone?

Thankful 1 · Jan 3, 2011

Duckybill said:
God isn't going to tell you to love your enemies and then tell you to hate someone. You have Scripture telling you to hate someone?

(1 John 2:27) “But you have not lost the anointing that he gave you, and you do not need anyone to teach you, the anointing he gave teaches you everything; you are anointed with truth, not a lie, and as it has taught you, so you must stay in him.”

amadeus · Jan 3, 2011

Duckybill said:
God isn't going to tell you to love your enemies and then tell you to hate someone. You have Scripture telling you to hate someone?

God does tell us to hate certain things or approves it when we hate certain things! If God hates a thing, are we not to hate it, if we recognise it as he recognises it?

"These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:

A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,

An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,

A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren." Prov 6:16-19

"He that loveth his life shall lose it; and he that hateth his life in this world shall keep it unto life eternal." John 12:25

"Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows." Heb 1:9

"But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitanes, which I also hate." Rev 2:6

I already told you that I do not hate anyone, including those who may appear to me as being reprobate, because I am unable to discern their hearts as having no hope left.

If we know that the entire being of a person consists of only things, which God has told us to hate, then what choice would we have?

Duckybill · Jan 4, 2011

Hate is opposite of forgiving. Forgiving ALL OTHERS is mandatory for salvation.

Mark 11:26 (NKJV)
[sup]26 [/sup]But if you do not forgive, neither will your Father in heaven forgive your trespasses."

amadeus · Jan 4, 2011

Duckybill said:
Hate is opposite of forgiving. Forgiving ALL OTHERS is mandatory for salvation.

Mark 11:26 (NKJV)
[sup]26 [/sup]But if you do not forgive, neither will your Father in heaven forgive your trespasses."

When you read and address my posts, then I will respond. Thanks

Robbie · Jan 4, 2011

amadeus said:
"But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required : and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more." Luke 12:48

Makes sense... if a parent hasn't told their kid not to do something and the kid does it the parent's not gonna be that mad because the kid didn't know any better... but after the 10th or 12th time the parent has told the kid not to do something and they do it the parent is gonna get fed up and the punishment's gonna gain severity with each act of disobedience... but any good parent will always only punish with the intention of correction and love... lucky our Father is only good and every thing He does even correction is always based on Love...

Duckybill · Jan 4, 2011

amadeus said:
When you read and address my posts, then I will respond. Thanks

There is no excuse for hating anyone. Many will find that out too late.

amadeus · Jan 4, 2011

Duckybill said:
There is no excuse for hating anyone. Many will find that out too late.

Give God all of the glory!

Robbie said:
Makes sense... if a parent hasn't told their kid not to do something and the kid does it the parent's not gonna be that mad because the kid didn't know any better... but after the 10th or 12th time the parent has told the kid not to do something and they do it the parent is gonna get fed up and the punishment's gonna gain severity with each act of disobedience... but any good parent will always only punish with the intention of correction and love... lucky our Father is only good and every thing He does even correction is always based on Love...

Amen, my friend!! Give God all of the glory!

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