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Consider here the concern of both Abraham and God for Ishmael:
"And Sarah saw the son of Hagar the Egyptian, which she had born unto Abraham, mocking.
Wherefore she said unto Abraham, Cast out this bondwoman and her son: for the son of this bondwoman shall not be heir with my son, even with Isaac.
And the thing was very grievous in Abraham's sight because of his son.
And God said unto Abraham, Let it not be grievous in thy sight because of the lad, and because of thy bondwoman; in all that Sarah hath said unto thee, hearken unto her voice; for in Isaac shall thy seed be called.
And also of the son of the bondwoman will I make a nation, because he is thy seed.
And Abraham rose up early in the morning, and took bread, and a bottle of water, and gave it unto Hagar, putting it on her shoulder, and the child, and sent her away: and she departed, and wandered in the wilderness of Beersheba.
And the water was spent in the bottle, and she cast the child under one of the shrubs.
And she went, and sat her down over against him a good way off, as it were a bowshot: for she said, Let me not see the death of the child. And she sat over against him, and lift up her voice, and wept.
And God heard the voice of the lad; and the angel of God called to Hagar out of heaven, and said unto her, What aileth thee, Hagar? fear not; for God hath heard the voice of the lad where he is.
Arise, lift up the lad, and hold him in thine hand; for I will make him a great nation." Gen 21:9-18
Neville Goddard left 1972, not many knew him back then but they do now,Hi all,
Upon signing up, I was asked to click if I was a 'Christian' or a 'Muslim.' While I practice Christianity more so that I do Islam (though I have been to Mosque from time to time), I decided to click 'Muslim,' as it is known that the many prophets of the religions of the God of Monotheism that came before visited Mohammed in his lifetime, in order to authenticate the establishment of yet another of God's many great religions. Why, then, would any Muslim deny the legitimacy of Christianity?
It is not necessary, however, for a Christian to accept Islam, seeing as though there is no mention of it in the scripture.
And yet, Christians and Muslims are constantly at war with one another. Why does God do this to His peoples? Is war really that much fun? Members of all monotheistic faiths should be working together to repel the advance of nihilism that has spread since World War II. Religion has been responsible for all the major advancements in history leading to the present.
Only through war can technology increase, and humanity can conquer the stars. But it must be done with love, the way God does it. Because without love, life is not worth having. The sole reason the Creator made the universe in the first place is on love's account.
It's time for the fundamentalists to own up to their scheming and deceitful ways, and take responsibility for the losses suffered by God and His churches from the outside.
Malo,Hi all,
Seems a pretty basic choice, since neither the one [Christianity, thus Christian] or the other [Islam, thus Muslim or Muslima] are the same, neither interchangeable, or able to be confused one with another. It's like choosing between light [Christianity] and darkness [Islam].Upon signing up, I was asked to click if I was a 'Christian' or a 'Muslim.'
That statement shows you practice neither the one or the other, but your own mixture, which is neither, and thus fails of both. A person who is a Christian, cannot "practice" Islam, and a person who is a real Muslim, cannot "practice" Christianity. They are mutually exclusive by their very natures, tenets, theologies, beliefs, practices, &c.While I practice Christianity more so that I do Islam (though I have been to Mosque from time to time)
This statement of yours is simply in error, according to authentic Islamic sources, for "Muhammad" never was "visited" by "many prophets of the religions of the God of Monotheism that came before", but instead had a "dream"/"vision" (the "mi-raj"; supposedly) wherein his conversations took place, as for instance where he supposedly spoke with "'Isa (Muslim Jesus)" in the second (of Seven) Heaven (Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 54, Number 429).I decided to click 'Muslim,' as it is known that the many prophets of the religions of the God of Monotheism that came before visited Mohammed in his lifetime, in order to authenticate the establishment of yet another of God's many great religions.
Because it is central to Islam to deny Christianity as valid (this is different than denying the underlying texts of scripture, which Islam does anyway, but in a round about way), even in the first surah (Al Fatiha), ayah 7 (or 6 depending on translation into English), such as from al-Hilali-Khan: (1:7) The Way of those on whom You have bestowed Your Grace [4], not (the way) of those who earned You Anger [5] (such as the Jews), nor of those who went astray (such as the Christians). [1],[2],[3], and this to be prayed 'daily' by faithful muslims/muslimas. The commentary on such by Bukhari, Muslim, etc are even clearer.Why, then, would any Muslim deny the legitimacy of Christianity?
A Christian cannot ever accept Islam, and be true and faithful to Christianity (thus Jesus Christ). It is an impossibility to accept both simultaneously. Islam is mentioned in scripture, but indirectly with all the other erroneous and false religions/theologies and false prophets.It is not necessary, however, for a Christian to accept Islam, seeing as though there is no mention of it in the scripture.
I would have to know what you mean by "war" here in order to truly comment/reply to the statement.And yet, Christians and Muslims are constantly at war with one another.
When you say "God" and "His", who do you specifically refer to? As JEHOVAH is not "Allah", and vice-versa. This can be demonstrated on the simplest of levels.Why does God do this to His peoples?
What do you mean by "war"? Can you be specific?Is war really that much fun?
That is a very King of the North (Religious Humanism, Roman Catholicism, etal.) thing to say against the reverse of the same coin, being the King of the South (Secular Humanism). It is a very Jesuit construct, and the very same they attempted in France, Russia, etc.Members of all monotheistic faiths should be working together to repel the advance of nihilism that has spread since World War II.
In a sense true, but religion isn't necessarily of the Truth, and the devil's religion has sought to control from the outset. See Revelation 13:1-2.Religion has been responsible for all the major advancements in history leading to the present.
I disagree entirely, based upon scriptural evidences, since before the advent of sin (with Lucifer), there was already true education, true knowledge, and there was not yet one single "war" to be spoken of, since all wisdom and knowledge existed with JEHOVAH from eternity.Only through war can technology increase
Fallen humanity, and thus fallen angels also, cannot ever "conquer the stars". The scripture teaches that this planet [world, spheroid, is the quarantine zone, the sickbed of the universal Hospital [angels, as nurses, Christ Jesus the Great Physician, a leper colony on an island in space, struck off [temporarily] from the continent of heaven, etc], and even now [since the Cross] satan is trapped here, unable to leave [1 Timothy 6:7 (which seems to draw upon Job 1:21 & Ecclesiastes 5:15); Revelation 12:8-13; Romans 5:6 [combined with Revelation 12:10]; 2 Corinthians 4:4 [this world only and no other worldly body in the heavens] KJB]., and humanity can conquer the stars.
Islam is the antithesis of love, it is selfishness (Muhammad's). The 'god' of the qur'an, thus Islam, knows nothing of love, but only bigotry, war (jihad), hate, fear (terror), and the near final revelation, being surah 9, doesn't even begin as all the other surah's, but speaks of a perpetual slaughter (and eternal burning in Jahannam, Islamic hellfire) upon all that do not accept Islam.But it must be done with love, the way God does it.
I agree with the sentiment, but Islam does not teach love.Because without love, life is not worth having.
I can agree with this sentiment, but again, that which Islam claims to be love is not actually love at all.The sole reason the Creator made the universe in the first place is on love's account.
A "fundamentalist" is someone who believes in "fundamentals", which even Islam itself is a religion of "fundamentals".It's time for the fundamentalists to own up to their scheming and deceitful ways, and take responsibility for the losses suffered by God and His churches from the outside.
Welcome,Hi all,
Upon signing up, I was asked to click if I was a 'Christian' or a 'Muslim.' While I practice Christianity more so that I do Islam (though I have been to Mosque from time to time), I decided to click 'Muslim,' as it is known that the many prophets of the religions of the God of Monotheism that came before visited Mohammed in his lifetime, in order to authenticate the establishment of yet another of God's many great religions. Why, then, would any Muslim deny the legitimacy of Christianity?
It is not necessary, however, for a Christian to accept Islam, seeing as though there is no mention of it in the scripture.
And yet, Christians and Muslims are constantly at war with one another. Why does God do this to His peoples? Is war really that much fun? Members of all monotheistic faiths should be working together to repel the advance of nihilism that has spread since World War II. Religion has been responsible for all the major advancements in history leading to the present.
Only through war can technology increase, and humanity can conquer the stars. But it must be done with love, the way God does it. Because without love, life is not worth having. The sole reason the Creator made the universe in the first place is on love's account.
It's time for the fundamentalists to own up to their scheming and deceitful ways, and take responsibility for the losses suffered by God and His churches from the outside.
God's plan is working perfectly. He is in control. You are correct on saying that it all about Love. But how would we know good without evil? We could not appreciate God's attributes or know them unless we experienced their opposites. When someone lives without love, peace, joy, kindness, hope, faith, health, comfort, etc.; but then God's goodness comes along and takes them out of their misery and shows them His love - then they really know what love is and appreciate it.But it must be done with love, the way God does it. Because without love, life is not worth having. The sole reason the Creator made the universe in the first place is on love's account.
Well maybe they don't quite "hate" but there has been a heck of a lot of anti-Muslim opinions of many christians and nonchristians in the last decades.
Only through war can technology increase
Not really. Islam was created to OPPOSE the Gospel and OPPOSE Christ. So people must decide who is the true Savior and who is the false prophet. All you have to do is read the Koran and discover this for yourself. According to the Koran, Christians and Jews are bound for Hell.Christians misunderstand who Ismael is and have a deep-seated distrust of all spirituality they do not recognize. This is called immaturity.
Maybe for the same reason they deny the Deity of Jesus and the atoning death of Jesus for our sins.Why, then, would any Muslim deny the legitimacy of Christianity?
The Arabs are not all Muslims, nor are all Muslims Arabs, but believe or die is a strong motivation to believe, even in Christianity. The forced conversions of Islam were at the point of a sword, but nearly all Christians turn to Christ out of the fear of death and eternal condemnation.And this remark is total nonsense. Ishmael is the ancestor of the Arabs, and the Arabs are all Muslims. Should Christians reject the Koran and its misrepresentation of the Bible and the Gospel? Absolutely. The Koran is a direct attack on the Gospel and Christ.
Nonsense. The largest portion of scripture is history with real persons, real events, real miraculous acts, and a very real only begotten Son of God who was given the name Yashua by heavenly decree.Neville Goddard left 1972, not many knew him back then but they do now,
It is in you as a person that the nature of God is revealed, for a scriptural episode is not a record of an historical event, but a parabolic revelation of truth. To see Jesus or David as an historical character is to see truth tempered to the weakness of your soul. You must see what the characters represent, rather than the characters themselves. This is true for every story in scripture, for every episode will unfold within you.
The title of the 54th Psalm is translated as “David is hiding with us” in the King James Version, and “David is in hiding among us” in the Revised Standard Version; but the title should read: “David is in hiding within us,” for that is where he is, as well as every character in scripture. When I say, with Blake: “All that you behold, though it appears without it is within, in your Imagination of which this world of mortality is but a shadow,” I mean that literally, for the drama of life unfolds from within.
The characters Jesus, David, Abraham, and Moses are but personifications of eternal states, which you individually will encounter as you move towards the ultimate awakening of being God himself. In his poem, “Saul” Robert Browning tells the story recorded in the 16th chapter of the Book of First Samuel, of how David cured Saul of the evil spirits which the Lord had sent upon him.