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23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever. - 1 Peter 1:23.

What happen to the believer in mind before they were born again in spirit. They got use to being abused by the seed that was in them, the corruptible seed. The mind programmer. What does it program? Your bad, your a sinner, look at what you do. All lies, your not bad, you were created in the image and likeness of God and then you were taken over by another. You are not worthless and all the things the run threw our minds. It was the other that was bad, the sinner from the beginning scripture calls it, not you. You are simply a partaker in life (nature).

14 And the Lord God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:
15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel. - Genesis 3:14-15.

The Satan seed, or however you want interpret verse 15 as 'thy seed' I have to interpret that as the seed of Satan because that seed has caused nothing but hell on earth since it's inception. How the seed came to be Satan seed can be discussed and debated but the cause and effect of the seed and it's origin came by the serpent that tricked the minds of the very first human beings. We can spiritualize it, analyze it, trivialize it, allegoricalize it, but the bottom line it is here and it reaps havoc on mankind.

This is in no way to broadcast a clear determination on what happened in the beginning of time as we know it. It is a friendly reminder in they're fallen state mankind has always had a mind problem. Even in the new birth in spirit, the mind is at issue and must have newness added to it to become what our father would intend for all who believe. That fallen depraved sin Satan death nature seed has plagued mankind from the beginning until now. It programed the mind of man and has to be renewed.

Believers that live by the knowledge of good and evil continually have the hardest time amongst all believers because it is like they have never been born again, at least in mind they don't act like it. They must live from ego most of the time trying to overcome their own selves that has been abused and treated like it was them that was the sinner from the beginning. That is what we have determined to be abuse. Still trying to overcome, what is the old saying "the struggle is real." The struggle will be real until we take that last breathe but it does not have to be devastation to wits end as was the case in a unregenerate position with that corruptible seed. Now it is just a mind issue, I say just a mind issue! that is a big issue but it is not unsurmountable it can be overcome.

Why would Jesus say "be of good cheer for I have overcome the world." The day would come and now is; that humanity would have an opportunity to have a new life and a new understanding 'a new mind to go with the new life.' old things gone as if they never existed. Saints it's more than a pipe dream it is the reality of being a Christian. Heed the scriptures for in them you have everything that is necessary for life. Whatever you can think of is in the new life, and more. Things we don't even know exsists are in the new life, trust the life that is in you, the seed of God. It is not an abuser as was the old, it is the mind now that will attempt to bring on the old way, not Christ. You have a brand new life in Him. Bless you.
 

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23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever. - 1 Peter 1:23.

What happen to the believer in mind before they were born again in spirit. They got use to being abused by the seed that was in them, the corruptible seed. The mind programmer. What does it program? Your bad, your a sinner, look at what you do. All lies, your not bad, you were created in the image and likeness of God and then you were taken over by another. You are not worthless and all the things the run threw our minds. It was the other that was bad, the sinner from the beginning scripture calls it, not you. You are simply a partaker in life (nature).

14 And the Lord God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:
15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel. - Genesis 3:14-15.

The Satan seed, or however you want interpret verse 15 as 'thy seed' I have to interpret that as the seed of Satan because that seed has caused nothing but hell on earth since it's inception. How the seed came to be Satan seed can be discussed and debated but the cause and effect of the seed and it's origin came by the serpent that tricked the minds of the very first human beings. We can spiritualize it, analyze it, trivialize it, allegoricalize it, but the bottom line it is here and it reaps havoc on mankind.

This is in no way to broadcast a clear determination on what happened in the beginning of time as we know it. It is a friendly reminder in they're fallen state mankind has always had a mind problem. Even in the new birth in spirit, the mind is at issue and must have newness added to it to become what our father would intend for all who believe. That fallen depraved sin Satan death nature seed has plagued mankind from the beginning until now. It programed the mind of man and has to be renewed.

Believers that live by the knowledge of good and evil continually have the hardest time amongst all believers because it is like they have never been born again, at least in mind they don't act like it. They must live from ego most of the time trying to overcome their own selves that has been abused and treated like it was them that was the sinner from the beginning. That is what we have determined to be abuse. Still trying to overcome, what is the old saying "the struggle is real." The struggle will be real until we take that last breathe but it does not have to be devastation to wits end as was the case in a unregenerate position with that corruptible seed. Now it is just a mind issue, I say just a mind issue! that is a big issue but it is not unsurmountable it can be overcome.

Why would Jesus say "be of good cheer for I have overcome the world." The day would come and now is; that humanity would have an opportunity to have a new life and a new understanding 'a new mind to go with the new life.' old things gone as if they never existed. Saints it's more than a pipe dream it is the reality of being a Christian. Heed the scriptures for in them you have everything that is necessary for life. Whatever you can think of is in the new life, and more. Things we don't even know exsists are in the new life, trust the life that is in you, the seed of God. It is not an abuser as was the old, it is the mind now that will attempt to bring on the old way, not Christ. You have a brand new life in Him. Bless you.


You may never have thought of this Soul, as you know it is easy for us to sin, matter of fact it is our inclination because of the inherited sin from Adam, but interestingly, it was the other way around for Adam, his natural inclination would have been not to sin, he had to deliberately choose to disobey, while we have to choose to obey. Isn't that interesting sir, something that I never thought of till someone told me that, and it makes perfect sense.
 
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You may never have thought of this Soul, as you know it is easy for us to sin, matter of fact it is our inclination because of the inherited sin from Adam, but interestingly, it was the other way around for Adam, his natural inclination would have been not to sin, he had to deliberately choose to disobey, while we have to choose to obey. Isn't that interesting sir, something that I never thought of till someone told me that, and it makes perfect sense.

Yes and thank you for your comment. Do you see anywhere in scripture that Adam was created with a spirit?
 

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Yes and thank you for your comment. Do you see anywhere in scripture that Adam was created with a spirit?

You have to know what the spirit is sir, all of us have it Ps 146:4. The original word is Ruach, in live beings it is the 'breath" of life. In the Psalms verse some Bibles actually render it spirit going out, in other words that breath of life going out, which of course is death.

A Strongs concordance helps considerably in researching words, Ruach is translated into english several ways: active force, blast, breath, breeze, spirit, tempest, and wind.
 

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You have to know what the spirit is sir, all of us have it Ps 146:4. The original word is Ruach, in live beings it is the 'breath" of life. In the Psalms verse some Bibles actually render it spirit going out, in other words that breath of life going out, which of course is death.

A Strongs concordance helps considerably in researching words, Ruach is translated into english several ways: active force, blast, breath, breeze, spirit, tempest, and wind.

Numerous scripture on spirit! but was Adam created with a spirit?
 

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Numerous scripture on spirit! but was Adam created with a spirit?

He was given the breath/spirit of life, yes sir.
Ge 2:7LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul

the "breath" of life:
hmXn N@shamah (nesh-aw-maw'); Noun Feminine, Strong #: 5397

  1. breath, spirit
    1. breath (of God)
    2. breath (of man)
    3. every breathing thing
    4. spirit (of man)
KJV Word Usage and Count
breath 17
blast 3
spirit 2
inspiration 1
souls 1

What are you understanding spirit to mean in the way you are using it?
 
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He was given the breath/spirit of life, yes sir.
Ge 2:7LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul

the "breath" of life:
hmXn N@shamah (nesh-aw-maw'); Noun Feminine, Strong #: 5397

  1. breath, spirit
    1. breath (of God)
    2. breath (of man)
    3. every breathing thing
    4. spirit (of man)
KJV Word Usage and Count
breath 17
blast 3
spirit 2
inspiration 1
souls 1

What are you understanding spirit to mean in the way you are using it?

Ok got it thanks. My understanding is Adam received spirit when he fail. Man is triune, body soul and spirit. I don't see it at creation I see it in the fall. In creation as Adam being made in the image and likeness of God with the ability to have spirit. I understand some greek and hebrew and still look at it, but most of the time I shy away not that it misleads but more of a distraction from what we see as written. I know all the good arguments and held most of them myself at one time still it is best left alone in my opinion. My take on scripture "read a good translation and stay with what is written." That approach is far better suited for believers, again in my opinion. And it's not a competition haha to see who has it all figured out. I will look at the hebrew or greek at times to see something but not to try to translate what is written.
 
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Ok got it thanks. My understanding is Adam received spirit when he fail. Man is triune, body soul and spirit. I don't see it at creation I see it in the fall. In creation as Adam being made in the image and likeness of God with the ability to have spirit. I understand some greek and hebrew and still look at it, but most of the time I shy away not that it misleads but more of a distraction from what we see as written. I know all the good arguments and held most of them myself at one time still it is best left alone in my opinion. My take on scripture "read a good translation and stay with what is written." That approach is far better suited for believers, again in my opinion. And it's not a competition haha to see who has it all figured out. I will look at the hebrew or greek at times to see something but not to try to translate what is written.

You are very welcome soulman, what Adam lost instantly was his spiritual relationship with God. He not only sealed his fate, but lost life for his children as well. Jehovah instantly put into place the plan to bring man back into a spiritual reconciliation with Him.
 
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He was given the breath/spirit of life, yes sir.
Ge 2:7LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul

the "breath" of life:
hmXn N@shamah (nesh-aw-maw'); Noun Feminine, Strong #: 5397

  1. breath, spirit
    1. breath (of God)
    2. breath (of man)
    3. every breathing thing
    4. spirit (of man)
KJV Word Usage and Count
breath 17
blast 3
spirit 2
inspiration 1
souls 1

What are you understanding spirit to mean in the way you are using it?

Robert in the description given I don't see a division. How would you divide the description of soul and spirit.

12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. - Hebrews 4:12.
 

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what Adam lost instantly was his spiritual relationship with God.

If Adam lost his spiritual relationship with God, couldn't people today lose their spiritual relationship with God based on this same premise. Obedience/Disobedience. Also the fact of the matter is we have two different seeds in scripture pertaining to life. Where are the seeds, where do they exsist.
 

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If Adam lost his spiritual relationship with God, couldn't people today lose their spiritual relationship with God based on this same premise. Obedience/Disobedience. Also the fact of the matter is we have two different seeds in scripture pertaining to life. Where are the seeds, where do they exsist.


Sadly, we lost it at birth sir, we were born in sin and death. What do we have that Adam didn't? A redeemer, a mediator:
(1 Timothy 2:5) 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, a man, Christ Jesus,
It is through him that we are reconciled to God Jn 14:6
 
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Robert in the description given I don't see a division. How would you divide the description of soul and spirit.

12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. - Hebrews 4:12.

Ge 2:7LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul

Notice the verse again Soulman, God formed the man from the dust of the ground, what happened next? He, (God) breathed into him the breath of life Here is the original word how it is translated which may help you understand it:
hmXn N@shamah (nesh-aw-maw'); Noun Feminine, Strong #: 5397

  1. breath, spirit
    1. breath (of God)
    2. breath (of man)
    3. every breathing thing
    4. spirit (of man)
KJV Word Usage and Count
breath 17
blast 3
spirit 2
inspiration 1
souls 1

It is God's holy spirit that is the breath of life that sustains each and every individual, and when that breath goes out, we die Ps 146:4

Now notice that the body that was brought to life by God's breath of life, became a living soul. The flesh with the breath of life became a living soul. If the breath of life is removed, then it would be a dead soul. Hope that helps sir.
 
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23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever. - 1 Peter 1:23.

What happen to the believer in mind before they were born again in spirit. They got use to being abused by the seed that was in them, the corruptible seed. The mind programmer. What does it program? Your bad, your a sinner, look at what you do. All lies, your not bad, you were created in the image and likeness of God and then you were taken over by another. You are not worthless and all the things the run threw our minds. It was the other that was bad, the sinner from the beginning scripture calls it, not you. You are simply a partaker in life (nature).

14 And the Lord God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:
15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel. - Genesis 3:14-15.

The Satan seed, or however you want interpret verse 15 as 'thy seed' I have to interpret that as the seed of Satan because that seed has caused nothing but hell on earth since it's inception. How the seed came to be Satan seed can be discussed and debated but the cause and effect of the seed and it's origin came by the serpent that tricked the minds of the very first human beings. We can spiritualize it, analyze it, trivialize it, allegoricalize it, but the bottom line it is here and it reaps havoc on mankind.

This is in no way to broadcast a clear determination on what happened in the beginning of time as we know it. It is a friendly reminder in they're fallen state mankind has always had a mind problem. Even in the new birth in spirit, the mind is at issue and must have newness added to it to become what our father would intend for all who believe. That fallen depraved sin Satan death nature seed has plagued mankind from the beginning until now. It programed the mind of man and has to be renewed.

Believers that live by the knowledge of good and evil continually have the hardest time amongst all believers because it is like they have never been born again, at least in mind they don't act like it. They must live from ego most of the time trying to overcome their own selves that has been abused and treated like it was them that was the sinner from the beginning. That is what we have determined to be abuse. Still trying to overcome, what is the old saying "the struggle is real." The struggle will be real until we take that last breathe but it does not have to be devastation to wits end as was the case in a unregenerate position with that corruptible seed. Now it is just a mind issue, I say just a mind issue! that is a big issue but it is not unsurmountable it can be overcome.

Why would Jesus say "be of good cheer for I have overcome the world." The day would come and now is; that humanity would have an opportunity to have a new life and a new understanding 'a new mind to go with the new life.' old things gone as if they never existed. Saints it's more than a pipe dream it is the reality of being a Christian. Heed the scriptures for in them you have everything that is necessary for life. Whatever you can think of is in the new life, and more. Things we don't even know exsists are in the new life, trust the life that is in you, the seed of God. It is not an abuser as was the old, it is the mind now that will attempt to bring on the old way, not Christ. You have a brand new life in Him. Bless you.

Well teh moment we are born again teh bible says we become a child of God, made a new man, are given the mind of Christ, are perfected, justifed, glorified, seated in heavenly places etc.etc.etc.

With all those positions being true, when we are born again, God does not infuse us with all divine knowledge, we are a new born babve and like a natural child we must grow and learn. that is why Paul wrote this in Romans:

Romans 12:1-2
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12 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.

2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.


REmember before we were saved as Scripture says in 1 Cor. 2: we could not even perceive the things of God for they were foolish to us. So for the rest of our lives we are in a growing and learning phase. We are unlearning all the old ways that have held the supremacy in our mind and replacing them with the new ways that are found in Scripture so that with that knowledge, the Holy Spirit will conform us more and more to the image of Jesus until we are called home.
 
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Ge 2:7LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul

Notice the verse again Soulman, God formed the man from the dust of the ground, what happened next? He, (God) breathed into him the breath of life Here is the original word how it is translated which may help you understand it:
hmXn N@shamah (nesh-aw-maw'); Noun Feminine, Strong #: 5397

  1. breath, spirit
    1. breath (of God)
    2. breath (of man)
    3. every breathing thing
    4. spirit (of man)
KJV Word Usage and Count
breath 17
blast 3
spirit 2
inspiration 1
souls 1

It is God's holy spirit that is the breath of life that sustains each and every individual, and when that breath goes out, we die Ps 146:4

Now notice that the body that was brought to life by God's breath of life, became a living soul. The flesh with the breath of life became a living soul. If the breath of life is removed, then it would be a dead soul. Hope that helps sir.

Little bit of a stretch, nowhere can you find the Holyspirit as the life of the believer.
 

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23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever. - 1 Peter 1:23.

What happen to the believer in mind before they were born again in spirit. They got use to being abused by the seed that was in them, the corruptible seed. The mind programmer. What does it program? Your bad, your a sinner, look at what you do. All lies, your not bad, you were created in the image and likeness of God and then you were taken over by another. You are not worthless and all the things the run threw our minds. It was the other that was bad, the sinner from the beginning scripture calls it, not you. You are simply a partaker in life (nature).

14 And the Lord God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:
15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel. - Genesis 3:14-15.

The Satan seed, or however you want interpret verse 15 as 'thy seed' I have to interpret that as the seed of Satan because that seed has caused nothing but hell on earth since it's inception. How the seed came to be Satan seed can be discussed and debated but the cause and effect of the seed and it's origin came by the serpent that tricked the minds of the very first human beings. We can spiritualize it, analyze it, trivialize it, allegoricalize it, but the bottom line it is here and it reaps havoc on mankind.

This is in no way to broadcast a clear determination on what happened in the beginning of time as we know it. It is a friendly reminder in they're fallen state mankind has always had a mind problem. Even in the new birth in spirit, the mind is at issue and must have newness added to it to become what our father would intend for all who believe. That fallen depraved sin Satan death nature seed has plagued mankind from the beginning until now. It programed the mind of man and has to be renewed.

Believers that live by the knowledge of good and evil continually have the hardest time amongst all believers because it is like they have never been born again, at least in mind they don't act like it. They must live from ego most of the time trying to overcome their own selves that has been abused and treated like it was them that was the sinner from the beginning. That is what we have determined to be abuse. Still trying to overcome, what is the old saying "the struggle is real." The struggle will be real until we take that last breathe but it does not have to be devastation to wits end as was the case in a unregenerate position with that corruptible seed. Now it is just a mind issue, I say just a mind issue! that is a big issue but it is not unsurmountable it can be overcome.

Why would Jesus say "be of good cheer for I have overcome the world." The day would come and now is; that humanity would have an opportunity to have a new life and a new understanding 'a new mind to go with the new life.' old things gone as if they never existed. Saints it's more than a pipe dream it is the reality of being a Christian. Heed the scriptures for in them you have everything that is necessary for life. Whatever you can think of is in the new life, and more. Things we don't even know exsists are in the new life, trust the life that is in you, the seed of God. It is not an abuser as was the old, it is the mind now that will attempt to bring on the old way, not Christ. You have a brand new life in Him. Bless you.
Sin nature is satan I believe. No fallen angel.
 
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