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One of the people who preach works and water on this forum, justbyfaith recently wrote a deceptive Thread that told you that God's forgiveness= is gained by you keeping commandments.

So, let me assure you that this is not true.
Let me assure you that your forgiveness, ...was ONLY gained for you by the Holy One who """"by his own BLOOD Jesus entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us."""
Hebrews 9:12

Did you read that Jesus OBTAINED >Eternal Redemption< for you?
This means it can never be ended. Its "eternal". Eternal according to God who made it so., who created it so.

Well, justbyfaith says that this redemption, that is the forgiveness of your sin, is gained by "keeping commandments".
That is the TITLE of his Thread.

So, to teach THAT deception., is to deny the Cross openly, knowingly, willfully.

Notice that my Thread's TITLE is....>"commandments OR Cross"?

He chose commandments.
I choose the Cross.
What do you choose to be reconciled to God by having all your sin forgiven?
Justbyfaith wants you to choose "commandment keeping" to be "forgiven".
I tell you to trust the Holy One who..."by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us."""
Trust in the blood to forgive you., and never anything else that someone tells you that denies the Cross of Christ.

Let me assure you that God does not forgive you based on "keeping commandments", as a deceiver would teach you, but rather, God forgives you based on His Mercy and Grace, that forgives you and give you eternal redemption = only through the blood of Jesus.

And let me give you one more, Saint.

Never think, never believe that God's blessings come to you, based on your behavior.
They do not.
Correction comes based on your wrong behavior, but BLESSINGS come only based on God's Goodness.
See, everything with God, that comes to you as your Salvation....and that is your forgiveness of all your sin, you being "made righteous", your Eternal life, your health, your financial security, your peace of mind, your protection, and your answered prayers, all come to you as part of the "GIFT of Salvation".
God is good to you, not because you are good.
God is good to you because GOD is good, and God's mercy endures forever on your behalf.
God is good to you, not based on you, but based on what Christ did for you on THE CROSS.

That's God's GRACE, and it is truly Amazing.
 
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Here is my response to his attack against me in that thread:

Your Thread's TITLE just made a liar out of you.
Your Thread's Title says that forgiveness is not found in Jesus's Blood, or the Cross, or by God's mercy.
Read your Thread's title, deceiver.
Your Thread's Title says that forgiveness is found by "self", by "self" keeping commandments.

You are the one, calling me a deceiver; and yet you deny the reality of indwelling sin: and therefore you have deceived yourself and the truth is not in you (1 John 1:8). I am going to keep reminding you of this every time that you call me a deceiver because a good offense is a good defense; and it is very clear to me and everyone else here that you have three fingers pointing back at you (Matthew 7:1-5, Luke 6:41-42).

I think that you really need to address the scriptures that I have posted, in the OP...and the logic of those scriptures.

Of course forgiveness is found in Jesus' blood; it is the only thing that has the power to cleanse us from all sin (1 John 1:7), to redeem us from all iniquity (Titus 2:14) and to save us from our sins (Matthew 1:21).

I have pointed out that the things that I have mentioned just above have to do with us becoming obedient children as the result of having been redeemed by the blood of the Lamb.

After all, the blood of Jesus doesn't only justify (as per Romans 5:9)...it also sanctifies (Hebrews 13:12, Hebrews 10:29) and cleanses us from all sin (1 John 1:7).
 

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Justbyfaith wants you to choose "commandment keeping" to be "forgiven".

That is an abject lie; which you have concluded by judging a thread by its title; without looking at the content of the thread to see what is written therein.
 

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I would suggest reading carefully the following scriptures and determining their logic.

Psa 103:12, As far as the east is from the west, so far hath he removed our transgressions from us.
Psa 103:13, Like as a father pitieth his children, so the LORD pitieth them that fear him.
Psa 103:14, For he knoweth our frame; he remembereth that we are dust.
Psa 103:15, As for man, his days are as grass: as a flower of the field, so he flourisheth.
Psa 103:16, For the wind passeth over it, and it is gone; and the place thereof shall know it no more.
Psa 103:17, But the mercy of the LORD is from everlasting to everlasting upon them that fear him, and his righteousness unto children's children;
Psa 103:18, To such as keep his covenant, and to those that remember his commandments to do them.

Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and for ever (Hebrews 13:8).

Jhn 15:12, This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.
Jhn 15:13, Greater love hath no man than this,
that a man lay down his life for his friends.
Jhn 15:14, Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.


Jesus laid down His life for His friends. You are His friend, if you do what He commands.

What does He command; but that we love one another?

Rom 13:8, Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
Rom 13:9, For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Rom 13:10, Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

We are to "love thy neighbor as thyself"; and this consists of obeying God's commandments:

1Jo 5:3, For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

2Jo 1:6, And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.


The God of the Old Testament and the God of the New Testament are one and the same God. Jesus is the same YHWH. (Hebrews 13:8).

So, the commandments in the Old Covenant, as moral tenets which we are to follow, are still valid. They are the commandments of the LORD (Jesus).

Of course, commandments as concerning animal sacrifices are fulfilled in that Jesus died on the Cross as the fulfillment of those types. However, moral tenets are binding when it comes to what we read in the Old Testament. If we love our neighbor as ourselves, we will fulfill them; we will not violate them in our behaviour.

And I will say that the scriptures above do show that forgiveness is applied to those who, as a general rule, keep the commandments of the LORD.

It is not that we are saved through law-keeping.

It is that, if we are truly born again, we are inclined towards obedience.


There is a repentance that must take place in your heart in order to become a recipient of the Lord's forgiveness.

You must become Jesus' friend; and only then has He given His life for you.

You are His friend if you obey His commandments.

Jesus is the God of the Old and New Testaments.

If you love the Lord your God with all of your heart, soul, mind, and strength; and your neighbor as yourself: you will fulfill the righteousness of the law in your behaviour.

You will not be violating any law if you bear the fruit of the Spirit (Galatians 5:22-23).

The venue by which we obtain this righteousness is apart from the law; nevertheless this righteousness is attested to by the law and the prophets that it is righteousness indeed (Romans 3:21).

You must obtain the Holy Spirit through faith in Christ (Galatians 3:14); and then, as you walk not after the flesh but after the Spirit, the righteousness of the law will be fulfilled in you (Romans 8:4).

There is no law that will condemn your behaviour if you bear the fruit of the Spirit (Galatians 5:22-23).

So, you will not be disobedient to the commandments of the Lord if you are born again of the Holy Spirit. You will be a friend of Jesus according to the scriptures in question.
 

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One of the people who preach works and water on this forum, justbyfaith recently wrote a deceptive Thread that told you that God's forgiveness= is gained by you keeping commandments.

So, let me assure you that this is not true.
Let me assure you that your forgiveness, ...was ONLY gained for you by the Holy One who """"by his own BLOOD Jesus entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us."""
Hebrews 9:12

Did you read that Jesus OBTAINED >Eternal Redemption< for you?
This means it can never be ended. Its "eternal". Eternal according to God who made it so., who created it so.

Well, justbyfaith says that this redemption, that is the forgiveness of your sin, is gained by "keeping commandments".
That is the TITLE of his Thread.

So, to teach THAT deception., is to deny the Cross openly, knowingly, willfully.

Notice that my Thread's TITLE is....>"commandments OR Cross"?

He chose commandments.
I choose the Cross.
What do you choose to be reconciled to God by having all your sin forgiven?
Justbyfaith wants you to choose "commandment keeping" to be "forgiven".
I tell you to trust the Holy One who..."by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us."""
Trust in the blood to forgive you., and never anything else that someone tells you that denies the Cross of Christ.

Let me assure you that God does not forgive you based on "keeping commandments", as a deceiver would teach you, but rather, God forgives you based on His Mercy and Grace, that forgives you and give you eternal redemption = only through the blood of Jesus.

And let me give you one more, Saint.

Never think, never believe that God's blessings come to you, based on your behavior.
They do not.
Correction comes based on your wrong behavior, but BLESSINGS come only based on God's Goodness.
See, everything with God, that comes to you as your Salvation....and that is your forgiveness of all your sin, you being "made righteous", your Eternal life, your health, your financial security, your peace of mind, your protection, and your answered prayers, all come to you as part of the "GIFT of Salvation".
God is good to you, not because you are good.
God is good to you because GOD is good, and God's mercy endures forever on your behalf.
God is good to you, not based on you, but based on what Christ did for you on THE CROSS.

That's God's GRACE, and it is truly Amazing.

Well, Behold, once again I find fault in your posts!

Anyone can read justbyfaith's thread and see that your accusations are false. It may be that you only read the title and assumed.

A few weeks back I asked justbyfaith to come to a heathen forum I have been on for some time to teach and preach.

He came and he taught and preached! Not one time did he teach or preach anything that you have accused him of.
 

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That is an abject lie; which you have concluded by judging a thread by its title; without looking at the content of the thread to see what is written therein.

Forgiveness does not come by the Law, or by keeping commandments.
If it did, then Jesus didnt have to DIE on The Cross.
 

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Well, Behold, once again I find fault in your posts!

Anyone can read justbyfaith's thread and see that your accusations are false. It may be that you only read the title and assumed.

A few weeks back I asked justbyfaith to come to a heathen forum I have been on for some time to teach and preach.

He came and he taught and preached! Not one time did he teach or preach anything that you have accused him of.

Well im sorry to hear it.
He teaches water and works and that you can lose your salvation.
So, he didnt help anyone there, unless he completely revised his theology on the way to the forum.
= not a chance.

So....Here is what Justbyfaith wrote... on his keep the commandments Thread

""And I will say that the scriptures above do show that forgiveness is applied to those who, as a general rule, keep the commandments of the LORD.""""

So, What he wrote is a Cross denying lie.
As its not by keeping commandments that we gain, keep, or earn , forgiveness.
Forgiveness is never based on our behavior, or our self effore.
Forgiveness is only based on Christ's Sacrifice, Death, and Resurrection.
 

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Well im sorry to hear it.
He teaches water and works and that you can lose your salvation.
So, he didnt help anyone there, unless he completely revised his theology on the way to the forum.
= not a chance.

So....Here is what Justbyfaith wrote... on his keep the commandments Thread

""And I will say that the scriptures above do show that forgiveness is applied to those who, as a general rule, keep the commandments of the LORD.""""

So, What he wrote is a Cross denying lie.
As its not by keeping commandments that we gain, keep, or earn , forgiveness.
Forgiveness is never based on our behavior, or our self effore.
Forgiveness is only based on Christ's Sacrifice, Death, and Resurrection.

I took this from the accused thread by justbyfaith.

"The venue by which we obtain this righteousness is apart from the law; nevertheless this righteousness is attested to by the law and the prophets that it is righteousness indeed (Romans 3:21).

You must obtain the Holy Spirit through faith in Christ (Galatians 3:14); and then, as you walk not after the flesh but after the Spirit, the righteousness of the law will be fulfilled in you (Romans 8:4)."

This is not Law-keeping Behold! But you don't won't to read this part, you enjoy condemning others that disagree with you.

Your spirit is not in accord with our Lord, Behold. It's time for some soul searching my friend! Just some friendly advise.
 
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So....Here is what Justbyfaith wrote... on his keep the commandments Thread

""And I will say that the scriptures above do show that forgiveness is applied to those who, as a general rule, keep the commandments of the LORD.""""

This has obviously been taken out of the context of the whole of the post.

Allow me to once again clarify by saying what I mean by the word above.

Not that we keep the commandments of the LORD in order to be saved;

But that if we are truly born again of the Holy Spirit, the love of the Lord is shed abroad in our hearts (Romans 5:5)...

And as the result of that love the commandments of the Lord (the righteousness of the law) are (is) fulfilled in us (Romans 13:8-10, Galatians 5:14, 1 John 5:3, 2 John 1:6, Romans 8:4).

It is that the sure result of being redeemed by the blood of the Lamb is that we will keep His commandments.

It is not that we are saved by or through keeping the commandments (for we are saved by and through faith in Jesus)....

But that we are saved unto keeping the commandments (Ephesians 2:10, for example)...

And, therefore, if we are not keeping the commandments, we ought to question as to whether we have been genuinely born again (Philippians 2:12, 2 Peter 1:10, 2 Corinthians 13:5).
 

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God's forgiveness= is gained by you keeping commandments.
Obviously, if you keep the commandments, you don't need forgiveness.

But I think there is a lack of appreciation of God's holiness, as if, we can "keep the commandments maybe in our own eyes, but I think anyone who thinks they are Keeping the Commandments, IE, keeping the Law, doesn't really understand what that mean.

Much love!
 

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Notice that my Thread's TITLE is....>"commandments OR Cross"?

Hebrews 10:18-20 KJV
18) Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.
19) Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,
20) By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;

NOT by the old way, through the Levital law and priesthood, but a completely NEW way, through Jesus.

Yes, this is the choice we make, by commandments, or by the cross. Hint: No one keeps the Law.

Much love!
 

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Obviously, if you keep the commandments, you don't need forgiveness.

Sure you do; for you sinned before you started obeying (1 John 1:10)

Hint: No one keeps the Law.

In one sense true (Galatians 6:13); as concerning the letter of the law (Romans 7:6).

We can be obedient to the spirit of the law as we walk not after the flesh but after the Spirit (Romans 8:4).
 

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Sure you do; for you sinned before you started obeying

If you keep the commandments, there is nothing to forgive.

But you are correct, there are none who do not sin. We remain in conflict with our flesh until our flesh is transformed.

Those who teach such things here, such as that we "stop sinning", seem to always end up revealing themselves in their impatience, or impertinance, or misrepresentation, their "gotcha" moments, labeling and deflection, all those various things which are not open and honest and humble commitment to each other being built up in the faith.

So much I see is "tit for tat", scoring points off of each other. All the sniping and backbiting, and "SEE! You're the fool!", I'm certain you know what I'm talking about.

We talk about keeping the commandments of the Law, with every conversation I read, I ask myself, who is there that appreciates the holiness of God? Thinking that we keep His Law, but we pick and choose which ones, making it our own Law. No one keeps the Mosaic Law, No One is able to. It's not even possible anymore!

All that's left is trust in Jesus.

Focus on the Law, focus on works instead of faith, takes you down the wrong road. Works, Law, that's all 'sight'. Your perception of yourself.

Our walk is by faith. Stop looking at yourself. That's for me too! Looking at myself, well, so much better keeping my eyes on Jesus!

Much love!
 

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If you keep the commandments, there is nothing to forgive.

But you are correct, there are none who do not sin. We remain in conflict with our flesh until our flesh is transformed.

Those who teach such things here, such as that we "stop sinning", seem to always end up revealing themselves in their impatience, or impertinance, or misrepresentation, their "gotcha" moments, labeling and deflection, all those various things which are not open and honest and humble commitment to each other being built up in the faith.

So much I see is "tit for tat", scoring points off of each other. All the sniping and backbiting, and "SEE! You're the fool!", I'm certain you know what I'm talking about.

We talk about keeping the commandments of the Law, with every conversation I read, I ask myself, who is there that appreciates the holiness of God? Thinking that we keep His Law, but we pick and choose which ones, making it our own Law. No one keeps the Mosaic Law, No One is able to. It's not even possible anymore!

All that's left is trust in Jesus.

Focus on the Law, focus on works instead of faith, takes you down the wrong road. Works, Law, that's all 'sight'. Your perception of yourself.

Our walk is by faith. Stop looking at yourself. That's for me too! Looking at myself, well, so much better keeping my eyes on Jesus!

Much love!
Yes, our walk is by faith.

And through faith we receive the Holy Spirit (Galatians 3:14).

And if we walk not after the flesh but after the Spirit, the righteousness of the law will be fulfilled in us (Romans 8:4).

The fact that many who preach entire sanctification have not yet obtained that second benefit, in no way precludes that it is not a biblical doctrine.

There are those who do not sin...those who are currently abiding in Christ (1 John 3:6).

They may sin again the moment that they stop abiding.

But the goal is to consistently abide for the rest of our lives.

It is in fact possible to abide in Him for ever more (1 John 2:17).

Therefore, it is not inevitable but that we will sin in the future.

We can walk in freedom (John 8:31-36) and victory (1 Corinthians 15:57) for the rest of our lives (1 John 3:9).
 

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I never misrepresent you.
I just quote you, and your Thread's Title's.
You have misrepresented me by taking my words out of the context of the fulness of the posts that your quotations of me are located in.
 

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You have misrepresented me by taking my words out of the context of the fulness of the posts that your quotations of me are located in.

I dont take your words out of context, justbyfaith
What i do, is edit your post, so that your exact words are clearly seen by MODS< GOD, and Members.
So, do not accuse me, liar.

And regarding your "we are forgiven if we keep the commandments" heresy Thread.
I posted the TITLE, so that there was no misunderstanding your false Gospel, that is the title of your Thread.
I read some of your Thread, and its is the same as the TITLE.
You do try to play both sides of the Cross, by trying to both give some Credit to Christ and some credit to commandments.
So, that a spiritual failure, and theological rot everytime you do it again.

so, be careful with your False Accusations, as you already have enough to deal with by resisting the Grace of God and omitting the Cross of Christ in most of your posts.
 
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