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Behold

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******A warning to guests and new Christians******
The people that are pushing the OSAS doctrine om this thread are not inline with Christian morals, ethics, are values.
It is a false teaching that can lead to loss of salvation and a judgment to hell. Danger is here in this thread. BEWARE!

Warning to self savers like Grailhunter, who do not give full Credit to Jesus The Christ's BLOOD for "eternal redemption".
You are denying the Cross.

Readers,
Notice carefully this person's "im saving myself", theology.
Notice carefully that this person, grailhunter, does not Give Christ ALONE FULL Credit for Salvation, but changes the "Gift of Righteousness' into, "water is required" and other lies.

Mark this person.
The Apostle Paul already has : Galatians 1:8
 

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Do you take faith as grace or what? I think this is very much relevant.

No. I already defined it
Faith = Belief + Action

Romans 5:2 explains that faith establishes grace. I think this is very much relevant. Belief is valueless apart from action. Belief is lip service.
 

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No. I already defined it
Faith = Belief + Action

Romans 5:2 explains that faith establishes grace. I think this is very much relevant. Belief is valueless apart from action. Belief is lip service.

Belief + action, is Faith + Works.

God's Grace is denied when you try to ADD works to the SHED Blood of Jesus.
Dont do that. = Galatians 1:8
 
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He told them “if ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed”.
.....and if you don't continue in my word you're not my disciple. What's so hard to understand about that? Why are you adding Osas bias to a simple statement of Jesus'?
 

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This side of the Cross.....in the Age Of Grace ....Jesus left us with only Two Commands..1john 3:23 ....”And this is His Command: Believe in His Son, Jesus Christ and Love one another....”

Irrelevant. Are you subscribing to abrogation?

He gave us 49 commands. Not sure how you justify ignoring the commands of the Lord?
 

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Belief + action, is Faith + Works.

God's Grace is denied when you try to ADD works to the SHED Blood of Jesus.
Dont do that. = Galatians 1:8
Don't separate obedience from the faith that justifies! Stop it, heretic, lol!

The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself in love. Galatians 5:6​

Even Paul says dead faith is not the faith that justifies!
 

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Warning to self savers like Grailhunter, who do not give full Credit to Jesus The Christ's BLOOD for "eternal redemption".
You are denying the Cross.

Readers,
Notice carefully this person's "im saving myself", theology.
Notice carefully that this person, grailhunter, does not Give Christ ALONE FULL Credit for Salvation, but changes the "Gift of Righteousness' into, "water is required" and other lies.

Mark this person.
The Apostle Paul already has : Galatians 1:8
Repent from your evil doctrine
 

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Being saved from the PRESENCE of sin (which involves growing in grace/maturing in Christ - working "out" our salvation and not working for our salvation - Philippians 2:12-13) involves our participation, yet it is still God who works in us to will and to do for His good pleasure.
True but Life[noun] is your Salvation.....you already received it if you were born....so you see you did not have to add "not" work for.

But in order to know what you have which is also deliverence by the the Spirit you must work it out.

For to know what you have is eternal life.

Example 1 John 5:20 and :

And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.

If you see that the life is in [location]His son
the life has to be worked[lived] out.

You will not know what you have until you Live it out....

The whole key is to live in the presence of God Now.....and we were Shown the model, the way, the life of Jesus.

If you live in His presence Now then that is your assurance...because you know your sins have been forgiven.

God is not the God of the dead but the Living.


And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

23Jesus replied, “If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word. My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him. JOHN 14
 

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Belief + action, is Faith + Works.

God's Grace is denied when you try to ADD works to the SHED Blood of Jesus.
Dont do that. = Galatians 1:8
People need to be careful about defining belief/faith "as" actions/works. Now although belief/faith results in actions appropriate to the belief/faith (to one degree or the other/all genuine believers are fruitful, yet not all are equally fruitful) - but the actions are NOT INHERENT in the belief/faith.

I was once in a discussion with a Roman Catholic and I clarified to him that we are saved by grace through faith, not works (Ephesians 2:8,9) and the Roman Catholic said he agreed and he also said that the Roman Catholic church does not teach salvation by works. Then after we discussed it a little deeper, it turns out the Roman Catholic interpreted Ephesians 2:8,9 as such: Saved by grace through faith "infused" with works.

I discovered the ROOT of the problem for this Roman Catholic who also made this statement below:

We ARE saved by faith - as long as you properly define "Faith". Faith is NOT simply "believing". Faith INCLUDES: Being baptized, eating His body and drinking His blood/partaking the Lord's Supper during Mass, works of mercy and charity, obeying his commandments, doing the will of the Father etc..

His argument about the Roman Catholic church not teaching salvation by works and about faith being "defined as" and INCLUDES these works above is just sugar coated double talk and equates to salvation through faith (his version of faith) + works. I've seen others make the same error by trying to re-define faith and "shoe horn" works "into" salvation through faith.
 

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Belief + action, is Faith + Works.

God's Grace is denied when you try to ADD works to the SHED Blood of Jesus.
Dont do that. = Galatians 1:8

You lack discernment. Works in the Bible and action (work) are not synonyms.

Romans 5:2 explains the process begins with our work, our faith establishes grace.
 

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Nope. You are stuck in infancy, only taking in milk when you should be on solid food by now.

There is no adding "obedience" to the Blood of Jesus, to try to keep yourself saved.
See, adding "works"t to the Cross, denies the finished work of Jesus.
Dont do that.
 

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Galatians 2:16 "faith of Jesus Christ" needs to be understood as "faithfulness of Jesus Christ".

Galatians 3:23 But before faith came, we were kept under guard by the law, kept for the faith which would afterward be revealed.

Do you notice something in the way Paul speak of faith in that passage?

He spoke of it in the same way in v.25

25 But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor.

What are your thoughts on that?

Tong
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You lack discernment. Works in the Bible and action (work) are not synonyms.

Romans 5:2 explains the process begins with our work, our faith establishes grace.

You have not only misunderstood the verse, but you have misused it to try to prove that salvation is your obedience.

The verse says we have GAINED access into God's Grace by "faith".
What does that mean?
It means that to have the Blood Atonement applied to you as "the gift of Righteousness', you are to BELIEVE IN JESUS, and when you do, God recognized this BELIEF (faith), and then you are "justified by faith", as "faith is accounted (accepted), to qualify you for God's "gift of Righteousness".

You do not "work" for that, and your obedience that is your discipleship, happens AFTER you are already saved.
So, that means, you are "made righteous", before you start to try to "present your body a living sacrifice".

What does that mean, wrangler?

It means that you live holy BECAUSE you are already holy, and not to try to become or maintain your salvation.
 

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The only obedience that God requires to redeem the world is the Cross of Christ.

So, listen ferris bueller and justbyfaith and grailhunter and wrangler and other Grace deniers..
I wrote a Thread just for you, among others ive written just for you 4, recently.

Salvation = God's Blood.

Well this is what scripture states: Therefore I'll stand with the word.



Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent. John 6:29

To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
 
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Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent. John 6:29

To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

Yes that's what i teach.
 
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