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Wrangler

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There is no adding "obedience" to the Blood of Jesus, to try to keep yourself saved.

That’s where we disagree.

If what you are saying is true, then universalism is correct doctrine. Or do you concede some work on our part is necessary to be saved initially? If not, what is the purpose of the Great Commission?

What is your sick obsession with blood?
 

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The only obedience that God requires to redeem the world is the Cross of Christ.
We know that. What you're not getting is it takes your believing, not your works, to apply the work of Christ to your account. And the faith that does that is a faith that finds it's expression in obedience to God's commands, summed up in 'love your neighbor as yourself'. Even Paul said that!
 
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You do not "work" for that

WRONG! That is where you are dead wrong! Faith is action, work, just not ‘works’ as the Bible means it.

As someone else pointed out, Grace is not opposed to effort, only the earned. You have no response but to repeat yourself.
 

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There is no adding "obedience" to the Blood of Jesus, to try to keep yourself saved.
See, adding "works"t to the Cross, denies the finished work of Jesus.
Dont do that.
Wasn't it obedience To the Command...to repent and believe the Good News, The Gospel...that we receive forgiveness.

And after receiving forgiveness don't we need to obey the command to walk by the Spirit to continue to be forgiven.

So you are Wrong....
In Ephesians 2:8 the saving there was in reference to being dead....no one was quickened there by their own works.

And after they received the Spirit they do nothing without it. BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THEY DO NOTHING AT ALL....IF THEY do NOTHING THEN NOTHING WILL BE DONE...BUT THEY DO IT WITH THE HELP OF THE Spirit.
 

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Then OSAS is a license to sin - and universalism is correct doctrine.
God did not save a person and securely keep him, that he may be free to sin. On the contrary, He created him anew in Christ, so that he does the good works which He have prepared in advance, for him to do.

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No I agree with scripture....I am not going to throw out the Baby with the bath water.
Do you believe that we are saved by grace through faith, not works or through faith and works? I have even heard certain people say that we are saved through faith + “these” works (good works/works of obedience etc..) and just not “those” works (works of the law).
 

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Ok, "What MUST I do to be SAVED"?

First, one who ask such question is one who had obviously changed his mind towards God, reminiscent of the Jailer in Acts 16. That is, that he already believed in God is indicative in his asking the question. “What MUST I do to be saved”? Paul in response to the question said, “Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved”.

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His argument about the Roman Catholic church not teaching salvation by works and about faith being "defined as" and INCLUDES these works above is just sugar coated double talk and equates to salvation through faith (his version of faith) + works. I've seen others make the same error by trying to re-define faith and "shoe horn" works "into" salvation through faith.
This is where one has to keep the distinction between being justified and being saved.
 

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Why, was there in those scriptures that says that they have indeed cast out demons, prophesied, and done many wonders? Was there in those scriptures that tells is of it was the work of God that was performed through them? If there be any indication regarding that, can be found in v.23.
You didn't answer my question because it destroys OSAS!

"Are you really saying none of these "MANY" who did all these things in the Name of Jesus were NEVER saved?"
I answered your question. It’s there in my post, unless you missed it.

Adding to my answer, let me remind you what Jesus said to them, the many referred to in b.22, “I NEVER KNEW YOU”. Is that telling you that some were saved?

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To be a Christian is to follow Christ in totality of the word. Arrogance will get you nowhere. You are already lost calling on Christ Jesus when he and his people were Hebrew and there are no J’s in Hebrew. If you are going to speak about my name as a knock to me informing people. But I’m suppose to respect someone who calls on the wrong name of one their almighty god and two his son and three the children of God.
LOL Paul literally spoke Greek, and wrote His Name out in Greek (eg, Iesous), and told people to call on the Hellenized form you absolute joke. LOL
Why are you so obsessed with "respect"?
 
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I answered your question. It’s there in my post, unless you missed it.

Adding to my answer, let me remind you what Jesus said to them, the many referred to in b.22, “I NEVER KNEW YOU”. Is that telling you that some were saved?

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"I never knew you" does not prove OSAS. God knows everything. He knew who would backslide. You're twisting Scripture to fit OSAS. To say that NONE of these MANY who clearly believed in Jesus were never saved is total OSAS propaganda and FAR beyond insanity. It's Satanic!

Matthew 7:22 (NKJV)
22 Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?'
 

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That’s where we disagree.

If what you are saying is true, then universalism is correct doctrine. Or do you concede some work on our part is necessary to be saved initially? If not, what is the purpose of the Great Commission?

What is your sick obsession with blood?
Justification+sanctification is Salvation

But...when you are trusting something Jesus did as the Foundational principle as to secure salvation so you can have heaven when you die.

He/she can't see the full picture. Because the cart has been put before the Horse.

But one needs to:

Trust Jesus for who He is.......not what you can get from Him...and then practically are saying you don't need Him anymore.

What good would the resurrection mean?

But this is what scripture pts out:

But being Reconciled by His death[this is salvation]...for we were once apart.

The passage goes on to say How much more will we be saved by His life.

This is not done without having received His Spirit......in order that we work out our salvation, or another way to say Live by the Spirit, or another way to say Grow in grace.

She/He needs to know that
The Full Gospel.......That the kingdom is a available now for any one who believes Jesus is really it and intends to follow.

Are there benifits, yes blessings.....
 

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Blood Bought 1953 ~
Question:
Did you say "unbelievers" will go to heaven?

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One who is an Unbeliever his entire life is damned

A Believer who got confused or fell into Error and lost their Faith , if that is even possible , I think will be brought back to Faith before they die. If they are not brought back and die in a state of Unbelief , I think there is hope for them because Jesus said that even though we may become “ unfaithful”.....” HE” Remains Faithful......
Also, Jesus says when you get Saved you ALREADY HAVE Eternal Life and NOTHING can make you come under Condemnation.....he says that no Future Act can take you from the Father’s Grip....if you got Saved and then lost your Faith, that mistake would be a future event that happened after you got Saved.....and should not count against you....you are still in His grasp...

The Bible says that” Anybody that asks to be Saved, WILL be Saved” .....no matter WHAT happens to a person that sincerely sees that he is a Lost Sinner and at ANY Point in his life, turns to God with Faith in Jesus Christ —- that guy is gonna be Saved . The most important thing in the universe is at stake—- God’s Word.The Onus is on “Him” to “ Finish what He started”..... He can handle it . He WILL handle it.He will NOT go back on His Word.....it is impossible...Despite a person’s error and Stupidity....
 

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Do you believe that we are saved by grace through faith, not works or through faith and works? I have even heard certain people say that we are saved through faith + “these” works (good works/works of obedience etc..) and just not “those” works (works of the law).
Yes I believe we are saved by grace through faith.
But I also believe the faith that saves is a faith that works.
For Jesus obeyed the father unto death...
If He did not take action...to die so that we could live by His resurrected Spirit then
We would be dead in our sins. HE IS THE MODEL FOR US.....we are to present our bodies as a living sacrifice. You do not believe that takes work?
 

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Yes I believe we are saved by grace through faith.
But I also believe the faith that saves is a faith that works.
For Jesus obeyed the father unto death...
If He did not take action...to die so that we could live by His resurrected Spirit then
We would be dead in our sins. HE IS THE MODEL FOR US.....we are to present our bodies as a living sacrifice. You do not believe that takes work?
Presenting our bodies as a living sacrifice does take work, but our best efforts to do so is not the basis or means by which we obtain salvation.
 

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let me remind you what Jesus said to them, the many referred to in b.22, “I NEVER KNEW YOU”.
It's not as simple and straightforward as Osas would like to think it is.

Because Jesus is referring to the common people that associated with him in the streets (see Luke 13:26-27), the operation of their gifts does suggest that they would have had to be saved in order to have those gifts, as opposed to receiving them by virtue of possessing an official office apart from salvation (i.e. Caiaphas, John 11:51-53. And of course, Judas). Or their gifts were fake. We just don't know. Add to that, we don't know if Jesus is talking about 'knowing' them in salvation, or 'knowing' them in an intimate relationship, because the Bible does refer to 'knowing' meaning either salvation or intimacy of relationship. We see in the Parable of the Sower that the word of God failed to grow after it was planted in the second type of soil because of immaturity and lack of depth. So 'I never knew you', in the context of the whole counsel of the Bible is not necessarily the conclusive proof that they were never saved that Osas claims it is.
 
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Are you only saved when you believe (belief) and have faith on the Lord Jesus Christ?

What are you saved from? ~ All the world has been saved from their Sin - by the blood shed of Christ Jesus. ~ Are? all saved to the kingdom of Heaven?

No, they (all people ) are not saved the kingdom of heaven ? Why?

Due to the hardening of their heart in disbelief - unbelief - no faith ~ no pleasing God.

Can people who follow God have ups and downs through it's life? Even to the point of letting go of God and Jesus Christ Completely? Are they able to come back to God? Yes of course they can, but sometimes people do give up on God, and hope, and faith.

What are your thoughts about these things?
<<<Can people who follow God have ups and downs through it's life? >>>

Yes.

<<<Even to the point of letting go of God and Jesus Christ Completely?>>>

No for the true Christian.

<<<Are they able to come back to God?>>>

This question would not really apply to those who were not true followers of Jesus. Should they later come to truly believe, they really have not come back, but are then at that point truly converted.

As for the true followers of Jesus, this is what scriptures says:

Heb.6:4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, 5 and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, 6 if they fall away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame.

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<<<Can people who follow God have ups and downs through it's life? >>>

Yes.

<<<Even to the point of letting go of God and Jesus Christ Completely?>>>

No for the true Christian.

There it is again; that odd ex post facto invocation of not knowing a true Christian until ... wait for it .... action is observed.
 
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