Is death hiding everlasting Life from carnal minds?

pittsburghjoe · May 11, 2021

Is satan one of the placed cherubim that hide the Tree of Life?

Genesis 3:24 says, “He drove out the man, and at the east of the garden of Eden he placed the cherubim and a flaming sword that turned every way to guard the way to the tree of life.”

"flaming sword" (God's Righteous Word) is guarding the goal of the test, Life

The cherubim hide Life (from carnal minds), so God's Righteous Word is the way to find it.

The Jews were given Law of the flesh to find Life via Righteousness

The Christians were given Law of the heart to find Life via Righteousness

sin in the Garden
They spiritually died, became a dead free will spirit.
God was starting the test of this reality by not letting them eat from the Tree of Life (Christ)..everlasting life.

Human spirit = your perception of reality using either fallen Free Will or righteous Free Will

The test is the meaning of life ..opening the door ..accessing God/Everlasting Life

The lie of the tempter, that we wouldn't die, is why we are here. he represented death which equates separation from God. The tempter's lie is what leads to the illusions that disguise the spiritual. That's why Jesus said He was The Truth and The Way.

Truth is ignoring the illusions (lies) and allowing God in our lives (Love).

I think this reality allows those that want to ignore God to find any excuse they want.

pittsburghjoe · May 11, 2021

Genesis 3:24 says, “He drove out the man, and at the east of the garden of Eden he placed the cherubim and a flaming sword that turned every way to guard the way to the tree of life.”

Why didn't I catch this before? Jesus is The Way to the Tree of Life.

Amazed@grace · May 11, 2021

Interesting.

The serpent in the garden is thought to have been Satan. But many think it was a reference to Kundalini, sexual desire and orgasm.
Because while Satan is considered the adversary, the adversary of whom? Not God, else he wouldn't be let back into heaven to confer with God.
More like, as the cherubim blocking the way to the tree of life,
Satan is our adversary.
"one who opposes, obstructs, or acts as an adversary."
satan | Origin and meaning of the name satan by Online Etymology Dictionary

pittsburghjoe · May 11, 2021

Amazed@grace said:
Interesting.
The serpent in the garden is thought to have been Satan. But many think it was a reference to Kundalini, sexual desire and orgasm.
Because while Satan is considered the adversary, the adversary of whom? Not God, else he wouldn't be let back into heaven to confer with God.
More like, as the cherubim blocking the way to the tree of life,
Satan is our adversary.
"one who opposes, obstructs, or acts as an adversary."
satan | Origin and meaning of the name satan by Online Etymology Dictionary

Did one of the cherubim go dark and become the beast?

pittsburghjoe · May 11, 2021

The Garden of Eden was giving us the meaning of Life.

How do you "guard" the Tree of Life? You hide it with illusions.

Amazed@grace · May 11, 2021

pittsburghjoe said:
Did one of the cherubim go dark and become the beast?

LOL
Maybe. Though I think the beast is a level of consciousness.
Think of how beasts are described in scriptures prior to Revelations beast.

And Antichrist is that which is the opponent of Christ. Or, could they be the opponent of humanity? And if so, who's he working for?

antichrist | Origin and meaning of antichrist by Online Etymology Dictionary

I'm thinking the mark of the beast in scripture, 666. In traditional numerology all numbers under consideration are not to excede 9.
Any numbers considered in a numerological spread, exceeding 9, are to be added together until a single number is achieved.

So, for instance, 666 would be added together to equal 18. Then you add 8+1=9.
The Meaning Of The Number Nine (Tet - ט)

However Hebrew numerology, Gematria, is different.
Letters correspond to numbers. Numbers range from 1 to 400.

Maybe 666 and "beast" work out some way as a prophetic message in the Gematria?

Hebrew Numerology

pittsburghjoe · May 11, 2021

Can satan deceive because he had the ability/free will as a cherub? Are there still good cherubim just doing their job, hiding the Tree of Life, without looking for worship?

lucifer is a big fan of hiding the Tree of Life.
Was the tempter a cherub?

What does "son of the morning" mean?

Could God placing Cherubim guarding the Tree of Life ..mean all Cherubim?

Amazed@grace · May 11, 2021

pittsburghjoe said:
Can satan deceive because he had the ability/free will as a cherub? Are there still good cherubim just doing their job, hiding the Tree of Life, without looking for worship?

lucifer is a big fan of hiding the Tree of Life.
Was the tempter a cherub?

What does "son of the morning" mean?

Could God placing Cherubim guarding the Tree of Life ..mean all Cherubim?

Good questions.
Why are both Jesus and Satan referred to as morning star?
Why Are Both Jesus and Satan Referred to as the Morning Star?

pittsburghjoe · May 11, 2021

Amazed@grace said:
Good questions.
Why are both Jesus and Satan referred to as morning star?
Why Are Both Jesus and Satan Referred to as the Morning Star?

Not so fast ..I don't think "star" is part of it for lucifer.

Amazed@grace · May 11, 2021

pittsburghjoe said:
Not so fast ..I don't think "star" is part of it for lucifer.

Did you read the linked information?
Isaiah 14:12
Revelation 22:16

marks · May 11, 2021

pittsburghjoe said:
Did one of the cherubim go dark and become the beast?

The dragon.

Much love!

marks · May 11, 2021

Amazed@grace said:
Interesting.
The serpent in the garden is thought to have been Satan. But many think it was a reference to Kundalini, sexual desire and orgasm.
Because while Satan is considered the adversary, the adversary of whom? Not God, else he wouldn't be let back into heaven to confer with God.
More like, as the cherubim blocking the way to the tree of life,
Satan is our adversary.
"one who opposes, obstructs, or acts as an adversary."
satan | Origin and meaning of the name satan by Online Etymology Dictionary

Satan, the adversary of man.

I think Satan's crime was not pride, though very similar to it. Envy. When the Covering Cherub realized that it was these ridiculous little Mud People that God had patted together, then breathed life into, when he realized that God's intent was to raise THEM up to be with Him, I think Satan's reaction was, Not them, ME! I will be like the Most High! I will set in the congregation! ME!!

And now, his goal seems to be to prevent mankind from fulfilling that destiny.

That's my thinking, anyway!

Much love!

Amazed@grace · May 11, 2021

marks said:
Satan, the adversary of man.

I think Satan's crime was not pride, though very similar to it. Envy. When the Covering Cherub realized that it was these ridiculous little Mud People that God had patted together, then breathed life into, when he realized that God's intent was to raise THEM up to be with Him, I think Satan's reaction was, Not them, ME! I will be like the Most High! I will set in the congregation! ME!!

And now, his goal seems to be to prevent mankind from fulfilling that destiny.

That's my thinking, anyway!

Much love!

That could be.
Then again, Satan could be on a global mission like unto his focused one with Job.

Satan and all he does in this world against both saints and sinners could be to test the faithful resolve of the saints, as in the case of Job.

And using those who are already his, the non-elect, the eternally unrepentant sinners, in the course of those tests.

marks · May 11, 2021

Amazed@grace said:
That could be.
Then again, Satan could be on a global mission like unto his focused one with Job.

Satan and all he does in this world against both saints and sinners could be to test the faithful resolve of the saints, as in the case of Job.

And using those who are already his, the non-elect, the eternally unrepentant sinners, in the course of those tests.

I think God used Satan against Job to show that God was the better judge of human nature.

Much love!

pittsburghjoe · May 11, 2021

marks said:
The dragon.

Much love!

Please read my other comments in the thread ..you might not agree with what I'm getting at.

Amazed@grace · May 11, 2021

marks said:
I think God used Satan against Job to show that God was the better judge of human nature.

Much love!

I thought God saves us from human nature.

pittsburghjoe · May 11, 2021

Do cherubim use death to hide life?
Was lucifer the top cherub?
Is he still one, but fallen?
Could the rest of the fallen angels be cherub?
Did they abuse death and make themselves think it was ok to go against God?

pittsburghjoe · May 11, 2021

Did they eat from the Tree of Knowledge?
Was death like a drug to them?
How many angels does it take to hide the Tree of Life?
Are all the cherubim flushed out of Heaven now, but they continue to hide the Tree of Life because they want to?

pittsburghjoe · May 11, 2021

Ezekiel 28:16-17
By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.

17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.

Covering cherub = obstructing presence

sounds like an illusion to me

Ezekiel is OT ..curious. Is it telling us he was satan at this point? I can't figure out why they didn't name him here.

pittsburghjoe · May 11, 2021

When God placed cherubim to hide the Tree of Life ..was it the same as casting satan and the rest of fallen angels to earth?

Is there such thing as a good cherub?

How else does a good God hide the Tree of Life? He had a batch of self-corrupted angels that could do it. God isn't responsible for their fall so there isn't a rule that says He isn't allowed to put them to "work".

Is it why fallen angels didn't go straight to a lake of fire?

Is death hiding everlasting Life from carnal minds?

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