Does the Jews and Israel exist?

Keraz · May 23, 2021

Curtis said:
Who is the new covenant with? The Houses of Judah and Israel.

It is clear who the House of Judah are now. But who and where are the House of Israel, the ten Northern tribes?
Don't think they have already rejoined as that idea contradicts Ezekiel 37 and the blessings to come. As does the New Covenant.

Christians are the true Israelites of God, from every race, nation and language. Jew and Gentile, rich and poor, etc.
WE will occupy all of the holy Land, Isaiah 35, Ezekiel 34:11-16, Romans 9:24-26. We are seen there in Daniel 7:25 and Revelation 13:7

The Jewish State of Israel will be Judged and punished on the forthcoming Day of the Lord's fiery wrath. Zephaniah 1:1-18, Jeremiah 10:18 Only a remnant will survive. Isaiah 6:11-13, Romans 9:27

theefaith · May 23, 2021

CharismaticLady said:
No.

Please explain
Matt 21:33-46

Matt 21:43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

CharismaticLady · May 23, 2021

theefaith said:
Please explain
Matt 21:33-46

Matt 21:43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

What I mean is that God has not abandoned national Israel as "Replacement Theology" suggests. We see that clearly when in 1948 Israel became a nation, and in 1967 we saw the supernatural outcome from God of the 6 Day War when Jerusalem was won.

The Church would be better described as Spiritual Israel, the new nation, the remnant, and not a Gentile Church. The prophecies that national Israel received were fulfilled in Christ, but many of them rejected Christ and had him crucified. But even some of them became Christians through the apostles' testimony. Then shortly thereafter, the remaining Jews were partially blinded and their temple was destroyed and never rebuilt. But national Israel will still have one week: 7 years where their partial blindness will be lifted according to scripture, and then all Israel at that time will be saved. In other words, they will come into the Church.

I'll be looking for a revival of Jews coming to Christ starting next year in 2022. That is if Revelation 8 really will be fulfilled in 2029 and the asteroid that NASA is watching does hit the earth causing mass destruction. Right now NASA and the Pentagon do not want to cause mass hysteria, so are saying it will be a near miss, but if the Great Tribulation and the unveiling of the Antichrist does happen next year, THEN I am confident that Revelation 8 WILL BE fulfilled, and that Jesus is coming in less than 10 years from now. We may not know the day nor the hour, but we are not kept in the dark as to to season or year.

One more thing will be true next year IF the GT starts and that is NO MORE Gentiles will become saved, so if you know of any holdouts, talk to them NOW. The last seven years will be for national Israel ONLY, and for the purification of all nominal Christians already in the Church, but not yet overcomers.

theefaith · May 23, 2021

CharismaticLady said:
What I mean is that God has not abandoned national Israel as "Replacement Theology" suggests. We see that clearly when in 1948 Israel became a nation, and in 1967 we saw the supernatural outcome from God of the 6 Day War when Jerusalem was won.

The Church would be better described as Spiritual Israel, the new nation, the remnant, and not a Gentile Church. The prophecies that national Israel received were fulfilled in Christ, but many of them rejected Christ and had him crucified. But even some of them became Christians through the apostles' testimony. Then shortly thereafter, the remaining Jews were partially blinded and their temple was destroyed and never rebuilt. But national Israel will still have one week: 7 years where their partial blindness will be lifted according to scripture, and then all Israel at that time will be saved. In other words, they will come into the Church.

I'll be looking for a revival of Jews coming to Christ starting next year in 2022. That is if Revelation 8 really will be fulfilled in 2029 and the asteroid that NASA is watching does hit the earth causing mass destruction. Right now NASA and the Pentagon do not want to cause mass hysteria, so are saying it will be a near miss, but if the Great Tribulation and the unveiling of the Antichrist does happen next year, THEN I am confident that Revelation 8 WILL BE fulfilled, and that Jesus is coming in less than 10 years from now. We may not know the day nor the hour, but we are not kept in the dark as to to season or year.

One more thing will be true next year IF the GT starts and that is NO MORE Gentiles will become saved, so if you know of any holdouts, talk to them NOW. The last seven years will be for national Israel ONLY, and for the purification of all nominal Christians already in the Church, but not yet overcomers.

The holy church is eternal and must remain until the second coming. Matt 28:19

what does matt 21:43 mean

Zechariah 13:6
And one shall say unto him, What are these wounds in thine hands? Then he shall answer, Those with which I was wounded in the house of my friends.

Matt 23:17 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!

Matt 23:38 - Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.

Matt 23:39 - For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

John 19:37
And again another scripture saith, They shall look on him whom they pierced.

John 19:15
But they cried out, Away with him, away with him, crucify him. Pilate saith unto them, Shall I crucify your King? The chief priests answered, We have no king but Caesar.

Acts 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made the same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
The Jews were the children and have rejected Christ and He has rejected them! 2 Tim 2:12

The church replaced Israel as the kingdom of God on earth! Matt 21:43

Your “the Jews” or “Israel’s house is a house of desolation, the Jews have the spiritual mark of Cain for killing their brother Jesus and are scattered to nations! Matt 23:39

The Jews killed Christ, as the instrument of the Roman governor!
Matt 21:38 acts 2:36 acts 3:13-15

But the nation in the person of the high priest rejected Christ and the nation consented to His death. Jn 18:14 Mk 15:13

And has never ceased blaspheming Christ, and His church!

To defend Christ is to condemn the Jews!

As Jesus said: Matt 12:30 He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.

Reggie Belafonte · May 23, 2021

Philip James said:
Hello theefaith,

Replace is not the correct term. The Church is Israel!
That remnant that Christ united with Himself!
What joy, what mercy, what wonder! That we gentiles were welcomed into that union!

But that does not give us reason to boast against the branches that were cut off...

Peace be with you!

Christ is risen!
Alleluia!

I would agree that the people of God are the Church and the ones who are truly born again are in fact Israel.

The Branches that were cut off was because they did not abide in the Vine so to speak, so the branches that were cut off are a curse.
The union with God always was is only to do with the Holy Spirit being the Key and nothing to do with a so called people.
Jesus Christ is the Alpha and the Omega, so that proves it.

The OT could be described as being somewhat like an egg and when Jesus Christ came then the egg hatched so to speak, so it's the same body of people regardless of Tribe. fact is it was the Jews who became the first Christians and from then on they were not Jews anymore, as their is no Jew or Greek under Christianity, as all are the same brothers and sisters under the same God in fact.
So all this Jewish idolising ranting is all just rubbish that is being dished up by fools due to people who are not truly born again and the Satanist are running with such nonsense as a so called race that just does not truly exist and never did, as they are all worldly concepts and nothing to do with the Holy Spirit at all.

Where did any Jew have their Soul Saved on their own merit Non ! by that I mean because they were a part of a Tribe ? so the fact is ones race or Tribe is void in fact, the fact is one must become truly born again of the Holy Spirit and the fact is that no one comes to the Father but through his only begotten Son, end of story. so if one thinks that they are coming from any other angle, they are of Satan and they are pushing a worldly barrow. I have seen this nonsense so many times being peddled, not to mention such people use intimidation tactics and love to stand over people. they are much like Islam and Communism and Jews that are lost, such people have nothing to offer but of mans works that are truly devoid of God in fact, they do not abide in Christ Jesus in fact, so what would you expect from such who are totally lost, all that such will do is lead all astray and enslave all under their madness. That's what they do in fact and that's what carnal can only do because they are a curse.

The reason why the Jews had a closed shop was due to others with their stupid Idols, but over history such crept in and bastardise the Tribe and they fell. Christianity is failing now for the same foundation reason, such is idolising nonsense and have rejected Christ Jesus for a false Jesus of this world wrapped up in delusions of this world with trendy hogwash that they idolise such nonsense full on. they are bastards who love nothing better than to try and bastardise all around them, look at all the stupid degenerate movements that runabout loose promoting such.

Curtis · May 23, 2021

Keraz said:
The Jewish State of Israel will be Judged and punished on the forthcoming Day of the Lord's fiery wrath. Zephaniah 1:1-18, Jeremiah 10:18 Only a remnant will survive. Isaiah 6:11-13, Romans 9:27

No, they won’t.

Try reading Zechariah which you cite: Jesus returns to mount olive in Jerusalem, and saves Jerusalem from destruction.

Paul makes clear that all Israel will become Godly when they see the DELIVERER come out of Zion (Jesus delivering Jerusalem from the attacking armies in Zechariah 14,) because they will see He is the Messiah, and be saved, Romans 11.

Be saved, not be destroyed.

And you quote Jeremiah, the same book that says God will make His new covenant with the Houses of Israel and Judah, in chapter 31 - same covenant Hebrews 8 says Jesus is mediator of,

Curtis · May 23, 2021

Kara’s: PS: regarding your Romans 9 proof text cross referenced to Isaiah, that prophecy does not mean end time destruction of most of Israel, but Isaiah is prophesying the Syrian destruction to come:
To whit:
The remnant will be saved: The passage quoted from Isa 10:23 speaks first to God’s work in saving a remnant from the coming Assyrian destruction. The suffering of God’s people at the hands of the Assyrians and others would make them feel as if they would certainly be destroyed. God assures them that this is not the case. He will always preserve His remnant.

CharismaticLady · May 23, 2021

theefaith said:
The holy church is eternal and must remain until the second coming. Matt 28:19

what does matt 21:43 mean

Zechariah 13:6
And one shall say unto him, What are these wounds in thine hands? Then he shall answer, Those with which I was wounded in the house of my friends.

Matt 23:17 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!

Matt 23:38 - Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.

Matt 23:39 - For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

John 19:37
And again another scripture saith, They shall look on him whom they pierced.

John 19:15
But they cried out, Away with him, away with him, crucify him. Pilate saith unto them, Shall I crucify your King? The chief priests answered, We have no king but Caesar.

Acts 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made the same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
The Jews were the children and have rejected Christ and He has rejected them! 2 Tim 2:12

The church replaced Israel as the kingdom of God on earth! Matt 21:43

Your “the Jews” or “Israel’s house is a house of desolation, the Jews have the spiritual mark of Cain for killing their brother Jesus and are scattered to nations! Matt 23:39

The Jews killed Christ, as the instrument of the Roman governor!
Matt 21:38 acts 2:36 acts 3:13-15

But the nation in the person of the high priest rejected Christ and the nation consented to His death. Jn 18:14 Mk 15:13

And has never ceased blaspheming Christ, and His church!

To defend Christ is to condemn the Jews!

As Jesus said: Matt 12:30 He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.

Yes, the Church, the Bride of Christ is eternal. Are you still in it? Or have started praying to Mary and left it?

CharismaticLady · May 23, 2021

Curtis said:
No, they won’t.

Try reading Zechariah which you cite: Jesus returns to mount olive in Jerusalem, and saves Jerusalem from destruction.

Paul makes clear that all Israel will become Godly when they see the DELIVERER come out of Zion (Jesus delivering Jerusalem from the attacking armies in Zechariah 14,) because they will see He is the Messiah, and be saved, Romans 11.

Be saved, not be destroyed.

And you quote Jeremiah, the same book that says God will make His new covenant with the Houses of Israel and Judah, in chapter 31 - same covenant Hebrews 8 says Jesus is mediator of,

But only national Israel alive during the last 7 years (starting next year I think) will God renew their sight so they will accept their Messiah and all Israel will be saved.

Curtis · May 24, 2021

CharismaticLady said:
But only national Israel alive during the last 7 years (starting next year I think) will God renew their sight so they will accept their Messiah and all Israel will be saved.

All Israel alive to see Jesus return in the clouds, Revelation 1:7, and see Him land on mount olive, and see Him destroy those attacking Jerusalem, Zechariah 14, will realize He is their Messiah, and be saved. Romans 11:
Rom 11:26 And in this way all Israel will be saved, as it is written, “The Deliverer will come from Zion, he will banish ungodliness from Jacob”;

Shalom.

theefaith · May 24, 2021

CharismaticLady said:
Yes, the Church, the Bride of Christ is eternal. Are you still in it? Or have started praying to Mary and left it?

where does the Bible say that?

in the communion of saints we all pray for each other

rev 5:8

CharismaticLady · May 24, 2021

Curtis said:
All Israel alive to see Jesus return in the clouds, Revelation 1:7, and see Him land on mount olive, and see Him destroy those attacking Jerusalem, Zechariah 14, will realize He is their Messiah, and be saved. Romans 11:
Rom 11:26 And in this way all Israel will be saved, as it is written, “The Deliverer will come from Zion, he will banish ungodliness from Jacob”;

Shalom.

Actually, I believe they will be saved during the first 3 1/2 years, and be tested during the last 3 1/2 years.

Nominal Christians before the GT will be tested throughout for them to "overcome," Rev. 2 and 3. Only the faithful Philadelphian type Christian will be kept safe.

CharismaticLady · May 24, 2021

theefaith said:
where does the Bible say that?

in the communion of saints we all pray for each other

rev 5:8

Rev. 5:8 has nothing to do with WHO we pray to.

Below is the church age of the Roman Catholic Church and the Orthodox Church, the two legs of iron in the Babylonian statue in Daniel's dream. Jezebel is not the actual mother of Jesus, but represents the pagan Babylonian mystery religion of the goddess and godchild that has shown up in every pagan religion around the world, and now in Christianity. It was never there during the 1st century. The complete devotion to Mary is "having sexual relations and idol worship." My question is how many Catholics DO NOT pray to her? Have they all left the true Church of Jesus Christ?

Rev. 2:
18 “And to the angel of the church in Thyatira write,

‘These things says the Son of God, who has eyes like a flame of fire, and His feet like fine brass: 19 “I know your works, love, service, faith, and your patience; and as for your works, the last are more than the first. 20 Nevertheless I have a few things against you, because you allow that woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess, to teach and seduce My servants to commit sexual immorality and eat things sacrificed to idols. 21 And I gave her time to repent of her sexual immorality, and she did not repent. 22 Indeed I will cast her into a sickbed, and those who commit adultery with her into great tribulation, unless they repent of their deeds. 23 I will kill her children with death, and all the churches shall know that I am He who searches the minds and hearts. And I will give to each one of you according to your works.

24 “Now to you I say, and to the rest in Thyatira, as many as do not have this doctrine, who have not known the depths of Satan, as they say, I will put on you no other burden. 25 But hold fast what you have till I come. 26 And he who overcomes, and keeps My works until the end, to him I will give power over the nations—

27 ‘He shall rule them with a rod of iron;
They shall be dashed to pieces like the potter’s vessels’—

as I also have received from My Father; 28 and I will give him the morning star.

29 “He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.” ’

theefaith · May 24, 2021

CharismaticLady said:
Actually, I believe they will be saved during the first 3 1/2 years, and be tested during the last 3 1/2 years.

Nominal Christians before the GT will be tested throughout for them to "overcome," Rev. 2 and 3. Only the faithful Philadelphian type Christian will be kept safe.

grear trib was the 300 yr persecution of the pagan Roman Empire

theefaith · May 24, 2021

CharismaticLady said:
Rev. 5:8 has nothing to do with WHO we pray to.

Below is the church age of the Roman Catholic Church and the Orthodox Church, the two legs of iron in the Babylonian statue in Daniel's dream. Jezebel is not the actual mother of Jesus, but represents the pagan Babylonian mystery religion of the goddess and godchild that has shown up in every pagan religion around the world, and now in Christianity. It was never there during the 1st century. The complete devotion to Mary is "having sexual relations and idol worship." My question is how many Catholics DO NOT pray to her? Have they all left the true Church of Jesus Christ?

Rev. 2:
18 “And to the angel of the church in Thyatira write,

‘These things says the Son of God, who has eyes like a flame of fire, and His feet like fine brass: 19 “I know your works, love, service, faith, and your patience; and as for your works, the last are more than the first. 20 Nevertheless I have a few things against you, because you allow that woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess, to teach and seduce My servants to commit sexual immorality and eat things sacrificed to idols. 21 And I gave her time to repent of her sexual immorality, and she did not repent. 22 Indeed I will cast her into a sickbed, and those who commit adultery with her into great tribulation, unless they repent of their deeds. 23 I will kill her children with death, and all the churches shall know that I am He who searches the minds and hearts. And I will give to each one of you according to your works.

24 “Now to you I say, and to the rest in Thyatira, as many as do not have this doctrine, who have not known the depths of Satan, as they say, I will put on you no other burden. 25 But hold fast what you have till I come. 26 And he who overcomes, and keeps My works until the end, to him I will give power over the nations—

27 ‘He shall rule them with a rod of iron;
They shall be dashed to pieces like the potter’s vessels’—

as I also have received from My Father; 28 and I will give him the morning star.

29 “He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.” ’

not about Mary gen 3:15 enmity total war with Satan none of his works are in her, she is his adversary and will crush his proud head
There is only one church founded by Christ on Peter and the apostles Jn 10:16
The kingdom God set up in the days of the Roman Empire and his kingdom church conquered the pagan Roman Empire in one hour it fell dan 2:44

Earburner · May 24, 2021

theefaith said:
The Jews were the children and have rejected Christ and He has rejected them! 2 Tim 2:12

The church replaced Israel as the kingdom of God on earth! Matt 21:43

Your “the Jews” or “Israel’s house is a house of desolation, the Jews have the spiritual mark of Cain for killing their brother Jesus and are scattered to nations! Matt 23:39

The Jews killed Christ, as the instrument of the Roman governor!
Matt 21:38 acts 2:36 acts 3:13-15

But the nation in the person of the high priest rejected Christ and the nation consented to His death. Jn 18:14 Mk 15:13

And has never ceased blaspheming Christ, and His church!

To defend Christ is to condemn the Jews!

As Jesus said: Matt 12:30 He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.

The church fathers (doctors, bishops, and saints) called the Jewish infidelity a disease, and the synagogue a brothel!

Strong language I know but their blasphemy against Christ is much stronger language!

The new covenant fulfilled and replaced the Mosaic covenant! Heb 10:9

Christ replaced David as King!

The Church replaced Israel!

Rev. 14[8] And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon IS FALLEN, is fallen, that "GREAT" city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.

In the NT scriptures, there are two women being spoken of who are "mothers". One is a mother who was "cast out" (fallen from faith), the other is the mother of us all (who live by faith in Christ). Gal. 4:21-26.

Rev. 1-18
Rev. 17[5] And upon her [the woman's] forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE "MOTHER" OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.

Earburner · May 24, 2021

Earburner said:
Rev. 14[8] And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon IS FALLEN, is fallen, that "GREAT" city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.

In the NT scriptures, there are two women being spoken of who are "mothers". One is a mother who was "cast out" (fallen from faith), the other is the mother of us all (who live by faith in Christ). Gal. 4:21-26.

Rev. 1-18
Rev. 17[5] And upon her [the woman's] forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE "MOTHER" OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.

^Correction: Rev. 17:1-18

Curtis · May 24, 2021

CharismaticLady said:
Actually, I believe they will be saved during the first 3 1/2 years, and be tested during the last 3 1/2 years.

Nominal Christians before the GT will be tested throughout for them to "overcome," Rev. 2 and 3. Only the faithful Philadelphian type Christian will be kept safe.

I’ve you mean we go through general tribulation for 3.5 years and the rapture is mid trib, before the great tribulation, I certainly agree.

Shalom.

kcnalp · May 24, 2021

TrueIsraelite said:
... uhg. Israel is a bastard nation. anglo saxons are the true Israelites look at the promises lmao gonna copy and paste because i believe it may benefit ppl

Christian ID is the truth. scofield ref. bible turned many ppl into zionists. 6 day war, uss liberty. (have you even heard of the uss liberty?) he was supervised by zionists while writing and was not an outstanding person himself. you cannot deny the bible prophecies that the Saxons fulfilled vs what a minority group has fulfilled. im 23 & learned the word subversion 3 years ago. what do you encounter when you get to the root of subversion? international zionists, bolsheviks, atheists, and devil ppl. from ww1 to covid, its all been money. i cannot understand how you could have a highschool diploma and not see the INTENTIONAL DEBT our country puts itself into. the federal reserve is not federal nor has reserves. if nothing happens, our posterity will continue to pay off our foreign aid debts to countries that hate us. our own ZOG controlled government hates the very people that created the greatest country & uses colored people as weapons against us. look at Israel's border wall & look at ours. Africans float on literal trash today meanwhile we made sails centuries ago. all recent military has been fighting for the zionists- i forgive you and pray for you. 9/11 is just a glimpse of what these ppl will do to bank in on more $, fear, control, and to advance their fake prophecies. how much muslim hate did that bring? so much! im not even kidding, i used to hate arabs. didnt even care, now i see that they are actually better than the us in ways (homos), and guess WHAT? (best part) WHO BENIFITS from muslim hate/ arab death?? hmm idk probably ISRAEL! suspend immigration, suspend foreign aid,

Guess where Jesus the Jew will return? Do you even have a clue?

Hint: It's called Israel. You can find it on the map. They are back to stay no matter how many Israel wannabe's attack her physically and verbally, to their own demise!

Zechariah 14:1-12 (NKJV)
1 Behold, the day of the LORD is coming, ...
2 For I will gather all the nations to battle against Jerusalem; ...
3 Then the LORD will go forth And fight against those nations, As He fights in the day of battle.
4 And in that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, Which faces Jerusalem on the east....
12 And this shall be the plague with which the LORD will strike all the people who fought against Jerusalem: Their flesh shall dissolve while they stand on their feet, Their eyes shall dissolve in their sockets, And their tongues shall dissolve in their mouths.

theefaith · May 24, 2021

Earburner said:
Rev. 14[8] And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon IS FALLEN, is fallen, that "GREAT" city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.

In the NT scriptures, there are two women being spoken of who are "mothers". One is a mother who was "cast out" (fallen from faith), the other is the mother of us all (who live by faith in Christ). Gal. 4:21-26.

Rev. 1-18
Rev. 17[5] And upon her [the woman's] forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE "MOTHER" OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.

who is this talking about?

Does the Jews and Israel exist?

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