I think you place yourself on the side of that blood guilt, for it was the blind Pharisees and priests that refused to believe Jesus is God, even when He declared it to them. And those are the ones who stoned the prophet Stephen.
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I think you place yourself on the side of that blood guilt, for it was the blind Pharisees and priests that refused to believe Jesus is God, even when He declared it to them. And those are the ones who stoned the prophet Stephen.
Stephen, in seeing a vision, told the religious leaders: "Look! I behold the heavens opened up and the Son of man standing at God’s right hand."(Acts 7:55, 56) Hence, Stephen saw Jesus, not as God, but at his "right hand".
John 5:18 (ESV)
[sup]18 [/sup]This was why the Jews were seeking all the more to kill him, because not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.
Only God is "equal" with God.
Yes Jesus died, and raised Himself again. He is God.
John 10:17-18 (ESV)
[sup]17 [/sup]For this reason the Father loves me, because I lay down my life that I may take it up again. [sup]18 [/sup]No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down, and I have authority to take it up again.
aspen
“"The harvest is plentiful but the workers are few
Indeed!
He humbled Himself and came down from Heaven
John 3:13
No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven—the Son of Man.
He also ascended to Heaven on His own:
John 20:17
Jesus said, “Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’”
I said that IT defines the OP. Your response shows confusion on even my statement. I did NOT say that the OP defines the scripture. Failure to understand how that scripture defines the OP goes hand in hand with failure to see that I did not state that the OP defines the scripture, yet somehow you couldn't see that.
Sorry, but the facts are the facts. Simple debate or deduction parameters clarify this.
Without even these basics being grasped, dialogue is futile.
Enjoy your conclusions.
"Those who worship him must worship him in spirit AND in truth."
If we don't have the truth, is our worship acceptable?
Who says?
None has yet explained the OP with scripture. the problem is, though "Look among the nations, and behold and wonder marvelously; for I will work a work in your days which you will not believe, not even if it is declared to you."
We say that we are born of God, but we consider it heresy.
We say that we are co-heirs with Christ, but we consider it heresy.
We say that we are brothers and sisters of Christ, but we consider it heresy.
We say that we have the mind of God, but we consider it heresy.
We say that we are holy, as he is holy, but we consider it heresy.
We say that we are the righteousness of Christ, but we consider it heresy.
Is it any wonder, then, that no one can give correct answers about who Christ is, when they don't even know, let alone accept, who they themselves are in Christ?
Crazy, but you all will still speak of things you obvious know not, nor understand. Scritpure speaks openly about you. Psalm 82:5, Mat. 13:13, 1 Tim. 1:7, and others like unto them.
Even a fool, when he is silent, people will think he is wise. It's hard to find people on forums who will hold there tongue on even one single topic. They all like to speak on all topics, af though the are wise in all things. Of such is the carnal mind promulgated.
Neon admitted not knowing, and asked for input.
The rest of you argue, and you all still state that your are in the right and the others are wrong. You are proven to be carnally minded, or you wouldn't just keep arguing back and forth. Paul stated this in the scriptures, but when I point it out, who among you will admit the state of your heart? Hypocrites!
Because you all say that you know, but can't agree on even the basics, you will not be held gulitless. Do you not know, have you never heard, who don't you believe and live it: teachers will have DOUBLE judgment? "there is no fear of God before their eyes", and "the fear of God is just the beginning of wisdom."
But you all refuse to admit the obvious.
We say that we are born of God, but we consider it heresy.
We say that we are co-heirs with Christ, but we consider it heresy.
We say that we are brothers and sisters of Christ, but we consider it heresy.
We say that we have the mind of God, but we consider it heresy.
We say that we are holy, as he is holy, but we consider it heresy.
We say that we are the righteousness of Christ, but we consider it heresy.
Is it any wonder, then, that no one can give correct answers about who Christ is, when they don't even know, let alone accept, who they themselves are in Christ?
Crazy, but you all will still speak of things you obvious know not, nor understand. Scritpure speaks openly about you. Psalm 82:5, Mat. 13:13, 1 Tim. 1:7, and others like unto them.
Even a fool, when he is silent, people will think he is wise. It's hard to find people on forums who will hold there tongue on even one single topic. They all like to speak on all topics, af though the are wise in all things. Of such is the carnal mind promulgated.
Neon admitted not knowing, and asked for input.
The rest of you argue, and you all still state that your are in the right and the others are wrong. You are proven to be carnally minded, or you wouldn't just keep arguing back and forth. Paul stated this in the scriptures, but when I point it out, who among you will admit the state of your heart? Hypocrites!
Because you all say that you know, but can't agree on even the basics, you will not be held gulitless. Do you not know, have you never heard, who don't you believe and live it: teachers will have DOUBLE judgment? "there is no fear of God before their eyes", and "the fear of God is just the beginning of wisdom."
But you all refuse to admit the obvious.
English isn't your primary language, is it?
The only one I see here acting like a 'holier-than-thou hypocrite' is you; especially with that kind of language.
Here's my answer to YOUR post again, you white-washed wall...
It's that way so as to rightly divide the timeline of Scripture.
"For to us a Child is born, to us a Son is given" - Christ's first coming to die on the cross.
"and the government shall be upon His shoulder" - Christ's second coming to rule with a rod of iron.
The 7th verse is about David's throne already being established and then Christ's inheritance of David's throne.
Please show me in the Bible where it says that Jesus "raised himself" from the dead. John 10:17, 18 does not say this, but that he had authority to "receive it (his life) again.....from the Father". Peter said that "this Jesus God resurrected" at Acts 2:32. Seems, you have difficulty grasping who really resurrected Jesus.
aspen
“"The harvest is plentiful but the workers are few
- John 20:17
Jesus said, “Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’”
John 20:16-18 (in Context) John 20 (Whole Chapter) - Ephesians 4:8
This is why it says: “When he ascended on high, he took many captives and gave gifts to his people.”
Ephesians 4:7-9 (in Context) Ephesians 4 (Whole Chapter) - Ephesians 4:9
(What does “he ascended” mean except that he also descended to the lower, earthly regions ?
Ephesians 4:8-10 (in Context) Ephesians 4 (Whole Chapter) - Ephesians 4:10
He who descended is the very one who ascended higher than all the heavens, in order to fill the whole universe.) - Hebrews 4:14
[ Jesus the Great High Priest ] Therefore, since we have a great high priest who has ascended into heaven, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold firmly to the faith we profess.
Are you serious??? Why would Jesus say He had the power to raise Himself from the dead? Peter also believed that Jesus is God.
John 21:17 (ESV)
[sup]17 [/sup]He said to him the third time, “Simon, son of John, do you love me?” Peter was grieved because he said to him the third time, “Do you love me?” and he said to him, “Lord, you know everything; you know that I love you.” Jesus said to him, “Feed my sheep.
John 21:17 does not say that Jesus is God just because Peter said that Jesus ' knows everything', for it must be understood within its context regarding Peter's love for Jesus, for he said to Jesus immediately afterward that "you are aware that I have affection for you", in which you have taken the scripture out of context. That is why false religious ideas spread, for few really look at the complete meaning of verses, examining the whole chapter or chapters to determine what is really being said, but instead take out of context scriptures to try to prop up their ideology.
At Acts 3:15, Peter told the Jews that "God raised him (Jesus) up from the dead, of which fact we are witnesses." To continue to believe that Jesus is God despite the weighty evidence against such a proposal, is no different than the Jews rejecting Jesus Messiahship though he proved it , both by Scripture and actions.(Luke 8:2; John 11:44) This is also no different than the Pharisees developing a distortion of the sabbath, and then condemning Jesus and his apostles for plucking grain on it.(Matt 12:1, 2)
John 21:17 (NKJV)
[sup]17 [/sup]And he said to Him, "Lord, You know all things; You know that I love You."
John 21:17 (GW)
[sup]17 [/sup] “Lord, you know everything. You know that I love you.”
John 21:17 (AMP)
[sup]17 [/sup]And he said to Him, Lord, You know everything; You know that I love You [that I have a deep, instinctive, personal affection for You, as for a close friend].
John 21:17 (NASB)
[sup]17 [/sup] And he said to Him, "Lord, You know all things; You know that I love You."
John 21:17 (NIV)
[sup]17 [/sup] He said, "Lord, you know all things; you know that I love you."
John 21:17 (MontgomeryNT)
[sup]17 [/sup] and he answered, "Master, you know all things, you know that you are dear to me."
John 21:17 (MaceNT)
[sup]17 [/sup] and he said to him, Lord, you know all things; you know that I love you.
John 21:17 (NLT)
[sup]17 [/sup] He said, “Lord, you know everything. You know that I love you.” Jesus said,
John 21:17 (ESV)
[sup]17 [/sup]and he said to him, “Lord, you know everything; you know that I love you.”
John 21:17 (WesleyNT)
[sup]17 [/sup] And he said to him, Lord, thou knowest all things; thou knowest that I love thee.
John 21:17 (Darby)
[sup]17 [/sup]and said to him, Lord, thou knowest all things; thou knowest that I am attached to thee.
John 21:17 (KJV)
[sup]17 [/sup] And he said unto him, Lord, thou knowest all things; thou knowest that I love thee.
John 21:17 (WEY)
[sup]17 [/sup] "Master," he replied, "you know everything, you can see that you are dear to me."
John 21:17 (ASV)
[sup]17 [/sup] And he said unto him, Lord, thou knowest all things; thou knowest that I love thee.
You certainly have a different savior than I do. One of us is going to Hell.
Jesus in the OT:
Jeremiah 17:10 (ESV)
[sup]10 [/sup]“I the Lord search the heart and test the mind, to give every man according to his ways, according to the fruit of his deeds.”
all im going to say is that John 1:1 says "in the beginning the word was with God..."
Notice the little word in there that places Jesus WITH God?
WITH
preposition 1. accompanied by; accompanying: I will go with you. He fought with his brother against the enemy. 2. in some particular relation to (especially implying interaction, company, association, conjunction, or connection): I dealt with theproblem. She agreed with me. 3. characterized by or having: a person with initiative.
You can't be WITH someone and be that person that you are WITH at the same time. Impossible. In the context of the scripture, 'With' implies two are present, not one.
Notice the little word in there that places Jesus WITH God?
WITH
preposition 1. accompanied by; accompanying: I will go with you. He fought with his brother against the enemy. 2. in some particular relation to (especially implying interaction, company, association, conjunction, or connection): I dealt with theproblem. She agreed with me. 3. characterized by or having: a person with initiative.
You can't be WITH someone and be that person that you are WITH at the same time. Impossible. In the context of the scripture, 'With' implies two are present, not one.
If Jesus 'knows all things', then why did he not know "the day and the hour" when the "great tribulation" would begin ?(Matt 24:36) In addition, if Jesus "knows all things", then why did he not know when the "kingdom" was being restored ?(Acts 1:6, 7) You tried to pry a Scripture out of it's contextual meaning and place it where it rightly does not belong.
On another note, why did Jesus say to James and John regarding the sitting at his "right hand", that "this sitting down at my right hand and at my left is not mine to give, but it belongs to those for whom it has been prepared by my Father" ?(Matt 20:23)
Agreed
Jesus in the OT:
Jeremiah 17:10 (ESV)
[sup]10 [/sup]“I the Lord search the heart and test the mind, to give every man according to his ways, according to the fruit of his deeds.”
Because He emptied Himself of His Godly attributes.
Philippians 2:6-7 (NASB)
[sup]6 [/sup]who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped, [sup]7 [/sup]but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men.
Why? Because He did. The same way He was with the Father in Genesis. The same way God is referred to as plural in Genesis.
Genesis 1:26 (ESV)
[sup]26 [/sup]Then God said, “Let us make man in our image, after our likeness.
You just admitted that Jesus is God:
Jeremiah 17:10 (ESV)
[sup]10 [/sup]“I the Lord search the heart and test the mind, to give every man according to his ways, according to the fruit of his deeds.”
The whole of John 1:1 [sup]
1[/sup] In the beginning the Word already existed.
The Word was with God,
and the Word was God.
It amazes me how some folks can't get the perfectly clear meaning of Jn 1. The Word was God and the Word became flesh. It has to be demonic powers clouding their minds.
it could be that, or it could be because many scholars have rendered it according to rule of koine grammar
1808 “and the word was a god”
The New Testament, in An Improved Version, Upon the Basis of Archbishop Newcome’s New Translation: With a Corrected Text, London.
1864 “and a god was the Word”
The Emphatic Diaglott (J21, interlinear reading), by Benjamin Wilson, New York and London.
1935 “and the Word was divine” The Bible—An American Translation, by J. M. P. Smith and E. J. Goodspeed, Chicago.
1975 “and a god (or, of a divine kind) was the Word”
Das Evangelium nach Johannes, by Siegfried Schulz,Göttingen, Germany.
1978 “and godlike sort was the Logos”
Das Evangelium nach Johannes,by Johannes Schneider,Berlin.
1979 “and a god was the Logos”
Das Evangelium nach Johannes,by Jürgen Becker, Würzburg, Germany.
I dont know if you can get your head around this, but if you know anything about koine greek, you would know why the above translators render the verse this way. In the verse, the Greek word θεός (the‧os′) is a singular predicate noun occurring before the verb and is not preceded by the definite article. You must take not of that fact because the Logos in John 1:1 is a singular anarthrous predicate noun preceding a verb.
When there is such a noun, translators insert a definite article. Take the following verses Mark 6:49 'a ghost'; Mark 11:32 'a prophet'; John 4:19 'a prophet'; John 6:70 'a devil'; John 8:44; 9:17; 10:1, 13, 33; 12:6 as examples. In all these verses translators inserted the indefinite article “a” before the predicate noun in order to bring out the quality or characteristic of the subject. That is what they do throughout the new testament, but many choose not to follow that rule in John 1:1.
There is only one reason why they do not follow that rule in John 1:1 Shame on them!
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