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revelation 1:15 1611kjv “15 And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters.”. As if they burned in a furnace.
Oh my gosh! There it is in King James English!
What's wrong with me resorting the actual Greek?!
LOL!
No, dude, "as metal when it is being refined."
Do you even know what you put metal in a furnace for?
Context.
 

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your problem is you believe the term gentile solely explains all nations. The word gentile means nations. Israel was scattered into all nations and Christ went to teach them.
1 Corinthians 12:1-2
1Now concerning spiritual gifts, brethren, I would not have you ignorant.

2 Ye know that ye were Gentiles, carried away unto these dumb idols, even as ye were led.

who are Paul’s brethren who he is addressing in this letter to the church of Corinth? Are these Paul’s “spiritual brothers”
1. Actually, the world's preeminent Pauline scholar relies on this verse to make his argument that the Nations are joined to Israel and take up the family narrative.
2. What does Paul mean when he says the Gentiles (non-"Hebrews") coming in is the fulfillment of God getting another people for Himself Romans 11:13?
Deuteronomy 32:21
They have made me jealous with what is no god; they have provoked me to anger with their idols. So I will make them jealous with those who are no people; I will provoke them to anger with a foolish nation.

If it was just the same people, this prophecy couldn't be fulfilled.

No, dude, you guys' exegesis doesn't work.
 

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You gotta show where Satan pulled scripture. If it’s scripture it would have to be from the book of Moses or the prophet, or what?
Satan did not know the scriptures that were given to men. Satan follows the command of the most high. Satan has his own standards given by the most high to be a perfect wickedness in the way Christ in glorified form is perfect, as the father in heaven is perfect.
He pulled Scripture on JESUS!
Satan's children, the Pharisees, also pulled Scripture!

Matthew 4
1Then Jesus was led by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted by the devil. 2After fasting forty days and forty nights, He was hungry. 3The tempter came to Him and said, “If You are the Son of God, tell these stones to become bread.” 4But Jesus answered, “It is written:
‘Man shall not live on bread alone,
but on every word that comes from the mouth of God.’a
5Then the devil took Him to the holy city and set Him on the pinnacle of the temple.
6“If You are the Son of God,” he said, “throw Yourself down. For it is written:
‘He will command His angels concerning you,
and they will lift you up in their hands,
so that you will not strike your foot
against a stone.
b
7Jesus replied, “It is also written: ‘Do not put the Lord your God to the test.’c
 

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Well Black Hebrew Israelites EXIST to denounce everyone and let them know they're IN TROUBLE with God in contradiction to God's Good News calling God liar--can't let that disease go unchecked!
Define " black". Jesus was Jewish. Traditional middle eastern Jews have dusky skin, right? Not black but definitely not white either. And BTW, who cares what exact color his skin was? Does it make any difference?
 
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Define " black". Jesus was Jewish. Traditional middle eastern Jews have dusky skin, right? Not black but definitely not white either. And BTW, who cares what exact color his skin was? Does it make any difference?
I honestly don't care, I just wanted to start a convo with a "Black Hebrew Israelite" so I could go in and sink my teeth into the rest of their false doctrines.
 

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Define " black". Jesus was Jewish. Traditional middle eastern Jews have dusky skin, right? Not black but definitely not white either. And BTW, who cares what exact color his skin was? Does it make any difference?
You and I would say it didn't matter. They do not say it doesn't matter. And they go around lying to people about God saying God hates them and they can't be save and they're excluded because they're not Jewish and even the Jews aren't truly Jewish because Blacks are the true Jews. They're a essentially Black Supremacist hate group masquerading as a strain of Christianity.
 
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Oh my gosh! There it is in King James English!
What's wrong with me resorting the actual Greek?!
LOL!
No, dude, "as metal when it is being refined."
Do you even know what you put metal in a furnace for?
Context.
Oh my gosh! There it is in King James English!
What's wrong with me resorting the actual Greek?!
LOL!
No, dude, "as metal when it is being refined."
Do you even know what you put metal in a furnace for?
Context.

this would be the proper Greek word used
chalkolibanon

Which is Greek for a specific metal copper or brass.


POLISHED Metals are placed in a furnace TO STRENGTHEN THEM. And they become darker because anything in a furnace gets darker.
 

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He pulled Scripture on JESUS!
Satan's children, the Pharisees, also pulled Scripture!

Matthew 4
1Then Jesus was led by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted by the devil. 2After fasting forty days and forty nights, He was hungry. 3The tempter came to Him and said, “If You are the Son of God, tell these stones to become bread.” 4But Jesus answered, “It is written:
‘Man shall not live on bread alone,
but on every word that comes from the mouth of God.’a
5Then the devil took Him to the holy city and set Him on the pinnacle of the temple.
6“If You are the Son of God,” he said, “throw Yourself down. For it is written:
‘He will command His angels concerning you,
and they will lift you up in their hands,
so that you will not strike your foot
against a stone.
b
7Jesus replied, “It is also written: ‘Do not put the Lord your God to the test.’c

you believe Satan and the Devil are the same being. That’s a flawed understanding and I’ll explain why. What did Christ say unto The Jews in John 8:44-45 ?Do you understand how if you are saying the devil is Satan then you are contradicting the Bible. Because the Jews are the children of God why would Christ then say they are the children of Satan. He wouldn’t. But he would say and continue to explain himself in the next verse. That you are children of devils(deceivers etymologically and biblically)

44Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. 45And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.


Devil is defined in the verse.
 

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1. Actually, the world's preeminent Pauline scholar relies on this verse to make his argument that the Nations are joined to Israel and take up the family narrative.
2. What does Paul mean when he says the Gentiles (non-"Hebrews") coming in is the fulfillment of God getting another people for Himself Romans 11:13?
Deuteronomy 32:21
They have made me jealous with what is no god; they have provoked me to anger with their idols. So I will make them jealous with those who are no people; I will provoke them to anger with a foolish nation.

If it was just the same people, this prophecy couldn't be fulfilled.

No, dude, you guys' exegesis doesn't work.

sit back I got you.
First who is Paul speaking to in the book of Romans.
Romans 11:1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.

Romans 1:77 To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.
Isaiah 48:12 Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I amhe; I am the first, I also am the last.
Deuteronomy 33:1-3
And this is the blessing, wherewith Moses the man of God blessed the children of Israel before his death.
And he said, The LORD came from Sinai, and rose up from Seir unto them; he shined forth from mount Paran, and he came with ten thousands of saints: from his right hand went a fiery law for them.
Deu 33:3 - Yea, he loved the people; all his saints are in thy hand: and they sat down at thy feet; every one shall receive of thy words.

So now we clearly understand who Paul is addressing throughout Romans. The gentiles are the scattered Israelites
Ezekiel 36:19And I scattered them among the heathen, and they were dispersed through the countries: according to their way and according to their doings I judged them.

And he will save them
Nehemiah 9:27 “Therefore thou deliveredst them into the hand of their enemies, who vexed them: and in the time of their trouble, when they cried unto thee, thou heardest themfrom heaven; and according to thy manifold mercies thou gavest them saviours, who saved them out of the hand of their enemies.”
 

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You and I would say it didn't matter. They do not say it doesn't matter. And they go around lying to people about God saying God hates them and they can't be save and they're excluded because they're not Jewish and even the Jews aren't truly Jewish because Blacks are the true Jews. They're a essentially Black Supremacist hate group masquerading as a strain of Christianity.

we don’t follow Christianity . We are people of a stolen heritage and a lost culture through genocide. What does it matter the image? Everything because white supremacy Minimalize the so called black Hispanic and native plight. It matters because you can’t read one thing and say something different or depict something different that is the definition of a deceiver or a devil. Same as it say in the script those who say they are Jews but are not but are of the synagogue of Satan. They are the church of Satan who give you false information. And church is a congregation of people for a cause. You people rush to speak before you use your ears , eyes, and mind.
The scripts says in Jeremiah The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?”
You gotta be careful with how you process those thoughts.
 

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this would be the proper Greek word used
chalkolibanon

Which is Greek for a specific metal copper or brass.


POLISHED Metals are placed in a furnace TO STRENGTHEN THEM. And they become darker because anything in a furnace gets darker.
Yes, it's a process called tempering.
And?
They glow when they're being tempered.
The Greek says the process going on (on Christ's feet) isn't finished, they're still in the furnace being tempered.
They're glowing.
 

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you believe Satan and the Devil are the same being. That’s a flawed understanding and I’ll explain why. What did Christ say unto The Jews in John 8:44-45 ?Do you understand how if you are saying the devil is Satan then you are contradicting the Bible. Because the Jews are the children of God why would Christ then say they are the children of Satan. He wouldn’t. But he would say and continue to explain himself in the next verse. That you are children of devils(deceivers etymologically and biblically)

44Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. 45And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.


Devil is defined in the verse.
Blah, blah, blah

Revelation 20:2
And he seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years...

Instead of trying to convince people you're intelligent, you should actually inform yourselves--read Scripture.
 

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I was in church all my life and it was never said that Jesus was white but it was implied by all the art used as a picture of Jesus....and the artist portrayed a white man....
However, being a person who always prays and seeks truth I came to realize how wrong the idea of Jesus being white was.

My first clue...
Songs of Solomon 1 (KJV)
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⁵ I am black, but comely, O ye daughters of Jerusalem, as the tents of Kedar, as the curtains of Solomon.
⁶ Look not upon me, because I am black, because the sun hath looked upon me: my mother's children were angry with me; they made me the keeper of the vineyards; but mine own vineyard have I not kept.

2nd clue....
From the Book of Enoch
FRAGMENT OF THE BOOK OF NOAH
(CVI-CVII.)

CHAPTER CVI.
1. And after some days my son Methuselah took a wife for his son Lamech, and she became

p. 151

pregnant by him and bore a son. 2. And his body was white as snow and red as the blooming of a rose, and the hair of his head †and his long locks were white as wool, and his eyes beautiful†. And when he opened his eyes, he lighted up the whole house like the sun, and the whole house was very bright. 3. And thereupon he arose in the hands of the midwife, opened his mouth, and †conversed with† the Lord of righteousness. 4. And his father Lamech was afraid of him and fled, and came to his father Methuselah. 5. And he said unto him: 'I have begotten a strange son, diverse from and unlike man, and resembling the sons of the God of heaven; and his nature is different and he is not like us, and his eyes are as the rays of the sun, and his countenance is glorious. 6. And it seems to me that he is not sprung from me but from the angels, and I fear that in his days a wonder may be wrought on the earth.
 

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sit back I got you.
First who is Paul speaking to in the book of Romans.
Romans 11:1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.

Romans 1:77 To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.
Isaiah 48:12 Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I amhe; I am the first, I also am the last.
Deuteronomy 33:1-3
And this is the blessing, wherewith Moses the man of God blessed the children of Israel before his death.
And he said, The LORD came from Sinai, and rose up from Seir unto them; he shined forth from mount Paran, and he came with ten thousands of saints: from his right hand went a fiery law for them.
Deu 33:3 - Yea, he loved the people; all his saints are in thy hand: and they sat down at thy feet; every one shall receive of thy words.

So now we clearly understand who Paul is addressing throughout Romans. The gentiles are the scattered Israelites
Ezekiel 36:19And I scattered them among the heathen, and they were dispersed through the countries: according to their way and according to their doings I judged them.

And he will save them
Nehemiah 9:27 “Therefore thou deliveredst them into the hand of their enemies, who vexed them: and in the time of their trouble, when they cried unto thee, thou heardest themfrom heaven; and according to thy manifold mercies thou gavest them saviours, who saved them out of the hand of their enemies.”
You don't have a clue :
1. Just as the Gospel was "first to the Jew, then the GREEK" Romans 1:16, so also the first part of the letter did address the Jews in the Roman Church--thus it was fitting he used many Scriptural arguments only they would have understood--but in the latter part began to address the Gentiles Romans 11:13.
2. God has not cast His People away--a remnant was saved, just as is indicated later in the same chapter in the imagery of the tree which had branches cut off (some remained, but many--involving almost the entire nation, such that the entire unbelieving nation, which was cut off, is still referred to as "Israel"--cut off).
3. "Saints" just means "holy ones"--which is why Paul says "not like Gentile sinners" in Galatians 2, BUT, now He brought the nations in. If the nations are nothing but scattered Jews, you are at war against God and His Prophet Moses who prophesied "I will get another people for Myself" Deuteronomy 32:21. You're saying that that can never happen. He spoke to the ENTIRE NATION, saying, "I will get another people OTHER THAN YOU".
 

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I was in church all my life and it was never said that Jesus was white but it was implied by all the art used as a picture of Jesus....and the artist portrayed a white man....
However, being a person who always prays and seeks truth I came to realize how wrong the idea of Jesus being white was.

My first clue...
Songs of Solomon 1 (KJV)
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⁵ I am black, but comely, O ye daughters of Jerusalem, as the tents of Kedar, as the curtains of Solomon.
⁶ Look not upon me, because I am black, because the sun hath looked upon me: my mother's children were angry with me; they made me the keeper of the vineyards; but mine own vineyard have I not kept.

2nd clue....
From the Book of Enoch
FRAGMENT OF THE BOOK OF NOAH
(CVI-CVII.)

CHAPTER CVI.
1. And after some days my son Methuselah took a wife for his son Lamech, and she became

p. 151

pregnant by him and bore a son. 2. And his body was white as snow and red as the blooming of a rose, and the hair of his head †and his long locks were white as wool, and his eyes beautiful†. And when he opened his eyes, he lighted up the whole house like the sun, and the whole house was very bright. 3. And thereupon he arose in the hands of the midwife, opened his mouth, and †conversed with† the Lord of righteousness. 4. And his father Lamech was afraid of him and fled, and came to his father Methuselah. 5. And he said unto him: 'I have begotten a strange son, diverse from and unlike man, and resembling the sons of the God of heaven; and his nature is different and he is not like us, and his eyes are as the rays of the sun, and his countenance is glorious. 6. And it seems to me that he is not sprung from me but from the angels, and I fear that in his days a wonder may be wrought on the earth.
1. The woman speaking is one of Solomon's love interests--the condemnation on him was that he went after thousands of GENTILE women, including a famous AFRICAN woman the Queen of the South or Queen of Sheba. Could've been her.
2. That particular Book of Enoch gives the wrong reason for Noah having received his name (meaning, "rest, comfort") so I do not accept its authenticity.
Genesis 5:29And he named him Noah,e saying, “May this one comfort us in the labor and toil of our hands caused by the ground that the LORD has cursed.”
Enoch 106:18 ...And now make known to thy son Lamech that he who has been born is in truth his son, and call his name Noah; for he shall be left to you, and he and his sons shall be saved from the destruction, which shall come upon the earth on account of all the sin and all the unrighteousness, which shall be consummated on the earth in his days. And after that there shall be still more unrighteousness than that which was first consummated on the earth; for I know the mysteries of the holy ones; for He, the Lord, has showed me and informed me, and I have read (them) in the heavenly tablets.
 
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Yes, it's a process called tempering.
And?
They glow when they're being tempered.
The Greek says the process going on (on Christ's feet) isn't finished, they're still in the furnace being tempered.
They're glowing.
Read from the scriptures? Where in does it say this? I think you are lost. You might be reading a children’s Bible or something idk
 

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You don't have a clue :
1. Just as the Gospel was "first to the Jew, then the GREEK" Romans 1:16, so also the first part of the letter did address the Jews in the Roman Church--thus it was fitting he used many Scriptural arguments only they would have understood--but in the latter part began to address the Gentiles Romans 11:13.
2. God has not cast His People away--a remnant was saved, just as is indicated later in the same chapter in the imagery of the tree which had branches cut off (some remained, but many--involving almost the entire nation, such that the entire unbelieving nation, which was cut off, is still referred to as "Israel"--cut off).
3. "Saints" just means "holy ones"--which is why Paul says "not like Gentile sinners" in Galatians 2, BUT, now He brought the nations in. If the nations are nothing but scattered Jews, you are at war against God and His Prophet Moses who prophesied "I will get another people for Myself" Deuteronomy 32:21. You're saying that that can never happen. He spoke to the ENTIRE NATION, saying, "I will get another people OTHER THAN YOU".
Your definitions are not biblical and you are inserting into the text and for doing so you will die. Not everlasting life. Death. let us hear the conclusion of the matter, keep the commandments

Ecclesiastes 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.
 

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we don’t follow Christianity . We are people of a stolen heritage and a lost culture through genocide. What does it matter the image? Everything because white supremacy Minimalize the so called black Hispanic and native plight. It matters because you can’t read one thing and say something different or depict something different that is the definition of a deceiver or a devil. Same as it say in the script those who say they are Jews but are not but are of the synagogue of Satan. They are the church of Satan who give you false information. And church is a congregation of people for a cause. You people rush to speak before you use your ears , eyes, and mind.
The scripts says in Jeremiah The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?”
You gotta be careful with how you process those thoughts.
1. Your own people hunted you down, kidnapped you, and sold you into slavery--and they're still doing it (Blacks are still being enslaved in Africa) today. The first owner of Black slaves in America was a Black man as far as I know. God convicted the Christian West and we ended slavery. YOU'RE WELCOME!
2a. I'm not going to get into politics, but that was the game the entire world was playing at the time : "Let's see who is stronger." For whatever reason, Europe excelled. They've always tried to take over the world.
2b. You think the tribes in America were peaceful? They weren't at war with one another or practicing cannibalism? The peoples in Africa were all peaceful perfect men? Please. Wake up and smell the coffee. We all are terrible without grace. Jesus died for our sins because we were truly sinners, children of the devil. Wake up.
3. The text clearly states that Jesus denies they are Jews not because they are not physically Jews but because they don't know God.
 

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Your definitions are not biblical and you are inserting into the text and for doing so you will die. Not everlasting life. Death. let us hear the conclusion of the matter, keep the commandments

Ecclesiastes 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.
1. What did I say about Romans that you disagreed with?
2. Who said you had to be under Law to keep the Commandments? Christians are not under Law, but God writes His Laws on their hearts so that Paul "defines" them as "doers of Law" even though they don't know Law Romans 2:13-15, Romans 2:26-27. Again, you are clueless.
 

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1. Your own people hunted you down, kidnapped you, and sold you into slavery--and they're still doing it (Blacks are still being enslaved in Africa) today. The owner of Black slaves in America was a Black man as far as I know. God convicted the Christian West and we ended slavery. YOU'RE WELCOME!
2a. I'm not going to get into politics, but that was the game the entire world was playing at the time : "Let's see who is stronger." For whatever reason, Europe excelled. They've always tried to take over the world.
2b. You think the tribes in America were peaceful? They weren't at war with one another or practicing cannibalism? The peoples in Africa were all peaceful perfect men? Please. Wake up and smell the coffee. We all are terrible without grace. Jesus died for our sins because we were truly sinners, children of the devil. Wake up.
3. The text clearly states that Jesus denies they are Jews not because they are not physically Jews but because they don't know God.
You are a racist. What is blacks? I never defined myself as such. And your completely illiterate on top of biblically illiterate. Who are the blacks ? What’s the history of blacks ? You see how white supremacy has committed cultural genocide on a whole nation of people. And then try to propagate some false identity on to us. And still they deny we are the children of the true living god. Surely the day will come when you realize your fathers as well as you have inherited lies.