O House Of Israel, Where Are You?

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Truman

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Hi, Oseas. I have no doubt that redeemed Israel and the church (not it's real name) are two distinct sections of the people of God.
I have an ABI (acquired brain injury) and have difficulty following a lengthy discourse, so please do not be offended if I do not pay your post the attention it deserves.
I also have difficulty with easily comprehending King James English.
I believe that it is my job to expose unaware Hebrew descendants of Israel to enough information so as to bring about revelation by Divine inspiration as to the true nature of their roots.
To influence one to ask, "Lord, am I descended from Israel?"
Or however the Lord does it.
I'd like to say that I believe we are all valuable members of God's household, whether we are of Hebrew descent or not.
Thanks for your input.
"I am what I am, a child of the great, 'I Am,' by the blood of the Lamb, the Lamb who was slain."
"I'm precious in His sight, the apple of His eye, I am fearfully and wonderfully made." - by Truman Coates
This can be stated by all who are in Messiah Jesus. :)
 

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YES! Prove it! By defining the meaning of OSAS [which I know you have no knowledge of] and Israel's identity.

Thank you
You have proven you know nothing about Israel. Get a map. You're not Israel. And again, thank you for saying I can NEVER be unsaved!

PS: Why don't you obey Moses if you're Israel? Hmmm
 

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You have proven you know nothing about Israel. Get a map. You're not Israel
Your beliefs are astounding.
Do you really think that it's enough to claim an identity, to actually be that person or group?

The nation called Israel, is not a coherent group of people whose ancestry back to Judah can be proved. In fact, with the case of the Ashkenazi Jews, their ancestry is proven - they come from the Khazars a Turkish people, who converted to Judaism in the 6th Century.

The error of thinking the State of Israel is still God's people, show a sad lack of understanding of Bible teaching; of the fate of the Jews and who really are God's chosen people. John 15:14-16, 1 Peter 2:9
 

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Your beliefs are astounding.
Do you really think that it's enough to claim an identity, to actually be that person or group?

The nation called Israel, is not a coherent group of people whose ancestry back to Judah can be proved. In fact, with the case of the Ashkenazi Jews, their ancestry is proven - they come from the Khazars a Turkish people, who converted to Judaism in the 6th Century.

The error of thinking the State of Israel is still God's people, show a sad lack of understanding of Bible teaching; of the fate of the Jews and who really are God's chosen people. John 15:14-16, 1 Peter 2:9
You're not Israel. lol
You're a wannabee.
 

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I believe that it is my job to expose unaware Hebrew descendants of Israel to enough information so as to bring about revelation by Divine inspiration as to the true nature of their roots.
To influence one to ask, "Lord, am I descended from Israel?"
Or however the Lord does it.
I'd like to say that I believe we are all valuable members of God's household, whether we are of Hebrew descent or not.
Thanks for your input.

You are welcome.

As for being descendant, or not, from Israel it doesn't matter;

what matters is to have the name written in the book of life. Philippians 4: v.3,

if not ...
 
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You have proven you know nothing about Israel. Get a map. You're not Israel. And again, thank you for saying I can NEVER be unsaved!

I have no problem to show you every country of the world in a map. Your problem is your lack of Scripture understanding which is the issue.

Assuredly, I'm a Jew as confirmed by God in Romans 2:28-29:

28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither [is that] circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
29 But he [is] a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision [is that] of the heart, in the spirit, [and] not in the letter; whose praise [is] not of men, but of God.

Do you really understand the verses above? I doubt it.

PS: Why don't you obey Moses if you're Israel? Hmmm

BECAUSE the more than 613 Mosaic laws have been completed in Christ. Do you know of any Jew that go to Jerusalem three times a year to worship? NO! Yet it is a commandment set forth by the Mosaic Laws.

To God Be The Glory
 

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I have no problem to show you every country of the world in a map. Your problem is your lack of Scripture understanding which is the issue.

Assuredly, I'm a Jew as confirmed by God in Romans 2:28-29:

28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither [is that] circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
29 But he [is] a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision [is that] of the heart, in the spirit, [and] not in the letter; whose praise [is] not of men, but of God.

Do you really understand the verses above? I doubt it.

BECAUSE the more than 613 Mosaic laws have been completed in Christ. Do you know of any Jew that go to Jerusalem three times a year to worship? NO! Yet it is a commandment set forth by the Mosaic Laws.

To God Be The Glory
Why aren't you in Israel? lol
Why don't you obey Moses?
It's much better to be a Christian than an Israel / Jew wannabee heading for Hell fire.

Zechariah 14:12 (NKJV)
12 And this shall be the plague with which the LORD will strike all the people who fought against Jerusalem: Their flesh shall dissolve while they stand on their feet, Their eyes shall dissolve in their sockets, And their tongues shall dissolve in their mouths.
 
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You are welcome.

As for being descendant, or not, from Israel it doesn't matter;

what matters is to have the name written in the book of life. Philippians 4: v.3,

if not ...
Romans 2:v.4 to 16
4 Or despisest thou the riches of His goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?

5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous Judgment of God;

6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds:

7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honor and immortality,
eternal life:

8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,

9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;

10 But glory, honor, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:

11 For there is no respect of persons with God.

12 For as many as have sinned without law -the Gentiles- shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law -the Jews- shall be judged by the law;

13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:

15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another.

16 In the Day when God shall Judge the secrets of men - this Day arrived - by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.

 

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Being descended from Israel is not a salvation issue. Faith in Jesus Messiah is.
Jesus loves me, I love Jesus. Jesus loves His bride, I love His bride. :)
 
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My mother's mother was from Scotland. I'm learning as I'm going.
No, you aren't. Going down rabbit holes of ancestry, is stepping backwards.
We Christians are peoples from every race, nation and language. Revelation 5:9
Ethnicity has no value or significance for us. Ephesians 2:11-18

However God does have a secret regarding the people, all the 12 tribes of Jacobs sons. Jesus was the culmination of the House of Judah and the House of Israel will have a part to play in the end times.
 
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My mother's maiden name was Harper. I always thought it was British. I just learned that one origin is Le Harpur, which is Norman. Hmmm.
 

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I'm a forerunner. I'm an oddity. I'm alone.
I enjoy and have been blessed to be part of CB.
I enjoy being associated with the Messianic community.
I enjoy being part of the Messianic/Ephra'imic/Christian community.
My home doesn't exist yet. If it does, I haven't found it.
After I told him my story, I was just welcomed by a Jewish Cohen as a Levite.
Lots of people talk about Ephra'im.
Being part of the southern Ontario 90s Vineyard move of the spirit, I know what it's like to be at the crest of what He's doing. It's exciting and many flock to it. But after the move and the excitement had passed, I found myself alone. In and out of fashion.
I know we are one in Christ. But can you imagine being a Pentecostal and then all of a sudden, all Pentecostal fellowships disappeared?
Or imagine growing up in a small town. In you 20's, you go on an overseas trip. When you come back, your town is gone. You would eventually find somewhere else to settle, but a part of you would always yearn for your home town.
I'm an Ephra'imite Levite and I need to find my people.
To this, Yahweh has called me.
 

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Ancient Israel did not do as the Lord had commanded them. They worshipped idols and rebelled against His Laws. Ezekiel 12:1 So the Lord sent them into exile – Ezekiel 12:3, for a decreed time period; Ezekiel 4:4-6 Before this happened, the Israelites had split into two kingdoms; then the House of Israel, was taken into exile by Assyria, and the House of Judah, deported by Babylon. Deuteronomy 4:27

What happened to them and the land?
Ezekiel 6:8-14 Among the nations, there will be those of you who have survived the sword and are scattered in foreign lands. They will remember Me while in exile and they will loath themselves for the evil they have done.

Remember the Lord, that is: become Christians.

You will know that My threats were not in vain. Justice will be done. Nahum 1:2-3

Cry in pain, because of your wickedness, people of Israel. You will die by sword, famine and plague. Black Death, civil wars, world wars, etc.

So, I will spend My wrath upon them. Your Land will become a desolation.

Travellers in the 1800’s were amazed at the awful conditions in the Middle East of desertification, still today; with water shortages and continuing strife.


In Ezekiel chapter 11, after the House of Israel had been exiled, Ezekiel is prophesying to the leaders of Judah. In verses 1 to 13, he says that Judah too, will be conquered. Then in verse 15, he mentions their brothers and kinsmen, [the House of Israel, then in Northern Assyria] to whom the inhabitants of Jerusalem say: They are separated far from the Lord, the land has been made over to us [Jews] to possess.

Ezekiel 11:16-44 Say therefore, When I dispersed them over the earth, I became their sanctuary in the countries where they have gone. I shall gather you from among the nations and I shall give the Land of Israel to you. Judah has come back, but in apostasy.

They will abolish all idols and vile practices. Not done yet.

I will give them a new heart and a new spirit. Wait for it!

They will keep My laws and I will be their God. Great will be the Day!

Go you Israelites and serve your idols! But in days to come I will punish you.

On My holy mountain in the Land, the whole [peoples] of Israel will serve Me.

I will accept you, when I have brought you out of all the places where you were sent.

I will bring you into the Land which I promised to the forefathers.

You will remember your past and will hate yourselves for it.

You will know that I am the Lord when I deal with you, not as you really deserve, but as the honour of My holy Name demands.


But now, as we approach the end times, we see a Jewish restoration, but in unbelief. Zechariah 12:7 The Lord will free Judah first, for their greater glory. The State of Israel, now in a part of the holy Land, but they still reject their Messiah and now face another Judgement; the third swing of the Sword. Ezekiel 21:1-14

The forthcoming Day of the Lord’s wrath is also the judgement of Judah, as in:

Amos 2:4-5, Jer. 13:19, Zeph. 1:4-6, Obadiah 1:12-16, Isaiah 4:3-4, Matthew 21:41-43

Ezekiel 20:46-47 O man, turn toward the South, prophesy to the desert of the Negev. The Lord God says: I am about to kindle a fire in you. Its fiery flame will not be put out; everyone to the North will be scorched by it. Zephaniah 1:14-18

The Lord’s Day of vengeance and wrath, Revelation 6:12-17

Isaiah 63:4 I resolved on a Day of vengeance, the year for redeeming My own has come.
I stamped on peoples in My anger and their blood poured out on the ground.
Psalms 110


This event will depopulate most of the Middle East, leaving the way for His people; Israel: the descendants of Jacob, plus those grafted in, all at least nominally Christians still scattered around the world, to gather in the ‘wilderness’:

Ezekiel 20:34-38 By My strong arm and outpoured wrath, I shall bring you out from the peoples and gather you from the lands where you were dispersed.

I shall confront you and bring you to judgement. Those who rebel will remain in the desert.


Who are the Israelites? Certainly, some must be ethnic descendants of the Patriarchs’, as in:-

Amos 9:8-9 I shall not totally destroy Jacobs posterity. I will shake Israel among the nations and not one pebble will fall to the ground.

Isaiah 14:1 The Lord will again show compassion for Jacob [the 12 tribes of Israel] and will once again make Israel His choice. He will resettle them on their native soil and aliens will join them.

Peoples from every race, nation and language. Isaiah 66:18b-21, Revelation 7:9


All faithful Christians have the wonderful promises of the New Testament:-

Acts 2:39 This promise is to you and your children, to all who are far away, to everyone whom the Lord may call.

Luke 12:32-40 Have no fear, little flock, for your Father has chosen to give you the Kingdom. Sell your possessions, give to charity. Provide for yourselves treasure [rewards] in Heaven.

Be ready for action. Be like a servant, ready to let your Master in as soon as He knocks.

Happy are those servants whom the Master finds awake when He comes. Truly, I tell you, He will seat you at the table and wait on you.

If it is midnight or before dawn and you are still awake, then great will be your reward.

Remember, if the householder had known when a thief would come, he would have stopped him.

So, be ready for the Son of Man will come when you least expect Him.

This refers to the Lord’s Day of fiery wrath, not His Return, when He will be expected, as the armies of the Anti-Christ attack Jerusalem. Revelation 19:19

Reference; Revised English Bible, some verses condensed.
 
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