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Truth7t7

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Hi, Oseas. I have no doubt that redeemed Israel and the church (not it's real name) are two distinct sections of the people of God.
I have an ABI (acquired brain injury) and have difficulty following a lengthy discourse, so please do not be offended if I do not pay your post the attention it deserves.
I also have difficulty with easily comprehending King James English.
I believe that it is my job to expose unaware Hebrew descendants of Israel to enough information so as to bring about revelation by Divine inspiration as to the true nature of their roots.
To influence one to ask, "Lord, am I descended from Israel?"
Or however the Lord does it.
I'd like to say that I believe we are all valuable members of God's household, whether we are of Hebrew descent or not.
Thanks for your input.
"I am what I am, a child of the great, 'I Am,' by the blood of the Lamb, the Lamb who was slain."
"I'm precious in His sight, the apple of His eye, I am fearfully and wonderfully made." - by Truman Coates
This can be stated by all who are in Messiah Jesus. :)
I disagree, there is one people of God, the bride his Church
 

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Hello, 666 messages. Some might think that you are the anti-christ. If you were, I doubt that's how I could tell. I've learned that sometimes I think things are a certain way because that's how I was taught they were. Or that I've assumed that's how they were. I've learned that most of what the church teaches is right. 45,000 denominations back this up. For the most part.
If you'd like to argue with Messianic Jews about whether they are part of the church or not, be my guest. I do, however, believe we are one in Christ.
Personally, I believe that the bride of Messiah is the 144,000 taken from the 12 tribes of Israel spoken of in Revelation 7.
I am a libertarian, I think. You may disagree with me, but I'll defend your right to disagree with me. I'm also an avid Trump supporter.

Justice for all, both big and small,
Short and tall, for rich and for poor.
I won't go away until I've had my say,
It's the price that I pay for what I stand for.

Freedom to speak what's on my mind,
And to express what's in my heart.
To honor another in all that I do,
Justice for me and justice for you.
 
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Hello, 666 messages. Some might think that you are the anti-christ. If you were, I doubt that's how I could tell. I've learned that sometimes I think things are a certain way because that's how I was taught they were. Or that I've assumed that's how they were. I've learned that most of what the church teaches is right. 45,000 denominations back this up. For the most part.
If you'd like to argue with Messianic Jews about whether they are part of the church or not, be my guest. I do, however, believe we are one in Christ.
Personally, I believe that the bride of Messiah is the 144,000 taken from the 12 tribes of Israel spoken of in Revelation 7.
I am a liberarian, I think. You may disagree with me, but I'll defend your right to disagree with me. I'm also an avid Trump supporter.

Justice for all, both big and small,
Short and tall, for rich and for poor.
I won't go away until I've had my say,
It's the price that I pay for what I stand for.

Freedom to speak what's on my mind,
And to express what's in my heart.
To honor the other in all that I do,
Justice for me and justice for you.
Jesus Christ is the only way to the Father, there is only one bride of Christ his Church

Two peoples of God (Israel) (Church) is found no place in scripture

And you (Hello 666 messages) is out in left field
 
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I could say the same about your inability to treat others the way you want to be treated. I will defend your right to disagree with me because that's how I want you to treat me. If you were obeying Christ here, you would extend to me the same grace. Can you see that?
 

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I could say the same about your inability to treat others the way you want to be treated. I will defend your right to disagree with me because that's how I want you to treat me. If you were obeying Christ here, you would extend to me the same grace. Can you see that?
Your claim is false, I have brought no bad treatment upon you, other than I disagree with your claims in two peoples of God

I defend your right to present your view, as you suggest I dont
 

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Who is the true Israel of God?
Who are the legitimate heirs of God’s promises? It cannot be just those who claim to be descendants of Jacob, such as the citizens of the modern State of Israel, or the many people groups who assert they are the ‘lost tribes’, etc.

The true Israelites of God are those individuals who meet the Covenant conditions, who by belief in God and in their moral and ethical behavior, prove they belong to Him. 1 Peter 2:9-10

It was always possible for foreigners to become an Israelite, therefore parentage and actual descent is irrelevant:

Leviticus 19:33-34…foreigners are to be treated as native born among you…..

Isaiah 56:1-8….foreigners who give their allegiance to Me will be acceptable in My House of Prayer…..I shall add them to those who are already gathered.

Jesus said: Other sheep I must gather….John 19:16 and the Apostles made it clear that it is only by righteousness and faith that anyone is accepted into the House of Israel. Romans 9:6-9, Galatians 3:26-29, Ephesians 2:11-18


So to determine who qualifies as an Israelite person of God, we know:

1/ They cannot be determined by natural descent from Abraham, or more specifically, from Jacob. There are no proofs of ancestry back to Abraham extant today.

2/ They cannot become an Israelite by conversion to Judaism.

3/ Any person can become an Israelite of God by faith in Him, obedience to His Laws and the acceptance of the atoning sacrifice of Jesus. John 3:16-17


Jesus is the ‘root and tree trunk’ of Israel. Paul said that the promises made to Abraham were to one Person and they are all ‘yes’ in Christ. Galatians 3:16, 2 Cor. 1:20

So now all we Christians, in Christ as His friends and working with Him, are now the branches of the ‘olive tree’ of the true Israel.

Jews have been cut off, but can be grafted back, as individual Christian believers. Bible prophecy proves that only a remnant will do that. Ezekiel 6:1-14, Zechariah 13:7-9, Romans 9:27

WE Christians are all true born again people from every tribe, race, nation and language. Romans 2:28-29, Revelation 5:9-10, Isaiah 56:1-8


This truth that: all righteous Christians are the Israel of God, Galatians 6:16, destroys the false ‘rapture to heaven’ theory. We will never go to live in heaven, but eventually heaven comes down to earth. Revelation 20:4

The prophesies about Judah, the Jewish people, are clear: only a remnant will survive. Isaiah 6:13, Luke 19:27. Romans 9:27 They have set up their own religion and refuse to acknowledge Jesus. Romans 10:1-4

It will be all the true, righteous Christian people that will inherit the holy Land and they are the people who will display God’s glory and be His witnesses to the nations, in the last few years before Jesus Returns. Ezekiel 39:21-29, Isaiah 66:18b-21, Isaiah 49:8-13, Ephesians 1:11, Romans 9:24-26
 
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I thought this was pretty cool:
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As an orthodox Jew, Paul has some unusual readings of new testament scripture.
 

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Who is the true Israel of God?
Who are the legitimate heirs of God’s promises? It cannot be just those who claim to be descendants of Jacob, such as the citizens of the modern State of Israel, or the many people groups who assert they are the ‘lost tribes’, etc.

The true Israelites of God are those individuals who meet the Covenant conditions, who by belief in God and in their moral and ethical behavior, prove they belong to Him. 1 Peter 2:9-10

It was always possible for foreigners to become an Israelite, therefore parentage and actual descent is irrelevant:

Leviticus 19:33-34…foreigners are to be treated as native born among you…..

Isaiah 56:1-8….foreigners who give their allegiance to Me will be acceptable in My House of Prayer…..I shall add them to those who are already gathered.

Jesus said: Other sheep I must gather….John 19:16 and the Apostles made it clear that it is only by righteousness and faith that anyone is accepted into the House of Israel. Romans 9:6-9, Galatians 3:26-29, Ephesians 2:11-18


So to determine who qualifies as an Israelite person of God, we know:

1/ They cannot be determined by natural descent from Abraham, or more specifically, from Jacob. There are no proofs of ancestry back to Abraham extant today.

2/ They cannot become an Israelite by conversion to Judaism.

3/ Any person can become an Israelite of God by faith in Him, obedience to His Laws and the acceptance of the atoning sacrifice of Jesus. John 3:16-17


Jesus is the ‘root and tree trunk’ of Israel. Paul said that the promises made to Abraham were to one Person and they are all ‘yes’ in Christ. Galatians 3:16, 2 Cor. 1:20

So now all we Christians, in Christ as His friends and working with Him, are now the branches of the ‘olive tree’ of the true Israel.

Jews have been cut off, but can be grafted back, as individual Christian believers. Bible prophecy proves that only a remnant will do that. Ezekiel 6:1-14, Zechariah 13:7-9, Romans 9:27

WE Christians are all true born again people from every tribe, race, nation and language. Romans 2:28-29, Revelation 5:9-10, Isaiah 56:1-8


This truth that: all righteous Christians are the Israel of God, Galatians 6:16, destroys the false ‘rapture to heaven’ theory. We will never go to live in heaven, but eventually heaven comes down to earth. Revelation 20:4

The prophesies about Judah, the Jewish people, are clear: only a remnant will survive. Isaiah 6:13, Luke 19:27. Romans 9:27 They have set up their own religion and refuse to acknowledge Jesus. Romans 10:1-4

It will be all the true, righteous Christian people that will inherit the holy Land and they are the people who will display God’s glory and be His witnesses to the nations, in the last few years before Jesus Returns. Ezekiel 39:21-29, Isaiah 66:18b-21, Isaiah 49:8-13, Ephesians 1:11, Romans 9:24-26
Jesus Christ fulfilled the promises and covenant made to Abraham, the Church is the Israel of God, children of the promised seed, it's that simple upload_2021-5-26_15-49-27.gif

Jesus Christ is the promised seed, and his children are the Church

Galatians 3:16-29KJV
16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.
18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.
19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
20 Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.
21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.
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But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
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And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

(Two Israel's Are Seen Below)

(1) Israel The Church, Children Of The Promised Seed

(2) National Ethnic Israel "Flesh"

The Church is the Israel of God, children of the promised seed upload_2021-5-26_15-49-27.gif

They which are the children of the flesh (Jews) these are not the children of God

Romans 9:6-8KJV
6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all (1)Israel, which are of (2)Israel:
7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
 

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I guess what I thought would've been nice would have been for someone to say, "It looks like you are a biological descendent of Levi." Because almost without exception, I get attacked, called a racist, told Jesus is going to burn me in hell if I don't stop telling this story, told by Jews that it's all in my head, or that I'm an idol worshipper, or that I'm a devil worshipper, or for the most part, people walk away and I never hear from them again. Recently, a pastor responded to me, over the pulpit, by saying the church is the house of Israel. All I want to say is that The Lord has revealed to me that I am descended from the son of Israel/Jacob who was named Levi. Nothing more, nothing less. I guess, for the most part, that is asking too much. When asked by the Lord to talk about something, would you tell Him, "No?" At least He's happy with me.
 
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The Lord has revealed to me that I am descended from the son of Israel/Jacob who was named Levi. Nothing more, nothing less.
How did God reveal this to you? Audibly or by angel visitation?

I too can prove that I am a Jew [inwardly].

To God Be The Glory
 

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The Israel wannabe's have BAD times ahead! It's not nice to try to STEAL Israel's identity and blessings!

Genesis 12:3 (NKJV)
3 I will curse him who curses you;

Too bad the curse can be on their loved ones too!

Zechariah 14:12 (NKJV)
12 And this shall be the plague with which the LORD will strike all the people who fought against Jerusalem: Their flesh shall dissolve while they stand on their feet, Their eyes shall dissolve in their sockets, And their tongues shall dissolve in their mouths.



 

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Jews have been cut off, but can be grafted back, as individual Christian believers. Bible prophecy proves that only a remnant will do that. Ezekiel 6:1-14, Zechariah 13:7-9, Romans 9:27
Except Romans 11 says all of Israel alive at the time they see their deliverer, Jesus, come out of Zion, Jerusalem, will be saved.

(They will realize He’s their Messiah, and be saved by faith.)
 

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I guess what I thought would've been nice would have been for someone to say, "It looks like you are a biological descendent of Levi." Because almost without exception, I get attacked, called a racist, told Jesus is going to burn me in hell if I don't stop telling this story, told by Jews that it's all in my head, or that I'm an idol worshipper, or that I'm a devil worshipper, or for the most part, people walk away and I never hear from them again. Recently, a pastor responded to me, over the pulpit, by saying the church is the house of Israel. All I want to say is that The Lord has revealed to me that I am descended from the son of Israel/Jacob who was named Levi. Nothing more, nothing less. I guess, for the most part, that is asking too much. When asked by the Lord to talk about something, would you tell Him, "No?" At least He's happy with me.
Stand firm in what you believe is from God with your heart and mind always open to Him... Unfortunately many people have their own ATs [Absolute Truths] and act as if God works only in those ATs and that those ATs are IT.
Give God the glory!
 
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Stand firm in what you believe is from God with your heart and mind always open to Him... Unfortunately many people have their own ATs [Absolute Truths] and act as if God works only in those ATs and that those ATs are IT.
Give God the glory!
Always, brother! Lol
 
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