He "cometh At An Hour" We Think Not

whirlwind · Jan 21, 2011

Luke 12:40 Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not.

When do we "think" He shall come? We're told that He arrives at the seventh trump and...He shall...but here He tells us it isn't then or, isn't just then. I see two lessons in the above. First, the seventh trumpet sounds for days and it begins to sound during the sixth trumpet, during Satan's hour of temptation. That is the "hour when ye think not." But it is the second thought this thread pertains to....

Luke 12:46-47 The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers. And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.

As believers we are all servants of the Lord but all of His servants are not prepared. We know what is expected, we know His commandments but do we "do them?" I must wonder, will those appointed with the unbelivers realize a visit has taken place? Will we realize we are appointed as one that betrayed Him, if our not being prepared was to cause that terrible state?

Matthew 26:22-23 And they were exceeding sorrowful, and began every one of them to say unto Him, Lord, is it I? And He answered and said, He that dippeth his hand with Me in the dish, the same shall betray Me.

He comes to us "in a day when he looketh not for Him." He arrives before the seventh trump! He comes to dwell in us before the last day of this age. Are we, were we, prepared to be His people?

11 Corinthians 6:16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.

Luke 12:29-32 And seek not ye what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink, neither be ye of doubtful mind. For all these things do the nations of the world seek after: and your Father knoweth that ye have need of these things. But rather seek ye the kingdom of God; and all these things shall be added unto you. Fear not, little flock; for it is your Father's good pleasure to give you the kingdom.

He provides the food we are to eat...for it is contained in His Word. When we seek the kingdom of God He guides us to see and hear, to understand the written word. It is the food and drink He has provided! He knows what we need and adds deeper understanding as we mature. We are not to be doubtful...we are to know He is with us, teaching. Why does He name some His "little flock?" They are the chosen few, those that were/are prepared.....

Matthew 20:16 So the last shall be first, and the first last: for many be called, but few chosen.

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veteran · Jan 22, 2011

That day is not supposed to be a surprise for us who wait for Christ's coming...

1 Thes 5:1-8
1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.
2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
3 For when they shall say, "Peace and safety"; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.
5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.
6 Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.
7 For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night.
8 But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation.
(KJV)

Rev 3:3
3 Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.
(KJV)

Rev 16:15
15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
(KJV)

Those 1 Thess.5 and Revelation Scriptures were given after what our Lord said in the Gospel Books. The above examples give more detail as to whom His coming as a thief in the night will be upon. Not us who are waiting and watching, but upon the deceived who aren't watching the signs He gave. They will not be found still waiting.

whirlwind · Jan 23, 2011

veteran said:
That day is not supposed to be a surprise for us who wait for Christ's coming...

1 Thes 5:1-8
1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.
2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
3 For when they shall say, "Peace and safety"; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.
5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.
6 Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.
7 For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night.
8 But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation.
(KJV)

Rev 3:3
3 Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.
(KJV)

Rev 16:15
15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
(KJV)

Those 1 Thess.5 and Revelation Scriptures were given after what our Lord said in the Gospel Books. The above examples give more detail as to whom His coming as a thief in the night will be upon. Not us who are waiting and watching, but upon the deceived who aren't watching the signs He gave. They will not be found still waiting.

I very much agree Vet! He has given us a great deal in the Scriptures that let us know. We need only "search the Scriptures" and allow Him to teach us.

The point of the OP was to put forth the thought of His coming twice. First He comes IN US...to dwell in us, walk in us. Knowing the time of the last days allows us to sound the trumpet for we see the enemy in the land.

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veteran · Feb 11, 2011

whirlwind said:
I very much agree Vet! He has given us a great deal in the Scriptures that let us know. We need only "search the Scriptures" and allow Him to teach us.

The point of the OP was to put forth the thought of His coming twice. First He comes IN US...to dwell in us, walk in us. Knowing the time of the last days allows us to sound the trumpet for we see the enemy in the land.
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You sound like you're familiar with our Lord's signs of the end leading up to His bodily return. But, you also sound like you're confusing the two advents of our Lord Jesus. His first coming was a bodily coming to die on the cross. His second coming will be a bodily return to reign over all nations with a rod of iron. That second coming is still future.

So we should not ever... confuse Scripture about either time of Christ's literal bodily coming with spiritual mystical wanderings, because such spiritual wandering will especially confuse a 'new babe' in Christ Jesus. And that because of some of the false Preterist doctrines of men going around that try to say Christ's second coming is not meant to be a literal bodily return, and that it already happenned in the days of Christ's Apostles as a spiritual coming.

Joshua David · Feb 11, 2011

Hello everyone,

This is my first post on this forum, as I just found this site yesterday. First off let me say to the owner and the moderators of the site, thank you for providing a place for Christian Brother and Sisters to come together and reason together. I will say from the start that I am passionate about the Word of the Lord. Please forgive me, if I let my passion at times overrule my heart. I would ask all to just call me on it. May the Lord richly and graciously bless you all.

When do we "think" He shall come? We're told that He arrives at the seventh trump and...He shall...but here He tells us it isn't then or, isn't just then. I see two lessons in the above. First, the seventh trumpet sounds for days and it begins to sound during the sixth trumpet, during Satan's hour of temptation. That is the "hour when ye think not." But it is the second thought this thread pertains to....

Could you explain why you believe he comes at the seventh trump, why you think it sounds for days, and why you think it begins to sound in the sixth trump?

Joshua David

rjp34652@yahoo.com · Feb 11, 2011

The beast, the final anti-christ may be a gay man.

Consider this passage in the book of Daniel. It begins with 11:31 identifying him with the "abomination of desolation". Jesus verified this identification during His ministry.

In verse 36 it says that this person "will speak monstrous things against the God of gods".

In verse 37 it seems to reveal his sexual preference as well as his religious background.

"And he will show no regard for the gods of his fathers or for the desire of women, nor will he show regard for any other god; for he will magnify himself above them all"

Joshua David · Feb 11, 2011

[email protected] said:
The beast, the final anti-christ may be a gay man.

Consider this passage in the book of Daniel. It begins with 11:31 identifying him with the "abomination of desolation". Jesus verified this identification during His ministry.

In verse 36 it says that this person "will speak monstrous things against the God of gods".

In verse 37 it seems to reveal his sexual preference as well as his religious background.

"And he will show no regard for the gods of his fathers or for the desire of women, nor will he show regard for any other god; for he will magnify himself above them all"

I think you might have posted this on the wrong thread.

Joshua David

whirlwind · Feb 12, 2011

veteran said:
You sound like you're familiar with our Lord's signs of the end leading up to His bodily return. But, you also sound like you're confusing the two advents of our Lord Jesus. His first coming was a bodily coming to die on the cross. His second coming will be a bodily return to reign over all nations with a rod of iron. That second coming is still future.

So we should not ever... confuse Scripture about either time of Christ's literal bodily coming with spiritual mystical wanderings, because such spiritual wandering will especially confuse a 'new babe' in Christ Jesus. And that because of some of the false Preterist doctrines of men going around that try to say Christ's second coming is not meant to be a literal bodily return, and that it already happenned in the days of Christ's Apostles as a spiritual coming.

There are two comings...AFTER His first advent.

First He comes to dwell in His saints...

Revelation 14:1 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having His Father's name written in their foreheads.

Second, at the end of days He comes to judge....

Zechariah 14:4 And His feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

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Joshua David said:
Hello everyone,

This is my first post on this forum, as I just found this site yesterday. First off let me say to the owner and the moderators of the site, thank you for providing a place for Christian Brother and Sisters to come together and reason together. I will say from the start that I am passionate about the Word of the Lord. Please forgive me, if I let my passion at times overrule my heart. I would ask all to just call me on it. May the Lord richly and graciously bless you all.

Could you explain why you believe he comes at the seventh trump, why you think it sounds for days, and why you think it begins to sound in the sixth trump?

Joshua David

Hi Joshua David,

We're told....

Revelation 10:7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

And.....

1 Thessalonians 5:2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.

He comes "in the night," the night being the time of Satan. When the seventh angel sounds...that is the seventh trumpet....

Revelation 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of His Christ; and He shall reign for ever and ever.

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veteran · Feb 12, 2011

whirlwind said:
There are two comings...AFTER His first advent.

First He comes to dwell in His saints...

Revelation 14:1 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having His Father's name written in their foreheads.

Second, at the end of days He comes to judge....

Zechariah 14:4 And His feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

The Revelation 14:1 Scripture is about Christ's SECOND coming. It's about His elect kings and priests of Rev.20:4 that remained faithful through the tribulation, and they will rule on earth with Jesus at the start of the "thousand years", which begins at His second coming, His bodily return to Jerusalem per Zech.14. That "Sion" (Zion) is on earth and is the "camp of the saints" and "beloved city" on earth (Rev.20:9). It's not setup yet today in Jerusalem, but it will be when Christ returns to gather His saints.

There's only two advents (comings) of Christ Jesus written per Scripture...

Zech 9:9 Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion; shout, O daughter of Jerusalem: behold, thy King cometh unto thee: he is just, and having salvation; lowly, and riding upon an ass, and upon a colt the foal of an ass.

That was Christ's first coming, riding into Jerusalem upon ass (donkey), per Matthew 21. He came "lowly" to be The Sacrificial Lamb.

Zech 9:10 And I will cut off the chariot from Ephraim, and the horse from Jerusalem, and the battle bow shall be cut off: and he shall speak peace unto the heathen: and his dominion shall be from sea even to sea, and from the river even to the ends of the earth.
(KJV)

That Zech.9:10 example is Christ's second coming, to rule with a rod of iron over all nations, i.e., 7th trumpet events of Rev.11:15-19, Psalms 2.

veteran · Feb 13, 2011

Joshua David said:
Hello everyone,

This is my first post on this forum, as I just found this site yesterday. First off let me say to the owner and the moderators of the site, thank you for providing a place for Christian Brother and Sisters to come together and reason together. I will say from the start that I am passionate about the Word of the Lord. Please forgive me, if I let my passion at times overrule my heart. I would ask all to just call me on it. May the Lord richly and graciously bless you all.

Could you explain why you believe he comes at the seventh trump, why you think it sounds for days, and why you think it begins to sound in the sixth trump?

Joshua David

Since you addressed your salutation to everyone, I'll take that to mean your question is too.

If we stay with Scripture, there's no way to confuse the order of Christ's second coming per Revelation. Our Lord specifically tied 3 woe periods with the last three trumpets to keep that order entact (see woes starting at end of Rev.8).

The first woe-5th trumpet is about Satan's locust army preparing for battle (Rev.8:13 through Rev.9:11). The second woe-6th trumpet is about their loosing upon the earth for the tribulation (Rev.9:12 through Rev.11:14). And the third final woe "cometh quickly" right after to end the second woe period with Christ's second coming (Rev.11:14-19).

The 6 Seal events is how some are defining the order, instead of properly using the 3 woes our Lord gave with the last 3 trumpets. The 6th Seal has events that happen on the 2nd woe-6th trumpet and on the 3rd woe-7th trumpet, and that's how some confuse the order of events. Events of the 6th and 7th Trumpets are totally separate from each other.

The Rev.10 chapter given in between the 9th and 11th chapters is a parenthetical detail, or pause. Rev.10 declares when the 7th Trumpet begins to sound, then it's all over, the mystery of God as declared through His prophets finished, Christ having returned and is reiging on earth with His elect. That's what the final 3rd woe is about, for Rev.11:18 shows judgment and reward time.

God revealed through His prophet Isaiah that last woe period will occur very quickly to end this present world age, even figuratively using the sound made by a bottle with its contents emptied all of a sudden (see Bullinger's side note on the Hebrew of Isa.24:1 in The Companion Bible).

whirlwind · Feb 13, 2011

veteran said:
The Revelation 14:1 Scripture is about Christ's SECOND coming. It's about His elect kings and priests of Rev.20:4 that remained faithful through the tribulation, and they will rule on earth with Jesus at the start of the "thousand years", which begins at His second coming, His bodily return to Jerusalem per Zech.14. That "Sion" (Zion) is on earth and is the "camp of the saints" and "beloved city" on earth (Rev.20:9). It's not setup yet today in Jerusalem, but it will be when Christ returns to gather His saints.

There's only two advents (comings) of Christ Jesus written per Scripture...

Zech 9:9 Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion; shout, O daughter of Jerusalem: behold, thy King cometh unto thee: he is just, and having salvation; lowly, and riding upon an ass, and upon a colt the foal of an ass.

That was Christ's first coming, riding into Jerusalem upon ass (donkey), per Matthew 21. He came "lowly" to be The Sacrificial Lamb.

Zech 9:10 And I will cut off the chariot from Ephraim, and the horse from Jerusalem, and the battle bow shall be cut off: and he shall speak peace unto the heathen: and his dominion shall be from sea even to sea, and from the river even to the ends of the earth.
(KJV)

That Zech.9:10 example is Christ's second coming, to rule with a rod of iron over all nations, i.e., 7th trumpet events of Rev.11:15-19, Psalms 2.

We were blessed with His first Advent.

We are now blessed with Him abiding in us.

The world will be judged at His second Advent.

All are in Scripture.

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Charlie · Feb 14, 2011

Dear Friends;

The subject of Our Lord's advents is an interesting one/

Jesus Christ came, as a baby, in His first advent.

After He ascended up to heaven in His first departure, He will descend again, not to the earth but in the clouds, at the 'rapture'.

He will come to earth as the Lamb, for the third time, on Mount Zion with the 144,000 at the end of the 7 years, Rev. 14:1.

After the 30 and 45 days of Dan. 12:11-12, He will come on the white horse, Rev. 20:19-21, for the battle of Armageddon.

God Bless you. Charlie

australia · Feb 14, 2011

CharlesBaker said:
He will come to earth as the Lamb, for the third time,

When does He come to earth the second time?

veteran · Feb 16, 2011

[quote]
Dear Friends;

The subject of Our Lord's advents is an interesting one/

Jesus Christ came, as a baby, in His first advent.

After He ascended up to heaven in His first departure, He will descend again, not to the earth but in the clouds, at the 'rapture'.

He will come to earth as the Lamb, for the third time, on Mount Zion with the 144,000 at the end of the 7 years, Rev. 14:1.

After the 30 and 45 days of Dan. 12:11-12, He will come on the white horse, Rev. 20:19-21, for the battle of Armageddon.

God Bless you. Charlie [/quote]

That's false, because that's the Pre-Tribulational "secret rapture" theory (originated in 1830's Great Britain).

That's the idea that Christ has 3 advents, instead of 2 like God's Word declares.

That falsely assumes a 2nd advent gathering to Christ happens before or during the tribulation, with a 3rd advent in final later to begin His thousand years reign on earth.

God's Word reveals ONLY 2 advents of Christ, not 3.

His 2nd advent (coming) includes His gathering of His saints, His wrath upon the wicked, and the start of His de facto everlasting reign upon Mount Zion in Jerusalem with His elect.

Surf Rider · Feb 24, 2011

I changed my mind and removed my post. I've posted it elsewhere. Sorry.

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