The Identity Of The Antichrist

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Antichrist, properly translated is....instead of Christ for although he/they/it are anti, or against Christ...antichrist is in the place of Christ or...instead of Christ. Who is this person/entity? What does Scripture tell us about him/it/them?


There are types, examples, shadows of antichrist but the actual title is used only in the epistles of John.....

1 John 2:18-23 Little children, it is the last [time] hour: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last [time] hour. They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us. But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things. I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth. Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.​

Pilate asked…what is truth [John 18:38]. Above, where it is written that we are to know all things and all truth does that mean we are given to know all things in this world and have no doubts as to what others say as being truthful…or not? No, I think not. Rather we are told what the “truth” is that we are to know……

Ephesians 4:21 If so be that ye have heard Him, and have been taught by Him, as the truth is in Jesus:

1 John 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.​

We are given to know truth, know Jesus, when He dwells IN US. He does not dwell in antichrists for instead of Christ being in them is another. And the other is there instead of Christ. What or who is the other in them/us? Who is in them/us instead of Christ?

John is teaching of two different types in the above...a liar and also an antichrist. The liars are those that deny to themselves and others that Jesus is the Christ (atheists) and He tells us "all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death". [Revelation 21:8] But the definition of the antichrist is he that..."denieth the Father and the Son." How is He denied?

1 John 4:2-3 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is He that is in you, than he that is in the world.

2 John 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.​

There is part of the answer. An antichrist, and there are many, is someone that "confesseth not that Jesus Christ is cometh in the flesh." Does that mean they deny He came as a man, in a flesh body? No, for that wouldn't deceive a believer and they are deceivers. That begs the question...what flesh is being spoken of? That too is answered by "greater is He that is in you." It speaks of our flesh...He comes in our flesh and that is the denial of antichrists. Again…how?

11 Corinthians 6:16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.​

Those without Christ, yet believe they have Christ, deny, or don’t allow Him to be in them as they haven’t yet crucified their “old man.”

Romans 6:6-7 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with Him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. For he that is dead is freed from sin.

Colossians 3:8-10 But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth. Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds; And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of Him that created him:​

In other words, is our own old man the antichrist! Are we the abomination in our selves, in the temple, in His holy place…..

Matthew 24:14-16 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand). Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:​


When we see, when we understand, who the abomination of desolation is and understand who is standing in the holy place, we have reached an important stage in our walk.


2 Thessalonians 2:1-4 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto Him, That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.​

A “falling away,” or an apostasy must take place first…before we are gathered unto Him. That day will NOT happen until this is accomplished (and souls are gathered daily, long before the end of this age begins and before our physical deaths for…it is a spiritual gathering). I always saw the apostasy as falling away from truth but now understand it to be falling away from our man of sin…revealing him to ourselves as a hypocrite, as a “son of perdition” for we are either children of Light or children of darkness. Sons of God or sons of perdition.


We must fall away from the self-deception of believing we are followers of Christ, if our old man still lives. If our old man sits in God’s temple and we are the temple of God, shewing the world what good and wonderful Christians we are while simply “playing church,” then we are sons of perdition! We are abominations sitting in His temple for we denieth Him in the flesh, in our flesh.


1 Corinthians 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?​

He can’t “dwelleth” there until our old man has been crucified! We are denying Him until then and consequently we cannot be gathered unto Him. Salt water and fresh cannot inhabit one body, one temple.


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I think you're taking a mighty step to say that "the flesh" spoken of by Paul is our flesh.

The plain reading and literal meaning of this suggests they that deny Christ came to men (IE, in the flesh). If you deny this then you also deny everything Christ did... IE, you become "anti" Christ.

Quite simply the anti Christ is anyone who is anti Christ. Shocking how simple that is, yes?
 

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Antichrist, properly translated is....instead of Christ for although he/they/it are anti, or against Christ...antichrist is in the place of Christ or...instead of Christ. Who is this person/entity? What does Scripture tell us about him/it/them?


There are types, examples, shadows of antichrist but the actual title is used only in the epistles of John.....

1 John 2:18-23 Little children, it is the last [time] hour: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last [time] hour. They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us. But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things. I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth. Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.​

Pilate asked…what is truth [John 18:38]. Above, where it is written that we are to know all things and all truth does that mean we are given to know all things in this world and have no doubts as to what others say as being truthful…or not? No, I think not. Rather we are told what the “truth” is that we are to know……

Ephesians 4:21 If so be that ye have heard Him, and have been taught by Him, as the truth is in Jesus:

1 John 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.​

We are given to know truth, know Jesus, when He dwells IN US. He does not dwell in antichrists for instead of Christ being in them is another. And the other is there instead of Christ. What or who is the other in them/us? Who is in them/us instead of Christ?

John is teaching of two different types in the above...a liar and also an antichrist. The liars are those that deny to themselves and others that Jesus is the Christ (atheists) and He tells us "all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death". [Revelation 21:8] But the definition of the antichrist is he that..."denieth the Father and the Son." How is He denied?

1 John 4:2-3 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is He that is in you, than he that is in the world.

2 John 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.​

There is part of the answer. An antichrist, and there are many, is someone that "confesseth not that Jesus Christ is cometh in the flesh." Does that mean they deny He came as a man, in a flesh body? No, for that wouldn't deceive a believer and they are deceivers. That begs the question...what flesh is being spoken of? That too is answered by "greater is He that is in you." It speaks of our flesh...He comes in our flesh and that is the denial of antichrists. Again…how?

11 Corinthians 6:16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.​

Those without Christ, yet believe they have Christ, deny, or don’t allow Him to be in them as they haven’t yet crucified their “old man.”

Romans 6:6-7 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with Him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. For he that is dead is freed from sin.

Colossians 3:8-10 But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth. Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds; And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of Him that created him:​

In other words, is our own old man the antichrist! Are we the abomination in our selves, in the temple, in His holy place…..

Matthew 24:14-16 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand). Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:​


When we see, when we understand, who the abomination of desolation is and understand who is standing in the holy place, we have reached an important stage in our walk.


2 Thessalonians 2:1-4 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto Him, That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.​

A “falling away,” or an apostasy must take place first…before we are gathered unto Him. That day will NOT happen until this is accomplished (and souls are gathered daily, long before the end of this age begins and before our physical deaths for…it is a spiritual gathering). I always saw the apostasy as falling away from truth but now understand it to be falling away from our man of sin…revealing him to ourselves as a hypocrite, as a “son of perdition” for we are either children of Light or children of darkness. Sons of God or sons of perdition.


We must fall away from the self-deception of believing we are followers of Christ, if our old man still lives. If our old man sits in God’s temple and we are the temple of God, shewing the world what good and wonderful Christians we are while simply “playing church,” then we are sons of perdition! We are abominations sitting in His temple for we denieth Him in the flesh, in our flesh.


1 Corinthians 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?​

He can’t “dwelleth” there until our old man has been crucified! We are denying Him until then and consequently we cannot be gathered unto Him. Salt water and fresh cannot inhabit one body, one temple.


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I would give this an A but an A+ would take looking at the two words used in Greek to describe temple. Paul is clearly not speaking of a building as many teach today.
very nice whirlwind.
 

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I like what you wrote...

I would say the spirit of the antichrist is any spirit that opposes Jesus whether inside ourselves or outside ourselves... and the many antichrists are people who have fully submiteed themselves to his spirit... those who have submitted themselves fully to the spirit of the antichrist are antichrists... and any spirit or person that wants to take the place of God's Word in our temple is the antiChrist...

I also don't believe God is worried about some person taking a position of authority in a building made with hands... I believe the temple God's worried about being the authority in is the temple made without hands...

I can't wait till I stop believing the antichrists fully... I get so disappointed that I still fall for his manipulations and empty promises...

But I look at people like Peter and and Paul and realize just like them... I'm a work in progress... and until the day the morning star is fully risen in my heart and there's no darkness left... I just gotta be open to the Lord's light to work in me...
 

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I like what you wrote...

I would say the spirit of the antichrist is any spirit that opposes Jesus whether inside ourselves or outside ourselves... and the many antichrists are people who have fully submiteed themselves to his spirit... those who have submitted themselves fully to the spirit of the antichrist are antichrists... and any spirit or person that wants to take the place of God's Word in our temple is the antiChrist...

I also don't believe God is worried about some person taking a position of authority in a building made with hands... I believe the temple God's worried about being the authority in is the temple made without hands...

I can't wait till I stop believing the antichrists fully... I get so disappointed that I still fall for his manipulations and empty promises...

But I look at people like Peter and and Paul and realize just like them... I'm a work in progress... and until the day the morning star is fully risen in my heart and there's no darkness left... I just gotta be open to the Lord's light to work in me...



Yes Robbie...we are works in progress. We are being perfected and your spirit is shining bright. :)

1 John 4:12 No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and His love is perfected in us.

Philippians 2:15 That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world;

1 John 3:1-2 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew Him not. Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when He shall appear, we shall be like Him; for we shall see Him as He is.​
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There are suppsoed to be many anti-Christ's but Hitler and Mohammed are strong candidates. As to who the beast will be; well some peopel think that not even he will know.
 

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There are suppsoed to be many anti-Christ's but Hitler and Mohammed are strong candidates. As to who the beast will be; well some peopel think that not even he will know.

I do know that the word antichrist appears nowhere in Revelation.
I believe the only places are in 1 and 2 John: not prophecy.

Yet people love to create this "big bad antichrist in the end times"- which isn't supported by Scripture itself.

One could assume the Beast is a "big bad antichrist", but it's just that: assumption.


Thus like I said, the antichrist is simply anyone who is anti Christ.

And... The Beast may not even be a man. It might be an institution. Or culture thing.
Most people take the first half of the description of the beat as symbolic (It's not really a beast, but a man- they say). If they can do this- I don't see why it's a big leap of a conclusion to arrive at it not even being a man.
 

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I Jn 2:18
18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
(KJV)

The word "antichrist" is simply another title for Satan, the devil.

The idea of "many antichrists" is simply the devil's servants.

The "spirit of antichrist" (1 John 4:3) is also about influence of Satan's spirit among his servants.


What was John pulling from when he mentioned that they had already heard that antichrist shall come?

Simple, he was pulling from Christ's warning about a specific pseudo Christ that is to come working great wonders and miracles on earth in the sight of men, causing a great deception upon many, all prior to His coming after the great tribulation. Apostle Paul warned of the same thing in 2 Thess.2 about a certain false one who will exalt himself over everything that is worshipped.


In ancient times of old, Satan first rebelled against God in coveting His Throne. Satan drew one third of the angels (stars) into rebellion along with him. Satan did that with a beast kingdom shown in Rev.12:3-4 that had ten horns, seven heads, but only seven crowns.

The reason our Lord Jesus gave us that particular beast kingdom structure linked with Satan's original rebellion in Rev.12:3-4 is because he's getting ready to try and do it again, in the last days. This is why Rev.12:7-9 is showing about his casting down to this earth for the last days, with his angels, after the war with Michael in Heaven. That's who John was speaking of when he said antichrist shall come.

In Rev.13 we're shown not one, but two different beasts. The first one is a kingdom system like that one of old in Rev.12:3-4 which Satan first rebelled with. But the latter one of Rev.13:1 is to have TEN crowns instead.

Then in Rev.13:11 forward, John is shown "another beast", and he appears AS a lamb, but speaks as the dragon (another title for Satan per Rev.12:9 and 20:2). And it will be Satan as that "another beast" that will rain fire (lightning) down on earth in the sight of men (showing his coming to this earth in person), working great signs and wonders to deceive God's people and the whole world.

That is the pseudo Christ ("false Christs") our Lord Jesus warned of in Matt.24:24 and Mark 13:22 (per the Greek pseudochristos).

In Rev.9, the locust army has a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit. That ain't nobody else but Satan himself, the dragon, the antichrist. It's the same beast king hinted at in our Lord's explanation of beast kings in Rev.17. He's that same beast that ascends out of the bottomless pit in Rev.11 to kill God's two witnesses.


Isa 14:7-17
7 The whole earth is at rest, and is quiet: they break forth into singing.

Timing of this verse? After Christ's return, when the whole earth will be at rest from the spiritual war during this world.


8 Yea, the fir trees rejoice at thee, and the cedars of Lebanon, saying, Since thou art laid down, no feller is come up against us.

People will rejoice then, and say that since Satan is laid down, no one has come up against them.


9 Hell from beneath is moved for thee to meet thee at thy coming: it stirreth up the dead for thee, even all the chief ones of the earth; it hath raised up from their thrones all the kings of the nations.
10 All they shall speak and say unto thee, Art thou also become weak as we? art thou become like unto us?

When Satan is locked in chains in the pit of hell after Christ's second coming, Satan's chief servants there with him will ask him, "Art thou also become weak as we? art thou become like unto us?"


11 Thy pomp is brought down to the grave, and the noise of thy viols: the worm is spread under thee, and the worms cover thee.
12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

No doubt now who God is saying this about and to. It's about and to Satan himself. God even mocks him by calling him "son of the morning". The word Lucifer was added by the translators, but they put a side note in the margin of 'O day starre'. It means morning star. Only our Lord Jesus is The True Morning Star (Rev.22). But Satan WANTS to be The Morning Star in place of Christ, and thus the true meaning of the NT word "antichrist".

Satan's servants have tricked many into missapplying that word "antichrist" to anything and everything else, but him.


13 For thou hast said in thine heart, "I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High."

God is quoting what Satan said he will do. What does that idea of sitting upon the mount of the congregation mean? It's about Satan coming to play Christ, sitting in the Temple of God, showing himself that he is God, like Apostle Paul said in 2 Thess.2. THIS Scripture in Isaiah is one of the places Apostle Paul was pulling from when teaching that in 2 Thess.2. But the tares (Satan's servants) don't want Christ's servants to realize that point.

What's God's answer to Satan?...


15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
16 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, "Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;
17 That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners?"
(KJV)


When Satan is locked in chains in the pit of hell after Christ's return, per Rev.20, some will look over into that pit at him and say, "Is this the man...?"


You should note something with what those will ask, "Is this the man...?"

God rebuked this same idea of Satan wanting to be God in Ezekiel 28, and God said He will show him that is NOT God, but just "a man".

The reason God refers to Satan as a 'man' is because God created him with the image of man, which is also the image of all angels. Even the meaning of Archangel Gabriel's name is 'man of God'.

That's how Satan is that "man of sin" Paul mentioned in 2 Thess.2, and the man of Rev.13 in relation to the 666 beast number about a man. Satan will appear on earth with the image of man, on the 6th seal, 6th trumpet, and 6th vial (666). That's the mystery of that number.

 

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I Jn 2:18
18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
(KJV)

The word "antichrist" is simply another title for Satan, the devil.

The idea of "many antichrists" is simply the devil's servants.

The "spirit of antichrist" (1 John 4:3) is also about influence of Satan's spirit among his servants.




Hi Veteran. In comparing the two verses you mentioned....

11 Thessalonians 2:4-5 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?

Isaiah 14:12-14 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.​


They do appear to be the same event. If Lucifer is Satan (and I do believe he is) then....I need to rethink this.

Thank you for bringing this forward...... :)



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I Jn 2:18
18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
(KJV)

The word "antichrist" is simply another title for Satan, the devil.

But that's not what the text says, does it?


In ancient times of old, Satan first rebelled against God in coveting His Throne. Satan drew one third of the angels (stars) into rebellion along with him. Satan did that with a beast kingdom shown in Rev.12:3-4 that had ten horns, seven heads, but only seven crowns.
So what portions of Revelation do you hold to be past, obviously 12:3-4?
And by what Biblical merit do you hold them to be past beyond assumption that "it must be"?
 

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But that's not what the text says, does it?

So what portions of Revelation do you hold to be past, obviously 12:3-4?
And by what Biblical merit do you hold them to be past beyond assumption that "it must be"?

Haven't we been through all that already?

A portion of Rev.12 was past history, while the majority of it is yet future. Many, many Scriptures throughout all of God's Word still have unfulfilled events written among historical events, especially in the Old Testament prophets. If folks would spend as much time in study of the Old Testament Books as they do in the New Testament Books, they'd have a greater opportunity to understand this matter, and not become subjected to men's made up traditions about it.

Both Old and New Testament Books weave together to make up the 'whole' Loaf of Bread. Leave either out and all you'll have is fragments with men's leaven added to make it appear like the whole Loaf.



 

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A portion of Rev.12 was past history, while the majority of it is yet future. Many, many Scriptures throughout all of God's Word still have unfulfilled events written among historical events, especially in the Old Testament prophets. If folks would spend as much time in study of the Old Testament Books as they do in the New Testament Books, they'd have a greater opportunity to understand this matter, and not become subjected to men's made up traditions about it.

Both Old and New Testament Books weave together to make up the 'whole' Loaf of Bread. Leave either out and all you'll have is fragments with men's leaven added to make it appear like the whole Loaf.

I asked, "What portion is past?"
You reply, "A part."

No kidding. I was looking for specifics.

I was also looking for reasoning. Using not, "It must be" or "I think it is", what evidence in the passage itself leads you to believe it's a past event?
 

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Hi Veteran. In comparing the two verses you mentioned....

11 Thessalonians 2:4-5 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?

Isaiah 14:12-14 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.​


They do appear to be the same event. If Lucifer is Satan (and I do believe he is) then....I need to rethink this.

Thank you for bringing this forward...... :)



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Veteran, I've been considering your post and thank you for it however, I still see the antichrist as our own selves, our old nature, our old man that must be crucified.


Do I think Satan shall appear? Yes I do. But until then he sits in us (instead of Christ) until we kick him out, for we are the temple of God. We are either filled with the Spirit of Christ or that of Satan, the instead of Christ. We sit as the image of Christ or the image of the one "shewing himself as God," being "like the most High."



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