The notion that a human can gain knowledge by eating the fruit of a tree, is absolutely absurd, and, does not happen. The idea that the impossible attainment of knowledge of good and evil, by eating a forbidden fruit, constituted Adam and Eve sinners worthy of punishment, is psychotic. The proposition that Christ can conquer the nonsensical/impossible original sin of ingesting knowledge by eating a fruit, is radically super-stupidly ridiculous.
Knowing via eating fruit constitutes the basis of Judaism/Christianity.
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quietthinker
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Why don't you tell us what your "other faith" is? Evidently you have put your faith in something or someone.
Marc RL Ministry
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Every time you eat from Jesus, The Apostles, Timothy's, Paul's, Moses words etc you're eat from a tree of the holy bible it depicts trees as people prophets and us as the branches the fruit you get from them is either good or bad/evil but I focus on Christ teachings and it always produce good fruit from following it and when I don't its worldly things or other prophets I am following.
Have a think about it Adam and Eve ate from Satan knowledge of Gods word the tree of knowledge of Good and Evil is the Holy Bible and Tree of Life is Jesus Christ teachings in New Testament. God loves us that much he has given us the chance to be like himself.
John 1 says in the beginning was the word, the was with God and the word was God, he was in the beginning and all things that were made were made through him.
Have a think about it Adam and Eve ate from Satan knowledge of Gods word the tree of knowledge of Good and Evil is the Holy Bible and Tree of Life is Jesus Christ teachings in New Testament. God loves us that much he has given us the chance to be like himself.
John 1 says in the beginning was the word, the was with God and the word was God, he was in the beginning and all things that were made were made through him.
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Rising again from death; raising the dead; being inside a whale's belly; parting the sea; walking on water; feeding the multitude; determining human conduct via law; being deity; living 969 years; virgin birth; six days of creation; 6000 year old earth; the devil; angels; Christ returning out of outer space...all are childish wishful thinking and complete nonsense/embarrassment. Any other intelligence encountering our serious belief in these notions would deem us dunces.
You mistakenly presuppose I exercise a "faith'' in something or someone other than common sense and rational reason; and, this is not about me...its about scripture.
So, you think eating from the tree of knowledge of good and evil is merely metaphorical and, that Adam and Eve were actually reading some written script?
quietthinker
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I hear what you are saying yet even with the rational you employ there is so much that you cannot account for .....like your heartbeats source, what constitutes electricity or flame and so on.
The awareness that Jesus rose from the dead; the event including the ability to see its reality is not born of rational because clearly it is irrational to mens processes....it has a source which you are unfamiliar with.
As you no doubt know, when a cup is full, try as you might, adding to it only wastes but there are other options which you would also understand and that is asking, seeking and knocking has the possibility of opening new horizons.
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No it is about you, since you are the one trying to WARP what is in Scripture. You haven't the slightest idea about this matter. So what is your "other faith", since you did not say "No faith or religion"?
Not that it is any of your business, and, you are clearly bent on pursuing an argumentum ad hominem, (instead of explaining how eating fruit is educational), Buddhism is more sensible.
Simply to question that fruit is efficient to give knowledge is not to "warp" scripture, which is already warped per maintaining eating fruit is enlightening. Whoever originated the position that fruit is educational to ingest, is simply attempting to see how absurd a piece of nonsense men can be misled into swallowing.
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The Bible is written in such a way as to sound foolish to those that are ignorant. It is God's way of separating the 'Dunces' in the classroom from those that are trying to learn.
So, which one are you OP?
Are you here to act like a Dunce, or are you here to learn?
If you are here to learn, then we can begin with the tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil...
Genesis 2:17
"But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die."
You know what that Tree was?
YO MAMMA!
Yep, the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil was your Mom. Not only that, but it would seem that everyone has had a go with her (if you know what I mean).
I guess that is why God calls your Mom a Whore. Apparently she really gets around... lol. Now before you get all triggered and freak out, allow me to reveal the Punch Line.
The Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil is called Mystery Babylon...
Revelation 17:5
And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.
She is EVERYONE'S MOM. OK?
The Forbidden Fruit is what we call an Ovum.
And everyone has partaken of it. It is how we got here. Understand?
Then there is the Serpent. You know... that thing between your legs? Yes that thing. It casts a flood out of its mouth after the Woman in order to fertilize Mystery Babylon's 'Forbidden Fruit' Ovum. The flood is called the Seed of the Serpent.
The Seed of the Serpent is what we call Sperm.
Do you get it yet? Ye are of your father the Devil. Literally.
The Seed of the Serpent mingled with the Forbidden Fruit to produce a Zygote.
The moment Adam and Eve partook of said Zygote is what we call Conception.
And there you have it. Everyone that has ever lived has partaken of the Forbidden Fruit. You want some more OP?
Here is a nice description of the Forbidden Fruit here...
Revelation 17:4
"And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:"
There you go OP. You can drink up that Hot Mess any time you want. Nummy nums! Keep swallowing that load until you've accumulated your knowledge of Good and Evil.
Good luck.
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Ziggy
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This is a test...
I just know it.
Can you discern it friends???
Don't fall for it..
LOVE YOUS
HUGS
I just know it.
Can you discern it friends???
Don't fall for it..
LOVE YOUS
HUGS
Indeed, via that exposition I learn that biblical nonsensicality wildly exceeds my original estimation. Base 12 holds a PhD in radically senseless transcendent absurdity!The Bible is written in such a way as to sound foolish to those that are ignorant. It is God's way of separating the 'Dunces' in the classroom from those that are trying to learn.
So, which one are you OP?
Are you here to act like a Dunce, or are you here to learn?
If you are here to learn, then we can begin with the tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil...
Genesis 2:17
"But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die."
You know what that Tree was?
YO MAMMA!
Yep, the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil was your Mom. Not only that, but it would seem that everyone has had a go with her (if you know what I mean).
I guess that is why God calls your Mom a Whore. Apparently she really gets around... lol. Now before you get all triggered and freak out, allow me to reveal the Punch Line.
The Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil is called Mystery Babylon...
Revelation 17:5
And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.
She is EVERYONE'S MOM. OK?
The Forbidden Fruit is what we call an Ovum.
And everyone has partaken of it. It is how we got here. Understand?
Then there is the Serpent. You know... that thing between your legs? Yes that thing. It casts a flood out of its mouth after the Woman in order to fertilize Mystery Babylon's 'Forbidden Fruit' Ovum. The flood is called the Seed of the Serpent.
The Seed of the Serpent is what we call Sperm.
Do you get it yet? Ye are of your father the Devil. Literally.
The Seed of the Serpent mingled with the Forbidden Fruit to produce a Zygote.
The moment Adam and Eve partook of said Zygote is what we call Conception.
And there you have it. Everyone that has ever lived has partaken of the Forbidden Fruit. You want some more OP?
Here is a nice description of the Forbidden Fruit here...
Revelation 17:4
"And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:"
There you go OP. You can drink up that Hot Mess any time you want. Nummy nums! Keep swallowing that load until you've accumulated your knowledge of Good and Evil.
Good luck.
Ronald David Bruno
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This is a very good point, glad you brought it up.
The Tree did not possess any knowledge of good and evil, it was just a tree that God told Adam and Eve not to eat of.
His rule/law was broken. That was the disobedient act, sin that released God's knowledge of Good and Evil into the world. This one act had spiritual and physical effects that only God could create. Sin was released causing distortions, defects, decay, illnesses, diseases, viruses, harmful bacteria, destruction and ultimately death.
Fear was introduced. All the animal kingdom became fearful of eachother and man. What was a harmonious and peaceful life, now became a challenge, and at times dangerous. There were now predators and prey, we have to be cautious about who or what is for us and who or what is against us.
They spiritually died that day! Physically, down to the cellular level, death became a reality to them and all life forms on the planet.
It is important to realize that we could not understand and know God's attributes, (all that is good), unless we lived and experienced what it was like to be without them, to experience their opposites, evil.
We could not know or value life, love, mercy, forgiveness, healing, peace, kindness, goodness, joy, creativity, beauty, patience, hope, comfort and faith, unless we experience
evil. It was necessary, it was HIS PLAN. Sin spiritually separated us from God, like a dead battery in a cell phone ..."Hello, hello... is anyone there ... God, can you hear me ... why don't I feel your presence ... why don't you communicate with me?"
And this is the state of fallen man, we are all born separate from God, spiritually dead.
I fully appreciate God and all that He has done and offered. I appreciate good people, good thoughts and behavior; because I known the difference.
Knowledge and wisdom comes slowly.
Children learn the difference between good and evil and hopefully have good parents to guide them and teach them as they grow. They need to make the right choices. Bad choices have consequences. One bad choice can effect your life, be detrimental, destructive.
Ultimately, the purpose of life is to be reconciled back to God through Christ, who died for our sins.
Faith comes by the word of God. You just come to God like a child, in humility, with openness. Read and hear His Word and it has the power to change your life. You will begin to know Christ. Pray, talk to God and ask Him for understanding, guidance and ultimately for forgiveness and He will give you eternal life. If you believe in Him, He will wash your sins away and then you can know God.
Otherwise, you will remain lost, dead and will not know God, the source if all that is good and you will die in yours sins and be judged and destroyed.
He stands at the door and knocks, if anyone opens the door (of their heart), He will come in and sup with you. He doesn't force Himself, He is polite, patience and loves you.
He wants a relationship with you.
This is your biggest choice in life, open the door or keep it shut.
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That disobedience to Jehovah's "law'' constitutes "sin'' is the grandest dishonorable con of all time, for all human determination to act originates ex nihilo, out of the non-being of the freedom of the actor, and never out of some given state of affairs like law. Omnis determinatio est negatio. That Jehovah attempted to determine human conduct by given law, demonstrates that Jehovah did not comprehend the negative structure of the origination of a human act, and, hence was not man's creator. If Jehovah had in fact made Adam, Jehovah would have known that law, a given, cannot be determinative/originative of human conduct; hence Jehovah/Christ are not deity.
Marc RL Ministry
Active Member
JOHN 1
1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2The same was in the beginning with God. 3All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4In him was life; and the life was the light of men. 5And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
Adam and Eve ate from satan's knowledge of good and evil it says in Genesis the man has become like One of us knowing good and evil notice the One is in capitals and the us is not, he is that tree and we all ate from it and Jesus Christ is the tree of Life which we can eat from and live again if we remain in him.
They were told they could freely feed off any tree in Eden but not the tree of the knowledge of good and evil but satan deceived them to eat from himself they could of eaten from Jesus and lived forever and been like God only knowing good but choose satan so its true what Jesus said if you eat from it you will die.
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Desire Of All Nations
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The Bible never says anything about Jonah being in a whale's belly. It says he was in the belly of a "great fish". Also, i fail to understand how ridiculous it is to believe a man can be trapped in a fish of that size when nobody who studies marine life can state as an absolute certainty that no such fish has ever existed. As a species, we haven't explored the oceans nearly as much as we have explored outer space. I also find it interestingly that you think everything the Bible says is ridiculous, but you find it to be completely plausible that there are intelligent life forms on other planets with absolutely no proof that they exist.
