Microchips Under the Skin

kcnalp said:

Quote where I judged you.

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you keep saying that if I don't change my path and start believing like you I'm going to hell along with other JW and therefore won't be in Gods kingdom. You say in post #161: "If I hated you I wouldn't be trying keep you from going to Hell forever and ever with Kingdom Hall." So when I said if you don't change your path you won't be in God's kingdom you're saying the same thing if I don't change.

kcnalp said:

We've just got a glimpse of Satan. Yes he is very subtle. He knows his time is short and I believe the WORST is soon to come on humanity. How many nukes are ready to fire in an instant on Earth? Are you Preterist?

Matthew 24:21-22 (NKJV)
21 For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22 And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved; but for the elect's sake those days will be shortened.

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Yes! The worst is SOON to come on humanity, but by satan's hand.
In the day that no more men believe that God is, then and only then will Jesus return in all His Glory, to save His people, and simultaneously destroy all the unbelievers.
Among them, there will be no survivors or escapees!

Satan's end goal is world Peace and safety, but the process for him to achieve that, shall be utter Global Chaos.

BARNEY BRIGHT said:

The scriptures tell us that all scripture is inspired by God to teach us the truth. So in scripture the spirit person who bears the name Michael is referred to as, "one of the chief princes," " the great prince who has charge of your [Daniel's] people," and as " the archangel."(Daniel 10:13;12:1; Jude 9) Michael means "who is like God" This Archangel Michael is the one who takes the lead in upholding Jehovah's sovereignty and destroying God's enemies. Why at 1 Thessalonians 4:16 is Jesus command regarding the resurrection to begin described as "the archangel call" and Jude 9 says the archangel is Michael. Do you think it's appropriate to liken Jesus commanding call to that of someone lesser in authority to him? Because I don't. It's reasonable for me to believe that the archangel is Jesus Christ. You and others will believe that their is someone else other than God and his only begotten son who has equal authority to them in regard to resurrecting the dead. I do not. So since an archangel call is what resurrects the dead, the archangel is Jesus Christ

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Your problem is scripture says Jesus created everything that was made, without exception- thus in order to be a created being called the angel Michael, He had to create Himself, too.

Michael dared not strongly rebuke Satan, but had to say, the Lord rebuke you. Jude 1:9

Jesus has all authority in heaven and on earth, Michael does not.

And no fallen angel could prevent Jesus from going anywhere for 21 days, but was able to hold off Michael from going to Daniel that long.

Jesus returns and an angel blows the trumpet and shouts, but it’s Jesus that raises the dead, not an angel.

BARNEY BRIGHT said:

Regarding the body Jesus was resurrected with after his death, 1Corinthians 15: 42-50 tells us he was resurrected with a spirit body. The only ones who saw Jesus after his resurrection were his Apostles and disciples, Including the 500. 1Corinthians 15:6 shows that the 500 which saw Jesus were brothers, believers. Ask yourself a question why is it that the Roman guards who were guarding Jesus grave saw the door to the grave open and saw the two angels but they didn't see Jesus. Only believers in Jesus saw him after his resurrection. Jesus, because he was resurrected a powerful immortal and incorruptible spirit being, could manifest himself with a fleshly body so his Apostles and disciples could see him. But Jesus was resurrected as a life giving spirit who was immortal and incorruptible. 1Corinthians 15:42-50 shows that Jesus was resurrected with a spiritual body. You can argue any way you want but Jesus was a human in the likeness of the first human Adam when he was on earth before his death, he was not immortal nor incorruptible before his death otherwise he would not been able to experience death. Being immortal means you're beyond death. Jesus wasn't resurrected as a human when he was resurrected because no human including Jesus has ever been immortal or incorruptible. Jesus wasn't resurrected with a human body, he sacrificed that human body willingly for mankind. Jesus himself said to his Apostles and disciples before he died that the world would never see him again and no unbeliever has. John 14:19

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Jesus rose with a physical body of flesh and bones, said He, and said specifically that He was NOT just spirit, and He ate fish to further prove it:

Luk 24:36 And as they thus spake, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.

Luk 24:37 But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit.

Luk 24:38 And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts?

Luk 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

Luk 24:40 And when he had thus spoken, he shewed them his hands and his feet.

Luk 24:41 And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here any meat?

Luk 24:42 And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb.

Luk 24:43 And he took it, and did eat before them.

Jesus of course is a spirit that dwells in His body of flesh and bones, just like we are a spirit that dwells in a body.

Also, Jesus did not die on the cross. His physical body He incarnated into when He left the form of God to become a man, Philippians 2:6-7, died on the cross.

Jesus’ spirit descended into the heart of the earth and preached to spirits held there in captivity, for the three days His body lay in the tomb.

Eph 4:9 (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?

Eph 4:10 He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)


1Pe 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

1Pe 3:19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;

BARNEY BRIGHT said:

Regarding when Jesus ascended to heaven, only believers, Jesus Apostles and disciples saw this happen, the world in general, unbelievers, never saw this happen. Jesus second presence will be quietly, the world in general, unbelievers, will not believe this happens just as the Jews in general, unbelievers, didn't know Jesus ascension happened. Only believers will know that Jesus second presence has begun.

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Jesus visibly ascended to heaven on a cloud - and scripture says He will return exactly in the same way He left - scripture never says that only believers will see Him when He returns, and in fact says EVERY EYE will see Him when He comes on a cloud:

Rev 1:7 Behold, he cometh with CLOUDS ; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

Interesting little tidbits.
Fauci was the 3rd highest paid civil employee in 2018 and the surname of Fauci means sickle, maker of sickles, Iike for reaping a harvest, cutting down wheat and grain.

BARNEY BRIGHT said:

I know if you don't change your path you will not be in Gods kingdom

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FYI, there’s no New Testament statement that believers will be Jehovahs witnesses, but Jesus did tell the church they will be Jesus’ witnesses in Acts 1:8.

The biblical way to enter the kingdom is to become a child of God.

To become a child of God, you must receive Jesus, (John 1:12),by asking Him into your heart (Revelation 3:20), where He then dwells (Ephesians 3:17and Colossians 1:27), plus repent and ask Him to forgive your sins so they are forgiven (Acts 3:19 and Acts 20:21), and call upon His name to be saved Romans 10:13.

Prayer for salvation: Lord Jesus, I believe you died for my sins and rose again - please come into my heart, forgive my sins, save my soul, and make me a new creation. In your name, amen.

That’s it. You don’t have to work your way into the kingdom by knocking on doors, while you’re being followed and observed by someone recording how many hours you go door to door.

Rom 4:5 And to the one who does not work but believes in him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted as righteousness,

Curtis said:

Your problem is scripture says Jesus created everything that was made, without exception- thus in order to be a created being called the angel Michael, He had to create Himself, too.

Michael dared not strongly rebuke Satan, but had to say, the Lord rebuke you. Jude 1:9

Jesus has all authority in heaven and on earth, Michael does not.

And no fallen angel could prevent Jesus from going anywhere for 21 days, but was able to hold off Michael from going to Daniel that long.

Jesus returns and an angel blows the trumpet and shouts, but it’s Jesus that raises the dead, not an angel.

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God created his only begotten Son and then all other person's and everything else was created through God's only Begotten Son. The book of Revelation shows us that The Only Begotten Son of God was the beginning of creation.(Revelation 3:14) Colossians 1:15 shows also that Jesus is part of creation. The phrase, "the firstborn of" is used in the scriptures upwards of at least thirty times before Colossians 1:15 and each and every time consistently when dealing with living creatures whether they be animals or human what is said to be firstborn is part of the group. For example, "the firstborn of" Egypt, are people in the nation of Egypt. "The firstborn of" Israel, are people in that nation of Israel. This is consistent in scripture. So the Only Begotten Son of God is shown in scripture to part of creation.

The scriptures show at Daniel 10:13 that it was another angel of God that was detained for 21 days and Michael came to the rescue of that Angel. No one prevented Michael for 21 days.

I've never said the Only Begotten Son of God wouldn't raise the the dead, I said that the Only Begotten Son of God is the same as Michael, which would explain why the Only Begotten Son of God call when the resurrection begins is likened to the archangel call. If Michael the archangel isn't the Only Begotten Son of God why would a angel have equal authority concerning the resurrection. It's in scripture that it's the Only Begotten Son of God who has the keys of death and hades/hell so again why would the Only Begotten Son of God call at the resurrection of the dead be likened to the archangel call. If Michael isn't Jesus this archangel wouldn't have the same authority that Jesus does so why do the scriptures show this archangel to have this authority as the Only Begotten Son of God. Paul’s expression “archangel’s voice” evidently focuses attention on the authority of Jesus’ voice of command. Jesus, when on earth, revealed the authority that God invested in him. This authority this archangel has can only be only if the archangel Michael
is indeed the Only Begotten Son of God.
Also the authority of this archangel is shown in scripture when it says at Revelation 12:7- 12- And war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels battled with the dragon, and the dragon and its angels battled. And I heard a loud voice in heaven say: ‘Now have come to pass the salvation and the power and the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God and the authority of his Christ, because the accuser of our brothers has been hurled down . . . On this account be glad, you heavens and you who reside in them! Woe for the earth and for the sea.’” Jesus Christ is later depicted as leading the heavenly armies in war against the nations of the earth. Since the Son of God is to fight the nations, it is only reasonable that he was the one who with his angels earlier battled against the superhuman dragon, Satan the Devil, and his angels. I believe that the archangel Michael is the Only Begotten Son of God because I don't think anyone in heaven or on earth has equal authority or more than the Only Begotten Son of God. Jesus Father who is God is superior to the Only Begotten Son of God but no one else has more authority or equal authority to the Only Begotten Son of God.

kcnalp said:

Have you read the NWT Barney? It says Jesus is God and Hell is eternal. Don't believe Kingdom Hall Satanic lies!

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I have read the NWT. You're in error when you say such things about the NWT.

BARNEY BRIGHT said:

God created his only begotten Son and then all other person's and everything else was created through God's only Begotten Son. The book of Revelation shows us that The Only Begotten Son of God was the beginning of creation.(Revelation 3:14) Colossians 1:15 shows also that Jesus is part of creation.

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Firstborn of all creation means He has the preeminence over all creation - it’s a well known Jewish idiom.

When it says in Revelation 3:14 He’s the beginning of Gods creation, it means He’s the author of creation, not the first to be created, as various translations show:

ISV:
Rev 3:14 "To the messenger of the church in Laodicea, write: 'The Amen, the witness who is faithful and true, the originator of God's creation, says this:

TLV:
Rev 3:14 To the angel of Messiah’s community in Laodicea write: “Thus says the Amen, the Faithful and True Witness, the Originator of God’s creation:

Scripture is clear that Jesus is only the begotten Son in that God made a body for Him to inhabit at His incarnation:

Heb 10:5 Consequently, when Christ came into the world, he said, “Sacrifices and offerings you have not desired, but a body have you prepared for me;

And verses 16 and 17 put Colossians 1:15 into context - Jesus made all things, and is BEFORE all things - He obviously had to create Himself if He was the first to be created.

Col 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

Col 1:17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

Shalom.

Curtis said:

Firstborn of all creation means He has the preeminence over all creation - it’s a well known Jewish idiom.

When it says in Revelation 3:14 He’s the beginning of Gods creation, it means He’s the author of creation, not the first to be created, as various translations show:

ISV:
Rev 3:14 "To the messenger of the church in Laodicea, write: 'The Amen, the witness who is faithful and true, the originator of God's creation, says this:

TLV:
Rev 3:14 To the angel of Messiah’s community in Laodicea write: “Thus says the Amen, the Faithful and True Witness, the Originator of God’s creation:

Scripture is clear that Jesus is only the begotten Son in that God made a body for Him to inhabit at His incarnation:

Heb 10:5 Consequently, when Christ came into the world, he said, “Sacrifices and offerings you have not desired, but a body have you prepared for me;

And verses 16 and 17 put Colossians 1:15 into context - Jesus made all things, and is BEFORE all things - He obviously had to create Himself if He was the first to be created.

Col 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

Col 1:17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

Shalom.

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I've heard all these things before that you mentioned here and I don't buy it, God's Holy spirit inspired John to write in Revelation 3:14 that Jesus is the beginning of creation, if God meant originator of creation that's what God Holy Spirit would have inspired John to pen. Also Jesus himself said he has a Father and a God who is our Father and God at John 20:17. He said this after his resurrection. It's also shown in scripture that Jesus has a God even in the book of revelation. At Revelation 1:1 it's shown that Jesus isn't God. Also at Revelation 3:12.

I believe that the best way to learn the truth about Jesus is to examine what he said about himself.


Jesus said at John 6:38- “I have come down from heaven to do, not my will, but the will of him that sent me.” Now, that statement is a bit puzzling if Jesus were God. Jesus said he did not come down from heaven to do his own will. He said that he came to do the will of the One who sent him. If Jesus is God, who sent him down from heaven? This shows us that the Only Begotten Son of God was in heaven with God before becoming human. And why did Jesus yield to the will of that person?

He made a similar statement in the next chapter.

At John 7:16 Jesus said: "What I teach is not mine, but belongs to him that sent me." So did Jesus teach his own ideas? No, he said that his teachings belong to the One who sent him. I have to wonder: ‘Who sent Jesus? And who gave him the truths he taught?’ Wouldn’t that One be greater than Jesus? After all, the sender is superior to the one who is sent.

Consider, too, Jesus’ words at John 14:28: “You heard that I said to you, I am going away and I am coming back to you. If you loved me, you would rejoice that I am going my way to the Father, because the Father is greater than I am.” Based on that verse, how would you say Jesus viewed himself in relation to the Father? Jesus viewed God as his superior. Another example, notice what Jesus told his disciples as recorded at Matthew 28:18. That verse says: “All authority has been given me in heaven and on the earth.” So did Jesus say that he always had all authority? God has always had all authority. So why did Jesus say all authority in heaven and on Earth has been given to him when the True God has always had all authority in heaven and on Earth? Since people say Jesus is God but the scriptures show that Jesus was given more authority who gave him more authority? God, but people say Jesus is God.

Here’s something else to consider: We’ve read that Jesus spoke of God as his heavenly Father. And when Jesus was baptized, a voice from heaven referred to Jesus as His Son. In fact, Jesus specifically called himself God’s Son. Now, if you wanted to teach me that two people are equal, what sort of family relationship might you use to illustrate the point? Two brothers? Perhaps identical twins? But Jesus referred to God as the Father and to himself as the Son. So, what message do you suppose Jesus is conveying? It seems to me Jesus is describing one individual as being older and as having more authority than the other.

Think about this: If person came up with such a fitting illustration of equality, that of brothers or twins. If Jesus really were God, don’t you think that Jesus, as the Great Teacher, would have thought of the same comparison—or an even clearer example of equality if that was what Jesus was teaching? But, instead, he used the terms “Father” and “Son” to describe his relationship with God, not one of equality.


If Jesus truly is God, wouldn’t you expect that Jesus’ disciples would have plainly said so?

Yet, nowhere in the Scriptures do we read of their teaching that. On the contrary, notice what one of Jesus’ early followers, the apostle Paul, wrote. At Philippians 2:9, he describes what God did after Jesus’ death and resurrection: “God exalted him [Jesus] to a superior position and kindly gave him the name that is above every other name.” According to this verse, what did God do for Jesus? Doesn't the scriptures say God exalted him to a superior position?

But if Jesus were equal to God before he died and God later exalted him to a higher position, wouldn’t that put Jesus above God? How could anyone be superior to God?