About the Signs of the Second Coming of Jesus

Oseas · May 31, 2021

Jay Ross wrote to CharismaticLady

Jay Ross said:
In the Matt 25 Ten Virgins parable we are told of a fleeting visitation of the Lord to the face of the earth to gather and to enter into a marriage relationship with Israel once more. The Lord comes to the door, enters into the wedding feast and the door is shut after Him until He comes again to Judge the people of the earth in the Great White Throne room.

What you are saying has nothing to do with the Word of God, but a cunning fable.

Matthew 25:v.1 to 13

1 The kingdom of heaven (God's Kingdom-1 Cor.15:v.24 to 28 and Revelation 5:v.10) be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to MEET the bridegroom. (We must go forth to meet the Lord)

2 And five of them were wise, and five were foolish. (Thats the problem)

3 They that were foolish took their lamps (they know the Word of GOD), and took no oil with them: (they know only the letter of the Word of God, not the Holy Spirit)

4 But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps. (They are full of the Holy Spirit and are true disciples of the Lord JESUS)

5 While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept. (even the wises, Who is not sleping? after all it’s midnight)

6 And at midnight ("daybreak", turning of the day, turning of the millennium, we are in the beginning of the seventh and last millennium) there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to MEET Him.

7 Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps.

8 And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out. (apostatized from the faith-Luke 18:v.8-check it out)

9 But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves.

10 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.

NOTE
We can say the two Olive Trees gave rise to the Old Testament - the Torah - and to the New Testament. The Bible is a product originating from two Olive Trees written in two parts, in two different periods, which God uses as His powerful witnesses within the two candlesticks.
Everything that has been written is LITERALLY fulfilled in the world of men, and in the heavenly environments that were created by God for his people to inhabit in them, as is revealed in Ephesians 1:v.3 , and Philippians 3:v.20-21, among many others.

The foolish virgins will be outside of the Kingdom of heaven - God kingsdom -Revelation 11:v.15 to 18- . The foolishs that have only lamp , they will be outside of God's Kingdom, the Kingdom of heaven - include them which will be selling oil - Pastors, Bishops, pseudo Apostles, Evangelists, among others.

verses 11 to 13

11 Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us.

12 But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.

13 Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.

Be careful or get ready

Jay Ross said:
You have a need once again to go back and read very slowly all of the scriptures so as to connect all of the dots and not just the dots that you want to satisfy your private conclusions.

You must do the same.

Truth7t7 · May 31, 2021

Ronald Nolette said:
Teh fact that Israel rules over the world in the millenial kingdom is another difference. We all get saved in teh same way, but that doesan't mean we all have the same roles or purposes in Gods plan according to Scripture.

I will agree that the bible does not say that the rapture occurs "pre-trib', "mid-trib", "post trib" etc.

But instead of me simply regurgitating teh biblical facts in that manuscript I linked to CL why don't you read it for yourself? All I did was present words just like if I typed them.

And I cannot answer as to what you say is "pre-trib theology" as I do not know what you fully mean by that.

But the bible does give many implications for a pre trib rapture and a definitive statement for a pre trib rapture as well as an indirect explicit reason why the church will not be in the tribulation.

1. 1 Thess. the church will be delivered form the wrath to come. Only the "trib" is known as the wrath of God and the Lamb.
2. The purposes God has given in SCripture for the tribulation period.

You claim Jews get saved the same way as gentiles (Church) I agree, then you go on to create (Two Peoples Of God) within the (Church) based upon ethnic Heritage having different roles and purpose?

Your claims are in error, there will be no Millennial Kingdom, where ethnic Jews will rule the earth in a rebuilt temple from Jerusalem, some going so far as falsely teaching blood animal sacrifice will be resumed, blessed by God (Abomination) to the shed blood on Calvary by Jesus Christ my Lord.

Your claim of (Two Peoples Of God) within the (Church) with different roles and purpose based upon race, in ethnic heritage is "False"

Galatians 3:26-29KJV
26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Truth7t7 · May 31, 2021

CharismaticLady said:
Have your read Zechariah 14? You need to be able to discern what is about the Antichrist, and what is about Jesus Christ.

Behold, the day of the Lord is coming,
And your spoil will be divided in your midst.
2 For I will gather all the nations to battle against Jerusalem;
The city shall be taken,
The houses rifled,
And the women ravished.
Half of the city shall go into captivity,
But the remnant of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

3 Then the Lord will go forth
And fight against those nations,
As He fights in the day of battle.
4 And in that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives,
Which faces Jerusalem on the east.
And the Mount of Olives shall be split in two,
From east to west,
Making a very large valley;
Half of the mountain shall move toward the north
And half of it toward the south.

5 Then you shall flee through My mountain valley,
For the mountain valley shall reach to Azal.
Yes, you shall flee
As you fled from the earthquake
In the days of Uzziah king of Judah.

Thus the Lord my God will come,
And all the saints with You.

6 It shall come to pass in that day
That there will be no light;
The lights will diminish.
7 It shall be one day
Which is known to the Lord—
Neither day nor night.
But at evening time it shall happen
That it will be light.

8 And in that day it shall be
That living waters shall flow from Jerusalem,
Half of them toward the eastern sea
And half of them toward the western sea;
In both summer and winter it shall occur.
9 And the Lord shall be King over all the earth.
In that day it shall be—
“The Lord is one,”
And His name one.

Zechariah 14:1-12 below shows the Lords return to earth in fire in final judgement.

(Verse 1) shows "The Day Of The Lord" also seen in 2 Peter 3:10-13 "Fire Judgement" below

(Verse 2) Shows that all nations are gathered for the final battle of armageddon.

(Verses 3-5) shows the Lords return, and his eternal feet touch down on the earthly Mt, of Olives, and in the "Twinkling Of An Eye" 1 Cor 15:52 takes place, in the catching up, resurrection, final judgement by fire, and the New Heavens, Earth, and Jerusalem being revealed for eternity, judgement complete, eternity begins.

(Verses 6-7) Eternal light seen, in the eternal kingdom, Rev 22:1-5

(Verse 8) The river of life is seen, Rev 22:1-5

(Verse 10) The New creation is being revealed, the plain is lifted up.

(Verse 12) "The Day Of The Lord" showing the "Last Day" judgement by the Lords fire, as men are consumed as they stand on their feet, 2 Peter 3:10-13

2 Peter 3:10KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

"The Eternal Kingdom"!

Zechariah 14:1-12KJV
14 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
3 Then shall the Lord go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the Lord my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.
6 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark:
7 but it shall be one day which shall be known to the Lord, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light.
8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.
9 And the Lordshall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one Lord, and his name one.
10 All the land shall be turned as a plain from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem: and it shall be lifted up, and inhabited in her place, from Benjamin’s gate unto the place of the first gate, unto the corner gate, and from the tower of Hananeel unto the king’s winepresses.
11 And men shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more utter destruction; but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

amigo de christo · May 31, 2021

Oseas said:
Yes, by the way, he WILL GIVE to the Beast of sea -the Pope-the Papacy- his Power, and his Throne, and great Authority-Revelation 13:v.2-,
and one of the seven (7) heads of the Beast of sea that will be wounded to death, the deadly wound will be healed: and all the world will be wondered after the Beast.

4 And they -all the world- (worshipped) will worship the (Man) dragon which gave power unto the Beast (of sea): and they -all the world- will worship (worshipped) the Beast, saying, Who is like unto the Beast? who is able to make WAR with him? (Michael)

5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months. 1.260 days - combined with Revelation 11:v.1-2

6 And he -the Beast of sea- opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven. (heaven? Ephesians 1:v.3 and Philippians 3:v.20-21)

7 And it was given unto him to make WAR with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

9 If any man have an ear, let him hear.

Revelation 2:v.25 to 29

25 But that which ye have already hold fast till I come.

26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the END, to him will I give power over the nations:

27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.

28 And I will give him the morning star.

29 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

Yes indeed , let no man , woman or child make a covenant with the RCC and her false unity all inclusive religion

Oseas · May 31, 2021

Curtis said:
Yes His body was resurrected on the third day,

Oh the body of JESUS has two thousand years-that is the Church of Him here in the Earth, and by your answer your mind is in His sepulchre yet? What you knew and still know is only about the sign of the prophet Jonas?

When JESUS said -John 2:v.19-21 - Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up, He was not speaking of his flesh, but His Church
to be build within His Kingdom, the Kingdom of GOD, as was prophesied by Hoseas, saying: After TWO DAYS will He -JESUS- revive us: in the third Day He will raise us up, and we shall live in His sight. - This will fulfil literally from now on - WAKE UP

Don't you know yet? The God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, has put all things under His feet,
and gave Him to be the HEAD over all things to the Church, which is His body, the fulness of Him that filleth all in all. Ephesians 1:v.17 to 23

May the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, give unto you and ALL
the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of JESUS.

Ronald Nolette · May 31, 2021

Truth7t7 said:
You claim Jews get saved the same way as gentiles (Church) I agree, then you go on to create (Two Peoples Of God) within the (Church) based upon ethnic Heritage having different roles and purpose?

Your claims are in error, there will be no Millennial Kingdom, where ethnic Jews will rule the earth in a rebuilt temple from Jerusalem, some going so far as falsely teaching blood animal sacrifice will be resumed, blessed by God (Abomination) to the shed blood on Calvary by Jesus Christ my Lord.

Your claim of (Two Peoples Of God) within the (Church) with different roles and purpose based upon race, in ethnic heritage is "False"

Galatians 3:26-29KJV
26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Well as I don't make two people of god within the church, your message here is irrelevant. There is the OT people of God which are different than the church. then there are the tribulation saints who are not part of the body of Christ as well! They are saved and are saints but just not part of the bride of Christ!

And the distinctions are for the OT and tribulation saints and their roles in the millenial kingdom. We as the church have a totally different role. YOur reply is the same standard patr answer I hear from many covenant theology holders and replacement theology believers, both of which are wrong.

Oseas · May 31, 2021

GISMYS_7 said:
The earth will be cleanessed by fire and made new AFTER the 1000 year reign=== satan will be loose for a very short time when he will lead his last rebellion against God and God will defeat satan and all evil will be cast into the lake of fire for all eternity!!!

2Peter 3:v.7 reveals clearly that "the heavens and the earth, which ARE NOW (which exist NOW), by the same Word (of GOD) are kept in store, reserved unto FIRE against this Day of Judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

1 Corinthians 3:v.12-13

If any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;

13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the Day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by FIRE; and the FIRE shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

Isaiah 33:v.10 to14

10 Now will I rise, saith the Lord; now will I be exalted; now will I lift up myself.

11 Ye shall conceive chaff, ye shall bring forth stubble: your breath, as fire, shall devour you.

12 And the people shall be as the burnings of lime: as thorns cut up shall they be burned in the fire.

13 Hear, ye that are far off (the Gentiles), what I have done; and, ye that are near (the Jews), acknowledge my might.

14 The sinners in Zion are afraid; fearfulness hath surprised the hypocrites. Who among us shall dwell with the devouring FIRE?

who among us shall dwell with everlasting burnings?

NOTE:
The everlasting Spirit of GOD - the WORD - is a devouring FIRE, who among us shall dwell with everlasting burnings?
Since now, from now on, the reproved people shall be as the burnings of lime: as thorns cut up shall they be burned in the fire,
and the FIRE shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

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Truth7t7 · May 31, 2021

Ronald Nolette said:
Well as I don't make two people of god within the church, your message here is irrelevant. There is the OT people of God which are different than the church. then there are the tribulation saints who are not part of the body of Christ as well! They are saved and are saints but just not part of the bride of Christ!

And the distinctions are for the OT and tribulation saints and their roles in the millenial kingdom. We as the church have a totally different role. YOur reply is the same standard patr answer I hear from many covenant theology holders and replacement theology believers, both of which are wrong.

There are future tribulation saints who are saved by the blood of Jesus Christ, but their not part of the Church?

You now have 3 people's of God, OT Peoples Of God, Tribulation Saints Peoples Of God, And Church Peoples Of God, Big Smiles!

This is getting better by the minute, I'm putting my rubber boots on for the next post!

Jay Ross · May 31, 2021

Curtis said:
Yes His body was resurrected on the third day,

Well, I guess you missed that the first beast comes out of the SEA which is symbolic of a sea of humanity , and the mark of the beast is THE NUMBER OF A MAN, for just two relevant facts that you missed.

The only fallen angel connection with the A/C beast, is he’s possessed by Satan when He’s fatally wounded$ in the head, and returns to life, since Satan is a fallen angel.

Baruch HaShem Adonai.

I can tell you once, I can tell you twice, but there is no point to tell you a third time as you are not able to put the End Time line events into some semblance of the order that they will occur in. I perceive that you have not been able to piece the the relevant scriptures together to provide a coherent storyline for the End Times. Ephesians 6:12: - For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places. provides the clue that the beasts are wicked fallen heavenly hosts that can influence people, people groups, kingdoms, nations and empires such that they manifest the predominate characteristic of the respective beast that they are being influenced by.

As you rightly presented previously the beast of Rev 13:1-10 actually rises up out of the bottomless pit and, from my study of the scriptures, is an amalgamation of the four beasts of Daniel 7:1-12 which is inline with the story told in Daniel 7:19-26.

Have a great day.

GISMYS_7 · May 31, 2021

Yes!!! After the rapture then during the years of tribulation millions of people will wise up and become believers but they must then try to live under anti-christ rule. Why not believe now and be caught up in the very, very near rapture and keepyour head on??

Jay Ross · May 31, 2021

Curtis said:
First of all, my eschatology is mid trib, pre+wrath, pre mark, and premillennial, and it’s not a bias, it’s biblical.

Secondly the new marriage covenant, i.e., the new covenant with the Houses of Judah and Israel, per Jeremiah 31, has already occurred.

Hebrews 8 states Jesus IS the mediator of the new covenant, then quotes Jeremiah 31 to show which covenant Jesus is mediator of.

And yes, the new covenant is also a marriage covenant, just as the old one was a marriage covenant, that ended when God divorced Israel for spiritual adultery in Jeremiah 3:8.

Baruch HaShem Adonai.

What is the evidence for your claim that Jeremiah 31 has already occurred since Israel is still walking contrary to God.

Randy Kluth · May 31, 2021

Ronald Nolette said:
Well the new covenant is made with Israel, that is one different plan. The fact in Ez. 20 God forces the nation of Israel into the bond of the covenant is another difference. The fact that in Zech. 12 God allows 2/3 of all Jews to be killed during the trib and purifies the remaining 1/3 to receive Jesus as Messiah is another difference. The fact that Jesus said to Jews that they would not see Him again until they say blessed is he that comes .... is another difference. I can go on with many other examples.

Oh I agree. There are differences between nations. For example, one nation is called the U.S. and another is called the U.K. another New Zealand, etc. But the point is, all nations are under the same exact standard of righteousness and salvation. There are not 2 or 3 different systems, depending on the nation. There isn't the Law of Moses for Israel, and the New Covenant for other nations. Although Israel was, at one time, under the exclusive management of the Law of Moses, that system has expired, and all today, are under the same Christian standard world-wide.

Prophecy does describe Israel obtaining Salvation, as a nation, at a different date, ie in the endtimes. But a Jewish remnant has already been getting saved throughout the NT era. It's just that the entire nation cannot be saved until the majority of ungodly Jews are judged. And God is putting that off lest everybody gets judged, including those who would repent at the preaching of the Christian Gospel. Jews are, as a nation, under judgment today. But the nation has not yet come under final judgment.

So nations are judged in the current era. But they aren't completely destroyed so that some, who might be willing to repent, are given the chance.

There is no question that each nation has its own time with God. Israel began with God before any other nation had the chance to start. Later in history, the Roman Empire had its opportunity, England, Ireland, France, Germany, Scandinavia, Russia, etc. Each nation had its opportunity to hear and respond to the Gospel.

And many of these nations did repent and become Christian nations. It's just that each nation also eventually backslides and falls away, just as Israel did. Restoration of these nations requires judgment. And as I said, God puts off a more complete judgment so as to allow people to hear the Gospel who otherwise would be destroyed with the rebellious.

So of course, Israel has its own history. But it is still being dealt with by the same Christian Gospel that all nations are dealing with, no matter what stage it happens to be at in its history with God.

Ronald Nolette said:
The fact that Israel rules over the world in the millennial kingdom is another difference. We all get saved in teh same way, but that doesn't mean we all have the same roles or purposes in Gods plan according to Scripture.

I think we make the unfortunate assumption that Israel has a superior and an exclusive place in the Millennium because we are reading Scriptures that originated from a time when Israel was largely God's exclusive nation, oppressed by the rest of the world. Since that time, however, many other nations have become godly nations, regardless of whether they've gone the way of Israel, backsliding and falling away. So we can't view Israel as God's exclusive nation any more, with the whole world against them.

The purpose of the prophecy at the time was to guarantee that Israel, along with its worship of the one true God, would prevail against the entire rest of the world, who opposed monotheism and Israel. And even though that promise still remains, the same promise can now be applied to Christian nations if they also return to God.

Israel will have to return to God, but prophecy says that God will deliver them even before a national repentance takes place. Only a remnant will signal this national restoration by turning to Christ in the present age and in the endtimes. This will, I think, be true of all former Christian countries as well. Biblical orientation towards Israel exclusively does not prevent its application to other nations who come under the same conditions.

No, Abraham was promised a fatherhood over a multitude of nations. And in Rev 7 we sees those coming out to inherit the Millennial Kingdom. So Israel and the nations who embrace Christ as their King and his ways as their Constitution will find a good place in the Millennium, in my opinion.

Ronald Nolette said:
I will agree that the bible does not say that the rapture occurs "pre-trib', "mid-trib", "post trib" etc.

But instead of me simply regurgitating teh biblical facts in that manuscript I linked to CL why don't you read it for yourself? All I did was present words just like if I typed them.

I think that since the 70s I've answered every possible point Pretrib has to make. It's meaningless for me to read another book or tract on it when it's the same, and you're not really interested in discussing it. If you were interested in discussing it, you would bring out your best arguments (though after reading this, I realized later you did bring out your best points!). I assure you : I've answered every one of your best arguments. I don't care about the many allegories used to prove a doctrine. If it isn't stated as a doctrine, then it isn't a biblical doctrine and does not qualify as proof of a doctrine.

Ronald Nolette said:
And I cannot answer as to what you say is "pre-trib theology" as I do not know what you fully mean by that.

You may not know what I mean by asking for a "Pretrib Theology" simply because it doesn't exist. A theology consists of explicitly-stated doctrines in the Bible. When we put these all together we form a Systematic Theology. An overarching systematic theology may be somewhat debatable. But the doctrinal statements upon which we build a systematic theology is not debatable. The doctrines are either explicitly stated or not.

If the Bible outright declares that Jesus physically rose from the dead, that is an example of an explicitly-stated doctrine. Jesus rose from the dead, physically: Fact.

The Bible also states that Jesus was the product of God's Word becoming flesh. Explicit doctrine: Fact.
The Bible states that Jesus was born of a virgin, and was sinless. Explicit doctrine: Fact.
The Bible states that Jesus is coming again from heaven on the last day. Explicit doctrine: Fact.
The Bible states that Jesus cannot come for his Church unless the Antichrist comes 1st. Explicit doctrine: Fact. 2 Thes 2.
The Bible does *not* explicitly say that Christ comes back for his Church on an unknown day *before* the revelation of Antichrist: Not explicit doctrine: not Fact. It's contradicted by 2 Thes 2.

Ronald Nolette said:
But the bible does give many implications for a pre trib rapture and a definitive statement for a pre trib rapture as well as an indirect explicit reason why the church will not be in the tribulation.

1. 1 Thess. the church will be delivered form the wrath to come. Only the "trib" is known as the wrath of God and the Lamb.
2. The purposes God has given in SCripture for the tribulation period.

I think that's an honest and a respectable answer. I don't agree, but I think it's said with a good spirit. I do think the "Tribulation Period" brings God's wrath, but I think that godly people can live through times of God's wrath without being the *objects* of that wrath.

Case in point: Jesus and Jeremiah--both went through periods of divine wrath and suffered the ill effects of that "wrath" without being the *objects* of that wrath. In that case explicit biblical theology indicates that Jesus did not will for his Church to be taken *out of the world* but rather, *kept* in the world.

And explicit biblical doctrine indicates that Christians do suffer in times of divine wrath, such as when God brought judgment in 70 AD against the Jewish people. The Christians, at that time, lost their homes and livelihoods, and were not completely delivered from the effects of that "punishment." Jesus said that "in the world you will suffer tribulation, but I have overcome the world."

Thanks for your thoughts. I hope you consider mine?

Jay Ross · May 31, 2021

Curtis said:
Hebrews 8 states Jesus IS the mediator of the new covenant, then quotes Jeremiah 31 to show which covenant Jesus is mediator of.

And yes, the new covenant is also a marriage covenant, just as the old one was a marriage covenant, that ended when God divorced Israel for spiritual adultery in Jeremiah 3:8.

Actually, Jesus is the mediator of a newer form of the original salvation covenant which He refurbished personally.

The Refurbished Covenant made like new again for the House of Israel and the House of Judah in Jeremiah 31 is basically the same covenant made at Mt Sinai which was a covenant pertaining to Israel becoming a Kingdom of Priests, a Holy Nation and God's possession among the Nations. It seems that you are confusing the two covenants, i.e. the Salvation Covenant which has been in effect since the time of Adam and the Mt Sinai covenant of a Kingdom of Priests, a Holy Nation and God's possession among the Nations. Sadly this misunderstanding prevails the church today.

Oseas · May 31, 2021

Randy Kluth said:
I also only hold to a 3.5 years final Tribulation--not a 7 years Tribulation supposedly taught in Dan 9. But we each have our own convictions--I'm just sharing mine.

The first half of the last week Daniel 9:v.27 will be ruled by the Beast of sea-Revelation 13:v.5- according to the treaty that will be made between the Dragon and the Beast of sea-Revelation 13:v.2- . The Dragon will give his Power, and his Throne in the temple of Jerusalem, and his Authority to the Beast of sea-the blasphemer Pope, the Papacy, and the Papacy, or the Pope, but not Pope Francis, but the next and last Pope, he will sit on the Throne of the Dragon in Israel-2 Thessalonians 2:v.11-12-(strong delusion), and will blasphemy against God and his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heavenly places in Christ-Ephesians 1:v.3.

Revelation 13:v.8-10

And it was given unto the Beast of sea to make War with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

9 If any man have an ear, let him hear.

When the FIRST half of the week, as described above, ends, then the Dragon will sit on his Throne and will oppose and exalt himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God will sit in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. And the Abomination of Desolation will be established and Revelation 13:v.11 to 18 will be FULFILLED LITERALLY.

All God's people must get ready. The events above are at door.

As is written, If any man have an ear, let him hear.

Jay Ross · May 31, 2021

Oseas said:
You must do the same.

I do. Every day I go back and consider what I lack in my understanding of the End Times. However, you have not provided me with any newer insight into the End Times for me to consider. You lack the understanding that make the scriptures come alive with excitement in our Souls as we watch God's prophetic End Time Prophecies unfold before us.

Have a good day now.

Jay Ross · May 31, 2021

Oseas said:
ay Ross, That is your private interpetation of Hoseas 6:v.1-3, this passage is combined with John 2:v.19-21:
19 Jesus said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
21 But he spake of the temple of his body. -the Church-Eph.1:v.21-22 and 1Cor.12:v.27-31, among others Scriptures.

In His mind, JESUS was speaking of His Church that He would go to build in three Days. Don't you think that this is marvelous? Well, the third Day has already gotten, and the words of JESUS will really fulfill LITERALLY hence forwards or from now on and the days will be shortenned.

But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one Day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one Day.

From JESUS until now has passed two complete Days or two thousand years, we are living in the beginning of the third Day , exactly in the beginning of the first century of the third millennium.

The third Day exactly coincides with the seventh and last Day or seventh and last millennium that we have just entered. We are
living right at the beginning of the first century of this last millennium or the seventh and last Day, the Lord's Day, and JESUS
will fulfil LITERALLY what He said day after day, even being invisible, for a while evidently.

It is interesting to note that you said what I had posted was my own private interruption, but you then went on to provide a similar argument to the one I had provided but where I had used Hosea 6:1-2 to highlight the events that will prevail for the nation of Israel, you instead used both to establish your private interpretation with respect to Christ re-establishing God Temple, in the Body of the Saints, but not, IMHO, until three days of the Lord have passed.

Shalom

Truth7t7 · May 31, 2021

Jay Ross said:
I can tell you once, I can tell you twice, but there is no point to tell you a third time as you are not able to put the End Time line events into some semblance of the order that they will occur in. I perceive that you have not been able to piece the the relevant scriptures together to provide a coherent storyline for the End Times. Ephesians 6:12: - For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places. provides the clue that the beasts are wicked fallen heavenly hosts that can influence people, people groups, kingdoms, nations and empires such that they manifest the predominate characteristic of the respective beast that they are being influenced by.

As you rightly presented previously the beast of Rev 13:1-10 actually rises up out of the bottomless pit and, from my study of the scriptures, is an amalgamation of the four beasts of Daniel 7:1-12 which is inline with the story told in Daniel 7:19-26.

Have a great day.

The Future Human Man, The Antichrist Seen Below In (Daniel) 11:37 Will Be A Hebrew/Jew In Decent, His Fathers Worshipped The True Hebrew (God Of His Fathers)

(Daniel) 11:37KJV
37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.

Examples: God Of His Fathers

(2 Kings) 21:22KJV
22 And he forsook the Lord God of his fathers, and walked not in the way of the Lord.

(2 Chronicles) 21:10KJV
10 So the Edomites revolted from under the hand of Judah unto this day. The same time also did Libnah revolt from under his hand; because he had forsaken the Lord God of his fathers.

Jay Ross · May 31, 2021

Oseas said:
What you are saying has nothing to do with the Word of God, but a cunning fable.

We all need to be careful when we made blanket statements like this as it often is a reflection of the cunning fables that we weave into our understanding of the scriptures. Need I say any more.

Jay Ross · May 31, 2021

Truth7t7 said:
The Future Human Man, The Antichrist Seen Below In (Daniel) 11:37 Will Be A Hebrew/Jew In Decent, His Fathers Worshipped The True Hebrew (God Of His Fathers)

(Daniel) 11:37KJV
37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.

Examples: God Of His Fathers

(2 Kings) 21:22KJV
22 And he forsook the Lord God of his fathers, and walked not in the way of the Lord.

(2 Chronicles) 21:10KJV
10 So the Edomites revolted from under the hand of Judah unto this day. The same time also did Libnah revolt from under his hand; because he had forsaken the Lord God of his fathers.

You can believe what you like, but it is not in line with what the scriptures presents.

Curtis · May 31, 2021

Truth7t7 said:
Curtis There Will Be No 1,000 Year Millennial Kingdom Upon This Earth, Jesus Christ Returns In Fire And Final Judgement, Dissolving This Existing Earth By Fire, Immediately After The Tribulation.

This Existing Heaven And Earth Will Be (Replaced) By The New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, A New Creation, At The Return Of Jesus Christ!

(Behold, I Make All Things New)

2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Revelation 21:1-5KJV
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

1 Corinthians 3:13KJV
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Malachi 3:2KJV
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

Psalm 46:6KJV
6 The heathen raged, the kingdoms were moved: he uttered his voice, the earth melted.

Psalm 50:3KJV
3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.

Psalm 97:5KJV
5 The hills melted like wax at the presence of the Lord, at the presence of the Lord of the whole earth.

Isaiah 66:15KJV
15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.

Zechariah 14:12KJV
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Nahum 1:5-6KJV
5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.
6 Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him.

Revelation 20:9KJV
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

Because the earth is described in scripture as having been DESTROYED by water, yet it’s the same planet, and because the Bible twice states WORLD WITHOUT END, and because there are nations that still exist such as Egypt in Zechariah 14 when God dwells on earth forever, and because Jesus splits mount olive in two with a huge chasm in the middle at His return in Zechariah 14, which is to make room for the literal city New Jerusalem to land on earth in Old Jerusalem per Revelation chapter 21, where God will dwell forever, and because most scholarship is also of the opinion that the earth and heavens are cleansed by fire, then made new and restored to edenic condition - I continue to believe that this earth will remain.
And there’s no reason to disbelieve the account in Revelation that mentions the thousand years four times.
The early church, such as Barnabas, believed that God created everything in 6 days and rested on the 7th, as a prophetical foreshadow of there being six thousand years, or days, between Adam and the return of Jesus, and the millennial reign will be the 7th day, aka as Gods sabbath rest for His people, which is briefly referred to in Hebrews chapter 4.

Baruch HaShem Adonai.

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