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The flesh was not created weak. I get disobedience but my question is always what happened to Adam when he ate - he was not to eat from the particular tree. When he did - what happened to cause the creature to become; there is always cause and effect per say.

That is cool your hanging out, were you guys friends before or through the site?

Rom 8:20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
When Adam ate, The life force God's Spirit was seperated from man and we became dead in spirit. We fell from Grace.
This death is the seed that replaced the seed of life in us.
Know ye not, ye must be born again?


I only know you all through the site.
I have to take my time because I walk real slow.
So amadeus was kind enough to give me a song to walk along with..
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When Adam ate, The life force God's Spirit was seperated from man and we became dead in spirit. We fell from Grace.
This death is the seed that replaced the seed of life in us.
Know ye not, ye must be born again?


I only know you all through the site.
I have to take my time because I walk real slow.
So amadeus was kind enough to give me a song to walk along with..
:)


Oh nice - he lives just north of me about 60 miles :)
 
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...my question is always what happened to Adam when he ate - he was not to eat from the particular tree. When he did - what happened to cause the creature to become; there is always cause and effect per say.
Hi Soul Man. Have you seen my posts regarding this subject? I have given very in-depth, no nonsense, straight to the point answers. Speaking of answers...

There are two kinds of answers you will always receive on this and other Forums:
  1. Canned responses from those that do not know the answer to your question
  2. Truth
99.999% of the time you will get answer #1. Why? Because most of you really do not want to hear the Truth. Thus, more often than not, it is a complete waste of time for someone like me to even bother trying to post said Truth.

Christianity remains in ignorance because of this attitude. God himself can come down and show Truth to the average, so called "Christian", and their response will always be...

"Derpity derp... you're on Acid man... derpty derp".

That's Pride and Arrogance for you. :rolleyes:

Having said that, I will attempt once again to try and Illuminate the conceited masses here.
 
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Base12

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Here is where 99.999% of Christians give up trying to actually learn anything...

John 8:44
"Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it."


The phrase "Ye are of your Father the Devil" is literal and applies to every Human Being on the planet. It is not some intangible, so called 'Spiritual Mystical' concept. It is not an 'insult' or 'figure of speech'. It is very real and can be quantified down to the tiniest Particle.

TLDR...

Every Human Being on this planet shares the same Genetics as Satan... PERIOD.

So tell me Soul Man. Do you agree that John 8:44 is literal or not?

If the answer is NO, then I will waste no more time here.
 
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I am assuming this is meant towards me?
Yes
You sound so condenscending..
How about not looking down on people and rather getting on the bottom and lift them up..

just saying..
maybe you can't hear yourself, but I can hear you ..

some people slow of learning. Maybe they don't follow your posts.
Sometimes you have to repeat the same thing over and over and over..

But that shouldn't be a drain.. it should be seen as an opportunity to reach new people.

SMILE!

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Yes
You sound so condenscending..
How about not looking down on people and rather getting on the bottom and lift them up..
Do you realize that just about every one of you on this forum has treated me like garbage since day one?

Almost every interaction I have had with you so called "Christians" on this Forum has been one nasty insult after another and I have every right in the world to call you people out on it.

Look into the Mirror @Ziggy . You have just joined the list.

The irony is strong.

I remember my first interaction with you and how you said something very hurtful towards me and then compared me to your ex Husband. Do you remember? Probably not. Why would you care about your words hurting others?

I never name names, but now you have made it personal. I tell you what Ziggy...

Since I am such a pain and a bore to you, I will just go ahead and leave this Forum.

Sound good?

Now you will never have to deal with my nasty presence ever again and be reminded of your "Ex".

Base12 out.
 

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I was kinda hoping you would rather go camping with us this weekend in the fellowship forum at CB Camp.
I don't remember ever comparing someone to my ex-husband.. which one?

I know it sounded harsh but I meant it in a good way.
Your not a pain and you don't bore me.
I prefer you stay.

But I felt included in that 99.999% you mentioned..
so maybe we're even..

ANYWHOOOO...

We got fishing and horseback riding and songs and food..
Come on over and cool your feet in the lake..

Hugs
 

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Keep reading and searching the scriptures is my best answer. I have numerous articles and maybe one can speak to your question. By reading you will know my understanding as best possible anyway. If you're interested.
Besides all the gobbledy -=gook writing, you seem to simply say one needs to be born again.

All men are born spiritually dead due to Adam, and become spiritually alive when they place their trust in Christ. This gen. 3:15 seed is something I have no i9dea what you are promoting.
 

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Hi, Soul man.

The answer to your question is simple, ... but complicated. Gen. 3:15 is the very beginning of a theme that runs all the way throughout the entire Bible from Genesis to Revelation. You will hear many say that one seed is Jesus and the other is something else, but that just doesn't align with scripture at all.

All throughout scripture there is this echoing theme of two very different types of people. The first repeat of this is Gen. 25:23 referring to the twin birth of Jacob and Esau. (Look closely at the birth and characters of Cain and Abel)

(Gen. 25:23) "And the Lord said unto her, Two nations are in thy womb, and two manner of people shall be separated from thy bowels; ..."

Twins by birth, but very different. Look how strange Esau appeared when born. He was red and covered with hair, while Jacob looked unremarkably normal.

(Gen. 25:25) "And the first (Esau) came out red, all over like an hairy garment;..."

Why did God love Jacob, but Hate Esau?

(Malachi 1:2-3) "... Was not Esau Jacob's brother? saith the Lord: yet I have loved Jacob, And I hated Esau ..." (Romans 9:13)

It is clear from scripture that God's displeasure with him was due to something inherent (pre-birth) since Isaac, their father, adored Esau while Jacob was a bit of a trouble maker. God is a spirit (John 4:24) so there was something spiritually...unsound...about Esau.

There are other twin births like Pharez and Zerah (Gen. 38:27), and if you look closely at (Gen. 4:2) you will see that Eve gave birth to Abel immediately after Cain making them twins as well. Simply put, one seed is of the serpent and the other is of Adam and thus God.

Many violently reject this, but it says quite plainly right there in the verse, "I will put enmity (hostility) between your seed (the serpent's) and her seed (Eve's/Adam's/God's)(Gen. 3:15).

Just HOW that seed got into Eve is the main sticking point for most, but let's be honest. Does it really matter to the main idea of this concept? Not really. It's senseless to throw out an entire concept in scripture over one small point. If it's easier to accept, call it a spiritual event; somehow the seed of Adam and the seed of the serpent got inside Eve in a spiritual way. How 'bout that? Regardless, the theme is clearly strewn all throughout scripture.

The Wheat and the Tares
(Matthew 13:24-30, 37-43)
The Sheep and the Goats
(Matthew 25:32-46)
The Figs and the Olives
(James 3:12)
The Children of God and those of the devil
(1 John 3:10)
The Elect and the lost
(2 Timothy 1:9)

And you can also trace the concept of those who were created for destruction all through scripture.

(Romans 9:22) "What if God, willing to show His wrath, and to make His power known, endured with much long-suffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:"
(Proverbs 16:4) "The Lord has made ... the wicked for the day of trouble."
(Habakkuk 1:12)"O Lord, thou hast ordained them for judgment; ... thou hast established (created) them for correction."
(1 Peter 2:8) "... to them which stumble at the Word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed."
(2 Peter 2:12) "... these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption;"
(Jude 4) "... there are certain men ... who were before of old (since the beginning) ordained to this condemnation, ..."

So, there's a start for ya. As you say, study and research scripture as much as you possibly can. You will never regret a moment spent searching and seeking in God's Word - likely just the opposite.

God bless.
 
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How do they come to side with him. I'm saying - in my understanding of scripture it all happens by a birthing - first Adam as well as last Adam. Humanity is in one or the other.. we had no choice in our first birth, Adam made the choice. The last Adam we were chosen, and that comes about by a birthing - you must be born again to be in Christ'. Seeds come about by birth - look at natural birth or nature it self - earth nature - mother nature they call it. All by a birth, a seed - after it's kind.. The birthing in scripture is the key to understanding, that will open up the scriptures to a believer, thanks bud.

Do you know what it means to be born again sir? That is a very limited privilege
 

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So what I'm saying is what causes an individual created in the image and likeness of God to side with Satan as stated in quote? My understanding there is root to everything. You have anything on that per say?

The sad thing is Michael, that the default god is satan. Jehovah offers life or death to all, however He forces no one to serve Him. Jesus stated very clearly that the one doing God's will is the one that will inherit the Kingdom of God. Doing is an action word, and of course the will of God is to follow the Christian rules and regulations. In order to follow them however, one must know what they are There are a bunch of them for sure. If you had to start, what would you say the most important regulation given to Jesus' followers is?
 
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The sad thing is Michael, that the default god is satan. Jehovah offers life or death to all, however He forces no one to serve Him. Jesus stated very clearly that the one doing God's will is the one that will inherit the Kingdom of God. Doing is an action word, and of course the will of God is to follow the Christian rules and regulations. In order to follow them however, one must know what they are There are a bunch of them for sure. If you had to start, what would you say the most important regulation given to Jesus' followers is?

Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.” Then continuing, Jesus added, “Love your neighbors as yourself” [Matthew 22:24-37]
 

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Hi, Soul man.

The answer to your question is simple, ... but complicated. Gen. 3:15 is the very beginning of a theme that runs all the way throughout the entire Bible from Genesis to Revelation. You will hear many say that one seed is Jesus and the other is something else, but that just doesn't align with scripture at all.

All throughout scripture there is this echoing theme of two very different types of people. The first repeat of this is Gen. 25:23 referring to the twin birth of Jacob and Esau. (Look closely at the birth and characters of Cain and Abel)

(Gen. 25:23) "And the Lord said unto her, Two nations are in thy womb, and two manner of people shall be separated from thy bowels; ..."

Twins by birth, but very different. Look how strange Esau appeared when born. He was red and covered with hair, while Jacob looked unremarkably normal.

(Gen. 25:25) "And the first (Esau) came out red, all over like an hairy garment;..."

Why did God love Jacob, but Hate Esau?

(Malachi 1:2-3) "... Was not Esau Jacob's brother? saith the Lord: yet I have loved Jacob, And I hated Esau ..." (Romans 9:13)

It is clear from scripture that God's displeasure with him was due to something inherent (pre-birth) since Isaac, their father, adored Esau while Jacob was a bit of a trouble maker. God is a spirit (John 4:24) so there was something spiritually...unsound...about Esau.

There are other twin births like Pharez and Zerah (Gen. 38:27), and if you look closely at (Gen. 4:2) you will see that Eve gave birth to Abel immediately after Cain making them twins as well. Simply put, one seed is of the serpent and the other is of Adam and thus God.

Many violently reject this, but it says quite plainly right there in the verse, "I will put enmity (hostility) between your seed (the serpent's) and her seed (Eve's/Adam's/God's)(Gen. 3:15).

Just HOW that seed got into Eve is the main sticking point for most, but let's be honest. Does it really matter to the main idea of this concept? Not really. It's senseless to throw out an entire concept in scripture over one small point. If it's easier to accept, call it a spiritual event; somehow the seed of Adam and the seed of the serpent got inside Eve in a spiritual way. How 'bout that? Regardless, the theme is clearly strewn all throughout scripture.

The Wheat and the Tares
(Matthew 13:24-30, 37-43)
The Sheep and the Goats
(Matthew 25:32-46)
The Figs and the Olives
(James 3:12)
The Children of God and those of the devil
(1 John 3:10)
The Elect and the lost
(2 Timothy 1:9)

And you can also trace the concept of those who were created for destruction all through scripture.

(Romans 9:22) "What if God, willing to show His wrath, and to make His power known, endured with much long-suffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:"
(Proverbs 16:4) "The Lord has made ... the wicked for the day of trouble."
(Habakkuk 1:12)"O Lord, thou hast ordained them for judgment; ... thou hast established (created) them for correction."
(1 Peter 2:8) "... to them which stumble at the Word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed."
(2 Peter 2:12) "... these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption;"
(Jude 4) "... there are certain men ... who were before of old (since the beginning) ordained to this condemnation, ..."

So, there's a start for ya. As you say, study and research scripture as much as you possibly can. You will never regret a moment spent searching and seeking in God's Word - likely just the opposite.

God bless.

Thank you. Enjoyed your comment.
 
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. Jesus stated very clearly that the one doing God's will is the one that will inherit the Kingdom of God.

That sounds good - do you have a take on how we 'do God's will ? Very curious how you can put that together!
 

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Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.” Then continuing, Jesus added, “Love your neighbors as yourself” [Matthew 22:24-37]

The greatest commandments sir. Sums up the entire Law, wouldn't it be a very different world if people would literally practice that? May I ask, how do show your love for God?
 

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The greatest commandments sir. Sums up the entire Law, wouldn't it be a very different world if people would literally practice that? May I ask, how do show your love for God?

By following His commandments and setting a example for others and showing compasion and love to everyone I meet
 
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That sounds good - do you have a take on how we 'do God's will ? Very curious how you can put that together!
Yes sir, there is much involved, but the assignment is given at Mat 28:19,20. That is the primary way we do Jehovah's will.