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What religion and certainly the world cannot understand about God - in the scriptures, how in 'the world' can God have children. The world claims (some in the world) that we are all the children of God. Confusing all humanity in creation was created by God. It is easy I suppose to confuse the two because there is some very smart people that look at scripture and see that God has children now and assume we are all children. Now actually believing those scriptures and pin pointing the written word that says "you must be born again" is another situation. So we can take written scripture and read what it means to believe the word of God, and if I do believe I become a child of God by a completed finished work on the cross that killed who I was and birthed in me a new person - constituting an act of God to birth a child just like any other child that is born.

When Jesus got his Mary body - when he was coming into the world via the virgin birth and would walk among men as no other had ever walked because his father was God. What does scripture say;

35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God. - Luke 1:35.

The first birth by God to grip mankind and it is a pattern for the children of God today in being born again - a birth takes place. It may be different in alot of ways but a birthing will take place if you are a child of God. You are not a child just because you believed - you are are a child because when you believed a birth took place - scripture says to all humanity "you must be born again."

When you believe - a miracle happens to an individual - they get the complete Christ' in them the moment they believe. You don't get a little bit and as your mind gets right you get more - I have heard the theology from some that it is Christ' growing in you - no sir - you will do the growing in mind. When Christ' is birthed in the believer they receive him - the full and complete Christ' in you the hope of glory!

Footnote: Paul has become our pattern as well in following him into the "yeah deep things of God,." He gives us the answer to salvation - he tells a believer what has saved them and how it all came about (by a birthing). So Paul has to be followed in the epistles he wrote to us - the birthed again. Paul gives sound instruction to 'follow me as I follow the Lord Jesus Christ.' Why would that be so important to a believer? If they want to know how they have come to be who they are, they will have to follow Paul as written in scripture. The believer must see that 'before Paul there is NO in Christ' message. It couldn't be known it was not written down. Were people in Christ', yes absolutely that started on the day of Pentecost. But according to what is written what Paul had to say had been hid in God from the foundation of the world' - and that fact was! God Himself would birth children of his own by placing another person in the creature, constituting a birth and a child of God.

16 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began, - Romans 16:25.
 
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What religion and certainly the world cannot understand about God - in the scriptures, how in 'the world' can God have children. The world claims (some in the world) that we are all the children of God. Confusing all humanity in creation was created by God. It is easy I suppose to confuse the two because there is some very smart people that look at scripture and see that God has children now and assume we are all children. Now actually believing those scriptures and pin pointing the written word that says "you must be born again" is another situation. So we can take written scripture and read what it means to believe the word of God, and if I do believe I become a child of God by a completed finished work on the cross that killed who I was and birthed in me a new person - constituting an act of God to birth a child just like any other child that is born.

When Jesus got his Mary body - when he was coming into the world via the virgin birth and would walk among men as no other had ever walked because his father was God. What does scripture say;

35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God. - Luke 1:35.

The first birth by God to grip mankind and it is a pattern for the children of God today in being born again - a birth takes place. It may be different in alot of ways but a birthing will take place if you are a child of God. You are not a child just because you believed - you are are a child because when you believed a birth took place - scripture says to all humanity "you must be born again."

When you believe - a miracle happens to an individual - they get the complete Christ' in them the moment they believe. You don't get a little bit and as your mind gets right you get more - I have heard the theology from some that it is Christ' growing in you - no sir - you will do the growing in mind. When Christ' is birthed in the believer they receive him - the full and complete Christ' in you the hope of glory!

Footnote: Paul has become our pattern as well in following him into the "yeah deep things of God,." He gives us the answer to salvation - he tells a believer what has saved them and how it all came about (by a birthing). So Paul has to be followed in the epistles he wrote to us - the birthed again. Paul gives sound instruction to 'follow me as I follow the Lord Jesus Christ.' Why would that be so important to a believer? If they want to know how they have come to be who they are, they will have to follow Paul as written in scripture. The believer must see that 'before Paul there is NO in Christ' message. It couldn't be known it was not written down. Were people in Christ', yes absolutely that started on the day of Pentecost. But according to what is written what Paul had to say had been hid in God from the foundation of the world' - and that fact was! God Himself would birth children of his own by placing another person in the creature, constituting a birth and a child of God.

16 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began, - Romans 16:25.

Interesting, I like it.
Several topics of discussion, even debate.

1. Is Yeshua the true Son of God? In other words did Yahweh and Miriam have sex? And she conceived from His seed...real Son.
I say yes...real Son.
2. Born again...During Baptism...when a person comes out of the water it is like a new birth?...In that from Yahweh's perspective a new person...no sin...no history...a new slate...a new beginning?
3. The adoption into the family of God. When does it happen?
A. Upon belief in Christ?
B. Repentance?
C. Baptism?
D. Communion?

Unbelief comes with a warning.
Communion comes with two warnings...one if you do not participate in the bread and wine ritual and two, if you participate and you are not right with God.
It is my opinion that adoption occurs at Communion...a form of a covenant...Yeshua was a High Priest of the Order of Melchizedek.
The bread and wine ritual is like that covenant between Abraham and Melchizedek, except we are adopted into the family of God. The is why Yeshua made it so clear that this had to happen and the consequences if one did not. Important enough that Christ was willing to risk His whole ministry, because His disciples no longer walked with Him and His own Apostles were disturbed by this requirement. And then later on at the "Last Supper" this ritual was performed.

Then shortly after most of His Apostles abandoned Him...Did they run because they were cowards? Or was it the bread and wine ritual that offended them? Eating someone's body and drink their blood was sacrilegious to the Jews. Was fear their only motivation to run? Did they not grasp the importance of the bread and wine ritual?

This is a turning point in Christianity.
 

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1. Is Yeshua the true Son of God? In other words did Yahweh and Miriam have sex? And she conceived from His seed...real Son.
I say yes...real Son.

You pretty much loose me there - not even the point. A birthing has taken place. Scripture says God is Spirit - where in the world do come up with a flesh act. Has nothing to do with being born again and is a massive misuse of sound scripture - I suggest you rethink your philosophy
 
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You pretty much loose me there - not even the point. A birthing has taken place. Scripture says God is Spirit - where in the world do come up with a flesh act. Has nothing to do with being born again and is a massive misuse of sound scripture - I suggest you rethink your philosophy

LOL Like I said, topic of discussion and debate.
Our salvation is not just physical...there is a spiritual side of it.
 

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What religion and certainly the world cannot understand about God - in the scriptures, how in 'the world' can God have children. The world claims (some in the world) that we are all the children of God. Confusing all humanity in creation was created by God. It is easy I suppose to confuse the two because there is some very smart people that look at scripture and see that God has children now and assume we are all children. Now actually believing those scriptures and pin pointing the written word that says "you must be born again" is another situation. So we can take written scripture and read what it means to believe the word of God, and if I do believe I become a child of God by a completed finished work on the cross that killed who I was and birthed in me a new person - constituting an act of God to birth a child just like any other child that is born.

When Jesus got his Mary body - when he was coming into the world via the virgin birth and would walk among men as no other had ever walked because his father was God. What does scripture say;

35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God. - Luke 1:35.

The first birth by God to grip mankind and it is a pattern for the children of God today in being born again - a birth takes place. It may be different in alot of ways but a birthing will take place if you are a child of God. You are not a child just because you believed - you are are a child because when you believed a birth took place - scripture says to all humanity "you must be born again."

When you believe - a miracle happens to an individual - they get the complete Christ' in them the moment they believe. You don't get a little bit and as your mind gets right you get more - I have heard the theology from some that it is Christ' growing in you - no sir - you will do the growing in mind. When Christ' is birthed in the believer they receive him - the full and complete Christ' in you the hope of glory!

Footnote: Paul has become our pattern as well in following him into the "yeah deep things of God,." He gives us the answer to salvation - he tells a believer what has saved them and how it all came about (by a birthing). So Paul has to be followed in the epistles he wrote to us - the birthed again. Paul gives sound instruction to 'follow me as I follow the Lord Jesus Christ.' Why would that be so important to a believer? If they want to know how they have come to be who they are, they will have to follow Paul as written in scripture. The believer must see that 'before Paul there is NO in Christ' message. It couldn't be known it was not written down. Were people in Christ', yes absolutely that started on the day of Pentecost. But according to what is written what Paul had to say had been hid in God from the foundation of the world' - and that fact was! God Himself would birth children of his own by placing another person in the creature, constituting a birth and a child of God.

16 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began, - Romans 16:25.

when you are born again do you put on Christ?
 
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You pretty much loose me there - not even the point. A birthing has taken place. Scripture says God is Spirit - where in the world do come up with a flesh act. Has nothing to do with being born again and is a massive misuse of sound scripture - I suggest you rethink your philosophy
You pretty much loose me there - not even the point. A birthing has taken place. Scripture says God is Spirit - where in the world do come up with a flesh act. Has nothing to do with being born again and is a massive misuse of sound scripture - I suggest you rethink your philosophy

Mary conceived of the HS but not sex
She was a Virgin before a Virgin after a Virgin giving birth and a perpetual Virgin
Isa 7:14

Lk 1:37
 
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LOL Like I said, topic of discussion and debate.
Our salvation is not just physical...there is a spiritual side of it.
LOL Like I said, topic of discussion and debate.
Our salvation is not just physical...there is a spiritual side of it.

Jesus Christ is our salvation! Lk 2:30
Not something but somebody
 
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You pretty much loose me there - not even the point. A birthing has taken place. Scripture says God is Spirit - where in the world do come up with a flesh act. Has nothing to do with being born again and is a massive misuse of sound scripture - I suggest you rethink your philosophy

Sorry that my post lead your thread a different direction. Lets go down your path.
The title of the thread is "The birthing is the key" and I agree.
You said...in the scriptures, how in 'the world' can God have children. The world claims (some in the world) that we are all the children of God. On this I disagree on several levels.
1. It was Yahweh that defined Himself as Father...and Christ backs this up...Yeshua said, And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven. These Devine designations are made by God the Father and God the Son so that we can understand from our perspective.
2. You said, how in 'the world' can God have children...Yahweh did have a Son...His name is Yeshua.
3. The doctrine of Adoption...Adoption is the gracious act of God wherein He makes justified sinners His beloved children. Ephesians 1:5 He predestined us to adoption as sons through Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the kind intention of His will...
4 You said, a miracle happens to an individual - they get the complete Christ' in them the moment they believe. You will find that the phrase, "the complete Christ" does not occur in the scriptures.
5. You said, I have heard the theology from some that it is Christ' growing in you - no sir - you will do the growing in mind. When Christ' is birthed in the believer they receive him - the full and complete Christ' in you the hope of glory! Philippians 2:12 Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling; Luke 6:46 But why do you call Me ‘Lord, Lord,’ and not do the things which I say? Belief, repentance, baptism, and communion... So why do people feel they need to hack away at the process of salvation that Christ and the Apostles laid out.
6. You said, God Himself would birth children of his own by placing another person in the creature, constituting a birth and a child of God..."place another person in the creature" Not belief is not represented in the scriptures by phrase or meaning. We are born again through Baptism. John 3:5 Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit he cannot enter into the kingdom of God....everyone is born of water but not everyone is saved. The scripture does not say you have to be born of your mother and of the spirit...The scripture is referring to the physical and spiritual aspects of Baptism. Galatians 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

It is a dangerous past time to try to make the Bible say what you believe. You should go to the scriptures to learn what they say not to superimpose your beliefs on them.
 

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When you believe - a miracle happens to an individual - they get the complete Christ' in them the moment they believe. You don't get a little bit and as your mind gets right you get more - I have heard the theology from some that it is Christ' growing in you - no sir - you will do the growing in mind. When Christ' is birthed in the believer they receive him - the full and complete Christ' in you the hope of glory!
"As He is, so are we in this world." The Bible doesn't explain that statement.

Jesus was begotten of God in a human body, the Eternal Son of God incarnated in human flesh. We in our rebirth are begotten of God, incarnated in human flesh. In our case, that human flesh happens to be the person we were before being born from God.

I think that understanding what this all means helps us live holy lives.

Much love!
 

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haha...you think! :)

they ( threads) so often go off on tangents ...just part of forum life. Haha!
Nice OP.

Good to see you bro.

Miss Helen is that you I was wondering about you how are you?
 
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You guys start a thread and talk amongst yourself I'm done wow unbelievable I don't even read responses I'm completely blown out of the water it's worse than reading an enquire made up magazine, totally foreign to anything that is written.
 
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"As He is, so are we in this world." The Bible doesn't explain that statement.

Jesus was begotten of God in a human body, the Eternal Son of God incarnated in human flesh. We in our rebirth are begotten of God, incarnated in human flesh. In our case, that human flesh happens to be the person we were before being born from God.

I think that understanding what this all means helps us live holy lives.

Much love!
Sure it does . It simply means what JOHN says earlier . IF we say HE abides in us , THEN WE WALK LIKE HE DID .
I know . i know . you wont hear that in most churches . BUT TRUE IT IS . FOR whose SPIRIT do we have , IF WE ARE HIS .
THE HOLY ONE and that would be our helper through whatever temptation , trial does come our way .
SO lets follow in HIS STEPS . let us not be as the churches today . Let us be as the early apostels taught us to be .
VERY SERIOUS against sin . Always pointing to JESUS and the promises in HIM
ALWAYS behold BOTH the goodness and severity of GOD . Cant leave one off . GOTTA DO BOTH .
 

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You guys start a thread and talk amongst yourself I'm done wow unbelievable I don't even read responses I'm completely blown out of the water it's worse than reading an enquire made up magazine.
Soul man , i dont care what the pope or anyone else says about you my friend . I loves ya . YOU JUST LET THE LORD BE PRAISED MY FRIEND .
 
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Soul man , i dont care what the pope or anyone else says about you my friend . I loves ya . YOU JUST LET THE LORD BE PRAISED MY FRIEND .

Explain please

Romans 13:11
And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.
 

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You pretty much loose me there - not even the point. A birthing has taken place. Scripture says God is Spirit - where in the world do come up with a flesh act. Has nothing to do with being born again and is a massive misuse of sound scripture - I suggest you rethink your philosophy
Some people aren't trying to follow the argument, only find a way of inserting their special little things, like showing everyone how they speak of 'Yeshua', rather than just calling Him Jesus like normal Christians do.

Keep going down the rabbit hole with them, and finally they will show special little doctrines as well, which are as far away from the main point of the argument as possible.
 

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Soul man , i dont care what the pope or anyone else says about you my friend . I loves ya . YOU JUST LET THE LORD BE PRAISED MY FRIEND .
Some people aren't trying to follow the argument, only find a way of inserting their special little things, like showing everyone how they speak of 'Yeshua', rather than just calling Him Jesus like normal Christians do.

Keep going down the rabbit hole with them, and finally they will show special little doctrines as well, which are as far away from the main point of the argument as possible.

Don’t forget baptism the new birth