The millennial kingdom is in the book of revelation. Where exactly do you imagine the saints will be when the host of heaven is cast to the ground and the heavens are rolled up like a scroll?
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After the Rapture: The End of the World
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Truth7t7
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Big Smiles!
Teach the truth against mans fabricated fairy tale in a future Millennium on this earth, and it's now a racist doctrine
Bigger Smiles!
I'm not offering you a cookie and the Lord will surely rebuke you for baiting. It should never be so in the House of God. You should never provoke anyone to sin, much less a child of God. I've reported your activity to the staff and if they do nothing, God most certainly will. You are not welcome in my congregation until you repent and learn how to behave righteously.
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Your claims of provoking and baiting are "False" as you desire to silence my conservative voice and the truth presented by myself
If anyone is provoking it's you, making false claims of racist doctrine, and taking away from the bible, and your provoking "Warning"
There is no Millennial Kingdom on earth seen in Revelation 20:1-6, its a fabricated man made fairy tale (Fact) as my post #17 clearly explains
michaelvpardo quote post #22
"Paul also wrote about this in the book of Romans. Stop being so slothful. Stop clinging to racist doctrine. Stop taking away from the book of the Revelation. This is your last warning from me."
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There has been 1991 years between the firstfruits and the Second Coming. There will be 1000 years between the Second Coming and the end.
You seem OK to gap the first part, but the Second Coming is not the end, any more than Christ the firstfruits was the Second Coming.
There has been a gap, and there will be another gap. Preterist put all 3 into the first century. Amillennialism tries to put the Second Coming and the end into the same moment. All three did not come to pass in the first century. All three will not end at the Second Coming. They are 3 different events for 3 gatherings.
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A 1991 year gap between the Cross and Second Coming is not found in the OT either, accordingto your metric. But there was the fulness of the Gentiles, just like there will be the fulness of sinless humanity in the last 1000 years of current reality.
Daniel declared that times, time and half a time would exist between him and the end. 2 times has been the 1991 years since the Cross. The half of times was the 500 years between Daniel and the Cross. That is only 2500 years. We still have the time, a period of 1000 years between the Second Coming and the GWT. 3500 years, but this has been misinterpreted to be 3.5 years. So the end happened 3.5 years after Daniel died? Even Preterist are 500 years behind the curve.
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Zechariah chapter 14 describes the day of the Lord, the return of the Lord with His saints, the restoration of Israel, and the commandment to keep the feast of tabernacles each year, the only feast specifically mentioned in regard to the millennium. The passage doesn't explain why, just the consequences of not observing the feast.
Notice in the passage that the order to observe the feast is given to the remnant of the nations (gentiles).
Notice in the passage that the order to observe the feast is given to the remnant of the nations (gentiles).
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Zechariah 14:1-12 below shows the Lords return to earth in fire in final judgement.
(Verse 1) shows "The Day Of The Lord" also seen in 2 Peter 3:10-13 "Fire Judgement" below
(Verse 2) Shows that all nations are gathered for the final battle of armageddon.
(Verses 3-5) shows the Lords return, and his eternal feet touch down on the earthly Mt, of Olives, and in the "Twinkling Of An Eye" 1 Cor 15:52 takes place, in the catching up, resurrection, final judgement by fire, and the New Heavens, Earth, and Jerusalem being revealed for eternity, judgement complete, eternity begins.
(Verses 6-7) Eternal light seen, in the eternal kingdom, Rev 22:1-5
(Verse 8) The river of life is seen, Rev 22:1-5
(Verse 10) The New creation is being revealed, the plain is lifted up.
(Verse 12) "The Day Of The Lord" showing the "Last Day" judgement by the Lords fire, as men are consumed as they stand on their feet, 2 Peter 3:10-13
2 Peter 3:10KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
Revelation 22:1KJV
And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.
"The Eternal Kingdom"!
Zechariah 14:1-12KJV
14 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
3 Then shall the Lord go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the Lord my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.
6 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark:
7 but it shall be one day which shall be known to the Lord, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light.
8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.
9 And the Lordshall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one Lord, and his name one.
10 All the land shall be turned as a plain from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem: and it shall be lifted up, and inhabited in her place, from Benjamin’s gate unto the place of the first gate, unto the corner gate, and from the tower of Hananeel unto the king’s winepresses.
11 And men shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more utter destruction; but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.
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Zechariah 14:16,Who Will Be Left Of The Nations?
You will closely note, Zechariah 14:16 & Isaiah 4:3-4 are "Parallel" readings of the same event, as Isaiah gives a clear account of those who are left, those who are found in the book of life, the final judgement has passed, eternity has begun "After" The Day Of The Lord
You will closely note in Isaiah 4:4 below, Jerusalem will be purged by the spirit of (Judgement) & (Burning)
Zechariah 14:12KJV
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.
Only The Righteous Are Left, The Book Of Life "Was" Opened (Every One That Is Written Among The Living)
Zechariah 14:16KJV
16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.
Isaiah 4:3-4KJV
3 And it shall come to pass, that he that is left in Zion, and he that remaineth in Jerusalem, shall be called holy, even every one that is written among the living in Jerusalem:
4 When the Lord shall have washed away the filth of the daughters of Zion, and shall have purged the blood of Jerusalem from the midst thereof by the spirit of judgment, and by the spirit of burning.
Revelation 21:24-27KJV
24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.
25 And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there.
26 And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it.
27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.
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This title is false and misleading. After the Rapture there are a whole series of events over a long period of time before the end of the world as we know it. Only then are the New Heavens and the New Earth established.
This is not the only misleading thread about end time events. There are quite a few on this forum. So a word of advice to all readers. Do your own diligent and complete study of Bible prophecies, since you will run into a lot of weird and bizarre nonsense.
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A classic demonstration of misreading and applying scriptures to a preconceived belief. [Assuming that you have actually read them]
Please carefully read these verses and change your mind about a future Millennium reign of Jesus and cease posting false theories.
Psalms 46:8-11, Psalms 47:1-9, Psalms 48:1-14, Psalms 93:1-5, Psalms 102:21-22, Isaiah 4:5-6, Isaiah 33:20-24, Micah 4:1-5, and there is much more!
Re Isaiah 65:17-18, it is plain there is gap between the New heavens and earth promised in verse 17 and 18; which starts with -
But; [for now] be glad in My creating in [the present] Jerusalem a rejoicing of My people....as they live there in peace and prosperity. Ezekiel 34:11-16, Zechariah 8:1-23
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And the weirdest and most bizarre, is the idea that God will take His Christian people to heaven before any time of testing or Judgment.
It is the terrible Lord's Day of His fiery wrath that we can expect next. 1 Peter 4:12, Revelation 6:12-17, Isaiah 66:15-17, +
Then at least 10 years before Jesus Returns. Then the 1000 year reign of King Jesus, Then the Judgment of everyone who has ever lived. Then Eternity for those whose names are found in the Book of Life and annihilation for those not.
Simple, logical and what we have been told of the Lord's Plans.
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Bizarre Nonsense would be in your claims
There will be no Pre-Trib rapture, when Jesuus Christ returns its (The End)
As scripture clearly teaches below in 1 Corinthinas 15:23-24 , when Jesus Christ returns then comes (The End)
Many disregard (Then Cometh The End) as they desire to see a mortal Millennial Kingdom on earth, after the coming of Jesus Christ
afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. Then cometh the end
(Then Cometh The End)
(Death Is Swallowed Up In Victory)
1 Corinthians 15:21-26 & 51-54KJV
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
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Not one verse you have provided represents a Millennial Kingdom on earth, not a one
Because they dont exist
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The "False Doctrine" of annihilation, found in the Cults of "Jehovahs Witnesses" and "7th Day Adventist", "Denying Eternal Conscious Torment In The Lake Of Fire for the wicked" in denial of a foundational orthodox Christian doctrine
Annihilation: Souls just cease to exist, without conscious eternal torment
Revelation 14:9-11KJV
9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
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You continue to post about Eschatology when you have ABSOLUTELY NO CLUE. Your posts included that bizarre nonsense I mentioned. Trying to constantly mislead others. And then to add insult to injury, you are bolding everything.
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Its apparent you are full of opinion and void of biblical, scriptural argument, better known as the peanut gallery
When Jesus Christ Returns, Then Cometh The End
As scripture clearly teaches below in 1 Corinthinas 15:23-24 , when Jesus Christ returns then comes (The End)
Many disregard (Then Cometh The End) as they desire to see a mortal Millennial Kingdom on earth, after the coming of Jesus Christ
afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. Then cometh the end
(Then Cometh The End)
(Death Is Swallowed Up In Victory)
1 Corinthians 15:21-26 & 51-54KJV
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
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We are told when Death is no more: Revelation 21:4...there shall be an end to Death.....
AFTER the Millennium as described in Rev 20.
Truth 7t7, no one here agrees with you, although you do reject the 'rapture to heaven' and correctly say the Christians are the Israel of God. But saying there is no Millennium reign of Jesus, is your serious error, when Revelation 20 plainly prophesies it.
Most of the rest of prophecy can be understood to happen just as Written.
Are we in the time when Jesus reigns over the world now?
Do the scriptures I presented in #37 apply now?
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