No Pre-Trib Rapture, The Church Will Be Present On Earth To See The Tribulation And Second Coming

Truth7t7 · Jun 13, 2021

Timtofly said:
The church is redeemed by the Cross and glorified. Those elected during the GT are to populate the earth.

Those elected to salvation during the tribulation will have glorified bodies in the New Heaven And Earth.

There Will Be No 1,000 Year Millennial Kingdom Upon This Earth, Jesus Christ Returns In Fire And Final Judgement, Dissolving This Existing Earth By Fire, Immediately After The Tribulation

This Existing Heaven And Earth Will Be (Replaced) By The New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, A New Creation, At The Return Of Jesus Christ

(Behold, I Make All Things New)

2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Revelation 21:1-5KJV
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

1 Corinthians 3:13KJV
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Malachi 3:2KJV
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

Psalm 46:6KJV
6 The heathen raged, the kingdoms were moved: he uttered his voice, the earth melted.

Psalm 50:3KJV
3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.

Psalm 97:5KJV
5 The hills melted like wax at the presence of the Lord, at the presence of the Lord of the whole earth.

Isaiah 66:15KJV
15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.

Zechariah 14:12KJV
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Nahum 1:5-6KJV
5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.
6 Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him.

Revelation 20:9KJV
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

Truth7t7 · Jun 13, 2021

Timtofly said:
In the OD Jesus is bringing the angels with the trumpets.

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Jesus first, angels and Trumpet soundings second.

The Church Is Caught Up And Resurrected Immediately After The Tribulation, At The Second Coming

Timtofly · Jun 13, 2021

Randy Kluth said:
Actually, that is often Jewish propaganda. I argued the point over the course of 10 years. Jews want you to believe that being Jewish is a religion, and as such, Jews *cannot* become Christians! Well, being Jewish is not just a religion--it is also an ethnicity. And any ethnicity can become a Christian! And if Jews can convert from Judaism to Christianity, then ethnic Jews can indeed become Christians, and the Jewish People can be part of the international Church.

Now, you're totally losing me!!

You do realize that "The Adams' Family" is an old TV series, don't you? So you're saying that because the Church started with Adam, in the OT era, that there is nothing to make the whole collective Body a "Christian" body?

I believe the 144,000 is a symbolic representation of Christian believers in Israel in the last days. As such, they will be part of the Church that is glorified at Jesus' Coming at the end of the age. It is at that time that Israel will be both judged and converted.

Those who remain in Israel will reconstitute into a Christian nation, and live as mortals in the Millennial Age. The Christians of this age, including the "144,000" will be glorified and reign with Christ for 1000 years--probably from a different dimension than the mortals on earth.

The church is neither Jew nor Greek, ethnic. The church is not a religion. Religion attempts to explain God. The church knows God, no explanation necessary.

Why would a part of Christ join with a harlot or religion that sets up human ideals?

Paradise was planted for Adam and his family.

The question is why did the other sons of God give up their inheritances on earth.

Sorry but the 144k are more elect than the original disciples and the sheep. They are not representative, they are the sole sealed group of disciples. The Millennium is going to go big. Think of 7 billion people after 1991 years and only 12 disciples. Jesus is starting out with 144k and there will be 100's of billions in only 1000 years. There will be people that God chooses during the GT from every nation. The 144k are just the leaders of an even larger crowd. Compare the 12 to the 70. 6 times 12 is 72. 6 times 144k is 864k we are talking harvest numbers of those who will shed Adam's biological corruptible flesh.

Perhaps up to 1 or 2 billion to start the Millennium. No where are we told the amount of the sheep and the wheat, which is symbolic of Israel and the rest of the Nations elected by God to populate the earth in the Millennium. Not to mention those who may actually be beheaded during the last 42 months if the church fails to bring in a harvest.

Curtis · Jun 13, 2021

David H. said:
Look carefully at the word "Midst of", it is saying for half the week... In Other words the abomination lasts half of the week, Not placing it in the midst of the week.
Here is the translation from the ESV as that shows this better for you to see:
And he shall make a strong covenant with many for one week,[fn] and for half of the week he shall put an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of abominations shall come one who makes desolate, until the decreed end is poured out on the desolator.” ( Daniel 9:27,ESV)

I Have looked at the original text here, and both the KJV and the ESV are grammatically correct. The ESV makes more sense from the
context In that the whole passage is speaking of a time of abominations. What your view and the Pre trib view in general does is say that Jesus comes multiple times, when understood properly he only comes once. He does not come once to rapture the church, once to destroy the beast, and thrice riding on white horse with His army of saints to rule in the millennium, he does all these things simultaneously at the second coming, The dead in Christ are raised, (Including the two witnesses) we who are alive are transformed, the man of sin is destroyed with the brightness of His coming, and he comes riding on his white horse with the army of saints to execute judgment on the wicked. The only reason why this takes so much time is that the armies will take time to gather at Armageddon, a Logistical nightmare with the armies the size described, especailly after the cataclysmic events preceding this event having likely destroyed large parts of the infrastructure of the world..... (Perhaps that is why they are riding horses?)

That being said, what I do agree with the Pretrib camp on is that there is a difference between the day of Christ and the Day of the LORD. Judgment begins at the house of God (1 Peter 4:17) And this is the wheat and tares judgment, and the result being the wrath of the Lamb. The Day of the LORD is a Judgment of the Wicked of the world By that time the church has been judged, and they are part of the army of saints executing this judgment..... "Know ye not that ye will judge the world, and angels?" (1 Corinthians 6:2-3)

Once you start to see this, the timeline just makes so much sense. I Have done elaborate posts trying to explain this, but there are so many built in assumptions in eschatological camps with each assumption bolstering specific viewpoint, such as the "midst of the week" assumption. Very few people are searching for the Truth without bias and an agenda in the various eschatological camps, It takes a desire to start from a point of not knowing (Socratic ignorance), and allowing unbiased reading of the text to determine the direction, something very few scholars are capable of.

suffice it to say, the book of Revelation is a supreme work of Art written by the Great Artist, and just when you think you have figured it out another layer of depth surfaces, if this is not your experience with this book, then your reading it wrong.

It makes no difference how long the AoD lasts, it starts mid trib, and Paul made clear that the coming of Christ will be after the AoD enters the temple and declares himself God.

In Luke 21 Jesus describes the great tribulation, then says to pray we be found worthy of escaping all those things, in verse 36.”

The evidence is clear, IMO, that it’s a mid-trib, pre mark rapture.

Timtofly · Jun 13, 2021

Randy Kluth said:
All of a sudden, the Church is raptured by the millions, the world pays little attention, and suddenly the whole world has changed

The world is going to change. Baptism of fire is not the same as by Flood. With all the symbolism given, water will be scarce when all is said and done. The world is not changed because the church is leaving. The world is changed because God on the throne will be physically present and not a single human will have the excuse of not knowing God.

Truth7t7 · Jun 13, 2021

Curtis said:
It makes no difference how long the AoD lasts, it starts mid trib, and Paul made clear that the coming of Christ will be after the AoD enters the temple and declares himself God.

In Luke 21 Jesus describes the great tribulation, then says to pray we be found worthy of escaping all those things, in verse 36.”

The evidence is clear, IMO, that it’s a mid-trib, pre mark rapture.

It's a post tribulation no mark rapture, second coming, catching up & resurrection

Truth7t7 · Jun 13, 2021

Timtofly said:
The world is going to change. Baptism of fire is not the same as by Flood. With all the symbolism given, water will be scarce when all is said and done. The world is not changed because the church is leaving. The world is changed because God on the throne will be physically present and not a single human will have the excuse of not knowing God.

Your living in a fairy tale dream, the heavens and earth will be "Dissolved" by fire at the Lords return, will you continue to bury your head in the sand and pretend as if the scripture below dosent exists?

There Will Be No 1,000 Year Millennial Kingdom Upon This Earth, Jesus Christ Returns In Fire And Final Judgement, Dissolving This Existing Earth By Fire, Immediately After The Tribulation

This Existing Heaven And Earth Will Be (Replaced) By The New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, A New Creation, At The Return Of Jesus Christ

(Behold, I Make All Things New)

2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Revelation 21:1-5KJV
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

1 Corinthians 3:13KJV
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Malachi 3:2KJV
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

Psalm 46:6KJV
6 The heathen raged, the kingdoms were moved: he uttered his voice, the earth melted.

Psalm 50:3KJV
3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.

Psalm 97:5KJV
5 The hills melted like wax at the presence of the Lord, at the presence of the Lord of the whole earth.

Isaiah 66:15KJV
15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.

Zechariah 14:12KJV
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Nahum 1:5-6KJV
5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.
6 Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him.

Revelation 20:9KJV
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

Timtofly · Jun 13, 2021

Randy Kluth said:
I'm not sure where you're getting all of your ideas. Some of them appear to be "made up," because most of this I never hear. I do agree with some of it, though. I don't think the glorified Church will physically be on earth for any length of time during the 1000 years. But I could be wrong--not much is said about it.

I do think the Millennium will contain mortals with a sin nature. It will, I think, just be a continuation of life on earth just as it is now, though without Satan's power coercing international struggles. Much of this is pure speculation--I just can't say for sure. I am definitely Postrib, though.

Read the kingdom parables by Jesus in the Gospels, then place them in the GT, while Christ is on earth for the second time.

Many have taught they are for the church. They are for His earthly physical ministry.

The Millennium is the ultimate result of the end of Daniel's 70 weeks. Read Revelation 10:6-7. The end of the 7th Trumpet is the end of the last hour of the last day of the last week of the 70th week of years. The 7th Trumpet cannot stop until the hour-long battle of Armageddon, where the last 10 governments rule as one for one hour. That is their rule, being destroyed by Jesus Christ. Yes during the 6th vial the 3 spirits do go out, but during the whole 42 months, the nations have been rounding up and beheading those who refuse to recieve the mark. They have been moving closer to Jerusalem to avoid dealing with God on the throne, sitting in open judgment since the 6th Seal.

This is just the leftovers. There should not even be a 42 month period. Either the winepress in Revelation 14, or the battle of Armageddon will totally remove Adam's flesh and blood. No mortals left as most put it.

I use corruptible flesh, because Paul taught that. Glorified is putting on immortality, not becoming immortal. We are sons of God, we do not become God. Our spirit is a robe of light. We put on our spirit from God. We do not put on God. We are dead to our spirit in dead corruptible flesh. We have the Holy Spirit as credit, until the day we are glorified and become sons in the full image of God. The Holy Spirit dwells in us. Our spirit wraps around an incorruptible body.

Those on earth will have sin free incorruptible bodies. But not glorified. They will have biological sin free incorruptible offspring. The first Generation cannot die nor disobey. Their offspring will have freedom to rebel, but that does not make them mortal nor sinners. Deliberately breaking the rule of the iron rod will be instant Death. It will not be common nor taught to actively disobey, like all the loopholes in human government. But the sons of God will not intermingle with those on earth like what happened before the Flood. Nor will Satan be an issue to deal with.

This is a Lord's Day set apart and holy unto God. Israel was to Remember the first Lord's Day. Genesis 2 explains the Day of the Lord, Adonai God. The first Lord's Day. It was the first 1000 years set apart and Holy, before Satan was allowed to rebel, and before the Garden of Eden was even planted, and an unnamed son of God placed in this Paradise.

Why humans forgot the first Lord's Day may be the same reason they deny the last Lord's Day.

Curtis · Jun 13, 2021

Truth7t7 said:
It's a post tribulation no mark rapture, second coming, catching up & resurrection

Then you can tell Jesus He was wrong to say that worthy Christians will escape all those things from the great tribulation that He had just described in Luke 21:36.

Timtofly · Jun 13, 2021

Truth7t7 said:
Those elected to salvation during the tribulation will have glorified bodies in the New Heaven And Earth.

There Will Be No 1,000 Year Millennial Kingdom Upon This Earth, Jesus Christ Returns In Fire And Final Judgement, Dissolving This Existing Earth By Fire, Immediately After The Tribulation

This Existing Heaven And Earth Will Be (Replaced) By The New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, A New Creation, At The Return Of Jesus Christ

(Behold, I Make All Things New)

2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Revelation 21:1-5KJV
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

1 Corinthians 3:13KJV
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Malachi 3:2KJV
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

Psalm 46:6KJV
6 The heathen raged, the kingdoms were moved: he uttered his voice, the earth melted.

Psalm 50:3KJV
3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.

Psalm 97:5KJV
5 The hills melted like wax at the presence of the Lord, at the presence of the Lord of the whole earth.

Isaiah 66:15KJV
15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.

Zechariah 14:12KJV
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Nahum 1:5-6KJV
5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.
6 Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him.

Revelation 20:9KJV
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

You quote a lot of Scripture to deny the Word of God. Your private interpretation does not work. Those Scriptures cannot refute other verses that claim there is a coming 1000 year Day of the Lord. It happens after the cleansing fire.

Truth7t7 · Jun 13, 2021

Timtofly said:
The Millennium is the ultimate result of the end of Daniel's 70 weeks. Read Revelation 10:6-7.

There Will Be No Millennium On This Eartg As you Claim, When Jesus Christ Returns Its (The End)

As scripture clearly teaches below in 1 Corinthinas 15:23-24 , when Jesus Christ returns then comes (The End)

Many disregard (Then Cometh The End) as they desire to see a mortal Millennial Kingdom on earth, after the coming of Jesus Christ

(Then Cometh The End) As (Death Is Swallowed Up In Victory)

afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. Then cometh the end, not a Millennial Kingdom on this earth as many falsely claim

(Then Cometh The End)

(Death Is Swallowed Up In Victory)

1 Corinthians 15:21-26 & 51-54KJV
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

Timtofly · Jun 13, 2021

Truth7t7 said:
The Church Is Caught Up And Resurrected Immediately After The Tribulation, At The Second Coming

The tribulation of those days, the first 4 Seals.

Truth7t7 · Jun 13, 2021

Timtofly said:
You quote a lot of Scripture to deny the Word of God. Your private interpretation does not work. Those Scriptures cannot refute other verses that claim there is a coming 1000 year Day of the Lord. It happens after the cleansing fire.

A 1,000 year Kingdom on this earth is found no place in scripture, no place

Many claim Jesus will literally return and rule "On This Earth" In A Millennium this being false, he warned his followers against this teaching, Jesus wont be found anywhere upon this earth as many claim

The Antichrist will be in Jerusalem, claiming to be Messiah Returned, "Beware"!

"Believe It Not" "Go Not Forth"

Matthew 24:23-27KJV
23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25 Behold, I have told you before.
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Revelation 13:13-14KJV
13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

Revelation 19:20KJV
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

Timtofly · Jun 13, 2021

Truth7t7 said:
Your living in a fairy tale dream, the heavens and earth will be "Dissolved" by fire at the Lords return, will you continue to bury your head in the sand and pretend as if the scripture below dosent exists?

There Will Be No 1,000 Year Millennial Kingdom Upon This Earth, Jesus Christ Returns In Fire And Final Judgement, Dissolving This Existing Earth By Fire, Immediately After The Tribulation

This Existing Heaven And Earth Will Be (Replaced) By The New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, A New Creation, At The Return Of Jesus Christ

(Behold, I Make All Things New)

2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Revelation 21:1-5KJV
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

1 Corinthians 3:13KJV
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Malachi 3:2KJV
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

Psalm 46:6KJV
6 The heathen raged, the kingdoms were moved: he uttered his voice, the earth melted.

Psalm 50:3KJV
3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.

Psalm 97:5KJV
5 The hills melted like wax at the presence of the Lord, at the presence of the Lord of the whole earth.

Isaiah 66:15KJV
15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.

Zechariah 14:12KJV
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Nahum 1:5-6KJV
5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.
6 Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him.

Revelation 20:9KJV
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

This virtual universe of Satan will dissolve. God's Word and that creation will not pass away, until God is ready for them to pass away.

You are creating a human philosophy of a singularity that cannot exist. Even Satan can use Scripture to make a point. You are denying that God has a period of 1000 years set apart as Holy.

Truth7t7 · Jun 13, 2021

Curtis said:
Then you can tell Jesus He was wrong to say that worthy Christians will escape all those things from the great tribulation that He had just described in Luke 21:36.

Christian's will escape all those things, the plagues brought by the (Two Witnesses) will be upon the wicked world and not the church, a remake of Moses/Aaron against Pharaoh of Egypt

How many Hebrews saw their firstborn die, (None)

Truth7t7 · Jun 13, 2021

Timtofly said:
This virtual universe of Satan will dissolve. God's Word and that creation will not pass away, until God is ready for them to pass away.

Your living in a "Virtual" fairy tale dream, the heavens and earth will be "Dissolved" by fire at the Lords return, will you continue to bury your head in the sand and pretend as if the scripture below dosent exists?

There Will Be No 1,000 Year Millennial Kingdom Upon This Earth, Jesus Christ Returns In Fire And Final Judgement, Dissolving This Existing Earth By Fire, Immediately After The Tribulation

This Existing Heaven And Earth Will Be (Replaced) By The New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, A New Creation, At The Return Of Jesus Christ

(Behold, I Make All Things New)

2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Revelation 21:1-5KJV
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

1 Corinthians 3:13KJV
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Malachi 3:2KJV
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

Psalm 46:6KJV
6 The heathen raged, the kingdoms were moved: he uttered his voice, the earth melted.

Psalm 50:3KJV
3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.

Psalm 97:5KJV
5 The hills melted like wax at the presence of the Lord, at the presence of the Lord of the whole earth.

Isaiah 66:15KJV
15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.

Zechariah 14:12KJV
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Nahum 1:5-6KJV
5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.
6 Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him.

Revelation 20:9KJV
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

Timtofly · Jun 13, 2021

Truth7t7 said:
Many disregard (Then Cometh The End) as they desire to see a mortal Millennial Kingdom on earth, after the coming of Jesus Christ

You are disregarding the fact the end comes when God declares the end. 1000 years after the Second Coming, and Satan is bound.

The Millennium is not human desired. Your own carnel flesh claims it cannot happen. God says it will be Holy unto God. Satan denies it too. You think Satan wants to be bound for 1,000 years? He has no choice. You choose to make excuses why it cannot happen.

Truth7t7 · Jun 13, 2021

Timtofly said:
You are disregarding the fact the end comes when God declares the end. 1000 years after the Second Coming, and Satan is bound.

The Millennium is not human desired. Your own carnel flesh claims it cannot happen. God says it will be Holy unto God. Satan denies it too. You think Satan wants to be bound for 1,000 years? He has no choice. You choose to make excuses why it cannot happen.

God Does Declare (The End) Read It Again

There Will Be No Millennium On This Eartg As you Claim, When Jesus Christ Returns Its (The End)

As scripture clearly teaches below in 1 Corinthinas 15:23-24 , when Jesus Christ returns then comes (The End)

Many disregard (Then Cometh The End) as they desire to see a mortal Millennial Kingdom on earth, after the coming of Jesus Christ

(Then Cometh The End) As (Death Is Swallowed Up In Victory)

afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. Then cometh the end, not a Millennial Kingdom on this earth as many falsely claim

(Then Cometh The End)

(Death Is Swallowed Up In Victory)

1 Corinthians 15:21-26 & 51-54KJV
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

Timtofly · Jun 13, 2021

Truth7t7 said:
A 1,000 year Kingdom on this earth is found no place in scripture, no place

Many claim Jesus will literally return and rule "On This Earth" In A Millennium this being false, he warned his followers against this teaching, Jesus wont be found anywhere upon this earth as many claim

The Antichrist will be in Jerusalem, claiming to be Messiah Returned, "Beware"!

"Believe It Not" "Go Not Forth"

Matthew 24:23-27KJV
23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25 Behold, I have told you before.
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Revelation 13:13-14KJV
13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

Revelation 19:20KJV
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

And when 1,000 years is over Satan joins them in the Lake of fire. There is no Scripture that claims Christ rules in heaven for 1000 years. Revelation 20 is about earth and living on the earth. Are you claiming Satan is loosed in heaven and billions of glorified sons of God are consumed by fire out of earth? God's Word claims:

7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

1000 years are over. Finite and definite.

The breadth of the earth, not heaven.

Fire from heaven onto the earth.

This backs up it is on earth for the verses immediately prior, claiming these people lived on earth and reigned with Christ for 1000 years.

Timtofly · Jun 13, 2021

Truth7t7 said:
Your living in a "Virtual" fairy tale dream, the heavens and earth will be "Dissolved" by fire at the Lords return, will you continue to bury your head in the sand and pretend as if the scripture below dosent exists?

There Will Be No 1,000 Year Millennial Kingdom Upon This Earth, Jesus Christ Returns In Fire And Final Judgement, Dissolving This Existing Earth By Fire, Immediately After The Tribulation

This Existing Heaven And Earth Will Be (Replaced) By The New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, A New Creation, At The Return Of Jesus Christ

(Behold, I Make All Things New)

2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Revelation 21:1-5KJV
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

1 Corinthians 3:13KJV
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Malachi 3:2KJV
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

Psalm 46:6KJV
6 The heathen raged, the kingdoms were moved: he uttered his voice, the earth melted.

Psalm 50:3KJV
3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.

Psalm 97:5KJV
5 The hills melted like wax at the presence of the Lord, at the presence of the Lord of the whole earth.

Isaiah 66:15KJV
15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.

Zechariah 14:12KJV
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Nahum 1:5-6KJV
5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.
6 Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him.

Revelation 20:9KJV
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

Burying your head in God's Word is blinding you to God's Word. You see what your carnal flesh desires. You deny God's Holy Day, set apart as Holy, without sin, which John points out is 1000 years, and immediately following the Second Coming.

Why call God's Word a fairy tale? There are parts not desirable to me, where humans seem to be getting away with wickedness, but I do not call 1st and 2nd Kings, 1st and 2 Chronicles fairy tales.

You are literally calling Revelation 20 a fairy tale.

No Pre-Trib Rapture, The Church Will Be Present On Earth To See The Tribulation And Second Coming

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