The eternal gospel (everlasting gospel)

Timtofly said:

Adam was a son of God. Adam physically and spiritually died, just as God told Adam he would when Adam disobeyed God. Adam went from an incorruptible body to a corruptible body. Adam lost the "robe of white", which remains with God still until the Second Coming.

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Maybe, but that doesn't make Adam any less of a prophet, because the gifts and calling of God are irrevocable. Let me tell you a secret. God gave me a new name and I'm not supposed to speak it, but it's an old name and tied to the Earth for at least a thousand years. It confused me a bit, but that's okay. I can deal with a thousand years on the Earth if that's the Lord's will, but I don't like confinement and my natural inclination would not be to stay inside a temple or confined to a city. I'll go just about anywhere as long as He is with me. I struggled with being "alone" when I was young, but I was never really alone and much of my youthful rebellion was more about getting His attention than seeking my own pleasures. Don't we all want the attention and love of our fathers? Don't we all seek ways to get that attention and love? Even His discipline is done in love, though we don't understand such things as children. God is good all the time, we however, not so much.

Timtofly said:

Adam made a claim after God's claim in Genesis 1. God created many sons of God on the 6th day. Being a mother does not negate what being a son of God is.

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charity said:

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'And Adam called his wife's name Eve;
because she was the mother of all living.'
(Gen 3:20)

Hello @michaelvpardo,

The name EVE, as you probably know, is the Hebrew, 'Chavvah', meaning, 'life', or, 'life-spring'. Showing that Adam believed God: for in Genesis 6:16, God says to Eve:-

' ... I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception;
in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children;
and thy desire shall be to thy husband,
and he shall rule over thee.'

* The word, 'ALL' in Genesis 3:20 (above) is a figure of speech (named:- 'synedoche' meaning, 'of genus'), and is to be understood to refer to:- 'all who should live after her'.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

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Thank you. This is awesome and helpful. Though I'm familiar with the use of genus in biological science, I've never come across the term "synedoche". I looked it up and it makes perfect sense, but I don't believe that I want to keep it in my vocabulary. It's hard enough to be understood using words with just a few syllables.

charity said:

'And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven,
having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth,
and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,
Saying with a loud voice,
"Fear God, and give glory to Him;
for the hour of His judgment is come:
and worship Him that made heaven, and earth,
and the sea, and the fountains of waters."
(Rev 14:6)

Hello @michaelvpardo,

This is 'The Everlasting Gospel'. The only good news (or gospel) so entitled.

There are other gospels referred to in Scripture, 'the Gospel of the Grace of God', being the one that directly concerns us, for it is the gospel of our salvation.

*The Everlasting Gospel' will be preached when the hour of 'His judgment' is already come, and the age of grace has passed.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

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Would you agree that the church (in this age) is complete with the capstone?
Here's a funny question. If Lucifer became a man would he be homo sapiens angelus?

charity said:

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'And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets,
Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;.
(Eph.2:20)

Hello @michaelvpardo,

Forgive me, but I don't understand. I know of the 'cornerstone', but not the capstone.

'Jesus saith unto them,
Did ye never read in the scriptures,
The stone which the builders rejected,
the same is become the head of the corner:
this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?'
(Mat. 21:42)

'And have ye not read this scripture;
The stone which the builders rejected
is become the head of the corner: '
(Mar. 12:10)

'And He beheld them, and said,
What is this then that is written,
The stone which the builders rejected,
the same is become the head of the corner?
(Luk. 20:17)

'This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders,
which is become the head of the corner.'
(Act. 4:11)

'Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture,
Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious:
and he that believeth on Him shall not be confounded.'
(1Pet. 2:6)

'Unto you therefore which believe He is precious:
but unto them which be disobedient,
the stone which the builders disallowed,
the same is made the head of the corner,'
(1Pet. 2:7)

'I will praise Thee: for Thou hast heard me, and art become my salvation.
The stone which the builders refused is become the head stone of the corner.
This is the LORD'S doing; it is marvellous in our eyes.'
(Psa 118:21-23)

'Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD,
Behold, I lay in Zion for a foundation a stone,
a tried stone, a precious corner stone, a sure foundation:
he that believeth shall not make haste.'
(Isa 28:16)

In Christ Jesus
Chris

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I'm not sure if its repeated in scripture, but I know it from Zechariah. Every stone building has a final stone placed. If the building were like a pyramid with corbelled architecture, the top stone would be the capstone. If the building was created using "true arches", the final stone, the keystone, would also be considered a capstone.
So he answered and said to me:
"This is the word of the Lord to Zerubbabel:
‘Not by might nor by power, but by My Spirit,’
Says the Lord of hosts.
7 ‘Who are you, O great mountain?
Before Zerubbabel you shall become a plain!
And he shall bring forth the capstone
With shouts of “Grace, grace to it!” ’ ” Zechariah 4:6-8
Thank you for your response, sister. I really like Zechariah because a lot of the book is messianic and some relates to the church age, the restoration of national Israel, and even to the millennial kingdom. However, I've never actually heard anyone preach through it. You can chew on this a while, but I value your opinion and would like to know where your understanding lands.

charity said:

Hello again, @michaelvpardo,

There is one verse in which the 'capstone' or 'copingstone' is mentioned and that is in 1 Kings 7:9:-

'All these were of costly stones,
according to the measures of hewed stones,
sawed with saws, within and without,
even from the foundation unto the coping,(H2948)
and so on the outside toward the great court.'
(1 Kings 7:9)

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

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Thank you so much. I've missed this all my life. I'm familiar with the hand tool called a coping saw, but never actually knew what a coping is. Some of my translations use the word "eaves" which on sloped roofs aren't located at the top of the building but I never gave a thought to a building with a flat roof, which was common in Israel and much of the ancient world. A single monolithic block is uncommon because of the weight, but corbelled structures of necessity had to have very thick walls with relatively small chambers for that reason, like the mesoamerican temples and some Egyptian architecture. I don't enjoy reading 1st and 2nd kings all that much, nor 1st and 2nd chronicles, but I suppose that I should go back and at least look at the relevant chapters.

charity said:

Hello again, @michaelvpardo

The word is 'headstone' in the KJV which I tend to use.

'Then he answered and spake unto me, saying,
This is the word of the LORD unto Zerubbabel, saying,
'Not by might, nor by power, but by My spirit, saith the LORD of hosts."
Who art thou, O great mountain? before Zerubbabel thou shalt become a plain:
and he shall bring forth the headstone (H68/H7222) thereof with shoutings,
crying, "Grace, grace unto it."
(Zechariah 4:6-7)

H68/H7222

I shall do as you suggest and think on it.

Within the love of Christ our Saviour,
Our risen and glorified
Saviour, Lord and Head.
Chris

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Yes, my first reading as a child was in the KJV and though I've read quite a few versions, the NKJV is currently my favorite for "devotional " reading because of the flow of the English language. The ESV is similar to my "ears" and I particularly enjoy the style of the JPS Tanaach, though messianic passages are frequently altered with footnotes that confess that the actual translation is unclear or not understood. It still reads very nicely. As a child, headstone would've really confused me, and at my first reading I made frequent use of an old Webster's dictionary and an old encyclopedia set that mom and dad kept in the living room. I remember very clearly looking up the word yoke because I couldn't imagine why Jesus wanted us to put his eggs on us. (I was still very young.)

Curtis said:

There’s only one gospel, called by different names, not several.

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That my dear brother, is impossible for reasons that I've already mentioned.

charity said:

Hello @michaelvpardo,

It is good to hear that you are acquainted with the prophets, Michael. I wish I were more so. Christ is foreshadowed in Zechariah in the smitten Shepherd, Jehovah's Fellow in Zechariah 13:7; and as Jehovah's servant 'The Branch' in Zechariah 3:8, ' ... the Man whose name is The Branch' (Zechariah 6:12). He is the One great subject of Scripture isn't He? and all else stands in relation to Him.

* Zechariah 4:6-8 records a vision given to Zechariah for Zerubbabel, from the Lord Jehovah. Showing God's purpose.
* 'not by might nor by power, but by My Spirit saith the Lord': In the lampstand the oil flowed silently without the help of man, and so it is here, it is the Spirit of God that will do it.
* 'O great mountain ... ' refers to anything that stands in Zerubbabel's way, it will be flattened.
* The headstone, or capstone would be the last stone laid wouldn't it, indicating completion, and would draw forth the words, 'Grace, grace unto it'.

I can go no further with this, Michael, until I have read further.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

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At my first reading I just wanted to know more about Jesus and because I loved to hear what Jesus said and did from the gospel readings at Catholic masses. I sincerely wanted to be like Him, but didn't know how to be anything but me. I wasn't even conscious of my sin. So I read, understanding some, seeing Jesus in the psalms, wonderfully in Isaiah, but not clearly or even dimly in many of the books. I loved reading through the actual gospels, but Paul confused me. While still in the gospels I started applying the word hypocrite to the nuns and priests of our parish, and mom promptly took away that copy of the King James version that I was reading through ( and it was taking a number of years). I was very upset by this and pop came to the rescue, privately handing me his pocket copy of the New Testament and psalms that he'd gotten from a chaplain during WW II. I was consequently able to finish my first reading with the same version, but abridged. My second reading was with a Gideon's bible and I was shocked to find LORD replaced by Jehovah and other striking differences to me, and I don't recall if I even finished reading the whole bible. As yet I hadn't known that there were different translations nor did I know that the different books were written at different times. I thought that there was just one author, God.
Quite a few years later my cousin Tony showed me a paperback copy of the Jerusalem Bible which had even more books in it. It was being used in a college class examining scripture as literature (I think) and since it was a modern translation without a lot of archaic language, I purchased a copy and it had notes about various rabbinical ages and made claims attributing authorship to Elohists, and Yahwists, and just about anyone other than Moses for the books of the law. I remember reading one verse in the apocrypha that made my hand spasm so I literally tore the page (I believe it was about Solomon whom I admired for his wisdom and wealth). I continued to read sporadically from that same version for many years, but purchased an inexpensive King James Version to bring with me to work, so I could read when I had time and discuss with a coworker named Jerome, who was definitely born again and gave me satisfactory answers to all my questions and eventually prayed with me to receive Christ. I can't remember the date, but I'll never forget the day and I'll always be grateful to Jerome for his faithfulness. He confessed later that often when I questioned him, he hadn't known the answers beforehand, but they came to him in the moment and we were both blessed by the conversations. He'd been raised as a Jehovah's witness, but searched and dabbled with cults and the occult before hearing the gospel and believing it. In that we had similar experiences and had more than a few laughs over the foolishness of our early days.
I've really wandered off into testimony and reminiscence, but after I received the Lord by faith, I went back to reading from cover to cover for three years, just looking for Jesus in the Old testament and refreshing my mind in grace in the new. Jesus rebuked the scribes and pharisees saying that they thought that they would find eternal life in the scriptures, but that the scriptures testified of Him (and they didn't have the rest of the book yet).
It was wonderful reading passages and seeing Jesus in them for the first time, and the Lord kept showing me more and more. I also listened to Christian radio on a local station and learned to discern sound from unsound doctrine, but bought into at least one contrived doctrine because the teachers were good scholars and usually didn't raise any red flags in my mind.
I don't understand everything and probably wouldn't bother reading scripture anymore if I did, but what a joy it is to be taught by God and have fellowship in His word.
I do find greater joy in doing His works and that is solid food indeed, but life took a bad turn when my wife took offense at my life and turned to others for company and comfort. It had to be, because the Lord let Satan test the testimony of my baptism and though painful, He remains as promised and I love Him all the more.