Are you worried what the world thinks of you?If my boss says I must work saterday, and I refuse claiming sabbath. This is not being a light to the world. The world looks at you with contempt not with aww,,
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Are you worried what the world thinks of you?If my boss says I must work saterday, and I refuse claiming sabbath. This is not being a light to the world. The world looks at you with contempt not with aww,,
Paul was concerned about being a light in the world, should I not follow his lead?Are you worried what the world thinks of you?
If you were at war with the Law of Moses, by and by you will come to be at war with the Law of Christ. It is Christ that gave the Law of Moses and it is Christ that gave the Law of Christ. I hope that is not the case but I fear it can happen.Romans 7:22 is right in the middle of 14-25, and what it was like keeping the Laws in the Old Covenant with nothing more than our sinful nature. Our nature was at war with the Law. But not so in the New Covenant based on better promises. The sinless nature of Christ is given to us freeing us from the law of sin and death. We can now keep the righteous requirements of the law naturally, not in opposition to the law. They are now part of our very nature because the Spirit makes us born again. This is not something imputed to us with no power to change us. It is a supernatural experience that is powerful and you KNOW it when He comes into you.
So are you saying that the 10 commandments are no longer to be lived in our modern Christianity?
So are you saying we should not live by the 10 commandments as Christians in this modern day?
I think you're confusing his low opinion with the motivation for keeping them, not the keeping of them. Pretty sure he loved the idea of keeping them out of love for Jesus: "For the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good."
You see, Jesus didn't come to diminish the law, He came to MAGNIFY the law, according to Isaiah 42:21 KJV.
Got a "thus sayeth the Lord" for that?
Hello @Phoneman777,I'm sure most will immediately disagree, and rightly so. Jesus' fulfilling of the Spirit of the Law in us does not permit us to break the Letter of the Law.
Yes, the Letter of the Law is a killer, but to whom?
To him who attempts to obtain salvation through observing it - which is impossible, according to Romans 8:7 KJV and Luke 17:10 KJV. But, to the Christian who keeps the Spirit of the Law forbidding lust - and by that will automatically be keeping the Letter of the Law forbidding the act of adultery - to him, it is not a killer, but a "Law of Liberty".
So, if the fact that Jesus is our truth, reward, and faithfulness does not permit us to lie, steal, or fornicate...why do so many claim that since Jesus is their spiritual rest, they may freely break the fourth commandment? To the contrary, if Jesus is indeed our inward Spiritual rest, we will demonstrate that by outward obedience to the fourth commandment, according to Hebrews 4:9-10 KJV. The only rest God ever took was literal rest from His work of creation on the seventh day; the only day upon which He rested, blessed it, and sanctified it. If He is indeed our spiritual rest, we ought to evidence that by literally resting on the seventh day Sabbath day. Need I remind anyone, it's not the fourth "suggestion", it's the Fourth Commandment, right or wrong?
If you were at war with the Law of Moses, by and by you will come to be at war with the Law of Christ. It is Christ that gave the Law of Moses and it is Christ that gave the Law of Christ. I hope that is not the case but I fear it can happen.
That’s exactly right.So do you think we no longer need to worry about living the 10 Commandmens in our time?
Hello @Phoneman777,
I did not realise that this thread with such a horrible subject heading:- 'Jesus Is Our Truth, Reward, And Faithfulness So We Can Lie, Steal, and Fornicate? was essentially about the keeping of the fourth commandment:-
'Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God:
in it thou shalt not do any work,
thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant,
nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth,
the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day:
wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.'
(Exo 20:8)
In Christ Jesus
Chris
Michael/Jesus are the same being: the Second Person in the Divine Trinity.So Michael is your savior. Where is Michael called our Savior in the Bible?
One inspired writer wrote that "be ye holy, for I am holy" means we are to be holy "in our sphere" even as He is holy "in His sphere".Hello; @Phoneman777
I posted this answer to another forum site.
I believe that as scriptures indicate in becoming dead to sin; though sin can come up in a Christians walk.
Romans 6:11 Even so consider yourselves to be dead to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus.
It is for sure that none of us will be able to perfect ourselves and become like Christ Jesus; and be sinless for as human beings we are already tainted with Sin; though it has been paid for by Christ; when we come to the knowledge of the truth of what God had provided for us and walk and seek after God in spirit and in truth. Christians are made new creations in Christ Jesus dying to the old man and walking in the newness of life with Christ Jesus with-in them. Worshiping God in spirit and in truth even though we do fail sometimes in our Love for God; and Love For Others. Which keeps us humble and seeking after God and his goodness.
The Ten Commandments may not exist in a vacuum, but they certainly don't exist alongside the Mosaic Law because the Mosaic Law was nailed to the Cross (Colossians 2:14-16 KJV) while the Ten Commandments "stand fast forever and ever" (Psalms 111:7-8 KJV).The ten commands don’t exist in a vacuum- they were given as part of the 613 statutes and commands of the law of Moses- and all of it has to be kept down to the least jot and tittle, which includes the penalty for breaking them.
Paul wrote about the Decalogue in 2 Corinthians 3, wherein we find that the Ten Commands are: the ministration of DEATH, the letter which KILLS, and the ministration of CONDEMNATION, that has been done away - which is contrasted with the new covenant (testament) of the spirit, that gives LIFE.
2Co 3:6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the NEW testament; not of the letter, but of the SPIRIT : for the letter KILLETH , but the spirit giveth life.
2Co 3:7 But if the ministration OF DEATH written andengraven in stones (The Ten Commandments) was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glorywas to be DONE AWAY:
2Co 3:8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?
2Co 3:9 For if the ministration of condemnation beglory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.
2Co 3:10 For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.
2Co 3:11 For if that which is DONE AWAY wasglorious, much more that which remaineth isglorious.
The reason the Ten commands kills, brings death, and condemnation, and has been done away, is due to the fact that the penalty under the law for breaking any of the Ten, was being put to death by stoning.
The penalty for homicide - being put to death by stoning:
Exo 21:12 He that smiteth a man, so that he die, shall be surely put to death.
The penalty for not honoring your mother and father: put to death by stoning:
Lev 20:9 For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put todeath: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall beupon him.
The penalty for adultery: put to death by stoning:
Lev 20:10 And the man that committeth adultery with anotherman's wife, even hethat committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.
The penalty for breaking the sabbath by doing any work, such as picking up sticks for kindling: put to death by stoning:
Exo 31:14 Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it isholy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth anywork therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people.
If the Ten Commands are still in effect, the penalty for breaking them is still in effect, thus those who insist on keeping the ended covenant that contained the Ten Commands, are breaking the law themselves, by not stoning to death those who break the commands.
You can't have one without the other.
Imagine you were doing a ride along with a police officer, and you see that he ignores traffic law violations: speeding, running red lights, reckless driving, drunk driving, etc.
During the conversation you have with the officer, he says, "yes, I believe in the traffic laws. I keep those laws, myself - I just don't enforce them".
Sabbath day keepers, and Ten Commandment keepers are saying, those commands are still in effect and we keep them, but we don't enforce the law, as is required BY the law.
The ten commands ended when the old covenant ended, because the ten are called “the covenant on two tables of stone” in scripture - thus when the old covenant ended, the ten commands ended with it - including the fourth command.
Deu 9:11 And it came to pass at the end of forty days and forty nights, thatthe LORD gave me the two tables of stone, eventhe tables of the covenant.
Invariably some people will claim that the new covenant is simply the old covenant restated, but that argument won’t hold water.
Scripture says the new covenant is a BETTER covenant, founded on BETTER PROMISES - not the old one recycled.
Heb 8:6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a BETTER covenant, which was established upon better promises.
And says if the old one was faultless, there’d be no need for a new covenant.
Heb 8:7 For if that first covenanthad been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
God rested on the seventh day, but did not command anyone else to keep a seventh day sabbath at that time.
You won’t find the word sabbath anywhere in Genesis, nor find Abraham or anyone else in Genesis resting on the 7th day - because there was no such command until God gave it to Israel as a covenant sign of His freeing them from slavery in Egypt, after their Exodus.
Moses said NO ONE had the law the law God gave to Israel, until God gave it to him on Mount Sinai:
Deu 5:1 And Moses called all Israel, and said unto them, Hear, O Israel, the statutes and judgments which I speak in your ears this day, that ye may learn them, and keep, and do them.
Deu 5:2 The LORD our God made a covenant with us in Horeb.
Deu 5:3 The LORD made NOT this covenant with our fathers, but with US evenus, who areall of us here alive THIS day.
And God says why and to who, He first gave the command to keep the 7th day:
Deu 5:15 And REMEMBER that thou wast a servant in the land of Egypt, and tha the LORD thy God brought thee out thence through a mighty hand and by a stretched out arm: THEREFORE the LORD thy God commanded THEE to keep the sabbath day.
The sabbath day command was given only to Israel as a covenant sign and memorial of their being set free from slavery in Egypt.
Exo 31:13 Speak thou also unto the children of ISRAEL, saying, Verily my sabbaths YE shall keep: for itisa SIGN between ME and YOU throughout YOUR generations; that yemay know that I amthe LORD that doth sanctify YOU.
Michael/Jesus are the same being: the Second Person in the Divine Trinity.
It's for the NC, too. "I will write My laws in their minds and on there hearts...not in tables of stone, but in the fleshly tables of the heart." (Hebrews 8:8-10 KJV; 2 Corinthians 3:3 KJV) Same law, previously written in stone, but now in our heart.The letter of the law was for the Old Covenant.
"He that is not with Me is against Me"...if we're not decidedly on the side of Jesus and His Ten Commandments, we're by default fighting against Him.Well no one is fighting against keeping them. So your point is mute
I believe the word you're looking for is "archangel" which means "ruler of the angels", which Ruler Jesus is. BTW, no mention of "Michael" or "Archangel" in Hebrews 1.Michael is an angel dude. Read Hebrews 1.
Get in your bomb shelter, 'cause you're logic is ground ZERO for a 10 Megaton TRUTH bomb:Who is “like” God
and who “IS” God are two different things
but good to know what you think
Not you! LOL Ok, here we go:Jude 1:9 pretty thoroughly blows that notion up tho.
Jesus is the Lord, but Michael defers to the Lord.
c.f. Judges 13:18, where His name, appearing as The Angel of the LORD, is "Wonderful" ((see also Isaiah 9:6)) - and Judges 13:19-20 also establishes that He Himself is the LORD.
btw "Mikha'el" means 'who is like God?' -- the word "mi" is specifically an interrogative pronoun, Strong's 4310.