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Mark 10:27 quoted in the OP and your statement that God cannot sin?

A simple, yea or nay? What would my simple answer mean?

Consider the question Jesus asked the chief priests and elders here:

"The baptism of John, whence was it? from heaven, or of men? Matt 21:25

Jesus could have answered them directly but understanding their hearts he would not indulge them. The correct answer is known to Jesus and to God. Jesus was tempted and did not sin! God could not be tempted although men have tried to tempt Him.

"Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:" James 1:13

"Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God." Matt 4:7

"For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin." Heb 4:15
do you have a point ?

good scriptures btw......................
 
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Jesus did not sin because like the Father and Holy Spirit the Son is Impeccable.
Impeccable? Is that in scripture? Not in the KJV, but that is the only one I checked. Perhaps in another translation? What does impeccable mean?
 

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Impeccable? Is that in scripture? Not in the KJV, but that is the only one I checked. Perhaps in another translation? What does impeccable mean?
Impeccable means not able to sin. God is Impeccable hence impossible for God to commit a thought or act of sin.

There are two sides to this interesting question. It is important to remember that this is not a question of whether Jesus sinned. Both sides agree, as the Bible clearly says, that Jesus did not sin (2 Corinthians 5:21; 1 Peter 2:22). The question is whether Jesus could have sinned. Those who hold to “impeccability” believe that Jesus could not have sinned. Those who hold to “peccability” believe that Jesus could have sinned, but did not. Which view is correct? The clear teaching of Scripture is that Jesus was impeccable—Jesus could not have sinned. If He could have sinned, He would still be able to sin today because He retains the same essence He did while living on earth. He is the God-Man and will forever remain so, having full deity and full humanity so united in one person as to be indivisible. To believe that Jesus could sin is to believe that God could sin. “For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him” (Colossians 1:19). Colossians 2:9 adds, “For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form.”

Although Jesus is fully human, He was not born with the sinful nature that we are born with. He certainly was tempted in the same way we are, in that temptations were put before Him by Satan, yet He remained sinless because God is incapable of sinning. It is against His very nature (Matthew 4:1; Hebrews 2:18, 4:15; James 1:13). Sin is by definition a trespass of the Law. God created the Law, and the Law is by nature what God would or would not do; therefore, sin is anything that God would not do by His very nature.

To be tempted is not, in and of itself, sinful. A person could tempt you with something you have no desire to do, such as committing murder or participating in sexual perversions. You probably have no desire whatsoever to take part in these actions, but you were still tempted because someone placed the possibility before you. There are at least two definitions for the word “tempted”:

1) To have a sinful proposition suggested to you by someone or something outside yourself or by your own sin nature.

2) To consider actually participating in a sinful act and the possible pleasures and consequences of such an act to the degree that the act is already taking place in your mind.

The first definition does not describe a sinful act/thought; the second does. When you dwell upon a sinful act and consider how you might be able to bring it to pass, you have crossed the line of sin. Jesus was tempted in the fashion of definition one except that He was never tempted by a sin nature because it did not exist within Him. Satan proposed certain sinful acts to Jesus, but He had no inner desire to participate in the sin. Therefore, He was tempted like we are but remained sinless.

Those who hold to peccability believe that, if Jesus could not have sinned, He could not have truly experienced temptation, and therefore could not truly empathize with our struggles and temptations against sin. We have to remember that one does not have to experience something in order to understand it. God knows everything about everything. While God has never had the desire to sin, and has most definitely never sinned, God knows and understands what sin is. God knows and understands what it is like to be tempted. Jesus can empathize with our temptations because He knows, not because He has “experienced” all the same things we have.

Jesus knows what it is like to be tempted, but He does not know what it is like to sin. This does not prevent Him from assisting us. We are tempted with sins that are common to man (1 Corinthians 10:13). These sins generally can be boiled down to three different types: “the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life” (1 John 2:16 NKJV). Examine the temptation and sin of Eve, as well as the temptation of Jesus, and you will find that the temptations for each came from these three categories. Jesus was tempted in every way and in every area that we are, but remained perfectly holy. Although our corrupt natures will have the inner desire to participate in some sins, we have the ability, through Christ, to overcome sin because we are no longer slaves to sin but rather slaves of God (Romans 6, especially verses 2 and 16-22).got?
 
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do you have a point ?

good scriptures btw......................
The point is that sometimes a very simple answer may simply be by faith. What do we see? More to think or pray about or to study on... Almost everyone states somewhere sometime their ATs [Absolute Truths] as if they really knew them rather than believed them. Very likely I have done the same thing.
 

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The point is that sometimes a very simple answer may simply be by faith. What do we see? More to think or pray about or to study on... Almost everyone states somewhere sometime their ATs [Absolute Truths] as if they really knew them rather than believed them. Very likely I have done the same thing.
ok thanks for clarifying it amadeus
 
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This question posed to you gives to the biblical answer.

Was Jesus God ? yes or no
I would say from your question that you believe that he is. I am fine with that but I will not give you a yes or a no, because I only believe. I do not know. My place on this is by faith and the yes, or the no, do not work so clearly for me. That is one of your ATs, but it is not mine. What does a person need to know rather than only believe in order to love God? Is God looking for all of the perfectly correct answers in the theologians to make up the Body and the Bride of Christ? I believe not! That also is not knowledge, is it?
 
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Impeccable means not able to sin. God is Impeccable hence impossible for God to commit a thought or act of sin.

There are two sides to this interesting question. It is important to remember that this is not a question of whether Jesus sinned. Both sides agree, as the Bible clearly says, that Jesus did not sin (2 Corinthians 5:21; 1 Peter 2:22). The question is whether Jesus could have sinned. Those who hold to “impeccability” believe that Jesus could not have sinned. Those who hold to “peccability” believe that Jesus could have sinned, but did not. Which view is correct? The clear teaching of Scripture is that Jesus was impeccable—Jesus could not have sinned. If He could have sinned, He would still be able to sin today because He retains the same essence He did while living on earth. He is the God-Man and will forever remain so, having full deity and full humanity so united in one person as to be indivisible. To believe that Jesus could sin is to believe that God could sin. “For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him” (Colossians 1:19). Colossians 2:9 adds, “For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form.”

Although Jesus is fully human, He was not born with the sinful nature that we are born with. He certainly was tempted in the same way we are, in that temptations were put before Him by Satan, yet He remained sinless because God is incapable of sinning. It is against His very nature (Matthew 4:1; Hebrews 2:18, 4:15; James 1:13). Sin is by definition a trespass of the Law. God created the Law, and the Law is by nature what God would or would not do; therefore, sin is anything that God would not do by His very nature.

To be tempted is not, in and of itself, sinful. A person could tempt you with something you have no desire to do, such as committing murder or participating in sexual perversions. You probably have no desire whatsoever to take part in these actions, but you were still tempted because someone placed the possibility before you. There are at least two definitions for the word “tempted”:

1) To have a sinful proposition suggested to you by someone or something outside yourself or by your own sin nature.

2) To consider actually participating in a sinful act and the possible pleasures and consequences of such an act to the degree that the act is already taking place in your mind.

The first definition does not describe a sinful act/thought; the second does. When you dwell upon a sinful act and consider how you might be able to bring it to pass, you have crossed the line of sin. Jesus was tempted in the fashion of definition one except that He was never tempted by a sin nature because it did not exist within Him. Satan proposed certain sinful acts to Jesus, but He had no inner desire to participate in the sin. Therefore, He was tempted like we are but remained sinless.

Those who hold to peccability believe that, if Jesus could not have sinned, He could not have truly experienced temptation, and therefore could not truly empathize with our struggles and temptations against sin. We have to remember that one does not have to experience something in order to understand it. God knows everything about everything. While God has never had the desire to sin, and has most definitely never sinned, God knows and understands what sin is. God knows and understands what it is like to be tempted. Jesus can empathize with our temptations because He knows, not because He has “experienced” all the same things we have.

Jesus knows what it is like to be tempted, but He does not know what it is like to sin. This does not prevent Him from assisting us. We are tempted with sins that are common to man (1 Corinthians 10:13). These sins generally can be boiled down to three different types: “the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life” (1 John 2:16 NKJV). Examine the temptation and sin of Eve, as well as the temptation of Jesus, and you will find that the temptations for each came from these three categories. Jesus was tempted in every way and in every area that we are, but remained perfectly holy. Although our corrupt natures will have the inner desire to participate in some sins, we have the ability, through Christ, to overcome sin because we are no longer slaves to sin but rather slaves of God (Romans 6, especially verses 2 and 16-22).got?
Too many details for me to go through them all. Very simply if I had to choose between the impeccable and the peccable I would most definitely would go for the latter.
 

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"And Jesus looking upon them saith, With men it is impossible, but not with God: for with God all things are possible." Mark 10:27

"Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect." Matt 5:48

I’ve always had a question about the impossible in Hebrews 6:4-6 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, [5] And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, [6] If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

Impossible ...if they fall away, to renew them again to repentance? With all things are possible with God. Also have questioned seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame...with ‘despising the shame’ in Hebrews 12:2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

I guess my question is: if one has tasted of the Heavenly gift and made partaker with the Holy Spirit and after falls away is it impossible with God to renew them again to repentance? For me it is a question on topic with is there anything impossible for God?
 
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Impeccable means not able to sin. God is Impeccable hence impossible for God to commit a thought or act of sin.

There are two sides to this interesting question. It is important to remember that this is not a question of whether Jesus sinned. Both sides agree, as the Bible clearly says, that Jesus did not sin (2 Corinthians 5:21; 1 Peter 2:22). The question is whether Jesus could have sinned. Those who hold to “impeccability” believe that Jesus could not have sinned. Those who hold to “peccability” believe that Jesus could have sinned, but did not. Which view is correct? The clear teaching of Scripture is that Jesus was impeccable—Jesus could not have sinned. If He could have sinned, He would still be able to sin today because He retains the same essence He did while living on earth. He is the God-Man and will forever remain so, having full deity and full humanity so united in one person as to be indivisible. To believe that Jesus could sin is to believe that God could sin. “For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him” (Colossians 1:19). Colossians 2:9 adds, “For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form.”

Although Jesus is fully human, He was not born with the sinful nature that we are born with. He certainly was tempted in the same way we are, in that temptations were put before Him by Satan, yet He remained sinless because God is incapable of sinning. It is against His very nature (Matthew 4:1; Hebrews 2:18, 4:15; James 1:13). Sin is by definition a trespass of the Law. God created the Law, and the Law is by nature what God would or would not do; therefore, sin is anything that God would not do by His very nature.

To be tempted is not, in and of itself, sinful. A person could tempt you with something you have no desire to do, such as committing murder or participating in sexual perversions. You probably have no desire whatsoever to take part in these actions, but you were still tempted because someone placed the possibility before you. There are at least two definitions for the word “tempted”:

1) To have a sinful proposition suggested to you by someone or something outside yourself or by your own sin nature.

2) To consider actually participating in a sinful act and the possible pleasures and consequences of such an act to the degree that the act is already taking place in your mind.

The first definition does not describe a sinful act/thought; the second does. When you dwell upon a sinful act and consider how you might be able to bring it to pass, you have crossed the line of sin. Jesus was tempted in the fashion of definition one except that He was never tempted by a sin nature because it did not exist within Him. Satan proposed certain sinful acts to Jesus, but He had no inner desire to participate in the sin. Therefore, He was tempted like we are but remained sinless.

Those who hold to peccability believe that, if Jesus could not have sinned, He could not have truly experienced temptation, and therefore could not truly empathize with our struggles and temptations against sin. We have to remember that one does not have to experience something in order to understand it. God knows everything about everything. While God has never had the desire to sin, and has most definitely never sinned, God knows and understands what sin is. God knows and understands what it is like to be tempted. Jesus can empathize with our temptations because He knows, not because He has “experienced” all the same things we have.

Jesus knows what it is like to be tempted, but He does not know what it is like to sin. This does not prevent Him from assisting us. We are tempted with sins that are common to man (1 Corinthians 10:13). These sins generally can be boiled down to three different types: “the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life” (1 John 2:16 NKJV). Examine the temptation and sin of Eve, as well as the temptation of Jesus, and you will find that the temptations for each came from these three categories. Jesus was tempted in every way and in every area that we are, but remained perfectly holy. Although our corrupt natures will have the inner desire to participate in some sins, we have the ability, through Christ, to overcome sin because we are no longer slaves to sin but rather slaves of God (Romans 6, especially verses 2 and 16-22).got?
If impeccable, then Jesus was never our example, because He had an advantage over us. Though human, He lived as deity... He did not, if impeccable use faith, because all He needed to do was live according to His own natural power to overcome. And yet saying that, if impeccable, He had nothing to overcome. Temptation was a farce, a useless exercise and a sham.
The scriptures plainly declare,
KJV Romans 1:3
3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;
If born of the seed of David, Jesus was born of fallen sinful flesh... This did not make Him a sinner as taught by Catholicism under the guise of so called original sin... Whereby it is taught we inherit the actual guilt and sin of Adam, as opposed to the weaknesses and mortality of the flesh of the human race.
KJV Romans 8:3
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

It wasn't without good reason that those who accept the peccability of Christ day that Jesus can empathize with us for that reason. The scripture actually tells us exactly that...

KJV Hebrews 2:16-18
16 For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.
17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, ( this isn't just in looks) that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.
18 For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted.

As the above said, Christ suffered through temptation. The temptation was serious, it was dangerous, it was a genuine threat, and He faced it throughout His life. If impeccable, what suffering could there possibly be?
 

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I guess my question is: if one has tasted of the Heavenly gift and made partaker with the Holy Spirit and after falls away is it impossible with God to renew them again to repentance? For me it is a question on topic with is there anything impossible for God?

1Sa 7:3 And Samuel spake unto all the house of Israel, saying, If ye do return unto the LORD with all your hearts, then put away the strange gods and Ashtaroth from among you, and prepare your hearts unto the LORD, and serve him only: and he will deliver you out of the hand of the Philistines.

The whole Bible is about backsliding Israel. How many times they walked away and God still accepted them when they wholeheartedly returned.

In the question you quoted it says "to renew them again unto repentance"
Who is doing the renewing?
Is this those that are sent to spread the gospel, sent to convert people to Christ?

Perhaps it is impossible for them to convince them to return.
But I believe all things are possible with God.

If you look at the big picture, we are all children of Israel in a fashion. We either had no knowledge of God, or we chose to ignore God, or some chose to walk away. And we are the product of those who came before.
I don't think God gives up on humanity. People do. But I don't believe God does.

I'm thinking of King Nebuchadnezzar. He had it all. But he chose to make it all about himself.
He once knew that everything he had came from God. But his pride got the better of him.
God warned him and he didn't listen.
But God didn't give up on him. He showed him what life really was like without him.
Could anyone other than God be able to convince him to turn from his prideful ways?
Most likely not.

But with God, all things are possible.

Just thinking..
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Impeccable means not able to sin. God is Impeccable hence impossible for God to commit a thought or act of sin.

There are two sides to this interesting question. It is important to remember that this is not a question of whether Jesus sinned. Both sides agree, as the Bible clearly says, that Jesus did not sin (2 Corinthians 5:21; 1 Peter 2:22). The question is whether Jesus could have sinned. Those who hold to “impeccability” believe that Jesus could not have sinned. Those who hold to “peccability” believe that Jesus could have sinned, but did not. Which view is correct? The clear teaching of Scripture is that Jesus was impeccable—Jesus could not have sinned. If He could have sinned, He would still be able to sin today because He retains the same essence He did while living on earth. He is the God-Man and will forever remain so, having full deity and full humanity so united in one person as to be indivisible. To believe that Jesus could sin is to believe that God could sin. “For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him” (Colossians 1:19). Colossians 2:9 adds, “For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form.”

Although Jesus is fully human, He was not born with the sinful nature that we are born with. He certainly was tempted in the same way we are, in that temptations were put before Him by Satan, yet He remained sinless because God is incapable of sinning. It is against His very nature (Matthew 4:1; Hebrews 2:18, 4:15; James 1:13). Sin is by definition a trespass of the Law. God created the Law, and the Law is by nature what God would or would not do; therefore, sin is anything that God would not do by His very nature.

To be tempted is not, in and of itself, sinful. A person could tempt you with something you have no desire to do, such as committing murder or participating in sexual perversions. You probably have no desire whatsoever to take part in these actions, but you were still tempted because someone placed the possibility before you. There are at least two definitions for the word “tempted”:

1) To have a sinful proposition suggested to you by someone or something outside yourself or by your own sin nature.

2) To consider actually participating in a sinful act and the possible pleasures and consequences of such an act to the degree that the act is already taking place in your mind.

The first definition does not describe a sinful act/thought; the second does. When you dwell upon a sinful act and consider how you might be able to bring it to pass, you have crossed the line of sin. Jesus was tempted in the fashion of definition one except that He was never tempted by a sin nature because it did not exist within Him. Satan proposed certain sinful acts to Jesus, but He had no inner desire to participate in the sin. Therefore, He was tempted like we are but remained sinless.

Those who hold to peccability believe that, if Jesus could not have sinned, He could not have truly experienced temptation, and therefore could not truly empathize with our struggles and temptations against sin. We have to remember that one does not have to experience something in order to understand it. God knows everything about everything. While God has never had the desire to sin, and has most definitely never sinned, God knows and understands what sin is. God knows and understands what it is like to be tempted. Jesus can empathize with our temptations because He knows, not because He has “experienced” all the same things we have.

Jesus knows what it is like to be tempted, but He does not know what it is like to sin. This does not prevent Him from assisting us. We are tempted with sins that are common to man (1 Corinthians 10:13). These sins generally can be boiled down to three different types: “the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life” (1 John 2:16 NKJV). Examine the temptation and sin of Eve, as well as the temptation of Jesus, and you will find that the temptations for each came from these three categories. Jesus was tempted in every way and in every area that we are, but remained perfectly holy. Although our corrupt natures will have the inner desire to participate in some sins, we have the ability, through Christ, to overcome sin because we are no longer slaves to sin but rather slaves of God (Romans 6, especially verses 2 and 16-22).got?
I believe the crux of your post is this statement of yours "...The clear teaching of Scripture is that Jesus was impeccable—Jesus could not have sinned. If He could have sinned, He would still be able to sin today because He retains the same essence He did while living on earth..."

As a side note before I get to my point, I have an issue with your potentially misleading phrase "..He retains the same essence He did while living on earth.." Although this is not what I'm writing to you about, and to be ignored.


Now I really do not know your true intention of writing this statement, although it has the makings of a strawman and a false misleading premise because it lacks the most important ingredient.

You never attempted to show the real meat of it, why Yahshua could not sin whilst on earth.

As you know he was the 2nd and final Adam. Does this have any significant meaning to you? You know we do not know how long since the First Adam was created, when he sinned. I would wager it was between his teenaged years and becoming an old man of say 400 years. And another question, did the First Adam have an affinity to sin since his creation?

And then how long was Yahshua on this earth, say 33 years. This might be a hint and the reason why he did not sin. And even further, since his anointing, as a man say of 27-30 years old, he truly possessed the mind and the voice of his Father per scripture. This also has to be very significant regarding why Yahshua never sinned.

Just saying...these are the immediate thoughts on this subject.

Bless you, and it has the makings of a great Day

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1Sa 7:3 And Samuel spake unto all the house of Israel, saying, If ye do return unto the LORD with all your hearts, then put away the strange gods and Ashtaroth from among you, and prepare your hearts unto the LORD, and serve him only: and he will deliver you out of the hand of the Philistines.

The whole Bible is about backsliding Israel. How many times they walked away and God still accepted them when they wholeheartedly returned.

In the question you quoted it says "to renew them again unto repentance"
Who is doing the renewing?
Is this those that are sent to spread the gospel, sent to convert people to Christ?

Perhaps it is impossible for them to convince them to return.
But I believe all things are possible with God.

If you look at the big picture, we are all children of Israel in a fashion. We either had no knowledge of God, or we chose to ignore God, or some chose to walk away. And we are the product of those who came before.
I don't think God gives up on humanity. People do. But I don't believe God does.

I'm thinking of King Nebuchadnezzar. He had it all. But he chose to make it all about himself.
He once knew that everything he had came from God. But his pride got the better of him.
God warned him and he didn't listen.
But God didn't give up on him. He showed him what life really was like without him.
Could anyone other than God be able to convince him to turn from his prideful ways?
Most likely not.

But with God, all things are possible.

Just thinking..
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seems unrelated but your post makes me consider blood. Unless I’ve misunderstood not sure it says he sweated great drops of blood ...but instead in agony His sweat was like great drops of blood that fell upon (to)the ground...following mention of the cup Luke 22:44 Lexicon: And being in agony He was praying very fervently; and His sweat became like drops of blood, falling down upon the ground.

Luke 22:20 Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you.

I realize that is random but it is something Imo. Point though is in saying nothing is impossible for God ...then that one verse so often said to be impossible for God. To renew them again to repentance if they fall away...then the verses on unless a great falling away come first. Then we say we back slide and God renews us afresh when we return again. Over and over. Did Peter go away? If not then why did Christ tell Peter satan wants to sift you as wheat but when you return again...So still the question remains: is it impossible for God to renew them again to repentance if the fall away after they have tasted of the heavenly gift and been made partakers with the Holy Spirit. A lot of questions.
 
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