Special Resurrections - Cases in Scripture, of the past, and of one to come before the Great Ones

ReChoired · Jun 16, 2021

Curtis said:
... the heart of the earth ...

(you are not actually going to read all of the evidence anyway, so I am giving it not so much for you, since you will just ignore it, but I am giving it for those who love to study God's word, prayerfully and carefully.

Again from Strong's: A form of H3824; the heart; also used (figuratively) very widely for the feelings, the will and even the intellect; likewise for the centre of anything: - + care for, comfortably, consent, X considered, courag [-eous], friend [-ly], ([broken-], [hard-], [merry-], [stiff-], [stout-], double) heart ([-ed]), X heed, X I, kindly, midst, mind (-ed), X regard ([-ed)], X themselves, X unawares, understanding, X well, willingly, wisdom.

Thus we can see by Genesis 6:5, in their respective translations/versions, that the word used [“καρδια” [Tr. kardia]/“לבו” [Tr. “labe”]], is associated with other words like “imagination” and “thoughts”.

* (so-called), the LXX [Septuagint] is not the work of 70 Jewish scholars, and not written before AD 100, but is the work of the gnostic Origen in his Hexapla.

In Matthew 13:15 KJB, citing, Isaiah 6:10 KJB, the people did not want to “understand” with “their heart”. This again confirms the [Alpha; [so-called (LXX)]] Genesis use, and further if we turn to last [Omega] use of this form of the Greek word, in Revelation 18:7 GNT-TR, we see the words connected as, “she saith in her heart”.

Other uses/forms are also connected with the “spirit” - Psalms 51:10,17 of a man, and as such as that “he thinketh in his heart, so is he” - Proverbs 23:7, etc.

For the many uses of the word G2588 [καρδια] in the (so-called) LXX, see [minus the Apocrypha]:

“Genesis 6:5, 20:5,6; Exodus 25:2, 31:6, 35:5,10, 36:2; Deuteronomy 6:6, 8:2,5,14,17, 9:4, 15:9,10, 18:21, 19:6, 20:8, 28:47, 29:18, 30:14, 32:46; JoshuaB 2:11, 23:14; JudgesA 19:22; 1 Kings 1:13, 2:35, 7:3, 9:19, 12:20,24, 21:13, 27:1, 29:10; 2 Kings 6:16, 7:3, 18:14; 3 Kings 2:4, 8:23,48,66, 10:2,24, 12:26; 4 Kings 10:30,31, 20:3, 23:3,25; 1 Chronicles 28:9, 29:9; 2 Chronicles 1:11, 6:14,38, 7:10, 9:23, 13:7, 16:9, 19:9, 22:9, 25:2, 29:31, 32:31, 34:31, 35:19b; 1 Esdras 1:21; 2 Esdras 7:10,27; Esther 1:1l, ... Psalms 7:11, 9:2,27,32,34, 10:2, 11:3, 12:3, 13:1, 14:2, 23:4, 31:11, 35:11, 36:14,31, 39:11, 44:6, 52:2, 57:3, 61:5, 63:11, 65:18, 72:1, 73:8, 75:6, 83:6, 85:12, 89:12, 93:15,19, 94:10, 96:11, 100:5, 108:16, 110:1, 118:2,10,11,34,58,69,145, 124:4, 137:1, 139:3; ... Proverbs 3:5, 4:21, 6:14, 10:8,22, 12:20, 13:12, 14:33, 18:4, 19:3,21, 20:5, 23:34, 26:24, 28:26, ... Job 22:22, 33:23, 36:13, 37:24, 38:2, ... Psalm of Solomon 1:3, 8:3; Hosea 7:2; Obadiah 1:3; Zephaniah 2:15; Isaiah 6:10, 9:8, 38:3, 44:18,19, 46:8, 47:7,8,10, 49:21, 51:7, 57:1, 60:5, 61:1; Jeremiah 5:24, 7:31, 12:11, 13:22, 19:5, 23:26, 36:13, 39:41; Ezekiel 6:9, 27:4, 27:25,26,27, 28:2,8, 44:7,9, ...”

Other forms of the same Koine Greek word, may be seen here -

Kata Biblon Wiki Lexicon - καρδία - heart (n.)

H3820 - lēḇ - Strong's Hebrew Lexicon (kjv)

ReChoired · Jun 16, 2021

Curtis said:
... the heart of the earth ...

(you are not actually going to read all of the evidence anyway, so I am giving it not so much for you, since you will just ignore it, but I am giving it for those who love to study God's word, prayerfully and carefully.

[F] According to the Bible [KJB], what is the definition of “heart”?

The first [Alpha] use of “heart” is found in Genesis 6:5 KJB:

Genesis 6:5 KJB - And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

Notice the words, “every imagination of the thoughts” in connection to the “heart”. Secondarily, notice the words “wickedness” and “evil continually” in relation to fallen man's “heart”. This passage is directly tied to Genesis 8:21 KJB:

Genesis 8:21 KJB - And the LORD smelled a sweet savour; and the LORD said in his heart, I will not again curse the ground any more for man's sake; for the imagination of man's heart is evil from his youth; neither will I again smite any more every thing living, as I have done.

The words “imagination”, and “evil” are again directly associated with fallen “man's heart”, which parallels Jeremiah 17:9 KJB:

Jeremiah 17:9 KJB - The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?

In contrast to “man's heart”, being “evil”, we see God's “heart”, His Holy “spirit” of infinite “love” [1 John 4:8,16 KJB], in Genesis 6:3,6 KJB, being “grieved”, which is directly tied to Ephesians 4:30; 1 Peter 3:18-19 KJB:

Genesis 6:3 KJB - And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

Genesis 6:6 KJB - And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.

In further passages it may be seen that “speaking” inwardly, to one's self, takes place in the “heart”:

Genesis 17:17 KJB - Then Abraham fell upon his face, and laughed, and said in his heart, Shall a child be born unto him that is an hundred years old? and shall Sarah, that is ninety years old, bear?

Genesis 24:45 KJB - And before I had done speaking in mine heart, behold, Rebekah came forth with her pitcher on her shoulder; and she went down unto the well, and drew water: and I said unto her, Let me drink, I pray thee.

The “heart” of man, throughout the scriptures [KJB], is also given as the “spirit” of man, which deals with the inmost thinking, the mind of man, the thoughts and emotions of man that make up the character/personality:

Exodus 35:21 KJB - And they came, every one whose heart stirred him up, and every one whom his spirit made willing, and they brought the LORD'S offering to the work of the tabernacle of the congregation, and for all his service, and for the holy garments.

Deuteronomy 2:30 KJB - But Sihon king of Heshbon would not let us pass by him: for the LORD thy God hardened his spirit, and made his heart obstinate, that he might deliver him into thy hand, as appeareth this day.

Joshua 5:1 KJB - And it came to pass, when all the kings of the Amorites, which were on the side of Jordan westward, and all the kings of the Canaanites, which were by the sea, heard that the LORD had dried up the waters of Jordan from before the children of Israel, until we were passed over, that their heart melted, neither was there spirit in them any more, because of the children of Israel.

Psalms 34:18 KJB - The LORD is nigh unto them that are of a broken heart; and saveth such as be of a contrite spirit.

Psalms 51:10 KJB - Create in me a clean heart, O God; and renew a right spirit within me.

Psalms 51:17 KJB - The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit: a broken and a contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise.

Psalms 77:6 KJB - I call to remembrance my song in the night: I commune with mine own heart: and my spirit made diligent search.

Psalms 78:8 KJB - And might not be as their fathers, a stubborn and rebellious generation; a generation that set not their heart aright, and whose spirit was not stedfast with God.

Psalms 143:4 KJB - Therefore is my spirit overwhelmed within me; my heart within me is desolate.

Proverbs 15:13 KJB - A merry heart maketh a cheerful countenance: but by sorrow of the heart the spirit is broken.

Proverbs 17:22 KJB - A merry heart doeth good like a medicine: but a broken spirit drieth the bones.

Ecclesiastes 1:17 KJB - And I gave my heart to know wisdom, and to know madness and folly: I perceived that this also is vexation of spirit.

Isaiah 57:15 KJB - For thus saith the high and lofty One that inhabiteth eternity, whose name is Holy; I dwell in the high and holy place, with him also that is of a contrite and humble spirit, to revive the spirit of the humble, and to revive the heart of the contrite ones.

Isaiah 65:14 KJB - Behold, my servants shall sing for joy of heart, but ye shall cry for sorrow of heart, and shall howl for vexation of spirit.

Ezekiel 11:19 KJB - And I will give them one heart, and I will put a new spirit within you; and I will take the stony heart out of their flesh, and will give them an heart of flesh:

Ezekiel 18:31 KJB - Cast away from you all your transgressions, whereby ye have transgressed; and make you a new heart and a new spirit: for why will ye die, O house of Israel?

Ezekiel 21:7 KJB - And it shall be, when they say unto thee, Wherefore sighest thou? that thou shalt answer, For the tidings; because it cometh: and every heart shall melt, and all hands shall be feeble, and every spirit shall faint, and all knees shall be weak as water: behold, it cometh, and shall be brought to pass, saith the Lord GOD.

Ezekiel 36:26 KJB - A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

Mark 2:8 KJB - And immediately when Jesus perceived in his spirit that they so reasoned within themselves, he said unto them, Why reason ye these things in your hearts?

Romans 2:29 KJB - But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

Hebrews 4:12 KJB - For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

Side note: Notice the word “soul”, is directly connected to the equal phrase, “of the joints and marrow”, which deals with the wholeness of the living physical body/person/creature. Thus a “living soul” [Genesis 2:7 KJB; ie. a living body/person/creature], or in opposition, a “soul died” [Revelation 16:3 KJB, see also “the soul that sinneth, it shall die”
[Ezekiel 18:4,20 KJB]].

1 Peter 3:4 KJB - But let it be the hidden man of the heart, in that which is not corruptible, even the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price.

ReChoired · Jun 16, 2021

Curtis said:
... the heart of the earth ...

(you are not actually going to read all of the evidence anyway, so I am giving it not so much for you, since you will just ignore it, but I am giving it for those who love to study God's word, prayerfully and carefully.

And thus the “spirit” of man, the “heart” of man is connected with reasoning, imaginations and thoughts:

1 Chronicles 28:9 KJB - And thou, Solomon my son, know thou the God of thy father, and serve him with a perfect heart and with a willing mind: for the LORD searcheth all hearts, and understandeth all the imaginations of the thoughts: if thou seek him, he will be found of thee; but if thou forsake him, he will cast thee off for ever.

Psalms 81:12 KJB - So I gave them up unto their own hearts' lust: and they walked in their own counsels.

Daniel 5:20 KJB - But when his heart was lifted up, and his mind hardened in pride, he was deposed from his kingly throne, and they took his glory from him:

Zechariah 7:10 KJB - And oppress not the widow, nor the fatherless, the stranger, nor the poor; and let none of you imagine evil against his brother in your heart.

Matthew 9:4 KJB - And Jesus knowing their thoughts said, Wherefore think ye evil in your hearts?

Mark 7:21 KJB - For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,

Mark 7:22 KJB - Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:

Mark 7:23 KJB - All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.

Luke 2:35 KJB - (Yea, a sword shall pierce through thy own soul also,) that the thoughts of many hearts may be revealed.

Luke 5:22 KJB - But when Jesus perceived their thoughts, he answering said unto them, What reason ye in your hearts?

Luke 9:47 KJB - And Jesus, perceiving the thought of their heart, took a child, and set him by him,

Luke 24:38 KJB - And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts?

Romans 1:21 KJB - Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

Romans 2:15 KJB - Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another

Romans 2:29 KJB - But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

1 Corinthians 7:37 KJB - Nevertheless he that standeth stedfast in his heart, having no necessity, but hath power over his own will, and hath so decreed in his heart that he will keep his virgin, doeth well.

Ephesians 4:18 KJB - Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart:

Ephesians 5:19 KJB - Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord;

Philippians 1:7 KJB - Even as it is meet for me to think this of you all, because I have you in my heart; inasmuch as both in my bonds, and in the defence and confirmation of the gospel, ye all are partakers of my grace.

1 Timothy 1:5 KJB - Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned:

Hebrews 10:22 KJB - Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.

Revelation 18:7 KJB - How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow.

Side note: Thus, in death, when there is no more “breath”, the “soul” is no longer “living”, and no longer thinking, imagining, contemplating, or experiencing feeling, emotions, etc.

Psalms 146:4 KJB - His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in that very day his thoughts perish.

ReChoired · Jun 16, 2021

Curtis said:
... the heart of the earth ...

(you are not actually going to read all of the evidence anyway, so I am giving it not so much for you, since you will just ignore it, but I am giving it for those who love to study God's word, prayerfully and carefully.

And this is how the dead “know” “not anything” and there is no longer any emotion, knowledge, wisdom, etc:

Ecclesiastes 9:5 KJB - For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.

Ecclesiastes 9:6 KJB - Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun.

Ecclesiastes 9:10 KJB - Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest.

And the dead cannot “know”, nor “perceive”:

Job 14:21 KJB - His sons come to honour, and he knoweth it not; and they are brought low, but he perceiveth it not of them.

The spirit with which God breathed into the formed dust of the earth, making man a living soul, is His [God's] spirit, not theirs:

Genesis 3:19 KJB - In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.

Job 10:9 KJB - Remember, I beseech thee, that thou hast made me as the clay; and wilt thou bring me into dust again?

Job 14:5 KJB - Seeing his days are determined, the number of his months are with thee, thou hast appointed his bounds that he cannot pass;

Job 14:6 KJB - Turn from him, that he may rest, till he shall accomplish, as an hireling, his day.

Job 14:7 KJB - For there is hope of a tree, if it be cut down, that it will sprout again, and that the tender branch thereof will not cease.

Job 14:8 KJB - Though the root thereof wax old in the earth, and the stock thereof die in the ground;

Job 14:9 KJB -Yet through the scent of water it will bud, and bring forth boughs like a plant.

Job 14:10 KJB - But man dieth, and wasteth away: yea, man giveth up the ghost, and where is he?

Job 14:11 KJB - As the waters fail from the sea, and the flood decayeth and drieth up:

Job 14:12 KJB - So man lieth down, and riseth not: till the heavens be no more, they shall not awake, nor be raised out of their sleep.

Job 14:13 KJB - O that thou wouldest hide me in the grave, that thou wouldest keep me secret, until thy wrath be past, that thou wouldest appoint me a set time, and remember me!

Job 14:14 KJB - If a man die, shall he live again? all the days of my appointed time will I wait, till my change come.

Job 14:15 KJB - Thou shalt call, and I will answer thee: thou wilt have a desire to the work of thine hands.

Side note: Compare Job 14:5-15 KJB to 1 Corinthians 15:35-58 KJB & 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 KJB. Also, the “wrath” is the 7 Last Plagues.

Job 17:13 KJB - If I wait, the grave is mine house: I have made my bed in the darkness.

Job 17:14 KJB - I have said to corruption, Thou art my father: to the worm, Thou art my mother, and my sister.

Job 17:16 KJB - They shall go down to the bars of the pit, when our rest together is in the dust.

Job 20:11 KJB - His bones are full of the sin of his youth, which shall lie down with him in the dust.

Job 21:26 KJB - They shall lie down alike in the dust, and the worms shall cover them.

Job 34:14 KJB - If he set his heart upon man, if he gather unto himself his spirit and his breath;

Job 34:15 KJB - All flesh shall perish together, and man shall turn again unto dust.

Job 40:13 KJB - Hide them in the dust together; and bind their faces in secret.

Psalms 22:29 KJB - All they that be fat upon earth shall eat and worship: all they that go down to the dust shall bow before him: and none can keep alive his own soul.

Psalms 104:29 KJB - Thou hidest thy face, they are troubled: thou takest away their breath, they die, and return to their dust.

Ecclesiastes 3:20 KJB - All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again.

Ecclesiastes 8:8 KJB - There is no man that hath power over the spirit to retain the spirit; neither hath he power in the day of death: and there is no discharge in that war; neither shall wickedness deliver those that are given to it.

Isaiah 26:19 KJB - Thy dead men shall live, together with my dead body shall they arise. Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust: for thy dew is as the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast out the dead.

Daniel 12:2 KJB - And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

Man is the dust, which is animated, made alive, quickened, by the spirit/breath of the Living God and that which animated us, the breath/spirit of the Living God returns unto Him at death. We derive life from Him [Proverbs 22:7 KJB].

Furthermore, the word “heart” is connected to the word “midst”:

Psalms 22:14 KJB - I am poured out like water, and all my bones are out of joint: my heart is like wax; it is melted in the midst of my bowels.

Proverbs 4:21 KJB - Let them not depart from thine eyes; keep them in the midst of thine heart.

Proverbs 14:33 KJB - Wisdom resteth in the heart of him that hath understanding: but that which is in the midst of fools is made known.

Isaiah 19:1 KJB - The burden of Egypt. Behold, the LORD rideth upon a swift cloud, and shall come into Egypt: and the idols of Egypt shall be moved at his presence, and the heart of Egypt shall melt in the midst of it.

ReChoired · Jun 16, 2021

Curtis said:
... the heart of the earth ...

(you are not actually going to read all of the evidence anyway, so I am giving it not so much for you, since you will just ignore it, but I am giving it for those who love to study God's word, prayerfully and carefully.

[G] Is/are there any place/s in the Texts of Jonah/Jonas, that is/are similar to the phrase, “heart of the earth”, as Jesus stated in Matthew 12:40 KJB?

Yes, it reads [KJB], “in the midst of the seas”:

Jonah 2:3 KJB - For thou hadst cast me into the deep, in the midst of the seas; and the floods compassed me about: all thy billows and thy waves passed over me.

Jonah 2:3 (2:4) HOT - ותשׁליכני מצולה בלבב ימים ונהר יסבבני כל־משׁבריך וגליך עלי עברו׃

The Hebrew H3824 בלבב:

H3824

The Hebrew: לבב
The Transliterated Hebrew: lêbâb

Total KJB Occurrences: 249

heart, 211

Genesis 20:5-6 (2); Exodus 14:5; Leviticus 19:17; Numbers 15:39; Deuteronomy 1:28, 2:30, 4:9,29,39, 5:29, 6:5-6 (2), 7:17, 8:2,5,14,17, 9:4-5 (2), 10:12,16, 11:13,16,18, 13:3, 15:7,9-10 (2), 17:17, 18:20-21 (2), 19:6, 20:8 (2), 26:16, 28:28,47,67, 29:18-19 (2), 30:2,6 (3),10,14,17; Joshua 5:1, 14:7, 22:5, 24:23; Judges 19:8-9 (2); 1 Samuel 1:8, 2:35, 12:19-20 (2),24, 13:14, 16:7 (3), 17:28, 21:12; 2 Samuel 7:3, 19:14 (2); 1 Kings 2:4,44, 3:6, 8:17-18 (3),23,38-39 (2),48,61,66, 9:3-4 (2), 11:2 (2),4 (3),9, 14:8, 15:3 (2),14; 2 Kings 10:15 (3),30-31 (2), 20:3, 22:19, 23:25; 1 Chronicles 12:17,38, 17:2, 22:19, 28:2, 29:17-19 (5); 2 Chronicles 1:11, 6:7-8 (3),30, 9:1, 15:12,15,17, 16:9, 19:3, 22:9 (2), 25:2, 29:10,34, 30:19, 31:21, 32:31, 34:27,31, 36:13; Ezra 7:10; Nehemiah 9:8; Job 9:4, 10:13, 17:11, 22:22, 27:6; Psalms 4:4, 15:2 (2), 20:4, 22:26, 24:4, 25:17, 31:24, 62:8, 69:32, 73:1,7,13,21,26 (2), 77:6, 78:18,72, 84:5, 86:11-12 (2), 95:8,10, 101:2,5, 102:4, 109:15-16 (3), 111:1, 119:7, 139:23; Proverbs 4:21, 6:25; Ecclesiastes 9:3; Isaiah 1:5, 6:10, 7:2 (2), 9:9, 10:7 (2),12, 13:7, 14:13, 19:1, 21:4, 30:29, 32:4, 47:8, 49:21, 60:5; Jeremiah 4:4, 5:24, 13:22, 15:16, 29:13, 51:46; Lamentations 3:41; Ezekiel 3:10, 28:5, 31:10, 36:5; Daniel 8:25, 11:12,28; Joel 2:12-13 (2); Zephaniah 1:12, 2:15; Zechariah 7:10

hearts, 22

Leviticus 26:36,41; Deuteronomy 20:3, 32:46; Joshua 2:11, 7:5, 23:14; 1 Samuel 6:6, 7:3 (2); 1 Kings 8:39,58; 1 Chronicles 28:9; 2 Chronicles 6:30, 11:16, 20:33; Job 1:5; Psalms 28:3, 90:12; Jeremiah 32:40; Daniel 11:27; Hosea 7:2

mind, 4

Deuteronomy 30:1, 1 Chronicles 22:7, Jeremiah 51:50, Ezekiel 38:10

understanding, 3

Job 12:3, 34:10,34

fainthearted, 2

Deuteronomy 20:8; Isaiah 7:4

unawares, 2

Genesis 31:20,26

breasts, 1

Nahum 2:7

comfortably, 1

2 Chronicles 32:6

courage, 1

Daniel 11:25

midst, 1

Jonah 2:3

tenderhearted, 1

2 Chronicles 13:7

Jonah 2:3 (2:4) LXX* - ἀπέρριψάς με εἰς βάθη καρδίας θαλάσσης, καὶ ποταμοί με ἐκύκλωσαν· πάντες οἱ μετεωρισμοί σου καὶ τὰ κύματά σου ἐπ᾿ ἐμὲ διῆλθον.

Jonah 2:3 (2:4) LXX*+ - απερριψαςV-AAI-2S μεG1473 P-AS ειςG1519 PREP βαθηG899 N-APN καρδιαςG2588 N-GSF θαλασσηςG2281 N-GSF καιG2532 CONJ ποταμοιG4215 N-NPM μεG1473 P-AS εκυκλωσανG2944 V-AAI-3P παντεςG3956 A-NPM οιG3588 T-NPM μετεωρισμοιN-NPM σουG4771 P-GS καιG2532 CONJ ταG3588 T-NPN κυματαG2949 N-NPN σουG4771 P-GS επG1909 PREP εμεG1473 P-AS διηλθονG1330 V-AAI-3P

Thus:

Jonah 2:3 KJB, “in the midst [heart] of the seas”, is similar, to

Matthew 12:40 KJB, “in the heart of the earth”.

We now have a direct connection between “in the heart of the earth” in Matthew 12:40 KJB, with “in the midst [heart] of the seas” in Jonah 2:3 KJB, even as Jesus said:

“For as Jonas was ... in the whale's belly”, which was “in the midst [heart] of the seas”,

“so shall the Son of man be ... in the heart of the earth.”

Therefore, we will need to take a look at the connection between “of the earth” and “whale's belly”, and what those are, and to also find the connection to “heart” in both cases, dealing with “the earth” and “the seas” or “the floods” and “thy billows”, “thy waves” according to Scripture [KJB].

ReChoired · Jun 16, 2021

Curtis said:
... the heart of the earth ...

(you are not actually going to read all of the evidence anyway, so I am giving it not so much for you, since you will just ignore it, but I am giving it for those who love to study God's word, prayerfully and carefully.

Is the statement made by Jesus in Matthew 12:40 a prophecy?

Matthew 12:40 KJB - For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

Yes, the words of Matthew 12:40 KJB are a prophecy, but it is a special type of prophecy ~ a typological [dealing with type/antitype] one.

Notice carefully the prophecy that is clearly given, and the future tense thereof:

“... so shall the Son of man be ...”

Now notice the typological aspect of the prophecy [the historic past portion which was to be repeated in anti-type, or greater reality/fulfillment]:

“For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly ...”

This means we can consider the texts of Matthew and Jonah in this light [typological prophecy] and look for those things which will help us identify terms, since prophecies are given in symbol, and things go from natural to spiritual as per 1 Corinthians 15:44-46 KJB.

Let us begin with the word “whale”. A “whale” according to the bible [KJB] is a great sea creature, a sea beast [Genesis 1:20-23; Job 7:12; Ezekiel 32:2; Matthew 12:40 KJB].

A beast/creature in prophetic terms/symbolism is generally a politically gathered/united people group/nation/kingdom [Genesis 49:9; Isaiah 27:1, 46:11; Jeremiah 4:7, 5:6, 12:8, 25:38, 49:19, 50:44; Ezekiel 17:3,7, 32:2; Daniel 7:7,19,23, 8:20,21; Joel 1:6; Micah 5:8; Revelation 13:1,2,3,7,11,12, 17:3,7,8,11,12, etc., KJB]. For a specific example, the Egyptians, as a nation, were designated under the symbol of a great sea creature:

[While reading, notice, God the Greatest Fisherman [doesn't Jesus know how to fish?, just ask Peter, James and John]]

Ezekiel 32:2 KJB - Son of man, take up a lamentation for Pharaoh king of Egypt, and say unto him, Thou art like a young lion of the nations, and thou [art] as a whale in the seas: and thou camest forth with thy rivers, and troubledst the waters with thy feet, and fouledst their rivers.

[Pharaoh, as king [a head/husband] of a nation [a body/wife], represents the nation. Not only was this a prophecy of the past, but so also of the Future (events transpiring now; Daniel 11:40-45, 12:1, etc., KJB), and of the end of Satan himself.]

Ezekiel 32:3 KJB - Thus saith the Lord GOD; I will therefore spread out my net over thee with a company of many people; and they shall bring thee up in my net.

Ezekiel 32:4 KJB - Then will I leave thee upon the land, I will cast thee forth upon the open field, and will cause all the fowls of the heaven to remain upon thee, and I will fill the beasts of the whole earth with thee.

Ezekiel 32:5 KJB - And I will lay thy flesh upon the mountains, and fill the valleys with thy height.

Ezekiel 32:6 KJB - I will also water with thy blood the land wherein thou swimmest, [even] to the mountains; and the rivers shall be full of thee.

Ezekiel 32:7 KJB - And when I shall put thee out, I will cover the heaven, and make the stars thereof dark; I will cover the sun with a cloud, and the moon shall not give her light.

Ezekiel 32:8 KJB - All the bright lights of heaven will I make dark over thee, and set darkness upon thy land, saith the Lord GOD.

Ezekiel 32:9 KJB - I will also vex the hearts of many people, when I shall bring thy destruction among the nations, into the countries which thou hast not known.

Ezekiel 32:10 KJB - Yea, I will make many people amazed at thee, and their kings shall be horribly afraid for thee, when I shall brandish my sword before them; and they shall tremble at [every] moment, every man for his own life, in the day of thy fall.

Ezekiel 32:11 KJB - For thus saith the Lord GOD; The sword of the king of Babylon shall come upon thee.

Ezekiel 32:12 KJB - By the swords of the mighty will I cause thy multitude to fall, the terrible of the nations, all of them: and they shall spoil the pomp of Egypt, and all the multitude thereof shall be destroyed.

Ezekiel 32:13 KJB - I will destroy also all the beasts thereof from beside the great waters; neither shall the foot of man trouble them any more, nor the hoofs of beasts trouble them.

Ezekiel 32:14 KJB - Then will I make their waters deep, and cause their rivers to run like oil, saith the Lord GOD.

Ezekiel 32:15 KJB - When I shall make the land of Egypt desolate, and the country shall be destitute of that whereof it was full, when I shall smite all them that dwell therein, then shall they know that I [am] the LORD.

Ezekiel 32:16 KJB - This [is] the lamentation wherewith they shall lament her: the daughters of the nations shall lament her: they shall lament for her, [even] for Egypt, and for all her multitude, saith the Lord GOD.

Ezekiel 32:17 KJB - It came to pass also in the twelfth year, in the fifteenth [day] of the month, [that] the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,

Ezekiel 32:18 KJB - Son of man, wail for the multitude of Egypt, and cast them down, [even] her, and the daughters of the famous nations, unto the nether parts of the earth, with them that go down into the pit.

Also:

Isaiah 27:1 KJB - In that day the LORD with his sore and great and strong sword shall punish leviathan the piercing serpent, even leviathan that crooked serpent; and he shall slay the dragon that [is] in the sea.

Isaiah 27:12 KJB - And it shall come to pass in that day, [that] the LORD shall beat off from the channel of the river unto the stream of Egypt, and ye shall be gathered one by one, O ye children of Israel.

ReChoired · Jun 16, 2021

Curtis said:
... the heart of the earth ...

(you are not actually going to read all of the evidence anyway, so I am giving it not so much for you, since you will just ignore it, but I am giving it for those who love to study God's word, prayerfully and carefully.

Now that we have seen that a “nation” [with its king] can be described as a “whale”, a sea creature/beast, let us see how that helps us in Matthew 12:40 and in Jonah, and how it helps us in relating the other terms, “in the heart of the earth”, “in the midst [heart] of the seas”, “whale's belly”, “the floods”, “thy billows” and “thy waves”.

First, let us consider this “earth” and what that means. The “earth” [γηςG1093 N-GSF; earth, land, inhabited places, etc] - https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang...gs=G1093&t=KJV

Using the Scripture, in “line upon line” [Isaiah 28:10] we can see that the “earth” can mean peoples therein, even “[men] ... among the nations”:

1 Corinthians 16:31 KJB - Let the heavens be glad, and let the earth rejoice: and let [men] say among the nations, The LORD reigneth.

Lamentations 2:15 KJB - All that pass by clap [their] hands at thee; they hiss and wag their head at the daughter of Jerusalem, [saying, Is] this the city that [men] call The perfection of beauty, The joy of the whole earth?

Psalms 96:13 KJB - Before the LORD: for he cometh, for he cometh to judge the earth: he shall judge the world with righteousness, and the people with his truth.

Psalms 98:9 KJB - Before the LORD; for he cometh to judge the earth: with righteousness shall he judge the world, and the people with equity.

Psalms 99:1 KJB - The LORD reigneth; let the people tremble: he sitteth [between] the cherubims; let the earth be moved.

Isaiah 10:14 KJB - And my hand hath found as a nest the riches of the people: and as one gathereth eggs [that are] left, have I gathered all the earth; and there was none that moved the wing, or opened the mouth, or peeped.

Isaiah 34:1 KJB - Come near, ye nations, to hear; and hearken, ye people: let the earth hear, and all that is therein; the world, and all things that come forth of it.

Jeremiah 6:19 KJB - Hear, O earth: behold, I will bring evil upon this people, [even] the fruit of their thoughts, because they have not hearkened unto my words, nor to my law, but rejected it.

Micah 1:2 KJB - Hear, all ye people; hearken, O earth, and all that therein is: and let the Lord GOD be witness against you, the Lord from his holy temple.

Now consider again Matthew 13:15, wherein the same word “heart” is used in the same fashion:

Matthew 13:15 KJB - For this people's heart is waxed gross, and [their] ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with [their] eyes, and hear with [their] ears, and should understand with [their] heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

The phrase “in the heart of the earth”, means in the thoughts/mind/heart of the peoples/nations, as Jonas was such a sign.

Isaiah 45:22 KJB - Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I [am] God, and [there is] none else.

Luke 2:34 KJB - And Simeon blessed them, and said unto Mary his mother, Behold, this [child] is set for the fall and rising again of many in Israel; and for a sign which shall be spoken against;

Luke 2:35 KJB - (Yea, a sword shall pierce through thy own soul also,) that the thoughts of many hearts may be revealed.

John 12:32 KJB - And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all [men] unto me.

It means, Jesus would be taken, and be in the centermost attention of all the heart of the peoples, yea, even the whole world [even the onlooking unfallen universe].

Consider again in this instance of “seas”, “floods”, “billows” and “waves”:

What are “seas”?

Genesis 1:10 KJB - And God called the dry [land] Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that [it was] good.

Genesis 1:22 KJB - And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.

Leviticus 11:9 KJB - These shall ye eat of all that are in the waters: whatsoever hath fins and scales in the waters, in the seas, and in the rivers, them shall ye eat.

Leviticus 11:10 KJB - And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you:

Psalms 24:2 KJB - For he hath founded it upon the seas, and established it upon the floods.

Psalms 65:7 KJB - Which stilleth the noise of the seas, the noise of their waves, and the tumult of the people.

Jonah 2:3 KJB - For thou hadst cast me into the deep, in the midst of the seas; and the floods compassed me about: all thy billows and thy waves passed over me.

ReChoired · Jun 16, 2021

Curtis said:
... the heart of the earth ...

(you are not actually going to read all of the evidence anyway, so I am giving it not so much for you, since you will just ignore it, but I am giving it for those who love to study God's word, prayerfully and carefully.

See also “sea” in connection with the Sanctuary, as the “molten sea” of the Great Laver of Solomon's Temple:

1 Kings 7:23 KJB - And he made a molten sea, ten cubits from the one brim to the other: it was round all about, and his height was five cubits: and a line of thirty cubits did compass it round about.

1 Kings 7:24 KJB - And under the brim of it round about there were knops compassing it, ten in a cubit, compassing the sea round about: the knops were cast in two rows, when it was cast.

1 Kings 7:25 KJB - It stood upon twelve oxen, three looking toward the north, and three looking toward the west, and three looking toward the south, and three looking toward the east: and the sea was set above upon them, and all their hinder parts were inward.

1 Kings 7:26 KJB - And it was an hand breadth thick, and the brim thereof was wrought like the brim of a cup, with flowers of lilies: it contained two thousand baths.

1 Kings 7:27 KJB - And he made ten bases of brass; four cubits was the length of one base, and four cubits the breadth thereof, and three cubits the height of it.

1 Kings 7:28 KJB - And the work of the bases was on this manner: they had borders, and the borders were between the ledges:

1 Kings 7:29 KJB - And on the borders that were between the ledges were lions, oxen, and cherubims: and upon the ledges there was a base above: and beneath the lions and oxen were certain additions made of thin work.

1 Kings 7:30 KJB - And every base had four brasen wheels, and plates of brass: and the four corners thereof had undersetters: under the laver were undersetters molten, at the side of every addition.

1 Kings 7:31 KJB - And the mouth of it within the chapiter and above was a cubit: but the mouth thereof was round after the work of the base, a cubit and an half: and also upon the mouth of it were gravings with their borders, foursquare, not round.

1 Kings 7:32 KJB - And under the borders were four wheels; and the axletrees of the wheels were joined to the base: and the height of a wheel was a cubit and half a cubit.

1 Kings 7:33 KJB - And the work of the wheels was like the work of a chariot wheel: their axletrees, and their naves, and their felloes, and their spokes, were all molten.

1 Kings 7:34 KJB - And there were four undersetters to the four corners of one base: and the undersetters were of the very base itself.

1 Kings 7:35 KJB - And in the top of the base was there a round compass of half a cubit high: and on the top of the base the ledges thereof and the borders thereof were of the same.

1 Kings 7:36 KJB - For on the plates of the ledges thereof, and on the borders thereof, he graved cherubims, lions, and palm trees, according to the proportion of every one, and additions round about.

1 Kings 7:37 KJB - After this manner he made the ten bases: all of them had one casting, one measure, and one size.

1 Kings 7:38 KJB - Then made he ten lavers of brass: one laver contained forty baths: and every laver was four cubits: and upon every one of the ten bases one laver.

1 Kings 7:39 KJB - And he put five bases on the right side of the house, and five on the left side of the house: and he set the sea on the right side of the house eastward over against the south.

1 Kings 7:43 KJB - And the ten bases, and ten lavers on the bases;

1 Kings 7:44 KJB - And one sea, and twelve oxen under the sea;

2 Kings 25:13 KJB - And the pillars of brass that were in the house of the LORD, and the bases, and the brasen sea that was in the house of the LORD, did the Chaldees break in pieces, and carried the brass of them to Babylon.

2 Kings 25:16 KJB - The two pillars, one sea, and the bases which Solomon had made for the house of the LORD; the brass of all these vessels was without weight.

1 Chronicles 18:8 KJB - Likewise from Tibhath, and from Chun, cities of Hadarezer, brought David very much brass, wherewith Solomon made the brasen sea, and the pillars, and the vessels of brass.

2 Chronicles 4:2 KJB - Also he made a molten sea of ten cubits from brim to brim, round in compass, and five cubits the height thereof; and a line of thirty cubits did compass it round about.

2 Chronicles 4:3 KJB - And under it was the similitude of oxen, which did compass it round about: ten in a cubit, compassing the sea round about. Two rows of oxen were cast, when it was cast.

2 Chronicles 4:4 KJB - It stood upon twelve oxen, three looking toward the north, and three looking toward the west, and three looking toward the south, and three looking toward the east: and the sea was set above upon them, and all their hinder parts were inward.

2 Chronicles 4:5 KJB - And the thickness of it was an handbreadth, and the brim of it like the work of the brim of a cup, with flowers of lilies; and it received and held three thousand baths.

2 Chronicles 4:6 KJB - He made also ten lavers, and put five on the right hand, and five on the left, to wash in them: such things as they offered for the burnt offering they washed in them; but the sea was for the priests to wash in.

2 Chronicles 4:10 KJB - And he set the sea on the right side of the east end, over against the south.

Jeremiah 27:19 KJB - For thus saith the LORD of hosts concerning the pillars, and concerning the sea, and concerning the bases, and concerning the residue of the vessels that remain in this city,

Jeremiah 52:17 KJB - Also the pillars of brass that were in the house of the LORD, and the bases, and the brasen sea that was in the house of the LORD, the Chaldeans brake, and carried all the brass of them to Babylon.

Jeremiah 52:20 KJB - The two pillars, one sea, and twelve brasen bulls that were under the bases, which king Solomon had made in the house of the LORD: the brass of all these vessels was without weight.

What then are “waters”?

Isaiah 17:12 KJB - Woe to the multitude of many people, [which] make a noise like the noise of the seas; and to the rushing of nations, [that] make a rushing like the rushing of mighty waters!

Psalms 77:19 KJB - Thy way is in the sea, and thy path in the great waters, and thy footsteps are not known.

Revelation 17:15 KJB - And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, ... are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.

Therefore, Jesus was to be “swallowed up” by the mob [for many people were in Jerusalem from all over for the feasts], a “whale” [great sea creature; a specific nation], among the many “waters”, “seas” [peoples] and taken into its/their control, taking him where it/they would (from trial to trial, scourging to scourging), down to the depths...

This is exactly fulfilled in the life of Jesus, beginning in the Garden of Gethsemane, where he is taken captive...

Psalms 2:1 KJB - Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?

Psalms 2:2 KJB - The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, [saying],

Jude 1:13 KJB - Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever.

But many “waters” could not “quench love”:

Sons of Songs 8:7 KJB - Many waters cannot quench love, neither can the floods drown it: if [a] man would give all the substance of his house for love, it would utterly be contemned.

Psalms 93:3 KJB - The floods have lifted up, O LORD, the floods have lifted up their voice; the floods lift up their waves.

Psalms 93:4 KJB - The LORD on high [is] mightier than the noise of many waters, [yea, than] the mighty waves of the sea.

There is more to yet see, for we need to look at the Jonas type and compare to the anti-type events, and see if this truly fits. Yet, I know you wont consider all of that evidence either, since you are indolent in prayerful study of God's word.

ReChoired · Jun 16, 2021

Curtis said:
...Scripture says Jesus descended into the heart of the earth and preached to those spirits in captivity during the three days His body was dead.

No, scripture says no such thing. Let's look prayerfully and carefully, shall we? (I know you are loathe to do it though and will simply complain of the length and of time it takes to study, because ye are yet carnal, and would rather do some other thing)

Here are the texts and immediate local context of 1 Peter 3:1-22; Genesis 6:1-22, 7:1-24 [see also previous and after Genesis 8:1-22, 9:1-29]; Job 22:15-17; Jude 1:14-15.

Before we move into these texts [1 Peter 3:1-22], let us look even further back into the context to see what Peter believes:

Blessed [be] the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, 1 Peter 1:3

To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you, 1 Peter 1:4

Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time. 1 Peter 1:5

Wherein ye greatly rejoice, though now for a season, if need be, ye are in heaviness through manifold temptations: 1 Peter 1:6

That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ: 1 Peter 1:7

What do we immediately notice that Peter believes?

[1] That we are “begotten … again unto a lively [living] hope...”, and what is this “lively hope”, not that we actually have the inheritance realized, but that we are actively and still hoping for it to be realized, and this “lively hope”, will be realized in the “resurrection … from the dead” and not before, even as Paul says, “Henceforth [from this point forward in time] there is [currently] laid up [reserved, even as Peter says] for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day [the Day of the Lord]: and not to me only, but unto all them [which currently sleep in Jesus in the dust of the earth, or are then alive and changed instantly, from mortality to conditional immortality] also that love his appearing [2nd Advent, when the Lord blows the trumpet and calls the dead to life and immortal bloom [1 Thessalonians 4:13-18]].” [2 Timothy 4:8]

[2] Peter says that this “lively hope” that we have comes through, or is by “...the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead.” and therefore we do not inherently have an immortal anything, but it is only “...brought life and immortality to light...” [2 Timothy 1:10] through Christ's resurrection “...from the dead.” which is even preached in the “gospel”.

[3] Notice that it is an “...inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away...”, but do we now possess it 'in hand'?, or rather as Peter says that it is a “lively hope” [for if we are still hoping, it is not yet present, but future], even “...reserved in heaven for you”. What does it mean to be “reserved”? It means to be held in another's possession until such time as it is to be given unto us in actuality, but for the moment it is promised of God, and it is He [Jesus] which holds it.

[4] Peter clearly states that for the moment we are “...kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation...”, and therefore notice that it is “through faith unto salvation”, and not merely salvation without condition [“But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.” Matthew 24:13; see also Mark 13:13]. We all have the choice to continue or not continue to walk with Christ Jesus [John 6:66], and that choice is never to be taken away, not even in all eternity [more on this later if necessary].

[5] Peter says that this “salvation” is “...ready to be revealed in the last time.” and is therefore not yet here, but future still, for we, even as he, await Christ Jesus coming in the clouds of glory with all His holy angels, “revealed in the last time” [“revealed”; see also Matthew 10:26; Luke12:2, “...in the day when the Son of man is revealed.” Luke 17:30; “...the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire ...” 1 Corinthians 3:13, even in that day when the man of sin is revealed [2 Thessalonians 2:3-8]; “...a partaker of the glory that shall be revealed.” 1 Peter 5:1], which is the Day of the Lord, the 2nd Advent.

That word “revealed” - “apokalyptō” “ἀποκαλύπτω” has many other complimentary partners in the Scripture which all speak of the same events:

But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. (1 Corinthians 15:23).

The English word “coming” in the Greek is “parousia” “παρουσία” and means “presence, the advent, the coming, the arrival, the future visible return of JESUS from Heaven to raise the dead, hold the last judgment, and set up formally and gloriously the Kingdom of GOD” [Strong's Concordance] [See Matthew 24:37 and compare to Luke 17:26,30].

The same word can be viewed in many other passages: [Matthew 24:3,27,37,39; 1 Corinthians 16:17; 2 Corinthians 7:6-7, 10:10; Philippians 1:26, 2:12; 1 Thessalonians 2:19, 3:13, 4:15, 5:23; 2 Thessalonians 2:1,8,9; James 5:7-8; 2 Peter 1:16, 3:4,12; 1 John 2:28].

There are also many other words that also describe Jesus' visible, physical, audible, tumultuous, glorious, triumphant and literal return at His appointed time:

“to come and/or arrive” “erchomai” “ἔρχομαι” [Matthew 24:30, 26:64; John 14:3; 1 Corinthians 11:26; Revelation. 1:7],

“to appear visibly” “optanomai” “ὀπτάνομαι” [Hebrews 9:28],

“to return” “analyō” “ἀναλύω” [Luke 12:36],

“to reveal” “apokalypsis” “ἀποκάλυψις” [2 Thessalonians 1:7; 1 Peter 1:7; Luke 17:29-30],

“to manifest” “epiphaneia” “ἐπιφάνεια” [1 Timothy 6:14; 2 Timothy 4:8; Titus 2:13],

“make manifest” “phaneroō” “φανερόω” [1 Peter 5:4],

“come” “hēkō” “ἥκω” [Revelation 2:25],

“to return” “hypostrephō” “ὑποστρέφω” [Luke 19:12].

All Heaven will be poured out in the Triumphant Great Advent of the Lord, Saviour and God, Christ Jesus, and the Gates will be lifted up again:

And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward [is] with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. [Revelation 22:12]

[6] Peter uses another related word “revealed” - “apokalypsis” “ἀποκάλυψις” here, “...might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ...” and we may look at both [vs 5 and vs 7] and see that they are speaking of the same events, the 2nd Advent which it is then that the “glory” [vs 7] is known, then we shall be changed and “...shine as the brightness of the firmament … as the stars for ever and ever.” [Daniel 12:3]

[7] Peter continues in this same thought over and over again, “Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ;” 1 Peter 1:13, and so therefore notice that there is a “hope” we must have for something yet future, to be continued with us, “..to the end...” for that “grace”, which will be [future tense, not yet here], “...brought unto you at...”, when shall it be brought? “...at the revelation [same word in vs 5, “revealed”] of Jesus Christ.”, not before.

[8] When does Peter speak of the “glory” that was given to the Son? It was after the resurrection, “Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.” [1 Peter 1:21], and therefore it will not be until our [the faithful's] respective resurrection that we too shall receive of this “glory”, then no longer having a “lively hope” for it, but in reality then possessing it, having finally reached “the end” by that continued and persevering “faith”.

[9] Peter is continually speaking of the time frame of this 2nd Advent, “...glorify God in the day of visitation.” [1 Peter 2:12] and “...an elder, and a witness of the sufferings of Christ, and also a partaker of the glory that shall be revealed” [1 Peter 5:1] and “And when the chief Shepherd shall appear, ye shall receive a crown of glory that fadeth not away.” [1 Peter 5:4].

ReChoired · Jun 16, 2021

Curtis said:
...Scripture says Jesus descended into the heart of the earth and preached to those spirits in captivity during the three days His body was dead.

No, scripture says no such thing. Let's look prayerfully and carefully, shall we? (I know you are loathe to do it though and will simply complain of the length and of time it takes to study, because ye are yet carnal, and would rather do some other thing)

Is this consistent with Peter that the dead are dead [asleep] until their respective resurrection, and are not ascended into Heaven? It sure is, even from the very moment of Pentecost, being anointed by the Holy Spirit:

What did Peter teach on this subject? Let us go to a powerful lesson in Acts 2:

The Apostle Simon 'Peter' Barjona, filled with the Holy Spirit, raises his voice and begins speaking, teaching and orating. He is not alone in this, for not only is this message signified and approved by the Holy Spirit Himself, he is also surrounded by the other 11 Apostles of Christ Jesus and the remaining Disciples that were with them. The Apostle Simon 'Peter' Barjona then before the crowd in Jerusalem, in a teaching and expounding manner, directly quotes from both the Prophets Joel and King David, as well as from the Psalms.

Men [and] brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day. Acts 2:29

For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, Acts 2:34

And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as [they were] from the beginning of the creation. 2 Peter 3:4

Good King David, a man after God's own heart, though he had his downfall, is Dead … Buried … not in Heaven … and even moreso his Tomb was still with them all. So says the Apostle Simon 'Peter' Barjona himself by the Holy Spirit and the Scriptures. Ought we then not to believe him? If not, how about the scriptures which agreed with him and others such as Paul and/or Jesus?

And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers. Acts 2:42

Shall we not want to continue stedfastly in the Apostle's doctrine and fellowship on this subject? What begins to happen if we do not?

What does Luke [physician/historian] teach and record about the Apostle and Martyr Stephen?

And he kneeled down, and cried with a loud voice, Lord, lay not this sin to their charge. And when he had said this, he fell asleep. Acts 7:60

What does Paul teach on David, and others who have died previously?

For David, after he had served his own generation by the will of God, fell on sleep, and was laid unto his fathers, and saw corruption: Acts 13:36

[Paul Agrees with Peter in Acts 2, which agrees with the OT scripture]

After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep. 1 Corinthians 15:6

But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. 1 Thessalonians 4:13

What did John the Apostle teach by the Holy Spirit in Revelation?

And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed [are] the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them. Revelation 14:13

Moving onward, Let us see what Peter says after the verses [1 Peter 3:1-22] we are to consider and thus see what is surrounding them. He continues exhorting to live godly, keeping the Commandments of God through faith, believing His precious promises that we might be partakers of the divine nature, and if such faith is kept unto the end, we shall have an entrance ministered by Jesus and all the Holy angels come with Him to take us back, etc, for he knows that these will be his last words unto them:

For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. 2 Peter 1:11

Wherefore I will not be negligent to put you always in remembrance of these things, though ye know [them], and be established in the present truth. 2 Peter 1:12

Yea, I think it meet, as long as I am in this tabernacle, to stir you up by putting [you] in remembrance; 2 Peter 1:13

Knowing that shortly I must put off [this] my tabernacle, even as our Lord Jesus Christ hath shewed me. 2 Peter 1:14

Moreover I will endeavour that ye may be able after my decease to have these things always in remembrance. 2 Peter 1:15

[1] When shall we receive this “entrance” [2 Peter 1:11] into the “everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ”? Even as Peter said earlier, it is when He shall be “revealed” [1 Peter 1:5,7,13] from Heaven. As of this moment that is what we have this “lively hope” [1 Peter 1:3] of. For though our names are written in Heaven [Luke 10:20; which may, a this time, still be removed and blotted out], we desire to enter there. Peter says that it shall be “...ministered unto [us]...” [2 Peter 1:11], and how so?, by Jesus Christ Himself coming with every single ministering angel [Psalms 68:17, 104:3; Isaiah 66:15; Matthew 13:39,49, 16:27, 24:30, 25:31,51, 26:64; Mark 8:38, 13:27; Luke 9:26, 21:27; Acts 1:9-11; 1 Thessalonians 3:13, 4:16-17; Hebrews 1:7; Revelation 1:7, 12:7, etc] in Heaven to come and claim His own [John 14:2-3; Matthew 24:30, 25:31; Mark 8:38; Luke 9:26, 21:27; 1 Thessalonians 3:13, 4:16; etc], known as the Great Harvest of Wheat [Revelation 14:15] which shall be reaped.

[2] Peter declares that these shall be some of his very last words to them, as Jesus had revealed to him earlier [vs 14], that Peter was to die, “Knowing that shortly I must put off [this] my tabernacle...” [2 Peter 1:14], and thus speaks of his own “decease” [2 Peter 1:15], greek “exodos” “ἔξοδος”, which means departing, and in context, “departing” from life to go “in[to] the grave” [Job 14:13; Psalms 6:5, 31:17, 49:14, 88:5,11; Ecclesiastes 9:10; John 11:17; further see Genesis 42:38; 2 Samuel 3:32, 19:37; 1 Kings 2:6, 14:13; 2 Kings 22:20; Job 17:13, 21:13,32; Isaiah 38:10, 53:9; etc] and the “return[ing] unto dust” [Genesis 2:7, 3:19, 18:27; Job 4:19, 7:21, 10:9, 17:16, 20:11, 21:26, 34:15, 40:13; Psalms 22:15,29, 30:9, 103:14, 104:29; Ecclesiastes 3:20, 12:7; Isaiah 2:10, 26:19; Daniel 12:2, etc]. Peter understands that his earthly tabernacle, this mortal of his shall be “swallowed up of life” [2 Corinthians 5:4] in the resurrection to come, wherein he shall have been given as a “reward” [Revelation 22:12], for having been a “faithful and wise servant” [Matthew 24:45], a new glorified tabernacle [2 Corinthians 5:2], but that while he is returned unto dust, he is temporarily until such time, “sleepeth/asleep” [John 11:11; 2 Peter 3:4] in the first death without a tabernacle of earth or of heaven, “naked” [2 Corinthians 5:3] in death [not the 2nd death].

ReChoired · Jun 16, 2021

Curtis said:
...Scripture says Jesus descended into the heart of the earth and preached to those spirits in captivity during the three days His body was dead.

No, scripture says no such thing. Let's look prayerfully and carefully, shall we? (I know you are loathe to do it though and will simply complain of the length and of time it takes to study, because ye are yet carnal, and would rather do some other thing)

[3] We see that Peter strove with great love in his heart for them, with tender compassionate care and Godly fear, saying that he would “...not be negligent to put you always in remembrance of these things” [2 Peter 1:12] by several instances of “...putting [them] in remembrance...” [2 Peter 1:13], and again telling them to “...have these things always in remembrance.” [2 Peter 1:15], even though they already “know [them]” [2 Peter 1:12], but so that they would be “...established in the present truth” [2 Peter 1:12] and not “...carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, [and] cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive.” [Ephesians 4:14], knowing that “...it is the last time...” [1 John 2:18]; and that “...evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.” [2 Timothy 3:13], because there were already as foretold by Jesus [Matthew 24:24; Mark 13:22], “...false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.” [2 Peter 2:1], even these reprobate, “Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.” [2 Timothy 2:8]. Immortal soul/spirit theology destroys the hope of the resurrection, and of what Christ Jesus did upon the Cross, for those which teach it, say that people enter into Heaven [or hell/purgatory for others] as soon as they die, without any need of a resurrection... for even when will the wicked be cast in to the fire, as soon as they die? No. Scripture says, “Whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.”, which takes place after the Great White Throne Judgment and second Great resurrection [resurrection of damnation; “But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished ...” Revelation 20:5(a)], and so “...there was found no place for them.” [Revelation 20:11; Daniel 2:35], not in Heaven, nor on earth [for there will be no more death or grave, for the earth shall be made New].

[4] For Peter even writes that even the wicked angels [living beings, like unto us but different, “for all flesh in not the same flesh”, one kind and another [more on this later if necessary]] are yet “reserved” unto their rewards/judgments, “...to be reserved unto judgment ...” [2 Peter 2:4] and even the devils know this that their time of punishment is coming, yet future, “...art thou come hither to torment us before the time.” [Matthew 8:29] therefore as Paul says, “Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord come, who both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts: and then shall every man have praise of God.” [1 Corinthians 4:5], and while the rebellious angels yet live and are active, the wicked humanity which have died, slumber in the ground, for God knows how “...to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished.” [2 Peter 2:9], for that day approaches and is soon is coming according to prophecy, in which they both [wicked angel and wicked mankind] will perish together, depraved Head and Root and diseased body and branches of that corrupt tree, “For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch.” [Malachi 4:1], and in that day, “...to be taken and destroyed … and shall utterly perish in their own corruption.” [2 Peter 2:12] and “And shall receive the reward of unrighteousness...” [2 Peter 2:13], “...to whom the mist of darkness is reserved for ever.” [2 Peter 2:17], to “perish” [John 3:16; 2 Peter 3:9] and without life evermore and they will be made “...a terror, and thou [shalt be] no [more]: though thou be sought for, yet shalt thou never be found again, saith the Lord GOD.” [Ezekiel 26:21] and “...thou shalt be a terror, and never [shalt be] any more.” [Ezekiel 27:36] and “...shalt be a terror, and never [shalt] thou [be] any more.” [Ezekiel 28:19].

[5] Peter knows that even in the last days there will be “scoffers” [2 Peter 3:3], “...Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep...” [2 Peter 3:4] and yet knowing that “...the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.” [2 Peter 3:7], for in that day, the Day of the Lord [the 1,000 years, the millennium; the 7th Day with the Lord God, 2 Peter 3:8], “But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.” [2 Peter 3:10] and “[Seeing] then [that] all these things shall be dissolved, what manner [of persons] ought ye to be in [all] holy conversation and godliness,” [2 Peter 3:11] and “Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?” [2 Peter 3:12]

[6] Peter was looking forward to the New Heaven and the New Earth: “Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.” [2 Peter 3:13], even so “...seeing that ye look for such things...” [2 Peter 3:14], not looking to be 'unclothed' [death, found 'naked'], but rather “clothed upon” [2 Corinthians 5:2,4].

Therefore, with even all that which Peter has said what do these texts of 1 Peter 3:1-22 mean?

Peter ends this section of his 1st Epistle by saying, "Finally brethren,..." after speaking about those things in 1 Peter 1 - 1 Peter 2 and also about the inward man and not the outward vain adorning, but rather of the chaste and holy conduct of the Christian, especially that which is between man [husband] and wife [1 Peter 3 1-7].

Peter then goes into a section on this Christian love for one another, to be manifested and witnessed throughout whole Christian body of Christ [1 Peter 3:8-17].

He finally then sums this all up in Christ Jesus as being the perfect model and example of this love, and re-connects that with the exhortation he previously spoke about in the earlier verses [1 Peter 3:1-17] with the very example of the days of Noah and the Salvation and Judgment seen there. Peter is giving an example of the very thing that Jesus prophesied about:

"But as the days of Noe [were], so shall also the coming of the Son of man be." [Matthew 24:37] see also Matthew 24:38; Luke 17:2627

People in Noah's day rioted, and did whatever they pleased, and took whom they wanted, etc [ask about the context of “sons of God” and “daughters of men” and what was happening there]. Noah, who "was perfect in his generations" and "walked with god" [Genesis 6:9;p], preached unto them about "righteousness" [2 Peter 2:5], but most of the rest of the world mocked and railed at him, like as others also unto the other prophets [2 Chronicles 36:16; Job 12:4; Mark 12, etc]. So Noah "suffer[ed] for righteousness sake", but was unafraid of their "terror" and of their "speak[ing] evil" of him as an "evil doer", but rather he "found grace in the eyes of the Lord" [Genesis 6:8;p] and "sanctif[ied] the Lord God [in his] heart" and so "suffer[ed] for well doing" while believing God about the coming Judgment of the Flood [Genesis 6:17] which would take everyone away in destruction and thus it was "accounted unto him for righteousnesss" for so acting upon that Faith [James 2].

ReChoired · Jun 16, 2021

Curtis said:
...Scripture says Jesus descended into the heart of the earth and preached to those spirits in captivity during the three days His body was dead.

No, scripture says no such thing. Let's look prayerfully and carefully, shall we? (I know you are loathe to do it though and will simply complain of the length and of time it takes to study, because ye are yet carnal, and would rather do some other thing)

So then what do the remaining verses of 1 Peter 3:18-22 actually mean?

The passage is not saying that Christ Jesus, while deceased and in the tomb [where "the LORD lay" [Matthew 28:6]], then incorporeally went and preached a sermon to "spirits" [the common worldly defined form of an incorporeal immortal being, ie. 'ghosts of the deceased', etc].

Jesus was dead, having suffered the Death [the wages for sin], which was ours for us all [though we too, our "old man" of "sin" [Romans 6:6;p] must die, and be "crucified with CHRIST" [Galatians 2:20;p] and be "born again" [John 3:3,7; 1 Peter 1:23]], though His "Humanity died: divinity did not die" for GOD, Divinity, is "immortal" [1 Timothy 1:17].

...

So, the Holy Spirit was already working in the "Days of Noah" upon the hearts and minds of men, as He has throughout the scriptures [Genesis 1:2; Numbers 11:29; Job 26:13; Isaiah 48:16; Zechariah 7:12; 1 Corinthians 2:10; Ephesians 3:16; 1 John 4:13; etc]:

"And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also [is] flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years." [Genesis 6:3]

So now, please notice what Peter is actually recounting of as it had happened in the "days of Noah":

"For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:" [1 Peter 3:18]

"Put to death in the flesh", and "quickend" ["made alive, to produce alive...to cause to live, make alive, give life...to restore life...springing up..."; Greek "zōopoieō" "ζῳοποιέω"; Strong's Concordance, Thayer's Lexicon, Vines Expository, ; "in other words, to make living that which was before dead/without life"] by the Holy Spirit again ["not left in hell [grave]"] into Immortal and Uncorruptible Flesh [for His flesh never having seen corruption; Exodus 16:5,22-36; Psalms 16:10, 49:9; Acts 2:27,32, 13:35,37].

He [Jesus] was "quickened by the Spirit" [in this text, being Raised by the Holy Spirit; Romans 8:11] and was forever raised as an immortal human man with "Flesh and Bones" [Luke 24:39] so that the disciples could "handle" Him and that He could "eat".

Jesus, who spake of the raising of the "Temple of his Body" [John 2:21; Revelation 21:22], was Raised Bodily [John 2:19,21, 20:12; Luke 24:3,6,39,43, etc] unto Immortality as the type of the Uncorrupted Manna in the Wilderness foretold [Exodus 16:5,22-25] and was not floating around somewhere in some "immortalized incorporeal form of man-shade" preaching to other "deceased conscious incorporeals". ...

"By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;" [1 Peter 3:19]

What is the "by which" this event ["went and preached"] was being done?

It is "by the Spirit" [being the Holy Spirit], [vs 18].

Who then is the "He" that was doing this ["went and preached"] by means of the Holy Spirit?

It is Jesus ["Christ"], [vs 18], for Jesus was preaching through the Holy Spirit whom He had sent unto Noah to warn the world of the impending Judgment of God and for repentance. Remember “And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also [is] flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.” [Genesis 6:3]? To whom was Noah preaching to in those days then by the Holy Spirit whom Jesus had sent? Deceased 'ghosts' or people who were very much alive and living in sin and rebellion towards God?

The text says that the Holy Spirit strove with "man" who is "flesh" which is animated unto life by the spirit of God, having been breathed into him:

"...My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also [is] flesh..." [Genesis 6:3;p]

Peter was using a comparison, of then [Noah's Day] and now [his [Peter's] day] and also the end of time] and was revealing that Christ Jesus through the Holy Spirit in the "days of Noah" [not in the days of Jesus' death] was preaching the Gospel of Salvation [Genesis 3:15, etc by Noah, the "preacher of righteousness"] to the living humans ["man"] that were then ["in the days of Noah"] "disobediant" to God.

The Holy Spirit is the one who convicts of Sin, Judgment and Righteousness [John 16:8], which is why even King David prayed after he had sinned and was "disobedient" ["Cast me not away from thy presence; and take not thy holy spirit from me." [Psalms 51:11]].

Who then are these "spirits in prison" [vs 19] that were being "preached" unto?

They were the living human beings [souls, living beings as defined by Genesis 2:7 and throughout] who were in the bonds of iniquity, slaves of sin, bondage of disobedience and bound to Sin, Satan and Self [selfishness and also self-works to earn salvation] as the Bible so defines:

"...brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage." [Exodus 20:2], see also Deuteronomy 5:6. 6:12, 8:14, 13:10; Judges 6:8; Joshua 24:17

"And that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death; because he hath spoken to turn [you] away from the LORD your God, which brought you out of the land of Egypt, and redeemed you out of the house of bondage, to thrust thee out of the way which the LORD thy God commanded thee to walk in. So shalt thou put the evil away from the midst of thee." [Deuteronomy 13:5] [notice also that last part of the text]

"O LORD, truly I [am] thy servant; I [am] thy servant, [and] the son of thine handmaid: thou hast loosed my bonds." [Psalms 116:16]

"Bring my soul out of prison..." [Psalms 142:7]

"To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, [and] them that sit in darkness out of the prison house." [Isaiah 42:7]

"The Spirit of the Lord GOD [is] upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to [them that are] bound;" [Isaiah 61:1]

"The Spirit of the Lord [is] upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised," [Luke 4:18]

"...whom Satan hath bound,... be loosed from this bond...?" [Luke 13:16]

"No servant can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon." [Luke 16:13]

"...Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin." [John 8:34] [...is the slave of sin]

"...the bond of iniquity." [Acts 8:23]

"For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father." [Romans 8:15]

"For ye were sometimes darkness, but now [are ye] light in the Lord: walk as children of light:" [Ephesians 5:8]

"And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage." [Hebrews 2:15]

"While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage." [2 Peter 2:19]

Surely, those that Jesus Himself himself preached to in His 3 1/2 year Ministry were not "deceased or departed, nor some immortal incorporeal", but were very much physically alive ["mortal man" [Job 4:17]; "Mortal Flesh" [2 Corinthians 4:11]] and held in the bondage to sin satan and self.

ReChoired · Jun 16, 2021

Curtis said:
...Scripture says Jesus descended into the heart of the earth and preached to those spirits in captivity during the three days His body was dead.

No, scripture says no such thing. Let's look prayerfully and carefully, shall we? (I know you are loathe to do it though and will simply complain of the length and of time it takes to study, because ye are yet carnal, and would rather do some other thing)

Even as Paul hath said:

"Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?" [Romans 6:16]

Also speaking of "liberty" from "iniquity" [lawlessness] the scriptures continue by saying:

"And I will walk at liberty: for I seek thy precepts." [Psalms 119:45]

"They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free? " [John 8:33]

"Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin." [John 8:34]

"And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: [but] the Son abideth ever." [John 8:35] [Paul uses this analogy in Galatians; those who are in bondage are sinners, refusing to submit to God and His righteousness]

"If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed." [John 8:38]

"To open their eyes, [and] to turn [them] from darkness to light, and [from] the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me." [Acts 26:18]

"Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God." [Romans 8:21]

"Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord [is], there [is] liberty." [2 Corinthians 3:17]

"For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only [use] not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another." [Galatians 5:13]

"But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth [therein], he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed." [James 1:25]

"...judged by the law of liberty." [James 2:12]

"As free, and not using [your] liberty for a cloke of maliciousness, but as the servants of God." [1 Peter 2:16]

"While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage." [2 Peter 2:19]

Looking further at the context and continuing onward:

"Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water." [1 Peter 3:20]

Who are the "which"?

They are the "spirits in prison", [vs 19], which by the text themselves declare are living people in the bonds of sin and disobedience.

When was this preaching ["preached"] to these "spirits in prison" done according to the context?

It was actually done to those who were "...disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the Ark was a prepraring..." [and even before through Enoch, and Methuselah [whose name means 'when he dies it will be sent'; 'flood'] as Jude gives]. This was done many years before Christ Jesus was ever incarnated/born as a man, and therefore long before His crucifixion.

Thus the Gospel was also Preached "in the days of Noah" [for 120 years, Genesis 6:3]. The "disobedient" were the living disobedient and transgressing human beings who did not board the Ark, disbelieved the message of warning from God, but rather who continued to rebel and ignore the warnings that God [Jesus through the Holy Spirit] had given through Noah ["preacher of Righteousness"].

It was not preached to angels, nor devils, nor immortal incorporeal forms, but rather it was preached to "man" [Genesis 6:3,5-7], who was living "flesh" [Genesis 6:12-13,17] [as we are living flesh], See also [Job 22:15-16].

Peter is likening that preachment done then ["the like figure"], to the preachment done now [1 Peter 3:21], and their "then" baptism ["wherein 8 souls were saved by water"] in "the days of Noah", and he [Peter] is comparing it to the Baptism now offered in Christ Jesus.

The Holy Spirit worked to convict of Sin then [through the preaching and lives of Adam, Seth, Enoch, Methuselah, Noah], as He does now [through Christians], but only 8 humans [living "souls"] were saved then, as no one else chose to repent, believe and obey and to get into the Ark [the only means of salvation] except Noah and his Family.

So Likewise as it was “in the days of Noe” and in the days of Peter, the Gospel was preached to them who eventually died, hopefully in the faith that they might live again in the resurrection of the just, when his [Jesus'] glory shall be revealed, “For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.” [1 Peter 4:6], “But rejoice, inasmuch as ye are partakers of Christ's sufferings; that, when his glory shall be revealed, ye may be glad also with exceeding joy.” [1 Peter 4:13] but if not in that resurrection of the faithful, then in the resurrection of the unfaithful, “And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?” [1 Peter 4:18], so too today He is convicting the whole world of "Sin, Judgment and Righteousness" [John 16:8] through the preaching of the Three Angels Messages and the "Everlasting Gospel" found in Revelation 14:6-12. [As Noah was a "preacher of Righteousness" [2 Peter 2:5] See also [Psalms 119:172], so now there is a remnant group of God's people Revelation 14:12 proclaiming it over the whole world [Revelation 14:6]...]

Christ Jesus says as it was "in the days of Noe" [Luke 17:26, see also Matthew 24:37-39], so it will be...

Another Message goes forth unto the whole world of the judgment, the Loud Cry of the Three Angels Messages is swelling and going forth even in these Last days [Revelation 14:6-12; 18:1-24]... a message for all, get into the "Ark" [Revelation 11:19], and to be “sealed” [Isaiah 8:16; Ezekiel 9:4,6,11; 2 Corinthians 1:22; Ephesians 1:13, 4:30; Revelation 7:3,4,5,6,7,8, 14:1] in before the "door" [Luke 13:25; Daniel 12:1] of Mercy and Probation closes forever, and the "rain" of destruction comes [Psalms 11:6; Isaiah 28:17, etc]

Though these three men, Noah, Daniel, and Job, were in it, they should deliver [but] their own souls by their righteousness, saith the Lord GOD. Ezekiel 14:14

Though Noah, Daniel, and Job, [were] in it, [as] I live, saith the Lord GOD, they shall deliver neither son nor daughter; they shall [but] deliver their own souls by their righteousness. Ezekiel 14:20

Repent [Acts 4:24, 14:15]. Turn unto the Creator/Redeemer Jesus Christ, and worship Him who made the Heavens, the earth and the sea and all that in them is, for he is the Lord of the 7th Day Sabbath, even as it is written, Genesis 2:1-3; Exodus 20:8-11; Revelation 14:6-7, etc.

Curtis · Jun 16, 2021

ReChoired said:
[D] How many times, in these passages [Matthew 12:38-45, 16:1-12; Luke 11:14-32 KJB], or in all of Scripture [KJB], is the specific phrase, “in the heart of the earth” or “heart of the earth” found/used?

Only once! Anyone may do a word study or search by any known method and see this.

Matthew 12:40 KJB - For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

However, a like [similar] phrase is found in Genesis, Exodus, Psalms, Isaiah and Daniel, wherein the word “midst” [OT; [Hebrew] H7130 “קרב”, “qereb”; [Syriac] H1459 “גּו”, “gav”] is used in the place of “heart” [NT]:

Genesis 48:16 KJB - The Angel which redeemed me from all evil, bless the lads; and let my name be named on them, and the name of my fathers Abraham and Isaac; and let them grow into a multitude in the midst of the earth.

Exodus 8:22 KJB - And I will sever in that day the land of Goshen, in which my people dwell, that no swarms of flies shall be there; to the end thou mayest know that I am the LORD in the midst of the earth.

Psalms 74:12 KJB - For God is my King of old, working salvation in the midst of the earth.

Isaiah 5:8 KJB - Woe unto them that join house to house, that lay field to field, till there be no place, that they may be placed alone in the midst of the earth!

Daniel 4:10 KJB - Thus were the visions of mine head in my bed; I saw, and behold a tree in the midst of the earth, and the height thereof was great.

The phrase “in the midst” is used in the scripture [KJB] in various contexts, generally meaning, 'amongst', 'in the middle' and/or 'in the center' of.

The phrase “in the midst of the earth” is not the same as the phrases, “the face of the earth”, “the fatness of the earth”, “the breadth of the earth”, “the end/s of the earth”, “the uttermost part/s of the earth”, “the utmost parts of the earth”, “four corners of the earth”, “the depths of the earth”, “the deep places of the earth”, “the low[er] parts of the earth”, “the lowest parts of the earth”, “out of the earth”, “[dens and] caves of the earth”, “nether parts of the earth”, “the high places of the earth”, “borders of the earth”, “sides of the earth”, “coasts of the earth”, “dark place/s of the earth”, “foundation/s of the earth”, “circle of the earth”, etc., and this may be known by a simple process of substitution of phrase.

Additional consideration to this question, being a result of prayerful and careful search, reveals that there also no specific connection in Scripture [KJB], in any location, which relates that this term/phraseology “in the heart of the earth” means specifically/only, “in the grave/tomb/sepulchre”.

We can also directly see that there is the equative [the ways of the LORD being “equal” [Ezekiel 18:25,29 KJB], having a “just” [Proverbs 11:1, 16:11 KJB] balance] or parallel in the passage:

Matthew 12:40 KJB - For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

This means there is an equative or parallel being made by Jesus to the terms:

[A1] “For as …”

[A2] “... so ...”
[B1] “... Jonas ...”

[B2] “... the Son of man ...”
[C1] “... was ...” [past tense, historical-typological-natural]

[C2] “... shall … be ...” [future tense, antitypological-prophetic]
[D1] “... three days and three nights ...”

[D2] “... three days and three nights ...”
[E1] “... in ...”

[E2] “... in ...”
[F1] “... the whale's belly ...”

[F2] “... the heart of the earth.”

There is nowhere in Scripture [KJB] which specifically relates the term/phraseology “in the whale's belly” to means specifically/only, “in the grave/tomb/sepulchre” either.

If any would like to attempt to disagree with those two previous statements, please reply with the specific Scriptural [KJB]/textual evidence [in the mouth of two or three witnesses]. Now, let's get deep into the matter.

Heart, kardia, has a specific meaning, it means CENTER.

Mat 12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

Jesus descended into the earth - the tomb was a cave on the earth, not in it.

Eph 4:8 Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.

Eph 4:9 (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?

In the heart of the earth was two chambers - the torments chamber, and the one called Abraham’s bosom aka paradise, which held the righteous dead, who couldn’t ascend to heaven until Messiah atoned for sins.

Jesus taught about the rich man in torments looking across the great chasm and seeing Abraham in the holding tank for souls of the Old Testament righteous dead.

Luk 16:19 “There was a rich man who was clothed in purple and fine linen and who feasted sumptuously every day.

Luk 16:20 And at his gate was laid a poor man named Lazarus, covered with sores,

Luk 16:21 who desired to be fed with what fell from the rich man's table. Moreover, even the dogs came and licked his sores.

Luk 16:22 The poor man died and was carried by the angels to Abraham's side. The rich man also died and was buried,

Luk 16:23 and in Hades, being in torment, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham far off and Lazarus at his side.

Luk 16:24 And he called out, ‘Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus to dip the end of his finger in water and cool my tongue, for I am in anguish in this flame.’

Luk 16:25 But Abraham said, ‘Child, remember that you in your lifetime received your good things, and Lazarus in like manner bad things; but now he is comforted here, and you are in anguish.

Luk 16:26 And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been fixed, in order that those who would pass from here to you may not be able, and none may cross from there to us.’

Luk 16:27 And he said, ‘Then I beg you, father, to send him to my father's house—

Luk 16:28 for I have five brothers—so that he may warn them, lest they also come into this place of torment.’

Luk 16:29 But Abraham said, ‘They have Moses and the Prophets; let them hear them.’

Luk 16:30 And he said, ‘No, father Abraham, but if someone goes to them from the dead, they will repent.’

Luk 16:31 He said to him, ‘If they do not hear Moses and the Prophets, neither will they be convinced if someone should rise from the dead.’”

Jesus preached to those captive spirits that included Abraham.:

1Pe 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

1Pe 3:19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;

While His body was dead, Jesus descended into the kardia of the earth and preached to SPIRITS in PRISON, above.

When He rose He “led captivity captive” and emptied out paradise, and took them with Him when He ascended to heaven - and now paradise is in heaven.

Eph 4:8 Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.

Emptying out paradise is the only reason there was another resurrection when Jesus rose.

Mat 27:52 The tombs also were opened. And many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised,

Mat 27:53 and coming out of the tombs after his resurrection they went into the holy city and appeared to many.

And BTW Jonah died in the belly of the fish and was resurrected after three days.

That’s a fact, because Jesus said Jonah in the belly of the fish was a SIGN of His own death, burial, and resurrection after 3 days in the heart, kardia, of the earth.

Thus if Jonah didn’t die and get resurrected, neither did Jesus.

Besides which there would be no air in the fish belly and the stomach acid would be fatal, too.

Curtis · Jun 16, 2021

ReChoired said:
No, scripture says no such thing. Let's look prayerfully and carefully, shall we? (I know you are loathe to do it though and will simply complain of the length and of time it takes to study, because ye are yet carnal, and would rather do some other thing)

Is this consistent with Peter that the dead are dead [asleep] until their respective resurrection, and are not ascended into Heaven? It sure is, even from the very moment of Pentecost, being anointed by the Holy Spirit:

What did Peter teach on this subject? Let us go to a powerful lesson in Acts 2:

The Apostle Simon 'Peter' Barjona, filled with the Holy Spirit, raises his voice and begins speaking, teaching and orating. He is not alone in this, for not only is this message signified and approved by the Holy Spirit Himself, he is also surrounded by the other 11 Apostles of Christ Jesus and the remaining Disciples that were with them. The Apostle Simon 'Peter' Barjona then before the crowd in Jerusalem, in a teaching and expounding manner, directly quotes from both the Prophets Joel and King David, as well as from the Psalms.

Men [and] brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day. Acts 2:29

For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, Acts 2:34

And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as [they were] from the beginning of the creation. 2 Peter 3:4

Good King David, a man after God's own heart, though he had his downfall, is Dead … Buried … not in Heaven … and even moreso his Tomb was still with them all. So says the Apostle Simon 'Peter' Barjona himself by the Holy Spirit and the Scriptures. Ought we then not to believe him? If not, how about the scriptures which agreed with him and others such as Paul and/or Jesus?

And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers. Acts 2:42

Shall we not want to continue stedfastly in the Apostle's doctrine and fellowship on this subject? What begins to happen if we do not?

What does Luke [physician/historian] teach and record about the Apostle and Martyr Stephen?

And he kneeled down, and cried with a loud voice, Lord, lay not this sin to their charge. And when he had said this, he fell asleep. Acts 7:60

What does Paul teach on David, and others who have died previously?

For David, after he had served his own generation by the will of God, fell on sleep, and was laid unto his fathers, and saw corruption: Acts 13:36

[Paul Agrees with Peter in Acts 2, which agrees with the OT scripture]

After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep. 1 Corinthians 15:6

But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. 1 Thessalonians 4:13
What did John the Apostle teach by the Holy Spirit in Revelation?

And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed [are] the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them. Revelation 14:13

Moving onward, Let us see what Peter says after the verses [1 Peter 3:1-22] we are to consider and thus see what is surrounding them. He continues exhorting to live godly, keeping the Commandments of God through faith, believing His precious promises that we might be partakers of the divine nature, and if such faith is kept unto the end, we shall have an entrance ministered by Jesus and all the Holy angels come with Him to take us back, etc, for he knows that these will be his last words unto them:

For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. 2 Peter 1:11

Wherefore I will not be negligent to put you always in remembrance of these things, though ye know [them], and be established in the present truth. 2 Peter 1:12

Yea, I think it meet, as long as I am in this tabernacle, to stir you up by putting [you] in remembrance; 2 Peter 1:13

Knowing that shortly I must put off [this] my tabernacle, even as our Lord Jesus Christ hath shewed me. 2 Peter 1:14

Moreover I will endeavour that ye may be able after my decease to have these things always in remembrance. 2 Peter 1:15

[1] When shall we receive this “entrance” [2 Peter 1:11] into the “everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ”? Even as Peter said earlier, it is when He shall be “revealed” [1 Peter 1:5,7,13] from Heaven. As of this moment that is what we have this “lively hope” [1 Peter 1:3] of. For though our names are written in Heaven [Luke 10:20; which may, a this time, still be removed and blotted out], we desire to enter there. Peter says that it shall be “...ministered unto [us]...” [2 Peter 1:11], and how so?, by Jesus Christ Himself coming with every single ministering angel [Psalms 68:17, 104:3; Isaiah 66:15; Matthew 13:39,49, 16:27, 24:30, 25:31,51, 26:64; Mark 8:38, 13:27; Luke 9:26, 21:27; Acts 1:9-11; 1 Thessalonians 3:13, 4:16-17; Hebrews 1:7; Revelation 1:7, 12:7, etc] in Heaven to come and claim His own [John 14:2-3; Matthew 24:30, 25:31; Mark 8:38; Luke 9:26, 21:27; 1 Thessalonians 3:13, 4:16; etc], known as the Great Harvest of Wheat [Revelation 14:15] which shall be reaped.

[2] Peter declares that these shall be some of his very last words to them, as Jesus had revealed to him earlier [vs 14], that Peter was to die, “Knowing that shortly I must put off [this] my tabernacle...” [2 Peter 1:14], and thus speaks of his own “decease” [2 Peter 1:15], greek “exodos” “ἔξοδος”, which means departing, and in context, “departing” from life to go “in[to] the grave” [Job 14:13; Psalms 6:5, 31:17, 49:14, 88:5,11; Ecclesiastes 9:10; John 11:17; further see Genesis 42:38; 2 Samuel 3:32, 19:37; 1 Kings 2:6, 14:13; 2 Kings 22:20; Job 17:13, 21:13,32; Isaiah 38:10, 53:9; etc] and the “return[ing] unto dust” [Genesis 2:7, 3:19, 18:27; Job 4:19, 7:21, 10:9, 17:16, 20:11, 21:26, 34:15, 40:13; Psalms 22:15,29, 30:9, 103:14, 104:29; Ecclesiastes 3:20, 12:7; Isaiah 2:10, 26:19; Daniel 12:2, etc]. Peter understands that his earthly tabernacle, this mortal of his shall be “swallowed up of life” [2 Corinthians 5:4] in the resurrection to come, wherein he shall have been given as a “reward” [Revelation 22:12], for having been a “faithful and wise servant” [Matthew 24:45], a new glorified tabernacle [2 Corinthians 5:2], but that while he is returned unto dust, he is temporarily until such time, “sleepeth/asleep” [John 11:11; 2 Peter 3:4] in the first death without a tabernacle of earth or of heaven, “naked” [2 Corinthians 5:3] in death [not the 2nd death].

Being asleep is what the dead body does, it’s a commonly used description.

Soul sleep is completely erroneous.

John saw souls in heaven.

When Jesus returns He brings with Him from heaven to reunite with their resurrected bodies.

Scripture clearly says He brings them WITH HIM from heaven, to be reunited with their SLEEPING bodies:

The Coming of the Lord

1Th 4:13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.

1Th 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

There’s so much proof against soul sleep, it’s incredible.

ReChoired · Jun 16, 2021

Curtis said:
...When Jesus returns He brings with Him from heaven to reunite with their resurrected bodies.

Scripture clearly says He brings them WITH HIM from heaven, to be reunited with their SLEEPING bodies:

The Coming of the Lord

1Th 4:13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.

1Th 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

There’s so much proof against soul sleep, it’s incredible.

Read the context again, prayerfully, carefully:

1Th 4:13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
1Th 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
1Th 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
1Th 4:18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

Paul, states on the matters of (1st) death ("concerning them which are asleep"), that he would not have us "ignorant" (without knowledge) so that they (we) would "sorrow not, even as others which have no hope (ie, without Christ Jesus and the resurrection in Him; Titus 2:13; 1 Peter 1:3)".

The context does not say that God (the Father) will "bring with" Jesus the deceased from Heaven to earth.

The context says that God (the Father) will "bring with" Jesus the resurrected (who had been asleep in the grave just before) of earth and the translated (those who will be alive and remain unto the second Advent without seeing (experiencing) death) of earth back from earth to Heaven (see John 14:1-4). The dead ("in Christ") are "asleep", awaiting for the call of Michael/Christ Jesus' "voice" and "trump", just as Job stated (which is where Paul is quoting from):

Job 14:10 But man dieth, and wasteth away: yea, man giveth up the ghost, and where is he?
Job 14:11 As the waters fail from the sea, and the flood decayeth and drieth up:
Job 14:12 So man lieth down, and riseth not: till the heavens be no more, they shall not awake, nor be raised out of their sleep.
Job 14:13 O that thou wouldest hide me in the grave, that thou wouldest keep me secret, until thy wrath be past, that thou wouldest appoint me a set time, and remember me!
Job 14:14 If a man die, shall he live again? all the days of my appointed time will I wait, till my change come.
Job 14:15 Thou shalt call, and I will answer thee: thou wilt have a desire to the work of thine hands.

They are all then taken back to heaven "together".

You read it incorrectly. You have simply imagined words in association with "bring with" that are not present in the text and context.

ReChoired · Jun 16, 2021

Curtis said:
Being asleep is what the dead body does, it’s a commonly used description.

I told you that you were indolent and would not read the evidences I gave. That is your own fault, for if you had proved me wrong, by reading the evidences given you, you would not have made this mistake. Read prayerfully and carefully please:

Job_20:11 His bones are full of the sin of his youth, which shall lie down with him in the dust.

Ecc_9:10 Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest.

Gen_3:19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.

Psa_104:29 Thou hidest thy face, they are troubled: thou takest away their breath, they die, and return to their dust.

ReChoired · Jun 16, 2021

Curtis said:
...There’s so much proof against soul sleep, it’s incredible.

There really isn't. What you have so far is merely eisegesis, and misunderstanding of the texts you provided.

I even demonstrate from history what the church has always taught:

https://archive.org/download/state-of-the-dead-annihilation-hellfire-non-sda-quotes/State of the Dead & Annihilation Hellfire Non-SDA Quotes.pdf

As for instance:

Polycrates wrote:

"... 1. But the bishops of Asia, led by Polycrates, decided to hold to the old custom handed down to them. He himself, in a letter which he addressed to Victor and the church of Rome, set forth in the following words the tradition which had come down to him:

2. We observe the exact day; neither adding, nor taking away. For in Asia also great lights have fallen asleep, which shall rise again on the day of the Lord's coming, when he shall come with glory from heaven, and shall seek out all the saints. Among these are Philip, one of the twelve apostles, who fell asleep in Hierapolis; and his two aged virgin daughters, and another daughter, who lived in the Holy Spirit and now rests at Ephesus; and, moreover, John, who was both a witness and a teacher, who reclined upon the bosom of the Lord, and, being a priest, wore the sacerdotal plate.

3. He fell asleep at Ephesus.

4. And Polycarp in Smyrna, who was a bishop and martyr; and Thraseas, bishop and martyr from Eumenia, who fell asleep in Smyrna.

5. Why need I mention the bishop and martyr Sagaris who fell asleep in Laodicea, or the blessed Papirius, or Melito, the Eunuch who lived altogether in the Holy Spirit, and who lies in Sardis, awaiting the episcopate from heaven, when he shall rise from the dead? ..." - Eusebius, Church History, Book V, Chapter 24, The Disagreement in Asia - CHURCH FATHERS: Church History, Book V (Eusebius)

Many others the same:

Like Luther who believed the person sleeps in death until their resurrection at the return of Jesus:

Others included Camillo Renato (1540)[109] Mátyás Dévai Bíró (1500–1545)[110] Michael Servetus (1511–1553)[111] Laelio Sozzini (1562)[112] Fausto Sozzini (1563)[113] the Polish Brethren (1565 onwards)[114] Dirk Philips (1504–1568)[115] Gregory Paul of Brzezin (1568)[116] the Socinians (1570–1800)[117] John Frith (1573)[118] George Schomann (1574)[119] Simon Budny (1576)[113]

Like Milton:

Those holding this view include: 1600s: Sussex Baptists[126] d. 1612: Edward Wightman[127] 1627: Samuel Gardner[128] 1628: Samuel Przypkowski[129] 1636: George Wither[130] 1637: Joachim Stegmann[131] 1624: Richard Overton[90] 1654: John Biddle (Unitarian)[132] 1655: Matthew Caffyn[133] 1658: Samuel Richardson[134] 1608–1674: John Milton[135][136] 1588–1670: Thomas Hobbes[117] 1605–1682: Thomas Browne[137] 1622–1705: Henry Layton[138] 1702: William Coward[138] 1632–1704: John Locke[139] 1643–1727: Isaac Newton[140] 1676–1748: Pietro Giannone[141] 1751: William Kenrick[142] 1755: Edmund Law[143] 1759: Samuel Bourn[144] 1723–1791: Richard Price[145] 1718–1797: Peter Peckard[146] 1733–1804: Joseph Priestley[147] Francis Blackburne (1765)[148] (1765).

19th-20th century:

Others include: Millerites (from 1833),[154] Edward White (1846),[155] Christadelphians (from 1848),[156] Thomas Thayer (1855),[157] François Gaussen (d.1863),[158] Henry Constable (1873),[159] Louis Burnier (Waldensian, d.1878),[160] the Baptist Conditionalist Association (1878),[161] Cameron Mann (1888),[162] Emmanuel Pétavel-Olliff (1891), Miles Grant (1895)[163] George Gabriel Stokes (1897),[155]

The Blackwell Encyclopedia of Modern Christian Thought (1995), says "There is no concept of an immortal soul in the Old Testament, nor does the New Testament ever call the human soul immortal.",[190] Harper's Bible Dictionary (1st ed. 1985), says that 'For a Hebrew, ‘soul’ indicated the unity of a human person; Hebrews were living bodies, they did not have bodies",[191] the New Bible Dictionary’ (3rd. ed. 1996), says "But to the Bible man is not a soul in a body but a body/soul unity",[192] the Encyclopedia of Judaism’ (2000), says "Scripture does not present even a rudimentarily developed theology of the soul",[193] the New Dictionary of Theology’ (2000), and "The notion of the soul as an independent force that animates human life but that can exist apart from the human body—either prior to conception and birth or subsequent to life and death—is the product only of later Judaism",[188] Eerdmans Dictionary of the Bible (2000), says "Far from referring simply to one aspect of a person, “soul” refers to the whole person",[194] the International Standard Bible Encyclopedia says "Possibly Jn. 6:33 also includes an allusion to the general life-giving function. This teaching rules out all ideas of an emanation of the soul.",[195] and "The soul and the body belong together, so that without either the one or the other there is no true man",[196] Eerdmans Bible Dictionary (1987), says "Indeed, the salvation of the “immortal soul” has sometimes been a commonplace in preaching, but it is fundamentally unbiblical.",[197] the Encyclopedia of Christianity (2003), says "The Hebrew Bible does not present the human soul (nepeš) or spirit (rûah) as an immortal substance, and for the most part it envisions the dead as ghosts in Sheol, the dark, sleepy underworld",[198] The Oxford Dictionary of the Christian Church (2005), says "there is practically no specific teaching on the subject in the Bible beyond an underlying assumption of some form of afterlife (see immortality)",[199] and the Zondervan Encyclopedia of the Bible (rev. ed. 2009), says "It is this essential soul-body oneness that provides the uniqueness of the biblical concept of the resurrection of the body as distinguished from the Greek idea of the immortality of the soul".[200][201]

The mortalist disbelief in the existence of a naturally immortal soul,[1][5] is also affirmed as biblical teaching by various modern theologians,[202][203][204][205][206][207][208][209][210]- https://enacademic.com/dic.nsf/enwiki/11538103

Curtis · Jun 16, 2021

SOUL SLEEP REFUTED

You think hell is the grave. It’s not. It’s a place in the earth that holds conscious beings in it, so that when every knee bows to Jesus on judgment day, even those in hell bow:

Php 2:9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:

Php 2:10 That at the name of Jesus EVERY knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and THINGS UNDER THE EARTH.

Php 2:11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Rev 5:3 And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither UNDER THE EARTH, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon.

Rev 5:13 And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, AND UNDER THE EARTH and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I SAYING , Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.

That place under the earth was described for us by Jesus.

Luk 16:22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;

Luk 16:23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.

Luk 16:24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.

Luk 16:25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.

Luk 16:26 And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would comefrom thence.

The above is not a parable.

A parable is a teaching tool, an analogy that relates one thing to another thing:

Mat 13:31 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is like to a grain of mustard seed, which a man took, and sowed in his field:

The kingdom of heaven is compared to a grain of mustard seed being planted.

The story of the rich man in hell is not compared to anything else, and it gives names: Abraham, Lazarus.

Parables are vague, and do not give specifics like names.

Hell is a place that Jesus said was originally created for satan and his fallen angels. And the damned are cast into that same place of everlasting fire.

Mat 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

Angels are spirits. Heb 1:13 But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?

Heb 1:14 Are they not all ministering SPIRITS sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?

Spirits have no bodies to bury in the ground, so hell cant be the grave.

And the angels in hell aren’t sleeping either. They are conscious, which is why they are chained to prevent their escape.

Jud 1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting CHAINS under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

2Pe 2:4 For if God spared not the ANGELS that sinned, but cast them down TO HELL and delivered them into CHAINS of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

Soul sleep dogma claims that the soul and body take a dirt nap at physical death, meaning the soul is buried in the ground along with the body, thus it SLEEPS there.

Not true.

In 1 Kings, Elijah prayed three times for a dead boys SOUL to come back into his body. When his SOUL returned to his body again, the dead child was alive again. His soul wasn’t asleep with his dead body, it had LEFT and had to return.

1Ki 17:20 And he cried unto the LORD, and said, O LORD my God, hast thou also brought evil upon the widow with whom I sojourn, by slaying her son?

1Ki 17:21 And he stretched himself upon the child three times, and cried unto the LORD, and said, O LORD my God, I pray thee, let this child's SOUL come INTO HIM AGAIN.

1Ki 17:22 And the LORD heard the voice of Elijah; and the SOUL of the child CAME INTO HIM AGAIN and he revived.

1Ki 17:23 And Elijah took the child, and brought him down out of the chamber into the house, and delivered him unto his mother: and Elijah said, See, thy son LIVETH.

When Rachel was dying, her soul was departing, not falling asleep.

Gen 35:18 And as her SOUL WAS DEPARTING (for she was dying), she called his name Ben-oni; but his father called him Benjamin.

Gen 35:19 So Rachel died, and she was buried on the way to Ephrath (that is, Bethlehem),

Paul was pretty clear in 2 Corinthians ch. 5 that our body is a HOUSE that we live in, that we leave at physical death.

2Co 5:1 For we know that if our earthly HOUSE of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.

2Co 5:6 Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are AT HOME IN THE BODY we are absent from the Lord:

2Co 5:7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight)

2Co 5:8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather TO BE ABSENT FROM THE BODY, and to be PRESENT with the Lord.

Our body is a house that we make our home in, until we die, then we leave our body and go to be with Jesus, if we were believers.

Scripture further makes that clear that at salvation, the Holy Spirit comes into our house, the body, and changes it from just a house, into the TEMPLE of the Holy Spirit.

1Co 6:19 What? know ye not that your BODY is the TEMPLE of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?

It further makes it clear that our body is a house when Jesus gives an example of a demon possessed man, who had a demon cast out of him, but the demon went out and got more demons, and returned to the man, and found his HOUSE swept clean, and moved right back in and brought the other demons with him, so that man was worse off than he was before.

Mat 12:43 When the unclean spirit is gone OUT OF a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none.

Mat 12:44 Then he saith, I will return into my HOUSE from whence I came out; and when he is come, he findeth it empty, swept, and garnished.

Mat 12:45 Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they ENTER IN and DWELL there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first.

When Stephen was stoned to death, he looked into heaven and saw Jesus, and said, Lord Jesus, receive my SPIRIT.

He expected to be absent from his body, and to be present with the Lord, right then, not later on after taking a dirt nap first.

Act 7:56 And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.

Act 7:57 Then they cried out with a loud voice, and stopped their ears, and ran upon him with one accord,

Act 7:58 And cast him out of the city, and stoned him: and the witnesses laid down their clothes at a young man's feet, whose name was Saul.

Act 7:59 And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, RECEIVE MY SPIRIT

John the revelator was caught up into heaven, and saw SOULS there.

Rev 6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the SOULS of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:

In Thessalonians 4, Jesus comes to raise the dead bodies of the saints and reunite them with the souls He brings with Him from heaven.

Yes, when He returns for those bodies to raise from the dead, He at the same time brings the saints WITH HIM from heaven.

1Th 4:13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.

1Th 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God BRING WITH HIM.

1Th 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the DEAD in Christ shall RISE first:

1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Soul sleep is not correct doctrine.

ReChoired · Jun 16, 2021

Curtis said:
John saw souls in heaven.

Quote the verse/s please. Then we can look, otherwise we are going off of your words, which is not scripture. Are you thinking of the 5th Seal (Revelation 6:9-11)?

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