Special Resurrections - Cases in Scripture, of the past, and of one to come before the Great Ones

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... The story of the rich man in hell is not compared to anything else, and it gives names: Abraham, Lazarus.

Parables are vague, and do not give specifics like names. ...
You are not utilizing the Bible, you are simply citing "you" as authority for the statement, "Parables are vague, and do not give specifics like names.". Please allow me to show you, your error, and to show you correctly, from scripture. Parables are not vague. They are specific (detail upon request, see Matthew 13:11, Mark 4:11,13; Luke 8:10, "know").

Some have stated that this passage cannot possibly be a 'parable' for several 'reasons':

[2] The passage is not a parable because it uses 'proper names', such as 'Abraham', 'Moses and the prophets' and 'Lazarus'.

Is [2] a true statement, founded upon a scriptural precept or rule or passage/text, a real "thus saith the Lord"?, or is it rather a fabricated 'ad hoc'; a personal and unfounded precept/rule nowhere substantiated in scripture, as the Pharisees would do, and simply asserted without foundational evidence?

Search as one desires in the scripture (pick any 'you dear reader' think fits that criteria, while I will use the actual Bible in English, the KJB), and there is no a single precept or rule laid down, anywhere, in any testament, passage or text, that says that a 'proper name' (sic) cannot be used or utilized in a parable. It is a myth, a figment of the vain imagination, and worse such a rule actually creates a contradiction to scripture as well shall see in a moment.

Somewhere, this [2] pharisaical 'precept/rule' was made up out of thin air (a real philosopher's stone, that which is made to appear to have true value and accomplish something, but having none in reality, and vanity, being bankrupt, a con-job, a flim-flam, hoodwinked, sheisted) and propagated from that point onward, and simply believed without any evidence from an "It is written."

Go on. Search for yourself.

(You might find a plethora of websites, or even 'persons' with letters after their name stating it as fact, but God's word says, "... let God be true, but every man a liar ...")

Where is such a 'rule'? Book, Chapter and Verse/s of the Bible please. I'll wait (provide even one text as a rule). I have never had anyone come back with a single thing except, *ponderous thinking in silence* (hmmmmm). You want a thus saith the Lord and It is written for what you believe and teach and practice, right? I know I do.
 

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... The story of the rich man in hell is not compared to anything else, and it gives names: Abraham, Lazarus.

Parables are vague, and do not give specifics like names. ...
You are not utilizing the Bible, you are simply citing "you" as authority for the statement, "Parables are vague, and do not give specifics like names.". Please allow me to show you, your error, and to show you correctly, from scripture. Parables are not vague. They are specific (detail upon request, see Matthew 13:11, Mark 4:11,13; Luke 8:10, "know").

"But, wait ...", a person might say. "Where is there an example in the Bible of a proper name being used in a parable?"

I will label this as [2.1], since it is an attempt at an escape route, to 'prove' [2] by 'absence of evidence', as they claim, from [2.1].

Even if I could point to no other place in scripture, from Genesis to Malachi, Matthew to Revelation wherein a proper name/s is/are used in a parable to satisfy [2.1], that would not negate the example before us in Luke 16:19-31, nor would it automatically validate [2]. It is not a case of 'majority', but of context. However, there are several such examples in scripture, both OT and NT, wherein proper names are used in parables. It is simply another myth that they are not so used.

The parable of Balaam:

Numbers 23:7 And he took up his parable, and said, Balak the king of Moab hath brought me from Aram, out of the mountains of the east, saying, Come, curse me Jacob, and come, defy Israel.
Numbers 23:8 How shall I curse, whom God hath not cursed? or how shall I defy, whom the LORD hath not defied?
Numbers 23:9 For from the top of the rocks I see him, and from the hills I behold him: lo, the people shall dwell alone, and shall not be reckoned among the nations.
Numbers 23:10 Who can count the dust of Jacob, and the number of the fourth part of Israel? Let me die the death of the righteous, and let my last end be like his!​

The parable of God unto Ezekiel:

Ezekiel 23:1 The word of the LORD came again unto me, saying,
Ezekiel 23:2 Son of man, there were two women, the daughters of one mother:
Ezekiel 23:3 And they committed whoredoms in Egypt; they committed whoredoms in their youth: there were their breasts pressed, and there they bruised the teats of their virginity.
Ezekiel 23:4 And the names of them were Aholah the elder, and Aholibah her sister: and they were mine, and they bare sons and daughters. Thus were their names; Samaria is Aholah, and Jerusalem Aholibah.​

The parable of Nathan to David:

2 Samuel 12:1 And the LORD sent Nathan unto David. And he came unto him, and said unto him, There were two men in one city; the one rich, and the other poor.
2 Samuel 12:2 The rich man had exceeding many flocks and herds:
2 Samuel 12:3 But the poor man had nothing, save one little ewe lamb, which he had bought and nourished up: and it grew up together with him, and with his children; it did eat of his own meat, and drank of his own cup, and lay in his bosom, and was unto him as a daughter.
2 Samuel 12:4 And there came a traveller unto the rich man, and he spared to take of his own flock and of his own herd, to dress for the wayfaring man that was come unto him; but took the poor man's lamb, and dressed it for the man that was come to him.
2 Samuel 12:5 And David's anger was greatly kindled against the man; and he said to Nathan, As the LORD liveth, the man that hath done this thing shall surely die:
2 Samuel 12:6 And he shall restore the lamb fourfold, because he did this thing, and because he had no pity.
2 Samuel 12:7 And Nathan said to David, Thou art the man. Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, I anointed thee king over Israel, and I delivered thee out of the hand of Saul;​

The parable of Jotham:

Judges 9:7 And when they told it to Jotham, he went and stood in the top of mount Gerizim, and lifted up his voice, and cried, and said unto them, Hearken unto me, ye men of Shechem, that God may hearken unto you.
Judges 9:8 The trees went forth on a time to anoint a king over them; and they said unto the olive tree, Reign thou over us.
Judges 9:9 But the olive tree said unto them, Should I leave my fatness, wherewith by me they honour God and man, and go to be promoted over the trees?
Judges 9:10 And the trees said to the fig tree, Come thou, and reign over us.
Judges 9:11 But the fig tree said unto them, Should I forsake my sweetness, and my good fruit, and go to be promoted over the trees?
Judges 9:12 Then said the trees unto the vine, Come thou, and reign over us.
Judges 9:13 And the vine said unto them, Should I leave my wine, which cheereth God and man, and go to be promoted over the trees?
Judges 9:14 Then said all the trees unto the bramble, Come thou, and reign over us.
Judges 9:15 And the bramble said unto the trees, If in truth ye anoint me king over you, then come and put your trust in my shadow: and if not, let fire come out of the bramble, and devour the cedars of Lebanon.​

Jesus parable of the 'mustard' (proper name of the) seed:

Matthew 13:31 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is like to a grain of mustard seed, which a man took, and sowed in his field:​

Even in explanation of parables there are proper names/titles, etc., used:

Mark 4:15 - gives "Satan"

Matthew 13:37 - gives "The Son of man"

Matthew 13:39 - gives "The devil" and "angels"

Matthew 15:13 - gives "heavenly Father"

Luke 4:23 - gives as a "proverb" "Physician" to Jesus Himself​

Moreover, the 'names' (Lazarus, Abraham, Moses) used in Luke 16:19-31 have 'meaning'.

In other words, names are of themselves symbolic and have meaning of character.

1 Samuel 25:25 Let not my lord, I pray thee, regard this man of Belial, even Nabal: for as his name is, so is he; Nabal is his name, and folly is with him: but I thine handmaid saw not the young men of my lord, whom thou didst send.

Proverbs 22:1 A good name is rather to be chosen than great riches, and loving favour rather than silver and gold.

Ecclesiastes 7:1 A good name is better than precious ointment; and the day of death than the day of one's birth.​

For instance, see the great Parable and Prophecy of Revelation, "Antipas" (Revelation 2:13); "Balaam" (Revelation 2:14); "Jezebel" (Revelation 2:20); "David" (Revelation 3:7); "children of Israel ... Juda ... Reuben ... Gad ... Aser ... Nepthalim ... Manasses ... Simeon ... Levi ... Issachar ... Zabulon ... Joseph ... Benjamin" (Revelation 7:4-8); "Wormwood" (Revelation 8:11); "Abbadon ... Apollyon" (Revelation 9:11); "Euphrates" (Revelation 9:14); "Gentiles" (Revelation 11:2); "my two witnesses" (Revelation 11:3); "Sodom and Egypt" (Revelation 11:18); "Babylon" (Revelation 14:8, 16:19, 17:5, 18:2,10,21); "Moses" (Revelation 15:3); "Armageddon" (Revelation 16:16); "Gog and Magog" (Revelation 20:8), "Dragon" (Revelation 12:7,9,13,16,17, 20:2); "Michael" (Revelation 12:7); "the Lamb" (throughout Revelation, Revelation 5:6,8,12,13, 6:1,16, 7:9,10,14,17, 12:11, 13:8,11, 14:1,4,10, 15:3, 17:14, 19:7,9, 21:9,14,22,23,27, 22:1,3).

For instance, did you know that "Lazarus" (G2976) is simply the Koine Greek way of saying the Hebrew "Eleazar" (H499, El; (H410)) is my Helper ('azar; (H5826)) or 'Eliezer" (H461))? Did Abraham have such an servant, that he loved, by that name? Yes (Genesis 15:2), and the name means, "God (El; (H410)) is my Helper ('azar; (H5828))", or the 'one whom God helps', ie. the poor in Spirit. Does the name "Abraham" (H85; G11) have meaning? Yes, it means, "a father of many nations (multitude)" (Genesis 17:5).

Therefore, can proper names (being symbolic) fit perfectly within a parable which is given in symbols according to scripture? Absolutely.
 

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... John the revelator was caught up into heaven, and saw SOULS there.

Rev 6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the SOULS of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: ...
Let us now consider this Prophetic and Symbolic/Signified - Rev. 1:1, Passage in its proper context, which is the 7 Seals, "And when he had opened the fifth seal ...", Rev. 6:9

Should we have to go over the first four "Seals" to understand they are given in Symbols, that we might understand earthly events?

The Fifth Seal is no different, for it refers to events on Earth. How do we know? The context. The texts reads that these "souls" were "under the Altar" - Rev. 6:9.

Question. According to the Scriptures, which Altar is this, the one in the Courtyard, or the Holy Place?

It is the one in the Courtyard. How do we know? Context. For the blood of the first group of Martyrs mentioned in it, was poured out at the base of that altar, just as it is given us:

And he shall put [some] of the blood upon the horns of the altar which [is] before the LORD, that [is] in the tabernacle of the congregation, and shall pour out all the blood at the bottom of the altar of the burnt offering, which [is at] the door of the tabernacle of the congregation. Leviticus 4:18

"And the priest shall ... shall pour out all the blood thereof at the bottom of the altar." Leviticus 4:30

And the priest shall take of the blood of the sin offering with his finger, and put [it] upon the horns of the altar of burnt offering, and shall pour out all the blood thereof at the bottom of the altar: Leviticus 4:34

And he shall sprinkle of the blood of the sin offering upon the side of the altar; and the rest of the blood shall be wrung out at the bottom of the altar: it [is] a sin offering. Leviticus 5:9

And he slew [it]; and Moses took the blood, and put [it] upon the horns of the altar round about with his finger, and purified the altar, and poured the blood at the bottom of the altar, and sanctified it, to make reconciliation upon it. Leviticus 8:15

And the sons of Aaron brought the blood unto him: and he dipped his finger in the blood, and put [it] upon the horns of the altar, and poured out the blood at the bottom of the altar: Leviticus 9:9​

That Altar of Burnt Offering, in which the Blood was poured out at the base, upon the earth, was in the Courtyard, which represents the Earth, where Christ Jesus died. See Exo. 40:29, etc.

Therefore, the symbolism is pointing to the reality of Earthly events, not Heaven ones.

The Souls under The Altar cannot be understood, unless the structure, timing, language, types and symbols of the Scriptures be understood. The Altar deals with the portion of the Sanctuary and the service of the Great High Priest, Jesus Christ. The timing of the events listed in the 5th seal, are two fold, namely there are two groups mentioned. One group that has already died/martyred in the past, during the 1,260, and one group yet future to be so, coming soon. The second group is picked up in Revelation 20:4, as those "beheaded", and this prophecy event has yet to occur. The language itself also needs to be carefully considered, for there are similar passages in scripture.

The 5th Church, 5th Seal and 5th Trumpets are unique in their scope, as they are backward and forward looking from their point. They are connectors from the transition of the 4th and 6th of those things.

And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: Revelation 6:9

And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and [I saw] the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received [his] mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. Revelation 20:4​

See also Revelation 6:10-11 for context between the two verses.

In the first text we see that there were those "slain for":

[A1] "the word of God"
[B1] "the testimony [G3141] which they held"​

In the second text we see that there will be those "beheaded for":
[B2] "the witness ["testimony" G3141] of Jesus"​
[A2] "the word of God"​

In Revelation 6:

And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: Revelation 6:9

And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth? Revelation 6:10

And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled. Revelation 6:11​

We are dealing with symbols, as we have been in the previous 4 seals Revelation 6:1-8. We are not looking at literal people stuck under a giant sanctuary fixture somewhere.

We see these "crying" out, we must understand this, that their martyred selves, by their shed blood upon the earth cries out for Justice, even as Abel's was spilled to the ground:

And he said, What hast thou done? the voice of thy brother's blood crieth unto me from the ground. Genesis 4:10

And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel. Hebrews 12:24

That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar. Matthew 23:35

From the blood of Abel unto the blood of Zacharias, which perished between the altar and the temple: verily I say unto you, It shall be required of this generation. Luke 11:51​

Other things also "cry out" in scripture, but are not actually alive:

For the stone shall cry out of the wall, and the beam out of the timber shall answer it. Habakkuk 2:11

And he answered and said unto them, I tell you that, if these should hold their peace, the stones would immediately cry out. Luke 19:40​

Other things also "cry out":

My soul longeth, yea, even fainteth for the courts of the LORD: my heart and my flesh crieth out for the living God. Psalms 84:2​

Now notice that these are dead, and that they, by their shed blood, in which was the Life - John 15:13, see also Genesis 9:4; Leviticus 17:11,14; Deuteronomy 12:23;, etc, are symbolically crying out for justice, even as Abels Blood shed from the foundation of the world, and they should "rest" [sleep of death in the grave] a little season longer "until" something was to happen... and that something is the slaying of the rest of the martyrs in the end, and will be vindicated in the Resurrection.

Rest/Sleep:

[sleep, asleep, sleepeth] Deuteronomy 31:16; 2 Samuel 7:12; Job 3:13, 7:21, 14:12; 1 Kings 1:21, 2:10, 11:21,43, 14:20,31, 15:8,24, 16:6,28, 22:40,50; 2 Kings 8:24, 10:35, 13:9,13, 14:16,22,29, 15:7,22,38, 16:20, 20:21, 21:18, 24:6; 2 Chronicles 9:31, 12:16, 14:1, 16:13, 21:1, 26:2,23, 27:9, 28:27, 32:33, 33:20; Job 14:12; Psalms 13:3; Matthew 27:52; John 11:11-13; Acts 7:60, 13:36; 1 Corinthians 15:6,18,20,51; 1 Thessalonians 4:13-15; 2 Peter 3:4; [awake] Job 14:12; Psalms 17:15; Isaiah 26:19; Daniel 12:2; John 11:11-13; [grave/bed] Job 17:13; Psalms 139:8; Luke 17:34; [fathers and prophets are dead] John 6:49,58, 8:52,53; Acts 2:29,34, 13:36; Hebrews 11:4,13,16,40​

Do they have crowns yet according to the Symbolism and Prophecy? No.

Notice also the question, "How long..." must they wait so? and a simple search will yield many answers in the OT/NT about this:

If I wait, the grave is mine house: I have made my bed in the darkness. Job 17:13

If a man die, shall he live again? all the days of my appointed time will I wait, till my change come. Job 14:14​

When will God avenge them? Not until the other group of Martyrs comes, and them God will avenge both groups together, in the 7 last plagues -

"...rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled." Revelation 6:11​

For they have shed the blood of saints and prophets, and thou hast given them blood to drink; for they are worthy. Revelation 16:6​

After those things, comes Jesus, and the Resurrection to awaken the saints from the dust of the earth where they were asleep and waiting, knowing nothing. See 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18.

What good is the death of Christ Jesus, the great loving sacrifice to pay the penalty, and to die, that we might have eternal life, if we already had it anyway?

Waste of time, waste of blood.

What good is the resurrection if those which die in Jesus are already in Heaven enjoying it?

Psa_115:17 The dead praise not the LORD, neither any that go down into silence.​

Btw, how do you enjoy something as real as heaven, with real beings, and a real God, without appendages, a mind, eyes, ears, etc?

Please describe this body-less nothingness, in terms we may all understand, what do we smell with, taste with, feel with, hear with, see with with, think with, sit with, and so on?
 

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... Angels are spirits. Heb 1:13 But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?

Heb 1:14 Are they not all ministering SPIRITS sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?

Spirits have no bodies to bury in the ground, so hell cant be the grave. ...
That is not what scripture says and is actually spiritualism (satanic). The Father is not a perfume, not an aethereal essence pervading the universe.

Mat_6:9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.

Mat_16:17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

Luk_11:2 And he said unto them, When ye pray, say, Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so in earth.​

He, the Father, is a "Person", even His person (Job 13:8; Hebrews 1:3), of which Jesus (the Son) is the "express image" of.

As for the rest, see "His person" (Job 13:8); "form of God" (Philippians 2:6), "shape" (John 5:37), "image" (Genesis 1:26,27; Hebrews 1:3), "likeness" (Genesis 1:26,27), "being" (Acts 17:28), has a very real movable "Throne" on which He sits (Daniel 7:9-10; Revelation 4-5, &c), has "the hair of his head like the pure wool" (Daniel 7:9), "whose garment was white as snow" (Daniel 7:9), has a "right hand" (Revelation 5:1; Acts 7:55-56), able to be looked upon, "to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone" (Revelation 4:2), having His own "nature" (Galatians 4:8).

God has hairs on His head, Daniel 7:9; and has hands, Exodus 33:22; and has feet, Exodus 24:10; and loins [H4975; waist to upper thighs, see 1 Kings 18:46, etc], Ezekiel 1:27; a face, Matthew 18:10; a heart, Genesis 6:6; parts, Exodus 22:32; a form, Philippians 2:6; shape, John 5:37; is a Person, Hebrews 1:3; is a Soul, Jeremiah 5:9; and is a Spirit, thus has a mind, Matthew 12:28.

See also "back parts" (Exodus 33:23), and even a "divine nature" (2 Peter 1:4), see also "under his feet" (Exodus 24:10).

The angels are also called 'spirits' and "persons" ("fellows"; Hebrews 1:9), "young man" (Mark 16:5; Daniel 9:21; &c), and yet have real celestial (Heavenly) "bodies" with unfallen angelic "flesh" (1 Corinthians 15:35-58; Jude 1:7, Genesis 17-19, &c) an unfallen heavenly "nature" (Hebrews 2:16), where as we have bodies terrestrial (dust).
 

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... Angels are spirits. Heb 1:13 But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?

Heb 1:14 Are they not all ministering SPIRITS sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?

Spirits have no bodies to bury in the ground, so hell cant be the grave. ...
That is not what scripture says and is actually spiritualism (satanic).

The Angels of Heaven [from Genesis to Revelation, while some things are symbolic, context determines] are always depicted as have the:

similitude of the sons of men” [Daniel 10:16],

the likeness of a man” [Daniel 10:16],

like the appearance of a man” [Daniel 10:18],

looking like “men” [Genesis 18:2],

having that like the “hands of a man” [Ezekiel 1:8, 10:21],

a “hand” [Ezekiel 2:9; Daniel 10:10],

fingers of a man's hand” [Daniel 5:5],

bear thee up in [their] hands” [Psalms 91:12] or “hands they shall bear thee up” [Matthew 4:6],

touched” [Daniel 8:18, 9:21],

the face of a man” [Ezekiel 1:10, 10:14, 41:19],

fell … on their faces” [Revelation 7:11],

countenance was like lightning” [Matthew 28:3],

their appearance [was] like burning coals of fire, [and] like the appearance of lamps” [Ezekiel 1:13],

young man” [Mark 16:5],

and man-kind are “made ... a little lower than the angels” [Psalms 8:5],

bodies” [Ezekiel 1:11,23; 1 Corinthians 15:40],

feet” [and legs] [Genesis 18:4, 19:2; Exodus 24:10; 2 Samuel 22:10; Psalms 18:9; Isaiah 6:2; Lamentations 3:34; Ezekiel 1:7; Daniel 10:6; Habakkuk 3:5; Zechariah 14:4; Revelation 1:5, 2:18, 10:1, 19:10, 22:8],

sole of their feet” [Ezekiel 1:7],

eyes” [Deuteronomy 11:12, 13:18; 2 Chronicles 16:9; Job 34:21; Psalms 11:4; Ezekiel 1:18, 10:12; Daniel 10:6; Hebrews 4:13; Revelation 1:14, 2:18, 4:6,8, 5:6, 19:12],

do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven” [Matthew 18:10],

breasts” [ie, upper chest/torso] [Revelation 15:6],

voices” [Revelation 4:5, 8:5, 10:3-4, 11:15,19, 16:18],

the voice of many angels round about the throne” [Revelation 5:11],

sang together” [Job 38:7],

shouted for joy” [Job 38:7],

that “talked” [Zechariah 5:5],

able to “Hail” [Luke 1:28],

and have “wings” [Exodus 25:20, 37:9; 2 Samuel 22:11; 1 Kings 6:27, 8:6-7; 1 Chronicles 28:18; 2 Chronicles 3:11,13, 5:7-8; Psalms 18:10, 104:3; Isaiah 6:2; Ezekiel 1:6,8-9,11,23-25, 3:13, 10:8,12,16,19,21, 11:22; Revelation 4:8],

fly swiftly” [Daniel 9:21],

and being able to carry a “sword” [Genesis 3:24; Numbers 22:31; Joshua 5:13; 1 Chronicles 21:16],

or having “a slaughter weapon in his hand” [Ezekiel 9:2],

able to “smote” [2 Kings 19:35],

and “cut off” [2 Chronicles 32:21],

and “fought” [Revelation 12:7],

make “war” [Revelation 12:7, see also 2 Kings 6:16-17],

encampeth round about them that fear him, and delivereth them” [Psalms 34:7],

an hedge” [Job 1:10],

they are strong, “that excel in strength” [Psalms 103:20],

strengthening” [Luke 22:43],

able to do, “that do his commandments” [Psalms 103:20],

listening, “hearkening unto the voice of his word” [Psalms 103:20],

or carrying a “writer's ink horn by his side” [Ezekiel 9:2],

have “food” [Psalms 78:25],

can be “entertained” [Hebrews 13:2],

and “harps” [Revelation 5:8],

live coal” [Isaiah 6:6],

tongs” [Isaiah 6:6],

vials” [Revelation 5:8, 15:7, 16:1, 17:1, 21:9],

golden censer” [Revelation 8:3],

golden reed” [Revelation 21:5],

wearing “golden girdles” [Revelation 15:6],

having “incense” [Revelation 8:3],

trumpet/s” [Exodus 19:13,16,19, 20:18; Psalms 47:5, 150:3; Zechariah 9:14; Matthew 24:31; 1 Corinthians 15:52; Hebrews 12:19; Revelation 8:2,6,13, 9:14 [consider also in the context of Jesus' voice; 1 Thessalonians 4:16; Revelation 1:10, 4:1]],

sickle” [Revelation 14:14-19],

and even a “book” [scroll] [Exodus 32:32-33; Psalms 69:28, 139:16; Ezekiel 2:9; Daniel 12:1; Malachi 3:16; Philippians 4:3; Revelation 3:5, 5:1-5, 7-9, 10:2,8-10, 13:8, 17:8, 20:12,15, 21:27],

and are able to “speak” [“said”] [Ezekiel 2:1; Acts 5:19-20] [devils/angels throughout, examples; Genesis 18 and 19; Matthew 4:1-11, 8:29; Mark 3:11; Luke 4:1-13, etc.],

devils and Satan “speaketh a lie” [John 8:44],

tongues … of angels” [1 Corinthians 13:31],

Paul having heard “unspeakable words” [2 Corinthians 12:4],

sat” [Judges 6:11; Matthew 28:2],

and are found “sitting” [John 20:12],

being able to “stand” [1 Chronicles 21:16; Luke 1:19; Revelation 10:5],

and “stood” [Ezekiel 9:2; Acts 1:10],

and “all the angels stood round about the throne” [Revelation 7:11],

seen “standing” [Numbers 22:31],

able to “touched” [1 Kings 19:5,7],

held “the staff that [was] in his hand” [Judges 6:21],

ministers” [Psalms 103:21],

minister[ed]” [Matthew 4:11; Hebrews 1:14, 8:2],

found “ministering” [Psalms 104:4; Hebrews 1:7],

clothed with linen” [Ezekiel 9:2,3,11, 10:2,6,7; Daniel 10:5],

stood by them in white apparel” [Acts 1:10],

clothed in a long white garment” [Mark 16:5],

clothed in white raiment” [Revelation 4:4],

in white sitting” [John 20:12],

the “four and twenty elders” having “on their heads crowns of gold” [Revelation 4:4],

or even “clothed in pure and white linen, and having their breasts girded with golden girdles” [Revelation 15:6],

and they “worship” [Exodus 34:14; Matthew 4:10; Luke 4:8; John 4:24; Hebrews 1:6; Revelation 4:10, 19:10],

being able to both bow, kneel and fall before the LORD, “fell before the Throne on their faces, and worhsipped God” [Revelation 7:11],

present themselves before the Lord” [Job 1:6, 2:1],

being able to “Bless the LORD” [Psalms 103:20-22],

praise” [Psalms 148:2],

and even pray and cry aloud with their mouths, “HOLY, HOLY, HOLY” [Isaiah 6:3; Revelation 4:8].
 

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... Angels are spirits. Heb 1:13 But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?

Heb 1:14 Are they not all ministering SPIRITS sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?

Spirits have no bodies to bury in the ground, so hell cant be the grave. ...
That is not what scripture says and is actually spiritualism (satanic).

God created the Angels as glorious beings, and they do have bodies, as Paul would say, “Celestial bodies”, for “God giveth it a body as it hath pleased Him”. Just as Jesus now eternally has a “Glorious Body” [Philippians 3:21].

Lucifer/[now satan] was the very “anointed cherub that coverth” [Ezekiel 28:14] and stood directly by the very Throne of God in Heaven [just as the imitation ones, being patterned after the heavenly ones on either side of the Mercy Seat of the Ark of the Covenant on earth] and God had dressed him [Lucifer] in precious stones and metals, “every precious stone [was] thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created” [Ezekiel 28:13] and Lucifer had once “walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire” in the “Eden the garden of God”, upon “the holy mountain of God”, being “Mount Zion” of Heaven, which “cannot be removed, [but] abideth forever”.

Satan will be brought to “ashes” [Ezekiel 28:18; Malachi 4:3, see also the sanctuary; Psalms 73:17, 77:13] and “All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never [shalt] thou [be] any more.” [Ezekiel 28:19] and “The merchants among the people shall hiss at thee; thou shalt be a terror, and never [shalt be] any more.” [Ezekiel 27:36]

The angels, like the Cherubim and Seraphim, the shining ones, are “ministering spirits” [Hebrews 1:14], called a “flaming fire” [Psalms 104:4], and “ministers a flame of fire” [Hebrews 1:7], and their “countenances” are “like lightning”, as “burning coals of fire”, and “burning lamps”, and wearing “white raiment” which are very “bright”. Even Satan can transform himself into an “angel of light” [2 Corinthians 11:14]. Does this mean that angels have no substance, no body and are merely wispy aether? Not at all. The bodies they have, are “celestial” [1 Corinthians 15:40], and those which are good, are led by the Spirit, and are thus spiritual bodies [1 Corinthians 15:44], being in subjection to God, and are not subject to death [yet the wicked angels will be soon]. Even we, as Christians, are to be “ministering spirits” also:

Hebrews 12:23 - To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,​

The Son is also a "person" (Hebrews 1:3; 2 Corinthians 2:10; Matthew 27:24; Deuteronomy 27:25; &c).

So is the Holy Ghost (John 14:16; &c)

Mankind are also called 'spirits' (1 Peter 3:19; Hebrews 12:23) and yet are real tangible beings, with bodies (made of dust).

Philippians 2:6; Daniel 3:25; Genesis 18:4, 19:2; Exodus 24:10-11; Psalms 18:9; John 5:37; Exodus 33:23,20,22; Daniel 7:9-10,13; Ezekiel 1:1,8,26-28; Acts 7:55-56; Psalms 24:1-10; John 20:17; 1 Peter 3:22; Matthew 18:10; Revelation 1:13-20, 2:1, 4:1-11, 5:1-14; Hebrews 1:13; Colossians 1:3-6; Numbers 12:8; Isaiah 45:23, 48:3; Revelation 3:16; Psalms 89:34; Psalms 104:33, 146:2; Acts 17:28;
 

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Paul says that we, Christians, are not looking to be “unclothed” [2 Corinthians 5:4], but rather, “to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven” [2 Corinthians 5:2], “so be that being clothed we shall not be found naked” [2 Corinthians 5:3; nakedness here is the sleep of death, the doing and knowing nothing of the grave; Ecclesiastes 9:5,6,10, etc.], being “clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life” [2 Corinthians 5:4], that “mortal” shall put on, and be swallowed up of, “immortality” [1 Corinthians 15:53,54].

Jesus' own body in His resurrection is a real glorified body, in which He participated in eating, speaking, touching, etc., and is the very same body that he ascended up into Heaven with, not faded into the aether nor dematerialized into vaporous nothing.

The “stone” [Matthew 28:2; Mark 16:3,4; Luke 24:2; John 20:1] upon the tomb had to be rolled back by Gabriel, to let Jesus free. Jesus did not phase through it, He got up and walked out of the opening [Matthew 28:1-7; Mark 16:1-8; Luke 24;1-9; John 20:1-13]. Additionally, in Jesus' death there was an earthquake [Matthew 27:51] which “opened” [Matthew 27:52] many of the tombs of the martyred saints around Jerusalem, so that those martyred saints therein, could come “out” [Matthew 27:53] in their resurrection when Jesus was resurrected [1 Corinthians 15:20,23]. They did not phase through them either.

The disciples were able to hold onto Jesus' glorified flesh, when they held Him by the feet [Matthew 28:9; John 20:17], and He drew near to two on the road to Emmaus, and walked and talked with them [Mark 16:12; Luke 24:15], and entered their house, sat down and broke bread with them [Luke 24:30,35]. Jesus verily “vanished out of their sight” [Luke 24:32], but please notice, it does not say he *poofed* into nothing. To “vanish out of … sight” is simply to be “invisible”, not incorporeal, as a mythological and paganistic 'shade'. They got up and left to go back to Jerusalem, and Jesus was with them the whole time, unseen. Jesus did not phase through a wall, nor a locked door, that first day [John 20:19], nor a week later [John 20:26]. He simply entered with them [Luke 24:32-36], and was “invisible” until He revealed Himself, even as He had been with the two earlier on the road to Emmaus and they did not recognize Him, until He showed Himself to them at their house.

Jesus asks them to “handle” [Luke 24:38; Ephesians 5:30] Him, having “flesh and bones”, “hands and feet” [Luke 24:39,40], and He eats with the disciples [Luke 24:41-43]. Jesus even asks Thomas to put his finger and hand into the very wounds that Jesus still had [John 20:27]. He also shewed Himself at the sea of Tiberias [John 21:1-25], and also

Jesus later ascends [Mark 16:19; Luke 24:51; John 20:17; Acts 1:2-11; Ephesians 4:8-10; Revelation 12:5; Psalms 24:1-10] into Heaven with the “same” [Acts 1:11] glorified body, even the “form” [Daniel 3:25; Philippians 2:6, etc & Exodus 33:23] thereof. This same body, and all its descriptive parts, is seen in Heaven in Revelation 1:13-16, 2:1,18, having the glory He had before coming in humanity [John 17:5]. He went to “prepare a place” [John 14:2,3], a very real place, for those who believe unto the end.

That Heavenly city, having precious foundations, whose builder and make is God [Hebrews 11:10], is real and will come down from Heaven above, and is filled with all manner of beauty and creation, “cherubim and seraphim, “elders”, “creatures”, stones, gold, pearls, eternal gates. We will have “crowns”, “palms”, “harps” and “white raiment”, being able to drink from the “river of water of life”, and to eat from “the tree of life” in the middle of the garden of the Heavenly Eden. There is the true Temple and true Ark of God, and His Ten Commandments. The Father Himself [and Son] rules from a very real “throne”, and a description of Him may be seen in Daniel 7:9; Matthew 10:18; Revelation 4, etc.

Satan has attempted to etherealize and vaporize the reward of God and Heaven into non-things, gaseous clouds of non-entity, incorporeal vanity, and he has highly succeeded in this, but only because God's people reject knowledge sent from God [Hosea 4:6].
 

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Luk 16:22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;

Luk 16:23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.

Luk 16:24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.

Luk 16:25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.

Luk 16:26 And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would comefrom thence.

The above is not a parable. ...
Some have stated that this passage cannot possibly be a 'parable' for several 'reasons':

[1] The passage does not immediately, in the passage, say it is a 'parable' as all of Jesus' other 'parables' do and therefore 'it is NOT a parable!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1!!!' (yes, there are those who really do express it this way).

Is [1] a true assessment from scripture, or not? Let's find out.

Consider:

Luke 15:8 Either what woman having ten pieces of silver, if she lose one piece, doth not light a candle, and sweep the house, and seek diligently till she find it?
Luke 15:9 And when she hath found it, she calleth her friends and her neighbours together, saying, Rejoice with me; for I have found the piece which I had lost.
Luke 15:10 Likewise, I say unto you, there is joy in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner that repenteth.​

Is this (Luke 15:8-10) a 'parable' according to the same standard as [1] suggests, or is there a double standard, even a non-scriptural standard being applied to Luke 16:19-31?

Are there any 'en-acted' parables in the OT, NT?

Ezekiel 4:1-15. Enacted Parable?

Judges 9:7-15. Parable?

Judges 14:14. Parable?

2 Samuel 12:1-7. Parable?

2 Samuel 14:1-12. Parable?

Job. Any Parables therein?

Isaiah 5:1-6. Parable?

Jeremiah 1:11. Parable?

Jeremiah 1:13. Parable?

Matthew 5:13-16. Parable?

Matthew 9:15-17. Parable?

Matthew 18:21-35. Parable?

Matthew 20:1-16. Parable?

Matthew 21:28-32. Parable?

Matthew 25:1-13. Parable?

Matthew 25:14-30. Parable?

Mark 2:18-22. Parable?

Mark 3:27. Parable?

Mark 4:26-29. Parable?

Mark 7:14-16. Parable?

Mark 8:15. Parable?

Mark 8:34-48. Parable?

Luke 7:40-42. Parable?

Luke 8:16-18. Parable?

Luke 10:25-37. Parable?

Luke 14:16-24. Parable?

Luke 14:25-33. Parable?

Luke 14:34-35. Parable?

Luke 15:11-32. Parable?

Luke 16:1-13. Parable?

John 16:21. Parable?
 

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Luk 16:22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;

Luk 16:23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.

Luk 16:24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.

Luk 16:25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.

Luk 16:26 And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would comefrom thence.

The above is not a parable. ...
"Rich Man and Lazarus" of Luke 16, comes in a series of Parables after a small discourse to great multitudes really beginning in Luke 14:25

And there went great multitudes with him: and he turned, and said unto them, Luke 14:25​

...and also in Luke 15:1-2, to tax collectors, sinners who surrounded Him and to Pharisees and Scribes who were complaining...

Then drew near unto him all the publicans and sinners for to hear him. Luke 15:1

And the Pharisees and scribes murmured, saying, This man receiveth sinners, and eateth with them. Luke 15:2​

...and as Jesus heard the Pharisees and Scribes complaining and so HE speaks unto them in parables beginning in Luke 15:3

And he spake this parable unto them, saying, Luke 15:3​

...and continues with the Parable of the

"man with the 100 Sheep who had one lost" from Luke 15:4-7,

and then begins another Parable in Luke 15:8-10 about the

"Woman who Lost a Coin" Luke 15:11

[though Jesus is still speaking in Parables, in both instances in the scriptures it does not specifically say that the words to come after verses 8 or 11 were Parable, but yet that is because the scripture had already made clear that this was what Jesus was doing from verse 3]

And he said, A certain man had two sons: Luke 15:11​

...which then begins the Parable from Luke 15:11-32 about the

"Man who had Two Sons" [Prodigal Sons Parable].

Jesus then turns to His disciples and continues in Luke 16:1, with yet another parable, the parable of the "God and Mammon"

And he said also unto his disciples, There was a certain rich man, which had a steward; and the same was accused unto him that he had wasted his goods. Luke 16:1​

...and the word "also" joins the previous parables with this parable along with what further continues ["they heard all these things"]...now after that Mammon Parable, the Pharisees, being lovers of Money, broke into the series of Parables and derided Jesus in Luke 16:14

And the Pharisees also, who were covetous, heard all these things: and they derided him. Luke 16:14​

...but Jesus immediately counters their derision with what the Law says on the matter about Money and Divorce in Luke 16:15-18 and then drives home the point of their hypocrisy and double standard as well as their neglect of duty to being the Light to the Gentiles with the Parable of Luke 16:19-31 in the Parable of the "Rich Man And Lazarus"...

And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God. Luke 16:15​

Now that it is established that the "Rich Man and Lazarus" is indeed a Parable, let us look a little further at some scriptures to be even more and absolutely sure:

When Jesus spoke of these things to the Pharisees He said that He would speak to them in parable:


I will open my mouth in a parable: I will utter dark sayings of old: Psalm 78:2

And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all [these] things are done in parables: Mark 4:11

And he said, Unto you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God: but to others in parables; that seeing they might not see, and hearing they might not understand. Luke 8:10

And the Pharisees also, who were covetous, heard all these things: and they derided him. Luke 16:14

And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God. Luke 16:15​

...This Parable does not start with the words “the Kingdom of Heaven is like...” as it is about the failure of the Nation of Israel to be the Light of the world.

The parable is not giving us a specific picture of an aetheral place a person goes immediately after death [for first of all the Judgment must come first, God said that the Wheat and Tares grow together unto the end, then is the Harvest, and then are the Wheat gathered into the Barn and then only are the Tares thrown into the fire, which consumes them into smoke and ashes to be no more, which fire burns upon the whole surface of the earth, their body [made of dust] and whole being [breath plus dust] being cast into the fire all together, at the same time, to be destroyed, perished, not be any more]
 

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Luk 16:22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;

Luk 16:23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.

Luk 16:24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.

Luk 16:25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.

Luk 16:26 And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would comefrom thence.

The above is not a parable.

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You say it is not a "parable", and yet you say:

... Hell is a place that Jesus said was originally created for satan and his fallen angels. And the damned are cast into that same place of everlasting fire.

Mat 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

Angels are spirits. Heb 1:13 But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?

Heb 1:14 Are they not all ministering SPIRITS sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?

Spirits have no bodies to bury in the ground, so hell cant be the grave. ...
Thus you equate angels with the deceased, in that you teach that both are without "bodies".

Now, you said that the text of Luke 16:19-31 is "not a parable". Now how do you explain the following in the text, then, since you say that the deceased (and also angels) have no bodies (what are the angels carrying with?)?

"carried by the angels", "Abraham's bosom" (vs 22)

"in hell lift up his eyes", "seeth", "Abraham ... bosom" (vs 23)

"he cried and said" [which requires a mouth, throat, vocal chords, air, lungs, tongue, brain, etc], "tip of his finger", "water", "cool my tongue" (vs 24)​

Those are all body parts. They require flesh and bones. They require air and water ("cool"). There is also "water" which requires hydrogen and oxygen. There is also "fire" which requires material (substance) to burn and oxygen to stay ignited.

So, do you see your own contradiction in your own post? Or are you going to change your mind, and acknowledge that it is a parable?
 

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In Thessalonians 4, Jesus comes to raise the dead bodies of the saints and reunite them with the souls He brings with Him from heaven.

Yes, when He returns for those bodies to raise from the dead, He at the same time brings the saints WITH HIM from heaven.

1Th 4:13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.

1Th 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God BRING WITH HIM.

1Th 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the DEAD in Christ shall RISE first:

1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Soul sleep is not correct doctrine.
Did you reads the words "sleep" and in contrast to those which "are alive"?

Did you read the words "we which are alive" in context with the words "shall not prevent them which are asleep"? I highlighted it for you.

In other words, the persons sleeping in the grave, do not get to be "with the Lord", neither in Heaven (where the Lord came from, vs 16), until after the resurrection, and it is after that moment, that "shall we ever be with the Lord". Not a moment before.

The "bring with" is in that context. Which is why I highlighted all the places for you, and connected it to Job for you also. It is that God the Father is going to "bring with" Jesus, both the resurrected and the translated, back to Heaven, see John 14:1-4, etc. You still cannot read correctly. The text nowhere says, neither does it indicate, that God the Father brings with Jesus 'deceased immortal souls' from heaven back to earth to obtain earthly glorified bodies. What were they enjoying/experiencing heaven with and how in your theology, and if they were already enjoying/experiencing it in a condition you imagine, what the need for bodies? Wouldn't it have been better for God to just slay all the righteous and they would have instantly transported to your 'heaven' in your theology, and all the wicked and they would have instantly transported to your 'hell' in your theology?

It's even in the words of Jesus, just before Luke 16. See Luke 14.

In Luke 14:1:

And it came to pass, as he went into the house of one of the chief Pharisees to eat bread on the sabbath day, that they watched him. Luke 14:1​

Whose house does the text say that Jesus went into to "eat bread" and on what day was this done and were there any others present besides the owner of the house?

According to the text, I read that "he" [Jesus] "went into the house of one of the chief Pharisees" to "eat bread" "on the sabbath day" and there were also "they" which "watched" "him" [Jesus].

Was the multitude in the house of the chief Pharisees with Jesus as they ate bread on the sabbdath day? "No."

Who then is this "they" that were with Jesus and the chief Pharisee in his house? If you will allow me, I would like to cite the next six texts of Luke 14:2-7:

And, behold, there was a certain man before him which had the dropsy. Luke 14:2

And Jesus answering spake unto the lawyers and Pharisees, saying, Is it lawful to heal on the sabbath day? Luke 14:3

And they held their peace. And he took him, and healed him, and let him go; Luke 14:4

And answered them, saying, Which of you shall have an ass or an ox fallen into a pit, and will not straightway pull him out on the sabbath day? Luke 14:5

And they could not answer him again to these things. Luke 14:6

And he put forth a parable to those which were bidden, when he marked how they chose out the chief rooms; saying unto them, Luke 14:7​

According to the text, I read, that there were the following people present in the house of the Chief Pharisee on the sabbath day:

[1] "The Chief Pharisee", since it was his house and his meal

[2]
"Jesus"

[3] "a certain man...which had the dropsy..." being "him" who was "healed" by "Jesus"

[4] "they" which would include 2 specific groups of "those that were bidden" to the meal:

[4a] "the lawyers"

[4b] "Pharisees"

According to the text, I read, that Jesus, after healing the man with the dropsy on the sabbath day, in the house of the chief Pharisee, being also before/in front of the other lawyers and pharisees that were also bidden, spoke "a parable" [singular] unto the pharisees and lawyers present in the house.

The "parable" [singular] is given to "those" which "were bidden" because of how "Jesus" had seen that "they" when comming in to sit down to eat, "chose out the chief rooms [protoklisias "first class"; places at table]" , is then seen in the next few verses, Luke 14:8-11

When thou art bidden of any man to a wedding, sit not down in the highest room; lest a more honourable man than thou be bidden of him; Luke 14:8

And he that bade thee and him come and say to thee, Give this man place; and thou begin with shame to take the lowest room. Luke 14:9

But when thou art bidden, go and sit down in the lowest room; that when he that bade thee cometh, he may say unto thee, Friend, go up higher: then shalt thou have worship in the presence of them that sit at meat with thee. Luke 14:10​

For whosoever exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted. Luke 14:11​
 

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Jesus then turns from speaking to "they" that "were bidden" to the Chief Pharisees' house and continues by speaking directly to the Chief Pharisee, whose house it was, and this is seen in the next three verses, Luke 14:12-14:

Then said he also to him that bade him, When thou makest a dinner or a supper, call not thy friends, nor thy brethren, neither thy kinsmen, nor thy rich neighbours; lest they also bid thee again, and a recompence be made thee. Luke 14:12

But when thou makest a feast, call the poor, the maimed, the lame, the blind: Luke 14:13

And thou shalt be blessed; for they cannot recompense thee: for thou shalt be recompensed at the resurrection of the just. Luke 14:14​

When will such be "recompensed" according to Jesus? At ones death or "at" "the resurrection of the just"?

According to the text, I read, that such a person as Jesus speaks of would be "recompensed" "at" "the resurrection of the just".

Is this a proper and correct assessment of the texts given so far brother? What do you think of the "recompensed" and timing thereof, in regards to where we are headed in Luke 16? Please let me know.

Then after Jesus spake those things to the Chief Pharisee, another at the table which heard those things, speaks to Jesus in Luke 14:15:

And when one of them that sat at meat with him heard these things, he said unto him, Blessed is he that shall eat bread in the kingdom of God. Luke 14:15

To which then "Jesus" replies to this "one of them" who was "bidden" in Luke 14:16-24:

Then said he unto him, A certain man made a great supper, and bade many: Luke 14:16

And sent his servant at supper time to say to them that were bidden, Come; for all things are now ready. Luke 14:17

And they all with one consent began to make excuse. The first said unto him, I have bought a piece of ground, and I must needs go and see it: I pray thee have me excused. Luke 14:18

And another said, I have bought five yoke of oxen, and I go to prove them: I pray thee have me excused. Luke 14:19

And another said, I have married a wife, and therefore I cannot come. Luke 14:20

So that servant came, and shewed his lord these things. Then the master of the house being angry said to his servant, Go out quickly into the streets and lanes of the city, and bring in hither the poor, and the maimed, and the halt, and the blind. Luke 14:21

And the servant said, Lord, it is done as thou hast commanded, and yet there is room. Luke 14:22

And the lord said unto the servant, Go out into the highways and hedges, and compel them to come in, that my house may be filled. Luke 14:23

For I say unto you, That none of those men which were bidden shall taste of my supper. Luke 14:24​

I would like to ask you brother, are the passages in Luke 14:16-24 a parable? If it is not a parable, what then is it? Please let me know.
 

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... He expected to be absent from his body, and to be present with the Lord, right then, not later on after taking a dirt nap first. ...
When are people "present with the Lord"? It is after their resurrection:

The Martyrdom of Stephen; the Texts Acts 7:51-60, 8:1-2, 11:19, 22:20

Act 7:54 When they heard these things, they were cut to the heart, and they gnashed on him with their teeth.
Act 7:55 But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God,
Act 7:56 And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.
Act 7:57 Then they cried out with a loud voice, and stopped their ears, and ran upon him with one accord,
Act 7:58 And cast him out of the city, and stoned him: and the witnesses laid down their clothes at a young man's feet, whose name was Saul.
Act 7:59 And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.
Act 7:60 And he kneeled down, and cried with a loud voice, Lord, lay not this sin to their charge. And when he had said this, he fell asleep.​

Stephen cried out unto God, with his 'last breath' ["my spirit"; see also Luke 23:46; etc.] and then "he fell asleep", as all of scripture reveals happens to those who die.

God just took back the breath that He allowed Stephen (dust) to borrow:

Isa_42:5 Thus saith God the LORD, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein:

Act_17:25 Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things;

Psa 90:3 Thou turnest man to destruction; and sayest, Return, ye children of men.

Job 34:14 If he set his heart upon man, if he gather unto himself his spirit and his breath;

Job 34:15 All flesh shall perish together, and man shall turn again unto dust.​

They then took "Stephen" and buried "him":

Act 8:2 And devout men carried Stephen to his burial, and made great lamentation over him.​

Are they rejoicing that Stephen went straight to Heaven? No. They greatly mourn over his death, and had to bury "Stephen".

Act_11:19 Now they which were scattered abroad upon the persecution that arose about Stephen travelled as far as Phenice, and Cyprus, and Antioch, preaching the word to none but unto the Jews only.

Act_22:20 And when the blood of thy martyr Stephen was shed, I also was standing by, and consenting unto his death, and kept the raiment of them that slew him.​

Now, let's see what Paul said, again, and what he taught about being "with the Lord" (2 Corinthians 5:8):

1Th 4:13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
1Th 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
1Th 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
1Th 4:18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.​

So, after the resurrection and at the second Advent of Jesus, then those in Christ Jesus, shall "ever" be "with the Lord" and not beforehand.
 

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When are people "present with the Lord"? It is after their resurrection:

The Martyrdom of Stephen; the Texts Acts 7:51-60, 8:1-2, 11:19, 22:20

Act 7:54 When they heard these things, they were cut to the heart, and they gnashed on him with their teeth.
Act 7:55 But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God,
Act 7:56 And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.
Act 7:57 Then they cried out with a loud voice, and stopped their ears, and ran upon him with one accord,
Act 7:58 And cast him out of the city, and stoned him: and the witnesses laid down their clothes at a young man's feet, whose name was Saul.
Act 7:59 And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.
Act 7:60 And he kneeled down, and cried with a loud voice, Lord, lay not this sin to their charge. And when he had said this, he fell asleep.​

Stephen cried out unto God, with his 'last breath' ["my spirit"; see also Luke 23:46; etc.] and then "he fell asleep", as all of scripture reveals happens to those who die.

God just took back the breath that He allowed Stephen (dust) to borrow:

Isa_42:5 Thus saith God the LORD, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein:

Act_17:25 Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things;

Psa 90:3 Thou turnest man to destruction; and sayest, Return, ye children of men.

Job 34:14 If he set his heart upon man, if he gather unto himself his spirit and his breath;

Job 34:15 All flesh shall perish together, and man shall turn again unto dust.​

They then took "Stephen" and buried "him":

Act 8:2 And devout men carried Stephen to his burial, and made great lamentation over him.​

Are they rejoicing that Stephen went straight to Heaven? No. They greatly mourn over his death, and had to bury "Stephen".

Act_11:19 Now they which were scattered abroad upon the persecution that arose about Stephen travelled as far as Phenice, and Cyprus, and Antioch, preaching the word to none but unto the Jews only.

Act_22:20 And when the blood of thy martyr Stephen was shed, I also was standing by, and consenting unto his death, and kept the raiment of them that slew him.​

Now, let's see what Paul said, again, and what he taught about being "with the Lord" (2 Corinthians 5:8):

1Th 4:13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
1Th 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
1Th 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
1Th 4:18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.​

So, after the resurrection and at the second Advent of Jesus, then those in Christ Jesus, shall "ever" be "with the Lord" and not beforehand.

Posting scripture about the fact that the dead body sleeps in the ground proves nada.

I’ve shown from scripture that our body is a home that we leave at death, that the soul leaves the body at death, and that hell isn't the grave because it was created for body less spirits called angels and Satan, and the angels already there are in chains, which means they are conscious, not sleeping, and I’ve shown that there are conscious beings under the earth.

And Moses died and his body is sleeping, but he appeared to Jesus at His transfiguration, because as Jesus said, Yahweh’s the god of the living, not of a bunch of dead saints taking a dirt nap.
 

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... Our body is a house that we make our home in, until we die, then we leave our body and go to be with Jesus, if we were believers.

Scripture further makes that clear that at salvation, the Holy Spirit comes into our house, the body, and changes it from just a house, into the TEMPLE of the Holy Spirit.

1Co 6:19 What? know ye not that your BODY is the TEMPLE of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?

It further makes it clear that our body is a house when Jesus gives an example of a demon possessed man, who had a demon cast out of him, but the demon went out and got more demons, and returned to the man, and found his HOUSE swept clean, and moved right back in and brought the other demons with him, so that man was worse off than he was before.

Mat 12:43 When the unclean spirit is gone OUT OF a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none.

Mat 12:44 Then he saith, I will return into my HOUSE from whence I came out; and when he is come, he findeth it empty, swept, and garnished.

Mat 12:45 Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they ENTER IN and DWELL there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first. ...
Yes, the Body is (or ought to be) the Temple of the Holy Ghost/Spirit. How? By the words of God. We are a "house" a "vessel" to be filled or lived in (by God or devils).

God in you, speaks about His words, and when you have the words of God in you, then He (as represented by His words) is in you. God, speaking about the Person/Being of the Father is physically in the 3rd Heaven, past the first two heavens (atmosphere and local Sol system).

Joh_14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

Joh_15:7 If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.

Joh_17:8 For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me.​

When we receive the words of God, which represent His heart towards us, we verily receive Him in the heart in that way. It is not as if God's physical form is in us, but His character, through His words that we received are in us. The Father gave to the Son words to speak to us. The Holy Spirit (the eternal representative from Heaven sent in Jesus' name), then takes the words that Jesus spake and shares them with us, by the reading of the word of God (Bible).

The Holy Spirit is in Jesus, true, see:

Joh_3:34 For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him.​

Yet, how? The "words" of the Father, Jesus has in His heart, by the Holy Spirit who brings to Jesus' mind the words of the Father, even from scripture.

Joh 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments. (see Exodus 20:6, the Ten Commandments is what Jesus is quoting from)

Joh_14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.​

Through keeping the "word" of God, His "commandments".

Most people have no idea what the scriptures teach on possession. They get their theology from Un(holywood) (whole-lie wood?). Devils do not physically invade the body. They are real tangible beings as already shown:

"The angels are also called 'spirits' and "persons" ("fellows"; Hebrews 1:9), "young man" (Mark 16:5; Daniel 9:21; &c), and yet have real celestial (Heavenly) "bodies" with unfallen angelic "flesh" (1 Corinthians 15:35-58; Jude 1:7, Genesis 17-19, &c) an unfallen heavenly "nature" (Hebrews 2:16), where as we have bodies terrestrial (dust)." - Special Resurrections - Cases in Scripture, of the past, and of one to come before the Great Ones


Evil angels take over the mind (will) through their mind (wills), their words of influence, and our submission to them, and once the control of the mind is gained, the body obeys that ruling thought. Thus multiple 'devils' can control a single mind, since once a single devil enters, he can bring others to control that same mind he chooses, by allowing others easier access to that mind. Think of it like a single hypnotist who gains control of a submitted mind, and then that hypnotist passes or shares that control with another, and another, etc.

What would all of this mean in regards possession? Well, since many have a “hollywood” mindset, rather than a scriptural [KJB] one, it will be briefly shown that it deals with “mind upon mind”, and control over the intellect and passions, which then controls the body:

Romans 6:16 - Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

John 13:2 - And supper being ended, the devil having now put into the heart of Judas Iscariot, Simon's son, to betray him;​
 

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... It further makes it clear that our body is a house when Jesus gives an example of a demon possessed man, who had a demon cast out of him, but the demon went out and got more demons, and returned to the man, and found his HOUSE swept clean, and moved right back in and brought the other demons with him, so that man was worse off than he was before. ...
Thus we see how the devils come in, or the Holy Ghost, by experiences (eyes/seeing) or words (hearing):

1 Corinthians 2:9 - But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.​

The serpent talked. See Genesis 3:1,3-4.

Genesis 3:1 - Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?

Genesis 3:4 - And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:

Genesis 3:5 - For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.​

But, the ass also talked. See Numbers 22:28-30; 2 Peter 2:16.

Numbers 22:28 - And the LORD opened the mouth of the ass, and she said unto Balaam, What have I done unto thee, that thou hast smitten me these three times?

Numbers 22:29 - And Balaam said unto the ass, Because thou hast mocked me: I would there were a sword in mine hand, for now would I kill thee.

Numbers 22:30 - And the ass said unto Balaam, Am not I thine ass, upon which thou hast ridden ever since I was thine unto this day? was I ever wont to do so unto thee? And he said, Nay.

2 Peter 2:16 - But was rebuked for his iniquity: the dumb ass speaking with man's voice forbad the madness of the prophet.​

These things are neutral “mediums”, or go betweens, even as the Television or the DVD disc, or the internet, are mediums. Therefore, we can see that the devil did not actually 'jump inside' of the serpent, and neither God, the donkey. It was a matter of controlling the mind/heart. Once the devil has control of the mind/heart, through the avenue of the senses, he can cause the person/creature to inflict damage upon themselves and give them unnatural strength:

1 Kings 18:28 - And they cried aloud, and cut themselves after their manner with knives and lancets, till the blood gushed out upon them.

Mark 5:2 - And when he was come out of the ship, immediately there met him out of the tombs a man with an unclean spirit,

Mark 5:3 - Who had his dwelling among the tombs; and no man could bind him, no, not with chains:

Mark 5:4 - Because that he had been often bound with fetters and chains, and the chains had been plucked asunder by him, and the fetters broken in pieces: neither could any man tame him.

Mark 5:5 - And always, night and day, he was in the mountains, and in the tombs, crying, and cutting himself with stones.​

The word “spirit” is directly connected to “mind” and “heart” all throughout the King James Bible:

Exodus 35:21 - And they came, every one whose heart stirred him up, and every one whom his spirit made willing, and they brought the LORD'S offering to the work of the tabernacle of the congregation, and for all his service, and for the holy garments.

Deuteronomy 2:30 - But Sihon king of Heshbon would not let us pass by him: for the LORD thy God hardened his spirit, and made his heart obstinate, that he might deliver him into thy hand, as appeareth this day.

Joshua 5:1 - And it came to pass, when all the kings of the Amorites, which were on the side of Jordan westward, and all the kings of the Canaanites, which were by the sea, heard that the LORD had dried up the waters of Jordan from before the children of Israel, until we were passed over, that their heart melted, neither was there spirit in them any more, because of the children of Israel.

Psalms 34:18 - The LORD is nigh unto them that are of a broken heart; and saveth such as be of a contrite spirit.

Psalms 51:10 - Create in me a clean heart, O God; and renew a right spirit within me.

Psalms 51:17 - The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit: a broken and a contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise.

Psalms 77:6 - I call to remembrance my song in the night: I commune with mine own heart: and my spirit made diligent search.

Psalms 78:8 - And might not be as their fathers, a stubborn and rebellious generation; a generation that set not their heart aright, and whose spirit was not stedfast with God.

Psalms 143:4 - Therefore is my spirit overwhelmed within me; my heart within me is desolate.

Proverbs 15:13 - A merry heart maketh a cheerful countenance: but by sorrow of the heart the spirit is broken.

Proverbs 17:22 - A merry heart doeth good like a medicine: but a broken spirit drieth the bones.

Ecclesiastes 1:17 - And I gave my heart to know wisdom, and to know madness and folly: I perceived that this also is vexation of spirit.

Isaiah 57:15 - For thus saith the high and lofty One that inhabiteth eternity, whose name is Holy; I dwell in the high and holy place, with him also that is of a contrite and humble spirit, to revive the spirit of the humble, and to revive the heart of the contrite ones.

Isaiah 65:14 - Behold, my servants shall sing for joy of heart, but ye shall cry for sorrow of heart, and shall howl for vexation of spirit.

Ezekiel 11:19 - And I will give them one heart, and I will put a new spirit within you; and I will take the stony heart out of their flesh, and will give them an heart of flesh:

Ezekiel 18:31 - Cast away from you all your transgressions, whereby ye have transgressed; and make you a new heart and a new spirit: for why will ye die, O house of Israel?

Ezekiel 21:17 - And it shall be, when they say unto thee, Wherefore sighest thou? that thou shalt answer, For the tidings; because it cometh: and every heart shall melt, and all hands shall be feeble, and every spirit shall faint, and all knees shall be weak as water: behold, it cometh, and shall be brought to pass, saith the Lord GOD.

Ezekiel 36:26 - A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

Mark 2:8 - And immediately when Jesus perceived in his spirit that they so reasoned within themselves, he said unto them, Why reason ye these things in your hearts?

Romans 2:29 - But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

Hebrews 4:12 - For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

1 Peter 3:4 - But let it be the hidden man of the heart, in that which is not corruptible, even the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price.​

And thus the “spirit” of man, the “heart” of man is connected with reasoning and thoughts, 1 Chronicles 28:9; Matthew 9:4; Luke 2:35, 5:22, 24:38; Romans 2:15 and so on. Therefore, possession by devils, deals with one [or more] mind/s invading the mind of another person, normally men (mankind). When they are “cast out”, their control of the mind is removed from over the other mind. Possession is like “hypnosis” [which is possession, and should never be done under any circumstances, for one mind is subjecting itself to another persons mind, which is sin, if it is not submitted to God], and when God undoes this, by breaking the hold and power of the controlling one, it removes the control of the other mind from over the one possessed, and it is thus it is removed, or “cast out”.
 

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... And Moses died and his body is sleeping, but he appeared to Jesus at His transfiguration, because as Jesus said, Yahweh’s the god of the living, not of a bunch of dead saints taking a dirt nap.
I provided the evidence before your post that Moses was already resurrected and taken to Heaven. Thus death reigned from Adam to Moses (Moses was the first one resurrected permanently (by Jesus) and taken up to Heaven).

"[01.] Moses by The Son of God (aka Jesus/Michael, the eternal uncreated and highest Angel (Messenger) of the LORD (Father) - Numbers 20:8-12, 27:13, 31:2; Deuteronomy 4:21-22, 31:2,14,16, 32:51-52, 34:1-8; 1 Samuel 2:6; Matthew 22:32; John 11:25-26; Matthew 17:1-12; Mark 9:1-13; Luke 9:27-36; 2 Peter 1:16; Romans 5:14; Jude 1:9" - Special Resurrections - Cases in Scripture, of the past, and of one to come before the Great Ones

I have already shown, before your post that Moses was very much resurrected and alive on the Mount of Transfiguration in a glorified body, even as the text says, "in glory", with Elijah.

Special Resurrections - Cases in Scripture, of the past, and of one to come before the Great Ones

Neither Moses or Elijah are sleeping, neither in the dirt. They are both physically in Heaven with Enoch and the Firstfruits and Jesus.

When Jesus said that JEHOVAH is not the God of the dead, but of the living, it was in the context of the resurrection, thus Moses cannot be in Heaven, unless he is resurrected (as I said and shown from scripture) :

Mar 12:24 And Jesus answering said unto them, Do ye not therefore err, because ye know not the scriptures, neither the power of God?
Mar 12:25 For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven.
Mar 12:26 And as touching the dead, that they rise: have ye not read in the book of Moses, how in the bush God spake unto him, saying, I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob?
Mar 12:27 He is not the God of the dead, but the God of the living: ye therefore do greatly err.​
 

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And BTW Jonah died in the belly of the fish and was resurrected after three days.
That is nowhere taught in scripture. Jonah was merely unconscious for a short time (not all three days) - "fainted"

(same word used here:

"From the end of the earth will I cry unto thee, when my heart is overwhelmed: lead me to the rock that is higher than I." - Psalms 61:2

"I remembered God, and was troubled: I complained, and my spirit was overwhelmed. Selah." - Psalms 77:3

"Hungry and thirsty, their soul fainted in them." - Psalms 107:5

"When my spirit was overwhelmed within me, then thou knewest my path. In the way wherein I walked have they privily laid a snare for me." - Psalms 142:3
"Therefore is my spirit overwhelmed within me; my heart within me is desolate." - Psalms 143:4

"Mine eyes do fail with tears, my bowels are troubled, my liver is poured upon the earth, for the destruction of the daughter of my people; because the children and the sucklings swoon in the streets of the city." - Lamentations 2:11

"They say to their mothers, Where [is] corn and wine? when they swooned as the wounded in the streets of the city, when their soul was poured out into their mothers' bosom." - Lamentations 2:12

"Arise, cry out in the night: in the beginning of the watches pour out thine heart like water before the face of the Lord: lift up thy hands toward him for the life of thy young children, that faint for hunger in the top of every street." - Lamentations 2:19).​

A type (typology) of death. That's why Jesus could use him as a reference to His own actual death.

Jonah was awake most of the time, suffering in "affliction", vs 2, was praying, vs 1, crying, vs 2, understood his condition and surroundings, vss 1-6,9, until he "fainted"/fell asleep, being taken to the bottom, and then "the earth with her bars" was about him.

Yet after such, then Jonah says God "brought up my life from corruption", vs 6, being a reference to when God "spake unto the fish, and it vomited out Jonah upon the dry land", vs 10, all together, being the "salvation of the LORD", vs 9

It's a typology.
 

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hell cant be the grave.
The word "hell" simply means "a low place in the dark", such as a "pit", "hole" or "grave" or that which is 'sloping downward', and is used as such in English language, when in olden days they said, "I am helling potatoes." (ie placing them in the cellar, "helling" is the present participle of 'hell' (Webster's), you can see it's use here - helling potatoes - Google Search ), or "I am helling a roof." (covering the roof), or when one said of a really dingy and dark place, "That place is a real hell hole."

Look at the parallelism:

Isa_14:15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.

[A1] "brought down to"
[B1] "hell"
[A2] "to the side of"
[B2] "the pit"
Again:

Eze_31:16 I made the nations to shake at the sound of his fall, when I cast him down to hell with them that descend into the pit: and all the trees of Eden, the choice and best of Lebanon, all that drink water, shall be comforted in the nether parts of the earth.

[A1] "cast him"
[B1] "down to"
[C1] "hell"
[A2] "with them"
[B2] descend into"
[C2] "the pit"

It is a hole or dark place that swallows up:

Isa_5:14 Therefore hell hath enlarged herself, and opened her mouth without measure: and their glory, and their multitude, and their pomp, and he that rejoiceth, shall descend into it.

There is a lot more. There are other uses, which combine with fire, which refer to the "lake of fire". Hell can be used physically, or symbolically in scripture.

So, when the scripture says of Jesus:

Psa_16:10 For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.

Psa_49:9 That he should still live for ever, and not see corruption.

Act_2:27 Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.

Act_2:31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.

Act_13:35 Wherefore he saith also in another psalm, Thou shalt not suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.​

The "soul" of Jesus is the Being/Person Himself (see Genesis 2:7). The "hell" in these texts is the "grave" (Job 21:32), the
bed in darkness" (Job 17:13; Psalms 139:8), where "the Lord lay" (Matthew 28:6).
 

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... Rev 5:3 And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither UNDER THE EARTH, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon. ...
The phrase "under the earth" in Revelation 5:3, means the grave or buried (or under dirt/rock).

Exo_20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:

Deu_4:18 The likeness of any thing that creepeth on the ground, the likeness of any fish that is in the waters beneath the earth:

Deu_5:8 Thou shalt not make thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the waters beneath the earth:

Php_2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;

Rev_5:13 And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.​