After the Rapture: The End of the World

Truth7t7 said:

I was trying to nicely post that I agree, smiles!

Jesus Is The Lord

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BARNEY BRIGHT said:

Sorry, thought you believed I agreed with some rapture reasoning of 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17, my bad

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Truth7t7 said:

Hey Barney any good fishing in that "Flint River"?

You guys have deer, turkey, hogs?

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BARNEY BRIGHT said:

Honestly I don't have a clue. I don't fish or hunt, well I haven't in over twenty years anyway. I do know that my uncle does a lot of deer hunting when in season

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Truth7t7 said:

Barney that Flint river is full of fish, Gar, Bass, Catfish, Walleye, Small Mouth

Go Get A Pole And Go Fishing!

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BARNEY BRIGHT said:

Rapture:

The Bible clearly shows that “the sign of the Son of man” will appear in heaven and that Jesus will come “on the clouds of heaven.” (Matthew 24:30) Both of these expressions imply invisibility. Additionally, “flesh and blood cannot inherit God’s Kingdom.” So those who will be taken to heaven will first need to be “changed, in a moment, in the blink of an eye, during the last trumpet.” (1Corinthians 15:50-53) While it's true the remaining faithful anointed will be gathered together in an instant of time, the scriptures show that they will be changed in an instant of time, in the blink of an eye. So humans in their human bodies caught up to heaven isn't what's going to happen. According to Romans 6:3-5 and 1Corinthians 15:35,36,44, they must die before they can gain heavenly life. But there is no need for them to remain in the death state awaiting Christ’s return. So instead at the moment of death they will be changed in the twinking of an eye and instantly be “caught up,” to be with the Lord. 1 Corinthians 15:51,52; Revelation 14:13.

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BARNEY BRIGHT said:

I wasn't saying that 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17 was speaking about a rapture. I said Paul was speaking about the resurrection not a rapture.

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n2thelight said:

The clouds are simply a group of people coming back with Christ ,Paul used this exact word in the below

Hebrews 12:1 "Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,"

Paul is drawing attention to the fact that there are a great number of witnesses. He describes their large group as being like a "cloud". Paul is describing the ministry of witnessing of all the saints in comparison to a marathon race, similar to that of the Greek races of ancient Athens. Today these races have been brought back to life in the form of the Olympics. Those that claim the name of Christ are the runners in this race, and Paul is urging us in this marathon to set aside every weight, every thing that would turn us from the path of witnessing, and doing the work of the Lord.

Paul wants us to make ground fast, and win the race. Those weights that could slow us down could be many things. It could be a church that teaches false doctrine that could sidetrack your growth in the Lord for many years. It could also be many other things that you allow to come between you and our Heavenly father.

Paul used this same word "cloud" in I Thessalonians 4:17. Paul spoke colloquial Greek, and Paul was using a figure of speech when he used the word "cloud" here. Paul was educated in the Hebrew tongue, however his father was an Hellenist, as well as a Roman. The Greek that was spoken by Paul was a street Greek, and he expressed himself in Greek much as you would use the common terms of the day.

I Thessalonians 4:17 "Then we which are alive, and remain, shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord."

When you have a "cloud of locust", the "cloud" is in reference to the number that are in the group, and this expression can refer to anything that gathers in a large number, birds, or people. So what Paul was saying when he refers to the "cloud", is an analogy that we are all gathered into one large group with Christ the center, and we call this group "the body of Christ". The race that we are going to accomplish is the race to witness the good news of the gospel.

Today many Christians have built an entire doctrine around the "meeting of the Lord in the clouds", and from it comes the "rapture" doctrine. It seems that those that chase after that false doctrine have overlooked the entire subject, and the object of the lesson that is being spoken of. Paul was writing this letter to let the Thessalonians Christians know "where the dead are". They are not out there in a hole in the ground, like the heathen believe, but the dead are taken instantly back to the Father at death. Their soul is not in the ground, but in heaven. And in that they are in heaven, upon Christ's return to earth they also shall return with Him in a mighty cloud [a great number of persons], and descend from the air to earth for the Millennium kingdom.

Paul then is telling us to exercise our mind, and build up our endurance to run the race here in our flesh bodies that our Lord expects of us. To do that we have to study to have the knowledge, and use our common sense and join with the assembly of people that are also running that race to reach our goal. When we run that race, there are lanes that we must run in, and the Scriptures give us the boundaries of those lanes so we do not go off in just any direction, and chase after strange doctrines, or in our generation it will be the false Christ. When you stay on the course and keep your mind set on the goal, you have a guarantee of winning that race.
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n2thelight said:

The resurrection happens at death, the flesh will not rise ,the question is the state of your soul at that time . If we are in Christ at our death or at His return whichever comes first, we have no fear of the 2nd death .

At the return of Christ ALL are changed age of the flesh will be over the question then becomes your very soul .

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n2thelight said:

The clouds are simply a group of people coming back with Christ ,Paul used this exact word in the below

Hebrews 12:1 "Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,"

Paul is drawing attention to the fact that there are a great number of witnesses. He describes their large group as being like a "cloud". Paul is describing the ministry of witnessing of all the saints in comparison to a marathon race, similar to that of the Greek races of ancient Athens. Today these races have been brought back to life in the form of the Olympics. Those that claim the name of Christ are the runners in this race, and Paul is urging us in this marathon to set aside every weight, every thing that would turn us from the path of witnessing, and doing the work of the Lord.

Paul wants us to make ground fast, and win the race. Those weights that could slow us down could be many things. It could be a church that teaches false doctrine that could sidetrack your growth in the Lord for many years. It could also be many other things that you allow to come between you and our Heavenly father.

Paul used this same word "cloud" in I Thessalonians 4:17. Paul spoke colloquial Greek, and Paul was using a figure of speech when he used the word "cloud" here. Paul was educated in the Hebrew tongue, however his father was an Hellenist, as well as a Roman. The Greek that was spoken by Paul was a street Greek, and he expressed himself in Greek much as you would use the common terms of the day.

I Thessalonians 4:17 "Then we which are alive, and remain, shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord."

When you have a "cloud of locust", the "cloud" is in reference to the number that are in the group, and this expression can refer to anything that gathers in a large number, birds, or people. So what Paul was saying when he refers to the "cloud", is an analogy that we are all gathered into one large group with Christ the center, and we call this group "the body of Christ". The race that we are going to accomplish is the race to witness the good news of the gospel.

Today many Christians have built an entire doctrine around the "meeting of the Lord in the clouds", and from it comes the "rapture" doctrine. It seems that those that chase after that false doctrine have overlooked the entire subject, and the object of the lesson that is being spoken of. Paul was writing this letter to let the Thessalonians Christians know "where the dead are". They are not out there in a hole in the ground, like the heathen believe, but the dead are taken instantly back to the Father at death. Their soul is not in the ground, but in heaven. And in that they are in heaven, upon Christ's return to earth they also shall return with Him in a mighty cloud [a great number of persons], and descend from the air to earth for the Millennium kingdom.

Paul then is telling us to exercise our mind, and build up our endurance to run the race here in our flesh bodies that our Lord expects of us. To do that we have to study to have the knowledge, and use our common sense and join with the assembly of people that are also running that race to reach our goal. When we run that race, there are lanes that we must run in, and the Scriptures give us the boundaries of those lanes so we do not go off in just any direction, and chase after strange doctrines, or in our generation it will be the false Christ. When you stay on the course and keep your mind set on the goal, you have a guarantee of winning that race.

hebrews12

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Truth7t7 said:

John 5:28-29KJV
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

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n2thelight said:

The resurrection happens at death, the flesh will not rise ,the question is the state of your soul at that time . If we are in Christ at our death or at His return whichever comes first, we have no fear of the 2nd death .

At the return of Christ ALL are changed age of the flesh will be over the question then becomes your very soul .

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Truth7t7 said:

The Explanation Below Is Very Clear And Easy To Understand

Satan is "Currently" bound from "One Specific Purpose", And One Only?

"Deceive The Nations" To Battle

The Non-Literal 1,000 Years (Revelation) 20:1-6 Are Taking Place Now In The Lords Spiritual, And Will Cease At The Future Second Coming

If A Tribulation Saint Were To Die One Day Before The Second Coming, He Enters Into The Non-Literal 1,000 Year Reign

Many That Promote Millennialism Falsely Teach, Satan Cant Be Presently Bound Because Evil Exist In The World?

Satan Is Presently Bound As Is Clearly Seen In (Revelation) 20:7-8 Below That Interprets (Deceive The Nations) Is To Battle, Not General Evil In The World Presently.

Satan Is Loosed At The End Of The Tribulation When The 6th Vial Is Poured Out As Seen In (Revelation) 16:12, The Deception Is Devils In False Miracles Going Forth To The Kings Of The Earth, To Gather Them To The Final Battle

(Revelation) 20:1-9KJV
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

(Revelation) 16:12-14 & (Revelation) 20:7-8 Same Deception In Gathering The Nations To The Very Same Final Battle In "Parallel" Teachings Of The Same Event

(Revelation) 16:12-17KJV
12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.
13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.

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n2thelight said:

There ain't nobody in the graves they went to heaven at death , one side of the gulf or the other , did not the rich man parable teach you this ?And if you wanna dismiss that as just a parable , we have another witness

Ecclesiastes 12:6 "Or ever the silver cord be loosed, or the golden bowl be broken, or the pitcher be broken at the fountain, or the wheel broken at the cistern."


Ecclesiastes 12:7 "Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God Who gave it."

Then when? After the silver cord breaks, the mind is brain dead, and the body loses its life. Then shall the body "dust" return to the earth as it was, before it was formed into food, and entered your mouth as food to make your flesh body healthy.

The spirit is the intellect of the soul, that gives the soul its identity. This is not complicated. When the body dies, and goes to the grave, the physical body will never have a use again, for the soul has returned to the Father, to God who created it in the first place. Because this is a promise of God, it should be what all Christians look forward to all the days of their lives. That is the day that we will be with the Father and Jesus Christ is heaven, not at some distant time in the future.

We have two bodies as scripture teaches

I Corinthians 15:35 "But some man will say, "How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?"

Paul is now going to tell us what happens and we bury them in the ground. Pay attention so that you will understand and there will be no confusion. So if you believe in the resurrection, than how does it happen? Where does it take place, and with what body does the dead rise?

We are talking about the physical body and it's change. In other words, what happens to the flesh after death, and the soul after it has departed from the body?

I Corinthians 15:36 "Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:"

It is important to understand the word "quickened", Remember in verse 22 Paul stated; "in Adam all die, so in Christ shall all be made alive." This Greek word for "quickened" is the same Greek word for the "coming alive". It means that all, sinners and saints are made alive through Christ. It doesn't mean that the soul is raised to eternal life, for the soul is not the subject here, but the question is what happens to the physical body?

It means to "revitalize" [# 2227 in Strong's] the soul, and become conscience and ready for judgment. This doesn't mean that all souls are saved, but that all souls are given life to continue as they were. If that soul was lost, it will still be lost, but the final death will not take place until after this age of the flesh is over, after the Millennium age, and the Great white throne judgment is finish. Then will be the time of the "second death" or the death of the lost souls. It means that the soul has put off the flesh body, and put on their spiritual body, but their soul is still condemned to death if it is not in right standing with God.

Hebrews 4:12 "For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart."

By placing the Word of God in your mind, it becomes the standard for all of your thought, and it directs the intents of your mind, which is you heart. Christ is the Living Word, and He can discern the intent of your mind, you can't fool Him. Within man's soul is his spirit, and the spirit is the intellect part of His thought process.

You have to be able to separate those things to understand the resurrection. Paul is now going to explain our flesh body to us, not the soul, the spirit, or our thought process, but our flesh and blood body.

I Corinthians 15:37 "And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain:"

Paul is comparing our flesh body with other living things, such as a grain of wheat. When the seed is separated from its parent plant it is as naked as a new born baby. This is the body of the wheat, and this is not the grain that you see coming for in new plants next year. This seed of wheat that you set aside for the next years crop is what must die before it can raise up again in a new form. That body of wheat is gone, and that is what happens to our flesh. It must die before the new beautiful spiritual body can come forth.

The flesh body must die and be buried in the ground, for no where is it recorded that a flesh body will resurrect from the dead. Christ's body did rise again, for it paid the price for our sins for one and all times. However, when Christ's body came out of the tomb, it had to be transfigured or flesh man simply could not see Him.

The body of the wheat or of flesh that dies and is planted in the ground is not the same body that springs forth into new life. It is the Spiritual body that ascends to be with the Father, not the flesh. Again the subject is the physical body.

When you plant any seed, flowers, corn, or wheat, there is an embryo deep inside of the body of that plant. As the body of the parent plant decays, it feeds this little embryo that is deep within that seed or kernel of corn. Then when the water, and temperature, and soil are just right, then that embryo springs forth into new life, and a new plant is formed. That is exactly as it is with our flesh body, the old flesh body must die before the new life of our new spiritual of soul body can come forth. The time that it takes for the new spiritual life to come from the death of the old flesh body is instant.

The instant that the flesh body dies, the soul and spirit body is present with the Lord that gave it in the first place. The flesh decays back into the elements of the earth that it is made of, and your soul returns to the Father. Paul could not have made it more simpler than the using of a grain of wheat in comparison to our flesh bodies. Just as all of nature functions, so it is with man.

that is within that flesh body is returned to the Lord to for its rewards.

I Corinthians 15:44 "It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body."

There is a natural body, which is your flesh body, and there is also a spiritual or soul body. The two are different and when the natural body, or flesh body dies the spiritual body is "raised", or in the Greek text "egiro, awakened, become active from its death". You have two bodies, one natural body contains your spiritual body, and that spiritual body is awakened to a new life, when the flesh or natural body dies and releases your soul. Your spirit and your soul are together, for the spirit is your "self", "the intellect of your soul" which houses your spirit within you.

Your spirit never leaves your soul, even at the death of your flesh body. Satan does not have any power over your spiritual body, but only your flesh body. Man and Satan can tare this flesh body to peaces and cause you to do all sorts of things, but no-one can damage your soul, not man, not Satan nor the angels. God is the only one that can destroy the soul and that comes at the end of the Millennium age, following judgment. However through deception Satan can cause you to sin against God, and thus be in trouble before the Almighty God. But that is why we have repentance in the name of Jesus to become right-standing before the Father again.

It just can't be made any clearer than Paul has made it here.

Your flesh is nothing but DIRT and DIRT it goes back to !!!!

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Timtofly said:

Your explanation when this binding happened is as clear as mud. Why not just answer when this fairy tale non literal binding started?

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Truth7t7 said:

In post #267 you falsely stated that the "Resurrection" takes place upon death,100% wrong

The "Resurrection" of all takes place at the second coming, last day

When a believer dies, their souls is absent from the dead body, and is present with the Lord in Abraham's Bosom awaiting the "Resurrection"

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n2thelight said:

Not false ,you wrong thinking the soul that died and went to Heaven will come back and grab that dirt body.

What is a soul ? You don't have a soul, you are a soul ,the flesh(dirt) is for that soul to hang out in until death or the 2nd coming , whichever comes first .

Those who are alive at the 2nd coming will be changed to like them that Christ brings with Him at that time

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Truth7t7 said:

The Resurrection Of All Takes Place At The Second Coming Of Jesus Christ on the (Last Day)

(All That Are In The Graves Shall Hear His Voice, And Shall Come Forth)

(THE LAST DAY RESURRECTION)

John 5:28-29KJV
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

John 6:39-40KJV
39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

1 Corinthians 15:21-26 & 51-54KJV
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

(THE LAST DAY JUDGEMENT)

John 12:48KJV
48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

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n2thelight said:

There ain't nobody in the graves they went to heaven at death , one side of the gulf or the other , did not the rich man parable teach you this ?And if you wanna dismiss that as just a parable , we have another witness

Ecclesiastes 12:6 "Or ever the silver cord be loosed, or the golden bowl be broken, or the pitcher be broken at the fountain, or the wheel broken at the cistern."


Ecclesiastes 12:7 "Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God Who gave it."

Then when? After the silver cord breaks, the mind is brain dead, and the body loses its life. Then shall the body "dust" return to the earth as it was, before it was formed into food, and entered your mouth as food to make your flesh body healthy.

The spirit is the intellect of the soul, that gives the soul its identity. This is not complicated. When the body dies, and goes to the grave, the physical body will never have a use again, for the soul has returned to the Father, to God who created it in the first place. Because this is a promise of God, it should be what all Christians look forward to all the days of their lives. That is the day that we will be with the Father and Jesus Christ is heaven, not at some distant time in the future.

We have two bodies as scripture teaches

I Corinthians 15:35 "But some man will say, "How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?"

Paul is now going to tell us what happens and we bury them in the ground. Pay attention so that you will understand and there will be no confusion. So if you believe in the resurrection, than how does it happen? Where does it take place, and with what body does the dead rise?

We are talking about the physical body and it's change. In other words, what happens to the flesh after death, and the soul after it has departed from the body?

I Corinthians 15:36 "Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:"

It is important to understand the word "quickened", Remember in verse 22 Paul stated; "in Adam all die, so in Christ shall all be made alive." This Greek word for "quickened" is the same Greek word for the "coming alive". It means that all, sinners and saints are made alive through Christ. It doesn't mean that the soul is raised to eternal life, for the soul is not the subject here, but the question is what happens to the physical body?

It means to "revitalize" [# 2227 in Strong's] the soul, and become conscience and ready for judgment. This doesn't mean that all souls are saved, but that all souls are given life to continue as they were. If that soul was lost, it will still be lost, but the final death will not take place until after this age of the flesh is over, after the Millennium age, and the Great white throne judgment is finish. Then will be the time of the "second death" or the death of the lost souls. It means that the soul has put off the flesh body, and put on their spiritual body, but their soul is still condemned to death if it is not in right standing with God.

Hebrews 4:12 "For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart."

By placing the Word of God in your mind, it becomes the standard for all of your thought, and it directs the intents of your mind, which is you heart. Christ is the Living Word, and He can discern the intent of your mind, you can't fool Him. Within man's soul is his spirit, and the spirit is the intellect part of His thought process.

You have to be able to separate those things to understand the resurrection. Paul is now going to explain our flesh body to us, not the soul, the spirit, or our thought process, but our flesh and blood body.

I Corinthians 15:37 "And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain:"

Paul is comparing our flesh body with other living things, such as a grain of wheat. When the seed is separated from its parent plant it is as naked as a new born baby. This is the body of the wheat, and this is not the grain that you see coming for in new plants next year. This seed of wheat that you set aside for the next years crop is what must die before it can raise up again in a new form. That body of wheat is gone, and that is what happens to our flesh. It must die before the new beautiful spiritual body can come forth.

The flesh body must die and be buried in the ground, for no where is it recorded that a flesh body will resurrect from the dead. Christ's body did rise again, for it paid the price for our sins for one and all times. However, when Christ's body came out of the tomb, it had to be transfigured or flesh man simply could not see Him.

The body of the wheat or of flesh that dies and is planted in the ground is not the same body that springs forth into new life. It is the Spiritual body that ascends to be with the Father, not the flesh. Again the subject is the physical body.

When you plant any seed, flowers, corn, or wheat, there is an embryo deep inside of the body of that plant. As the body of the parent plant decays, it feeds this little embryo that is deep within that seed or kernel of corn. Then when the water, and temperature, and soil are just right, then that embryo springs forth into new life, and a new plant is formed. That is exactly as it is with our flesh body, the old flesh body must die before the new life of our new spiritual of soul body can come forth. The time that it takes for the new spiritual life to come from the death of the old flesh body is instant.

The instant that the flesh body dies, the soul and spirit body is present with the Lord that gave it in the first place. The flesh decays back into the elements of the earth that it is made of, and your soul returns to the Father. Paul could not have made it more simpler than the using of a grain of wheat in comparison to our flesh bodies. Just as all of nature functions, so it is with man.

that is within that flesh body is returned to the Lord to for its rewards.

I Corinthians 15:44 "It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body."

There is a natural body, which is your flesh body, and there is also a spiritual or soul body. The two are different and when the natural body, or flesh body dies the spiritual body is "raised", or in the Greek text "egiro, awakened, become active from its death". You have two bodies, one natural body contains your spiritual body, and that spiritual body is awakened to a new life, when the flesh or natural body dies and releases your soul. Your spirit and your soul are together, for the spirit is your "self", "the intellect of your soul" which houses your spirit within you.

Your spirit never leaves your soul, even at the death of your flesh body. Satan does not have any power over your spiritual body, but only your flesh body. Man and Satan can tare this flesh body to peaces and cause you to do all sorts of things, but no-one can damage your soul, not man, not Satan nor the angels. God is the only one that can destroy the soul and that comes at the end of the Millennium age, following judgment. However through deception Satan can cause you to sin against God, and thus be in trouble before the Almighty God. But that is why we have repentance in the name of Jesus to become right-standing before the Father again.

It just can't be made any clearer than Paul has made it here.

Your flesh is nothing but DIRT and DIRT it goes back to !!!!

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n2thelight said:

I have a thread on the resurrection ,we can discuss it there if you like

Resurrection | Christian Forums @ Christianity Board

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