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Enoch and Elijah were taken up to heaven, but where is heaven? Are they floating around in space somewhere? Is heaven in outer space or a different dimension?
Why haven’t any astronauts been able to see it?
 

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Because Heaven is BEYOND outer space. And only those who are within the Kingdom of God will see Heaven. Space is not infinite.
So are you saying that space is finite but heaven is beyond where space ends? That heaven is infinite? in another dimension? Different plane than we are or what?
 
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Enoch and Elijah were taken up to heaven, but where is heaven? Are they floating around in space somewhere? Is heaven in outer space or a different dimension?
Why haven’t any astronauts been able to see it?
This may help you:

Unfallen Life (beings & creatures) on Unfallen Worlds according to the Bible (KJB)

They (Enoch & Elijah) are taken up beyond the 1st Heaven (atmosphere) and beyond the 2nd Heaven (local Sol system) and to the 3rd Heaven where God is and dwells. They are on one of the unfallen worlds above.

As for 'astro-NOTS', do not believe too much from N.A.S.A. (Never Accept Serpent Assertions)

The Bible speaks of the true things.
 

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So are you saying that space is finite but heaven is beyond where space ends? That heaven is infinite? in another dimension? Different plane than we are or what?
I simply said that space is not infinite. And from all we know Heaven is not infinite, but it is "another dimension". As a matter of fact the New Jerusalem is the primary manifestation of Heaven in Scripture, and it is a cubic city 1500 cubic miles in dimension. As to who is in that city at present, seen Hebrews 12.

That is still a lot of space if you consider the fact a 10 story building is about a 100 feet high. Which means there could be about 53 levels of such buildings per mile. So 1500 miles up would have 79,500 such levels (all with 10 story buildings). Then you have to also account for the length and breadth of that city.

Of course this is just conjecture, but you get the picture. The New Jerusalem is equivalent to more than a continent, and the saints in Heaven cannot be counted (Revelation 7).
 

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Then where is it? Your link wasn’t helpful.
if you're looking for Lat/Long coordinates....I'm sorry, outta luck.... I think I'll go and see if the worm knows the way to London!
I knew you'd like my humour .....but it's dangerous!
 
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This may help you:

Unfallen Life (beings & creatures) on Unfallen Worlds according to the Bible (KJB)

They (Enoch & Elijah) are taken up beyond the 1st Heaven (atmosphere) and beyond the 2nd Heaven (local Sol system) and to the 3rd Heaven where God is and dwells. They are on one of the unfallen worlds above.

As for 'astro-NOTS', do not believe too much from N.A.S.A. (Never Accept Serpent Assertions)

The Bible speaks of the true things.
Do you disbelieve science?
 

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I think it is in a spiritual dimension not in a physical location if that makes sense. It place is unseen by us, with these eyes. I am starting to think animals can see things that we cannot. Watching my cats and dogs is quite entertaining, They follow stuff around with their eyes and I see nothing.
 

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I think it is in a spiritual dimension not in a physical location if that makes sense. It place is unseen by us, with these eyes. I am starting to think animals can see things that we cannot. Watching my cats and dogs is quite entertaining, They follow stuff around with their eyes and I see nothing.
Ok, but then how can Enoch and Elijah be there since they weren’t glorified?
 

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Ok, but then how can Enoch and Elijah be there since they weren’t glorified?
Haha you got me there. That thought has never crossed my mind. Maybe he put them somewhere else. He did create worlds, not just a world...
 

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Haha you got me there. That thought has never crossed my mind. Maybe he put them somewhere else. He did create worlds, not just a world...
I’ve read that they weren’t taken to heaven but relocated and eventually died but I’m unsure of how. a i local that is.
 

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Do you disbelieve science?
I disbelieve pseudo science, the science falsely so called.

I believe my Bible:

Unfallen Life (beings & creatures) on Unfallen Worlds according to the Bible (KJB)

I do not believe the agency of lies:

Some have thought that sinful men (mankind) have physically travelled to some of the other heavenly bodies, such as the "moon" and "Mars". This is not so, according to scripture, and the science itself. I do not question certain high altitude satellites, but nothing has 'landed' on the moon or Mars, that is all illusory. The problem arises when men trust their eyes and ears, through a 'medium' of television, and a government funded agency (N.A.S.A.):

N.A.S.A. - Not Always Scientifically Accurate

N.A.S.A. - Never A Straight Answer

N.A.S.A. - Numerous Anomalies Scams Abound

N.A.S.A. - National Academy of Space Actors

N.A.S.A. - Not Anything, Simply Aether

N.A.S.A. - Neither Aerospace, Sadly, Astro-NOTS!

N.A.S.A. - Never Accept Serpent Assertions.

One error demonstrated (N.A.S.A.), does not validate an associated error (flat-earth), as true (in fact, it is untrue, but this thread is not for that issue. Any person desiring to discuss the 'shape' of the world upon which we live/exist, begin a new thread, and invite me to join by PM. Do not link to it here, and I ask in charity (1 Corinthians 13)).

The position taken, is a scriptural (KJB), historical and scientific one.

God will never allow sinful manind to leave this planet [world, spheroid] (though they have access to high altitudes, see also Ephesians 2:2, 6:12) and spread the infection to the entire unfallen universe. Lucifer was already removed from the 3rd Heaven because of sin (2 Peter 2:4; Ezekiel 28:15-18). This world is presently a quarantine zone of sin. It is the triage area, the sickbed of the universal Hospital, a leper colony on an island in 'space' (and another reason it will take 7 days trip to reach the 3rd Heaven, when we finally leave with Jesus; Leviticus 13, 23:39), struck off (temporarily) from the 'continent of Heaven'. Only the proper Heavenly angels, as nurse-aides to the Great Physician, Jesus Christ, is allowed in and out. Even now, since the Cross (AD 31), satan is trapped down here (1 Peter 5:8) and o are we (as Daniel in the Lion's den), unable to leave [1 Timothy 6:7 (which seems to draw upon Job 1:21 & Ecclesiastes 5:15); Revelation 12:8-13; Romans 5:6 [combined with Revelation 12:10]; 2 Corinthians 4:4 [this world only and no other worldly body in the heavens] KJB].

1Ti 6:7 For we brought nothing into this world, and it is certain we can carry nothing out.

Job 1:21 And said, Naked came I out of my mother's womb, and naked shall I return thither: the LORD gave, and the LORD hath taken away; blessed be the name of the LORD.

Ecc 5:15 As he came forth of his mother's womb, naked shall he return to go as he came, and shall take nothing of his labour, which he may carry away in his hand.

Rev 12:8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.

Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Rev 12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

Rev 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

Rev 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

Rev 12:13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.

Rom 5:6 For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.

2Co 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

Psa_115:16 The heaven, even the heavens, are the LORD'S: but the earth hath he given to the children of men.​

The ‘space programs’ are actually another system based upon the ‘tower of babel’ (Genesis 11) reasoning/thought, being another way up into Heaven other than The Way (John 14:6), another ladder other than the Jacob’s Ladder - Jesus Christ. The only way into Heaven now is by vision (2 Corinthians 12:1), or by John 14:1-3 in the return of Jesus Christ to take us all, in Him, up.

The Apollo programs were a giant lie, and the Mars programs even more so. Many more details as needful.

Some names I may recommend to you (most of which is freely available online to read or watch, consider scientifically).

Bill Kaysing (ex-RocketDyne).

James Collier
(Was it only a paper moon);

Bart Sibrel
(Astronauts Gone Wild);

Ralph Rene
(Nasa Mooned America),

Marcus Allen
(author, speaker with Aulis & Nexus magazine).

David Percy
(What happened on the Moon, Analysis; Hall of Mirrors),

Mary Bennett
.

Jim (James) Fetzer
.

Jarrah White
(Moon Faker, Mars Faker (youtube), beware, he's an atheist),

Richard Hall
, and in this present list, last but not least,

N.A.S.A.
itself, and its own material, still available and that which has since been removed, deleted, redacted, etc.​

Do I agree with everything these above have said or done? Of course not. I am only interested in facts, which substantiate the scriptural position. Now, if you say you disagree, then why not hear my evidence and what I have seen, read and studied, tested, then judge, and not before. Begin with the scriptures above, then further evidence may be provided as necessary.

Pro 18:13 He that answereth a matter before he heareth it, it is folly and shame unto him.

Pro 18:17 He that is first in his own cause seemeth just; but his neighbour cometh and searcheth him.​

In the Heavenly universe, this earth (sinful world) is the 'alien' (the foreign) element in all the unfallen universe. Then even so, Christians are the 'alien' (pilgrim's) on earth (Hebrews 11:13; 1 Peter 2:11), and eventually, satan is going to attempt to remove us all (loyal to God) from it.

There are no little green men. No little grey men. No 'Andromedans'. No Raelians. There are however glowing beings that came from Heaven above, some good (like those of God's host, Gabriel and 'Herald' (personal nickname I gave him)), and some wicked (Lucifer and his hosts). The wicked ones love to deceive. A UFO advent, is prepared by the devil for the secularist (and/or atheist, agnostic, etc).

I recommend watching, "Alien Intrusion - Unmasking a Deception with Gary Bates" (not perfect, but serves it's purpose) - Alien Intrusion - Unmasking A Deception With Gary Bates
 
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I disbelieve pseudo science, the science falsely so called.

I believe my Bible:

Unfallen Life (beings & creatures) on Unfallen Worlds according to the Bible (KJB)

I do not believe the agency of lies:

Some have thought that sinful men (mankind) have physically travelled to some of the other heavenly bodies, such as the "moon" and "Mars". This is not so, according to scripture, and the science itself. I do not question certain high altitude satellites, but nothing has 'landed' on the moon or Mars, that is all illusory. The problem arises when men trust their eyes and ears, through a 'medium' of television, and a government funded agency (N.A.S.A.):

N.A.S.A. - Not Always Scientifically Accurate

N.A.S.A. - Never A Straight Answer

N.A.S.A. - Numerous Anomalies Scams Abound

N.A.S.A. - National Academy of Space Actors

N.A.S.A. - Not Anything, Simply Aether

N.A.S.A. - Neither Aerospace, Sadly, Astro-NOTS!

N.A.S.A. - Never Accept Serpent Assertions.

One error demonstrated (N.A.S.A.), does not validate an associated error (flat-earth), as true (in fact, it is untrue, but this thread is not for that issue. Any person desiring to discuss the 'shape' of the world upon which we live/exist, begin a new thread, and invite me to join by PM. Do not link to it here, and I ask in charity (1 Corinthians 13)).

The position taken, is a scriptural (KJB), historical and scientific one.

God will never allow sinful manind to leave this planet [world, spheroid] (though they have access to high altitudes, see also Ephesians 2:2, 6:12) and spread the infection to the entire unfallen universe. Lucifer was already removed from the 3rd Heaven because of sin (2 Peter 2:4; Ezekiel 28:15-18). This world is presently a quarantine zone of sin. It is the triage area, the sickbed of the universal Hospital, a leper colony on an island in 'space' (and another reason it will take 7 days trip to reach the 3rd Heaven, when we finally leave with Jesus; Leviticus 13, 23:39), struck off (temporarily) from the 'continent of Heaven'. Only the proper Heavenly angels, as nurse-aides to the Great Physician, Jesus Christ, is allowed in and out. Even now, since the Cross (AD 31), satan is trapped down here (1 Peter 5:8) and o are we (as Daniel in the Lion's den), unable to leave [1 Timothy 6:7 (which seems to draw upon Job 1:21 & Ecclesiastes 5:15); Revelation 12:8-13; Romans 5:6 [combined with Revelation 12:10]; 2 Corinthians 4:4 [this world only and no other worldly body in the heavens] KJB].

1Ti 6:7 For we brought nothing into this world, and it is certain we can carry nothing out.

Job 1:21 And said, Naked came I out of my mother's womb, and naked shall I return thither: the LORD gave, and the LORD hath taken away; blessed be the name of the LORD.

Ecc 5:15 As he came forth of his mother's womb, naked shall he return to go as he came, and shall take nothing of his labour, which he may carry away in his hand.

Rev 12:8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.

Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Rev 12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

Rev 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

Rev 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

Rev 12:13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.

Rom 5:6 For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.

2Co 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

Psa_115:16 The heaven, even the heavens, are the LORD'S: but the earth hath he given to the children of men.​

The ‘space programs’ are actually another system based upon the ‘tower of babel’ (Genesis 11) reasoning/thought, being another way up into Heaven other than The Way (John 14:6), another ladder other than the Jacob’s Ladder - Jesus Christ. The only way into Heaven now is by vision (2 Corinthians 12:1), or by John 14:1-3 in the return of Jesus Christ to take us all, in Him, up.

The Apollo programs were a giant lie, and the Mars programs even more so. Many more details as needful.

Some names I may recommend to you (most of which is freely available online to read or watch, consider scientifically).

Bill Kaysing (ex-RocketDyne).

James Collier
(Was it only a paper moon);

Bart Sibrel
(Astronauts Gone Wild);

Ralph Rene
(Nasa Mooned America),

Marcus Allen
(author, speaker with Aulis & Nexus magazine).

David Percy
(What happened on the Moon, Analysis; Hall of Mirrors),

Mary Bennett
.

Jim (James) Fetzer
.

Jarrah White
(Moon Faker, Mars Faker (youtube), beware, he's an atheist),

Richard Hall
, and in this present list, last but not least,

N.A.S.A.
itself, and its own material, still available and that which has since been removed, deleted, redacted, etc.​

Do I agree with everything these above have said or done? Of course not. I am only interested in facts, which substantiate the scriptural position. Now, if you say you disagree, then why not hear my evidence and what I have seen, read and studied, tested, then judge, and not before. Begin with the scriptures above, then further evidence may be provided as necessary.

Pro 18:13 He that answereth a matter before he heareth it, it is folly and shame unto him.

Pro 18:17 He that is first in his own cause seemeth just; but his neighbour cometh and searcheth him.​

In the Heavenly universe, this earth (sinful world) is the 'alien' (the foreign) element in all the unfallen universe. Then even so, Christians are the 'alien' (pilgrim's) on earth (Hebrews 11:13; 1 Peter 2:11), and eventually, satan is going to attempt to remove us all (loyal to God) from it.

There are no little green men. No little grey men. No 'Andromedans'. No Raelians. There are however glowing beings that came from Heaven above, some good (like those of God's host, Gabriel and 'Herald' (personal nickname I gave him)), and some wicked (Lucifer and his hosts). The wicked ones love to deceive. A UFO advent, is prepared by the devil for the secularist (and/or atheist, agnostic, etc).

I recommend watching, "Alien Intrusion - Unmasking a Deception with Gary Bates" (not perfect, but serves it's purpose) - Alien Intrusion - Unmasking A Deception With Gary Bates
Okaaaaaaay, then.
 

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I disbelieve pseudo science, the science falsely so called.

I believe my Bible:

Unfallen Life (beings & creatures) on Unfallen Worlds according to the Bible (KJB)

I do not believe the agency of lies:

Some have thought that sinful men (mankind) have physically travelled to some of the other heavenly bodies, such as the "moon" and "Mars". This is not so, according to scripture, and the science itself. I do not question certain high altitude satellites, but nothing has 'landed' on the moon or Mars, that is all illusory. The problem arises when men trust their eyes and ears, through a 'medium' of television, and a government funded agency (N.A.S.A.):

N.A.S.A. - Not Always Scientifically Accurate

N.A.S.A. - Never A Straight Answer

N.A.S.A. - Numerous Anomalies Scams Abound

N.A.S.A. - National Academy of Space Actors

N.A.S.A. - Not Anything, Simply Aether

N.A.S.A. - Neither Aerospace, Sadly, Astro-NOTS!

N.A.S.A. - Never Accept Serpent Assertions.

One error demonstrated (N.A.S.A.), does not validate an associated error (flat-earth), as true (in fact, it is untrue, but this thread is not for that issue. Any person desiring to discuss the 'shape' of the world upon which we live/exist, begin a new thread, and invite me to join by PM. Do not link to it here, and I ask in charity (1 Corinthians 13)).

The position taken, is a scriptural (KJB), historical and scientific one.

God will never allow sinful manind to leave this planet [world, spheroid] (though they have access to high altitudes, see also Ephesians 2:2, 6:12) and spread the infection to the entire unfallen universe. Lucifer was already removed from the 3rd Heaven because of sin (2 Peter 2:4; Ezekiel 28:15-18). This world is presently a quarantine zone of sin. It is the triage area, the sickbed of the universal Hospital, a leper colony on an island in 'space' (and another reason it will take 7 days trip to reach the 3rd Heaven, when we finally leave with Jesus; Leviticus 13, 23:39), struck off (temporarily) from the 'continent of Heaven'. Only the proper Heavenly angels, as nurse-aides to the Great Physician, Jesus Christ, is allowed in and out. Even now, since the Cross (AD 31), satan is trapped down here (1 Peter 5:8) and o are we (as Daniel in the Lion's den), unable to leave [1 Timothy 6:7 (which seems to draw upon Job 1:21 & Ecclesiastes 5:15); Revelation 12:8-13; Romans 5:6 [combined with Revelation 12:10]; 2 Corinthians 4:4 [this world only and no other worldly body in the heavens] KJB].

1Ti 6:7 For we brought nothing into this world, and it is certain we can carry nothing out.

Job 1:21 And said, Naked came I out of my mother's womb, and naked shall I return thither: the LORD gave, and the LORD hath taken away; blessed be the name of the LORD.

Ecc 5:15 As he came forth of his mother's womb, naked shall he return to go as he came, and shall take nothing of his labour, which he may carry away in his hand.

Rev 12:8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.

Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Rev 12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

Rev 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

Rev 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

Rev 12:13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.

Rom 5:6 For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.

2Co 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

Psa_115:16 The heaven, even the heavens, are the LORD'S: but the earth hath he given to the children of men.​

The ‘space programs’ are actually another system based upon the ‘tower of babel’ (Genesis 11) reasoning/thought, being another way up into Heaven other than The Way (John 14:6), another ladder other than the Jacob’s Ladder - Jesus Christ. The only way into Heaven now is by vision (2 Corinthians 12:1), or by John 14:1-3 in the return of Jesus Christ to take us all, in Him, up.

The Apollo programs were a giant lie, and the Mars programs even more so. Many more details as needful.

Some names I may recommend to you (most of which is freely available online to read or watch, consider scientifically).

Bill Kaysing (ex-RocketDyne).

James Collier
(Was it only a paper moon);

Bart Sibrel
(Astronauts Gone Wild);

Ralph Rene
(Nasa Mooned America),

Marcus Allen
(author, speaker with Aulis & Nexus magazine).

David Percy
(What happened on the Moon, Analysis; Hall of Mirrors),

Mary Bennett
.

Jim (James) Fetzer
.

Jarrah White
(Moon Faker, Mars Faker (youtube), beware, he's an atheist),

Richard Hall
, and in this present list, last but not least,

N.A.S.A.
itself, and its own material, still available and that which has since been removed, deleted, redacted, etc.​

Do I agree with everything these above have said or done? Of course not. I am only interested in facts, which substantiate the scriptural position. Now, if you say you disagree, then why not hear my evidence and what I have seen, read and studied, tested, then judge, and not before. Begin with the scriptures above, then further evidence may be provided as necessary.

Pro 18:13 He that answereth a matter before he heareth it, it is folly and shame unto him.

Pro 18:17 He that is first in his own cause seemeth just; but his neighbour cometh and searcheth him.​

In the Heavenly universe, this earth (sinful world) is the 'alien' (the foreign) element in all the unfallen universe. Then even so, Christians are the 'alien' (pilgrim's) on earth (Hebrews 11:13; 1 Peter 2:11), and eventually, satan is going to attempt to remove us all (loyal to God) from it.

There are no little green men. No little grey men. No 'Andromedans'. No Raelians. There are however glowing beings that came from Heaven above, some good (like those of God's host, Gabriel and 'Herald' (personal nickname I gave him)), and some wicked (Lucifer and his hosts). The wicked ones love to deceive. A UFO advent, is prepared by the devil for the secularist (and/or atheist, agnostic, etc).

I recommend watching, "Alien Intrusion - Unmasking a Deception with Gary Bates" (not perfect, but serves it's purpose) - Alien Intrusion - Unmasking A Deception With Gary Bates
What denomination are you? I’m Lutheran LCMS. (Formerly Catholic).