What is the promised land to Abraham?

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Hitler was a Jew ! in fact he was controlled by the Zionist Jews, not to mention the fact that without Hitler the Jews would of never got the Land that they blasphemy call Israel !
Politically The Land was given in general for a place for the poor Jews so that they would not be persecuted, Hitler kicked it all off as instructed by his so called Zionist masters and Lord Rothschild's, that was what Lord Rothschild's WW2 was all about, to get the people back in the Land, it was his work he even said so, it was his baby, his creation.
Hitler is related to the Rothschild's as well, Hitler had not a hope in hell of becoming the Leader of Germany without the help of Lord Rothschild's organisations in fact.
It was the Zionist and Co who under mined Germany for a start and brought on the Great depression and then financed Hitler the money and all in fact to power up, not to mention they demanded 6 million Jews to be killed, why ! because them Jews were the biggest threat to the so called Zionist in fact, if you do your homework you will find that 90% of the Jews in Germany despised the so called Zionist. Not to mention Hitler got rid of all the Jewish print Media all but for the Zionist ones ! now why was that one may ask ? well because the so called Zionist were not worthy of being truly related to being inspired by the OT and Holy Moses as that is not their bag, they are the Golden Calf Mob ! they are dominated by the Talmud whore, that if you ever bothered to study it you would find it the most racial prejudice load of deranged Satanic dribble ever in the history of the world by far, even much worse that anything that the Nazis claimed, yet that shit is not called out on ! no wonder such as they created Islam and worked to bastardised all Christians denominations.
This world is under delusions ! as Jesus said that he was not of this world. Jesus was not under any delusions, he clearly called them out ! just as did St Stephen and what did Jesus say about such people ? That this Mob are of their Father of Lies and was a Murderer from the beginning !

I am not fighting flesh and blood bro ! because to the truly born again we know what the real enemy is in fact. and nothing to do with some stupid race theory.
ok, ok, you made your point, you hate Jews, what more can I say?
You probably have a hard time reading the writings of the Apostles...all of them Jewish...unless you have another conspiracy theory up your sleeve that states otherwise.
 

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The FATHER told Abraham the land would be for an everlasting inheritance. Thewords everlasting should send up red flagseverywhere to Israel. Why? Because we knowthe Father will completely destroy this earth. So Abraham was being showed a heavenly country. A different place then earth. As Paul explains it in Hebrews chapter 11.

Scripture says the world that was, perished through water. Is this a new planet? No.

Perished through water - destroyed by fire - I don’t believe either one means getting a brand new planet.

IMO, shared by some biblical scholars, the new earth is the one we live on now after being cleansed by fire and restored to edenic condition - especially since scripture says twice - once in the OT, and once in the NT, that the world is without end.
 

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The city of Jerusalem that exists right now is in the actual promised land, as shown in Zechariah 14 wherein Jesus returns to Mount Olive just as the angel in Acts predicted, saves the city from total destruction by wiping out the coalition of Muslim nations armies attacking it, then dwells in the city forever, along with Yahweh, and the surviving nations come up to the city to worship them.
 

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Curtis if your suggesting that this earth has been created to last forever. Well I believe you missed the mark. It is written in revelation the following:
Revelation 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

now Peter went on to write the following:


2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved,

Curtis when you speak about what is plainly written and you use human reasoning to explain rather than God’s word. For the following was written for those like you.


Revelation 22:19 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

I pray you will seek the truth in scriptures and not using human reasoning. Your on dangerous ground.
 

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Curtis if your suggesting that this earth has been created to last forever. Well I believe you missed the mark. It is written in revelation the following:
Revelation 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

now Peter went on to write the following:


2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved,

Curtis when you speak about what is plainly written and you use human reasoning to explain rather than God’s word. For the following was written for those like you.


Revelation 22:19 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

I pray you will seek the truth in scriptures and not using human reasoning. Your on dangerous ground.

First of all, that’s ridiculous - there’s no copy of revelation out there that I edited by removing any verses, or added new ones to, so I haven’t done that in any way.

Pointing out that the Bible says twice WORLD WITHOUT END and that the earth is cleansed by fire and restored to as-new condition is not a sin, nor will I be cursed for it., nor is it editing Revelation in any way.

And the earth THAT THEN EXISTED perished through water.

2Pe 3:6 and that by means of these the world that then existed was deluged with water and perished.

2Pe 3:7 But by the same word the heavens and earth that now exist are stored up for fire, being kept until the day of judgment and destruction of the ungodly.

So are we living on planet number two now, and then planet number 3 later on?

No.

Destroyed by water - but same planet.

Destroyed by fire, and restored to as new condition - but same planet.

Isa 45:17 But Israel shall be saved in the LORD with an everlasting salvation: ye shall not be ashamed nor confounded world without end.

Eph 3:21 Unto him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, world without end. Amen.
 

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First of all, that’s ridiculous - there’s no copy of revelation out there that I edited by removing any verses, or added new ones to, so I haven’t done that in any way.

Pointing out that the Bible says twice WORLD WITHOUT END and that the earth is cleansed by fire and restored to as-new condition is not a sin, nor will I be cursed for it., nor is it editing Revelation in any way.

And the earth THAT THEN EXISTED perished through water.

2Pe 3:6 and that by means of these the world that then existed was deluged with water and perished.

2Pe 3:7 But by the same word the heavens and earth that now exist are stored up for fire, being kept until the day of judgment and destruction of the ungodly.

So are we living on planet number two now, and then planet number 3 later on?

No.

Destroyed by water - but same planet.

Destroyed by fire, and restored to as new condition - but same planet.

Isa 45:17 But Israel shall be saved in the LORD with an everlasting salvation: ye shall not be ashamed nor confounded world without end.

Eph 3:21 Unto him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, world without end. Amen.
there’s no copy of revelation out there that I edited by removing any verses, or added new ones to, so I haven’t done that in any way.
but you have Curtis you have taken away. You may not realize what you have done but when you teach that the earth isn’t completely destroyed you speak against the testimony of Jesus Christ which is the revelation. You also speak against Peter’s teaching. When the warning of taking away or adding to revelation is not taking or adding scriptures but denying them. I do pray you see what your doing.
 

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Scripture says the world that was, perished through water. Is this a new planet? No.

Perished through water - destroyed by fire - I don’t believe either one means getting a brand new planet.

IMO, shared by some biblical scholars, the new earth is the one we live on now after being cleansed by fire and restored to edenic condition - especially since scripture says twice - once in the OT, and once in the NT, that the world is without end.
Curtis,
Could you share the scriptures that say the world is without end?

Edit - sorry I missed that you already provided those scriptures.
 

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Curtis if your suggesting that this earth has been created to last forever. Well I believe you missed the mark. It is written in revelation the following:
Revelation 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

The English translation gives the wrong message and context. I believe that @Curtis has painted the intended picture that our understanding should have.

So his question to you in a later post is valid: -

So are we living on planet number two now, and then planet number 3 later on?

I would paraphrase Revelation 21:1 in this manner: -

Revelation 21:1: - 21 Now I saw a new/refurbished heaven and a new/refreshed earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away/gone their way. Also there was no more sea.​

which provides a closer understanding to the meaning of the relevant Greek word and their meaning.

Before we go pointing the finger at what others have written/posted, we need to dig a little deeper than just blindly accept how the Greek text has been translated and paraphrased into our English Language.

Shalom
 
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The English translation gives the wrong message and context. I believe that @Curtis has painted the intended picture that our understanding should have.

So his question to you in a later post is valid: -



I would paraphrase Revelation 21:1 in this manner: -

Revelation 21:1: - 21 Now I saw a new/refurbished heaven and a new/refreshed earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away/gone their way. Also there was no more sea.​

which provides a closer understanding to the meaning of the relevant Greek word and their meaning.

Before we go pointing the finger at what others have written/posted, we need to dig a little deeper than just blindly accept how the Greek text has been translated and paraphrased into our English Language.

Shalom
If you truly believe the translators got it wrong in 1611 then throw you Bible out. You who seem to be wise have become fools. Understanding comes from God. What you imply is the Bible is full of errors and you are the only ones who know. May God have mercy on your soul.
 
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If you truly believe the translators got it wrong in 1611 then throw you Bible out. You who seem to be wise have become fools. Understanding comes from God. What you imply is the Bible is full of errors and you are the only ones who know. May God have mercy on your soul.

Daniel, if you are truly a man who fears God, then why did you set out to curse me with your words.

The English translations that we have are man's paraphrasing of the original scriptures. Many of the understandings of man have now been written into the translations that we use and call "our Bible," and many have adopted them as being a part of God's word.

If you believe that I have made an error in the paraphrase of Rev 21:1 that I published in my post then, by all means, demonstrate that I am wrong in my contextual understanding of the original Greek text that the English Translation has been taken from. I await your posted wisdom in your understanding of the original Greek text.

Shalom
 

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ok, ok, you made your point, you hate Jews, what more can I say?
You probably have a hard time reading the writings of the Apostles...all of them Jewish...unless you have another conspiracy theory up your sleeve that states otherwise.
You are clearly looking at such from a carnal perspective and that's why you are at a loss on the subject at hand.

The Jews ? that can relate to so many things, but for a start, such is a position of lacking Grace in fact ok, but not all, as they who came to Jesus were worthy of God and the rest were a curse to God for they rejected God in fact for Mans works and delusions. that's the Jews in a nut shell today and anyone who is not truly born again because that are lost in fact.

My position is not about flesh and blood.

Jesus was not hung up on Race at all was he ! remember the Well and he was talking to the woman ?

C'mon on man ! I do not hate anyone, I feel sorry for all who are Lost. remember Jesus said forgive them for they know not what they do. because they are under delusions of this world and Jesus Christ said that he was not of this world.
So someone of this world is ? under delusions. and you are clearly delusional about were I am coming from.
I do not hail anyone for their so called race, did Jesus ? no !

Hear in Australia we have people making claims that they are Aboriginals, but are they truly is one point ? one may have 5% of such a blood line in fact, now what is he truly ? now lets look at the rest of his blood lines, say 50% English for argument sake and 20% Irish and what ever else ? but this deceptive degenerate is promoting a great full on lie in fact, one could ask who are you truly bro ? but back comes a out right lie he is claiming to be ? now who is he really well he is 50% Englishman and 5% Aboriginal that is rejecting he is English in fact hey ! talk about casting delusions. and who is it that goes about casting delusions ? I though that was the work of the Devil. and on another point in the USA you have cast deceptions of delusional intent in people claiming to be African Americans ? when clearly they are not ! one who is born in the USA is a American of what ever decent ? see the Lies that are promoted ? by who ? Who promotes such delusional nonsense. people just swallow it all without thinking that they are being taken for a fool.

Now some idiot fool would jump out claiming that I am racial prejudice on the subject in a heart beat, but fact is I am stating the truth of the matter. but the truth hurts idiots and fools, why because they are under delusions.
 

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The Jews ? that can relate to so many things, but for a start, such is a position of lacking Grace in fact ok, but not all, as they who came to Jesus were worthy of God and the rest were a curse to God for they rejected God in fact for Mans works and delusions. that's the Jews in a nut shell today and anyone who is not truly born again because that are lost in fact.
The point you miss of the Gospel is that no one is worthy of God, neither Jew nor Gentile...only by the grace of God can we stand clean before Him...

9 What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin;
10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:

11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
13 Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips:
14 Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness:
15 Their feet are swift to shed blood:
16 Destruction and misery are in their ways:
17 And the way of peace have they not known:
18 There is no fear of God before their eyes.
19 ¶ Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.
20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin. (Rom 3:9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20)

Solution? Right here...

21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith. (Rom 3:21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27)
 

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Romans 11:28-29 NASB
[28] From the standpoint of the gospel they (the unbelieving Jews) are enemies for your sake, but from the standpoint of God's choice they are beloved for the sake of the fathers; [29] for the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.
 

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Romans 11:28-29 NASB
[28] From the standpoint of the gospel they (the unbelieving Jews) are enemies for your sake, but from the standpoint of God's choice they are beloved for the sake of the fathers; [29] for the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.
Listen as to the subject of the Jews of nowadays, they are believers in the OT right ! and they must follow that right ?
Now if they are outside of that they are not worthy of any claim as such at all.

I do not recognise anyone claiming to be a Jew by race as that's stupid.

Anyone who claims to be a Christian if they do not abide in Jesus Christ as their Lord and Saviour knowing that he is King of Israel, they are not worthy of him at all. so such a one claiming Lord Lord Jesus never knew in fact.

With a Jew they have to live by the Law's of Holy Moses and I have nothing against such a one, but as to the Golden Calf Mob I am of the same with Holy Moses, you see I respect Holy Moses, but I do not respect the Golden Calf Mob at all. Now you may call them all Jews ? but I know better because I do understand who is who and will call them out on such.
One who claims to be a Jew does not make such a one worthy ? you see Jesus Christ pointed that out to Nathaniel, saying that Nathaniel was a rue Israelite in fact the best their off as the epitome of such. not to forget one called Jacob earned that right to the Name Israel and the fact is that no one becomes an Israel form a berth right. just as a Christian baptised does not make you truly born again, as John pointed out in fact that he was not even worthy of ?

The worldly are full of stupid claims of Jews and they are always way off track. or trying to slander one with nonsense that only the ignorant would believe. such are just like the ones who stoned St Stephen and did what they did to Jesus Christ and do you know why, well Jesus pointed it out, they know not what they do. You see carnal people are a Mob and you know what mob rule is don't you. not to mention anyone claiming to be part of a Mob is a curse.
 

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If you truly believe the translators got it wrong in 1611 then throw you Bible out. You who seem to be wise have become fools. Understanding comes from God. What you imply is the Bible is full of errors and you are the only ones who know. May God have mercy on your soul.
Stand firm on the holy words of God and all that He did inspire in that bible . Make the choice . Choose ye truth or a fable of men .
But as for the lambs , we stand firm on the ROCK of our salvation and stay in those bibles we do . March onward in the LORD .
Todays scholars have an agenda as does many . Try and downplay the bible in order to create a whole new false image of God .
As for the lambs we shall stick to sound doctrine in the bible .
 
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Listen as to the subject of the Jews of nowadays, they are believers in the OT right ! and they must follow that right ?
Now if they are outside of that they are not worthy of any claim as such at all.

I do not recognise anyone claiming to be a Jew by race as that's stupid.

Anyone who claims to be a Christian if they do not abide in Jesus Christ as their Lord and Saviour knowing that he is King of Israel, they are not worthy of him at all. so such a one claiming Lord Lord Jesus never knew in fact.

With a Jew they have to live by the Law's of Holy Moses and I have nothing against such a one, but as to the Golden Calf Mob I am of the same with Holy Moses, you see I respect Holy Moses, but I do not respect the Golden Calf Mob at all. Now you may call them all Jews ? but I know better because I do understand who is who and will call them out on such.
One who claims to be a Jew does not make such a one worthy ? you see Jesus Christ pointed that out to Nathaniel, saying that Nathaniel was a rue Israelite in fact the best their off as the epitome of such. not to forget one called Jacob earned that right to the Name Israel and the fact is that no one becomes an Israel form a berth right. just as a Christian baptised does not make you truly born again, as John pointed out in fact that he was not even worthy of ?

The worldly are full of stupid claims of Jews and they are always way off track. or trying to slander one with nonsense that only the ignorant would believe. such are just like the ones who stoned St Stephen and did what they did to Jesus Christ and do you know why, well Jesus pointed it out, they know not what they do. You see carnal people are a Mob and you know what mob rule is don't you. not to mention anyone claiming to be part of a Mob is a curse.

I gave you Scripture and you give me more hateful antisemitic rant.
Sir, you are on ignore!
 

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Daniel, if you are truly a man who fears God, then why did you set out to curse me with your words.

The English translations that we have are man's paraphrasing of the original scriptures. Many of the understandings of man have now been written into the translations that we use and call "our Bible," and many have adopted them as being a part of God's word.

If you believe that I have made an error in the paraphrase of Rev 21:1 that I published in my post then, by all means, demonstrate that I am wrong in my contextual understanding of the original Greek text that the English Translation has been taken from. I await your posted wisdom in your understanding of the original Greek text.

Shalom
I have not set out to curse anyone. If you have seen this it was through God’s own word that condemns men.
 

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I gave you Scripture and you give me more hateful antisemitic rant.
Sir, you are on ignore!
I Pray for you.

You do not even know who you are talking to, Most idiots claim that I am a Jew because of my sir name, but I am a Christian. I am not under the power of such deceptions. Just before God in fact, just like Jesus disciples were His Just, so they are not the remnant were as such ?

It has nothing to do with a people ? but to do with exposing the facts that some who claim to be Jews are in fact not worthy at all, one need not even understand the NT to know that point. if you have ever studied the OT you would know that fact. so who are them Jews who kicked out the other Jews in the OT ? anti-Smites ? yes they were banished bro. the Bible is not about Semitic People you know, it's all about the Holy Spirit in fact for with out such one is lost and such will always start barking up the wrong tree.

You have clearly have no faith in Jesus Christ or you would not be barking up the wrong tree, just like any carnal dupe would, It's like this, Oh ! someone is anti-Semite !!! And I could go down the street or to any atheist group of clowns and the one who makes such claims of one being anti-Semite. Then have a look what happens ? The crowd goes wild like a dog with rabies. Someone has broken the Prime Directive ! as if it was the first commandment ? yet If I informed the fools what the first commandment truly is, well they would reject it directly as they always do. not to mention they would be just like they were with Jesus before they hung him up on the Cross and all. yes I know who such as they are, yes they have no Grace. I come across such idiots all the time, but what are they looking for ? well they are lost ! they do not know Jesus Christ in fact or they reject him, because they are looking for the so called Jews to save them and they would not know a True Jew if they came across one, nor did such when Jesus came in the flesh or the Holy Spirit. you should never idolise anyone or anything, making idols clouds the mind.
New age people are all about idolising nonsense.

What people like you are saying is that I can not expose false so called Jews as if I have no rights to that ? Satan always works to undermine another's freedoms as to the Truth, remember all of what they did to Jesus Christ ? what did Jesus say that they were of, Their Father of lies who was a murderer from the beginning. does that even sink in to you. I don't even think such who are not Saved understand the gravity of such as it will just go over their head.

It's not about Semites at all, it's all about the Holy Spirit, because without such you have nothing at all regardless.

If I called out one was an Anti-Christ nowadays what would be the reaction, nothing. 100 years or more ago you would have to look out because the majority were Christians and they knew what it meant. because such is a out right threat in fact to everything in Christ Jesus !
If one was to called out Anti-Semite nowadays the reaction is such an hostile reaction with wanton free will empowering one to destroy by whatever means, malice intent it's a free for all, just as it was when they killed Jesus, it's the same bunch of moronic intent who are totally lost under delusions of demons, because they have been brainwashed over many years of TV dribble etc. yet they have no depth in the subject at all they are not educated at all, but only indoctrinated dupes.
 

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If you truly believe the translators got it wrong in 1611 then throw you Bible out. You who seem to be wise have become fools. Understanding comes from God. What you imply is the Bible is full of errors and you are the only ones who know. May God have mercy on your soul.

What I suggested that you provide was this: -
If you believe that I have made an error in the paraphrase of Rev 21:1 that I published in my post then, by all means, demonstrate that I am wrong in my contextual understanding of the original Greek text that the English Translation has been taken from. I await your posted wisdom in your understanding of the original Greek text.

To which you replied with this: -
I have not set out to curse anyone. If you have seen this it was through God’s own word that condemns men.

My friend, if I am allowed to call you that, I did not ask for your arrogant justification for what you said in your previous post addressed to me in your response. What I requested of you, was for you to provide your paraphrased contextual understanding of Revelations 21:1 that fully expressed what the Greek text context provided.

What you have posted, and the tone that you have used, is not helpful for anyone who may read our interactions.

Now as G:3501, "neos," was not used in this verse but instead G2537, "kainos," was used in this verse and it contains the sense in its meaning of an object that has been made new again or refreshed.

In the Parable of the New (neos) wine in the Refreshed (kainos) Wineskins, the fresh wine, i.e. newly squeezed wine, has to be put into wineskins that are subtle and pliable such that they can contain the new wine without bursting. Even a new unused wineskin can become hard and brittle and will burst if new wine is put into it. Wineskins all need to be refurbished so that they are subtle and pliable before fresh, i.e. new wince can be stored in them.

In the Revelation 21:1 verse, we are told that the heaven and the earth will be refurbished like new again so that the Saints can inhabit them when they come together after the GWTR judgement. We know from scripture that the earth and the heavens will come through the fire but they will not be consumed such that they no longer exist. A brand new heaven and a brand new earth will not be created for the saints to occupy after the time of the judgement.

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What I suggested that you provide was this: -


To which you replied with this: -


My friend, if I am allowed to call you that, I did not ask for your arrogant justification for what you said in your previous post addressed to me in your response. What I requested of you, was for you to provide your paraphrased contextual understanding of Revelations 21:1 that fully expressed what the Greek text context provided.

What you have posted, and the tone that you have used, is not helpful for anyone who may read our interactions.

Now as G:3501, "neos," was not used in this verse but instead G2537, "kainos," was used in this verse and it contains the sense in its meaning of an object that has been made new again or refreshed.

In the Parable of the New (neos) wine in the Refreshed (kainos) Wineskins, the fresh wine, i.e. newly squeezed wine, has to be put into wineskins that are subtle and pliable such that they can contain the new wine without bursting. Even a new unused wineskin can become hard and brittle and will burst if new wine is put into it. Wineskins all need to be refurbished so that they are subtle and pliable before fresh, i.e. new wince can be stored in them.

In the Revelation 21:1 verse, we are told that the heaven and the earth will be refurbished like new again so that the Saints can inhabit them when they come together after the GWTR judgement. We know from scripture that the earth and the heavens will come through the fire but they will not be consumed such that they no longer exist. A brand new heaven and a brand new earth will not be created for the saints to occupy after the time of the judgement.

Shalom
The Greek example you give also means:
kainos: new, fresh
Original Word: καινός, ή, όν
Part of Speech: Adjective
Transliteration: kainos
Phonetic Spelling: (kahee-nos')
Definition: new, fresh
Usage: fresh, new, unused,
I guess you your free to used anyone of these to justify your opinion. I chose to use the translators rendering of the word. I guess when you read in Isaiah 65 when we read that a new Heaven and earth created, even though it was translated from the Hebrew, meant the samething. So with your reasoning the word kainos whether in Hebrew or Greek meant the samething. I chose the new as meaning new and not refurbished.