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"And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil:"
// To make choices without answering to a Higher Authority.

"and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:"
// Reach for the Tree of Life so you can be released after physical death.
 
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GOD became Man to give us The Way to include GOD in our lives ..to get His Image back. To give our conscience a way to answer to GOD again.
 
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Humans gave spiritual authority away to satan. The choices of conscience and discernment became spiritually blind to GOD's Guidance and Understanding.

GOD became Man to give us The Way to include GOD in our lives ..to get His Image back. To wake us to the situation we are in.
 
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pittsburghjoe said:
Good and evil from the tree of knowledge was Choices without considering God.

You can't have direct proof, that would ruin your choice to believe. God doesn't force His Will ..you have to choose it.

Choose to know good and evil that includes GOD in the choice.

He told them that tree would cause death.

death is leaving God out of your choices.

it was temptation to leave God out of their lives.

the tree of knowledge is a literal tree (tree chart) of choices using man's knowledge without involving God.

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but God created everything "good". All the choices were good choices, right?
 
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We give our rotten carnal conscience away to abandon ego/pride and form into His Image again. Our choices regain GOD’s Guidance and Understanding. satan’s “truth” becomes a ridiculous illusion.

Righteous vs self-righteous: Understand what side of the veil you are on.

Morality is pointless if GOD isn’t in our lives.
 
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The knowledge from the tree in the Garden is what satan turned into choices of death/pride/lies.

pride (self-righteous) means you are bought into the beast system. it means you didn't give your life to CHRIST to put it on The Cross.
 
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pittsburghjoe said:
Good and evil from the tree of knowledge was Choices without considering God.

You can't have direct proof, that would ruin your choice to believe. God doesn't force His Will ..you have to choose it.

Choose to know good and evil that includes GOD in the choice.

He told them that tree would cause death.

death is leaving God out of your choices.

it was temptation to leave God out of their lives.

the tree of knowledge is a literal tree (tree chart) of choices using man's knowledge without involving God.
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read the first five books of the bible and see if you can find where God didn't force His will. the whole thing is where God chose, and forced. and God doesn't change, nor does He change His Ways.

by the by are you actually from the burgh?
 
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DPMartin said:
read the first five books of the bible and see if you can find where God didn't force His will. the whole thing is where God chose, and forced. and God doesn't change, nor does He change His Ways.

by the by are you actually from the burgh?
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We have Free Will to choose His Will / Spirit / Perception / Righteousness / Presence / Image / Love / Truth
These are all related.

Jesus showed us The Way with Truth of the blind situation we are in. Light to open our eyes to a Righteous Perception/Conscience of reality. God is Spirit ..death is blindness to GOD.

A dead spirit can't perceive The Way because The Way requires perception of God. You have to let go of man's logic (spiritual blindness).

Adam was the first man with a Perception/Image of God.
Adam ate the perception/image of the beast.

  • We need the Perception/Image of Christ to gain The Way to the Tree of Life.


You can believe by eating God's Knowledge (Fruit) and Perceive The Way He does. Free Will is limited by direct evidence of God because it breaks the death perception. The whole point of this place is to choose God's Perception instead of death ..on your own.


  • The New Covenant (Spirit of the Heart) is the Free Will Choice to Believe for Everyone ..not just Jews.
  • Free Will was always a thing, but you can't have the Choice to Believe unless you have Knowledge of God.

The Tree of Life is the Righteous Spirit of God that Witnesses our spirit/Perception/Image of Christ. It is what keeps us in The Book of Life.

Luke 9:60
Let the dead bury their own dead, but you go and proclaim the kingdom of God

A dead (spirit) can't hear Christ's Voice. It can't follow Him and perceive The Way He does.

This place is setup for you to believe God on your own, without direct evidence, because God doesn't want to force His Perception on anyone. To do so would be limiting your Free Will. The ability to choose by yourself is the core of Free Will ..and reality.

God sees the outcome. The Plan is from the future based on what you chose. Your choice matters ..and you will be Judged on it.

The purpose of this reality is to choose Life or death ..FREE WILL.

I'm done with determinism saying Free Will doesn't exist. You get judged from your point of view, God knowing what you were going to do doesn't matter. The excuse doesn't work at Judgement. "Oh, Hey God, you knew I was going to eat that apple ..so it doesn't count."
 
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John 8:44
Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

//murderer from the death of the tree of knowledge
 
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If satan can be your father, does that mean satan caused the fruit/choices of the tree of knowledge to be connected to his own will?
 
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Do we always have Free Will, but the overarching perception is in the form of GOD's Will/Image ..or the beast?
 
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pittsburghjoe said:
We have Free Will to choose His Will / Spirit / Perception / Righteousness / Presence / Image / Love / Truth
These are all related.

Jesus showed us The Way with Truth of the blind situation we are in. Light to open our eyes to a Righteous Perception/Conscience of reality. God is Spirit ..death is blindness to GOD.

A dead spirit can't perceive The Way because The Way requires perception of God. You have to let go of man's logic (spiritual blindness).

Adam was the first man with a Perception/Image of God.
Adam ate the perception/image of the beast.

  • We need the Perception/Image of Christ to gain The Way to the Tree of Life.


You can believe by eating God's Knowledge (Fruit) and Perceive The Way He does. Free Will is limited by direct evidence of God because it breaks the death perception. The whole point of this place is to choose God's Perception instead of death ..on your own.


  • The New Covenant (Spirit of the Heart) is the Free Will Choice to Believe for Everyone ..not just Jews.
  • Free Will was always a thing, but you can't have the Choice to Believe unless you have Knowledge of God.

The Tree of Life is the Righteous Spirit of God that Witnesses our spirit/Perception/Image of Christ. It is what keeps us in The Book of Life.

Luke 9:60
Let the dead bury their own dead, but you go and proclaim the kingdom of God

A dead (spirit) can't hear Christ's Voice. It can't follow Him and perceive The Way He does.

This place is setup for you to believe God on your own, without direct evidence, because God doesn't want to force His Perception on anyone. To do so would be limiting your Free Will. The ability to choose by yourself is the core of Free Will ..and reality.

God sees the outcome. The Plan is from the future based on what you chose. Your choice matters ..and you will be Judged on it.

The purpose of this reality is to choose Life or death ..FREE WILL.

I'm done with determinism saying Free Will doesn't exist. You get judged from your point of view, God knowing what you were going to do doesn't matter. The excuse doesn't work at Judgement. "Oh, Hey God, you knew I was going to eat that apple ..so it doesn't count."
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ok then, show me in scripture where anyone has chosen God.
 
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"How is it a choice if you aren't aware of the choice?"

Weird how you ruin it yourself by eating from the tree of knowledge.


Don't look for a sign/proof ..look for The Truth.

Free Will = Choosing between The Tree of Life (Truth) or the tree of knowledge (man's logic).

This place is built on your Free Will Choice to Choose His Will Freely (LIFE/TRUTH). You can't do that if you have direct proof. Your choice would be made for you.
 
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pittsburghjoe said:
Free Will = Choosing between The Tree of Life (Truth) or the tree of knowledge (man's logic).
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On this basis you can make anything mean anything. And there is no such thing as "the tree of knowledge". It was "the tree of the knowledge of GOOD AND EVIL".
 
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They are trees of choices. When you make a choice it is between something good or bad. 'evil' is 'bad' in Hebrew.

tree of knowledge =
man's knowledge of choosing between choices ..without GOD's Guidance
 
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