Why are Moses & Elijah at the transfiguration?

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you tell me

The answer is no; there is no doctrinal purity test to enter heaven. Jesus is not God but the Messiah, which is who he claimed to be in Mark 14:62.

That is why I said that you will die in your sins; for unless you believe that I am who I claim to be, you will die in your sins.”
John 8:24 (NLT)

High Priest: Are You God’s Anointed, the Liberating King, the Son of the Blessed One?
Jesus: 62 I am.

Mark 14:61-62 (VOICE)
 

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the Messiah

the Messiah is God

In His days Judah will be saved,
And Israel will dwell safely;
Now this is His name by which He will be called:
THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.

(Jeremiah 23:6)
 
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The answer is no; there is no doctrinal purity test to enter heaven. Jesus is not God but the Messiah, which is who he claimed to be in Mark 14:62.

God called him God, Thomas Called Him God, God Purchased the Church With his own Blood, Jesus is the alpha the omega the beginning and the end the almighty...., Jesus is the creator, This site is Christianity Board....Followers of Christ, What are you trying to sell
 
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don't you think it's weird how you have to quote completely non-literal interpretive paraphrases in order to justify your continuous blasphemy?

No. I just prefer various translations. The blasphemy is rationalizing violating the 1C & 2C.
 

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God called him God

LOL. No God said this is my son. I'm sure you are desperate to interpret Psalms to fit your doctrine. Again, you have to remember the entire Bible is written by monotheist Jews. Obviously, the best you can do is project your trinitarian doctrine onto unitarian text.
 

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LOL. No God said this is my son. I'm sure you are desperate to interpret Psalms to fit your doctrine. Again, you have to remember the entire Bible is written by monotheist Jews. Obviously, the best you can do is project your trinitarian doctrine onto unitarian text.

Psalm? I can give you

Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.


A bit uptight and defensive there, Jesus is God he died for your sins, Obviously, all you can do is inject your preconceived notions
 
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LOL. No God said this is my son. I'm sure you are desperate to interpret Psalms to fit your doctrine. Again, you have to remember the entire Bible is written by monotheist Jews. Obviously, the best you can do is project your trinitarian doctrine onto unitarian text.

You have the attitude of a jws are you a watchtower member, They always get snappy when you say Jesus is God

Acts 20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.

God purchased the church with his own Blood
 
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No. I just prefer various translations. The blasphemy is rationalizing violating the 1C & 2C.

the one who hates correction is "stupid" ((Proverbs 12:1))

I am YHWH, that is My name;
I will not give My glory to another

(Isaiah 42:8)

Now, Father,
glorify Me together with Yourself,
with the glory which I had with You before the world was!

(John 17:5)
the deity of Christ the Messiah is literally written all over the entire Bible, over and over and over and over.
you are blind, leading the blind into the pit.
 

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They always get snappy when you say Jesus is God

like casting light on a vampire, ain't it

he will die if he does not believe. already he is near it, from the cuts of the sword
 
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written by monotheist Jews


And the Angel of the LORD appeared to him in a flame of fire from the midst of a bush. So he looked, and behold, the bush was burning with fire, but the bush was not consumed. Then Moses said, “I will now turn aside and see this great sight, why the bush does not burn.”
So when the LORD saw that he turned aside to look, God called to him from the midst of the bush and said, “
Moses, Moses!
(Exodus 3:2-4)​

these 'monotheistic Jews' happened to write a book by the Holy Spirit that is extraordinarily clear about The Messenger of the LORD being identically I AM THAT I AM.

Christians are likewise explicitly monotheistic. Christians believe in the deity of Christ ((1 Timothy 3:16)).
people who say Jesus was just a man are called "unbelievers" ((John 10:33 e.g.)) -- that is what is called "another gospel" and the Bible says i ought to treat you as "accursed / anathema" ((Galatians 1:8))
 
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You are deliberately disregarding language.

you know full well who it is that is disregarding language

Behold, He is coming with clouds, and every eye will see Him, even they who pierced Him. And all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of Him. Even so, Amen.
I am the Alpha and the Omega, Beginning and End,” says the LORD,
who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.
(Revelation 1:7-8)

And behold! I am coming quickly, and My reward with Me, to give to every one according to his work.
I am the Alpha and the Omega, Beginning and End, the First and the Last.

(Revelation 22:12-13)

Thus says the LORD the King of Israel, and his Redeemer, the LORD of Hosts:
I am the First and I am the Last; besides Me there is no God.
(Isaiah 44:6)

Listen to Me, O Jacob, even Israel whom I called;
I am He, I am the First, I am also the Last!

(Isaiah 48:12)

the First and the Last, who was dead, and came to life
(Revelation 2:8)​
 

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like casting light on a vampire, ain't it

he will die if he does not believe. already he is near it, from the cuts of the sword

but he must die, if he would gain life. Romans 6,
he must die in Christ

and so:

you forget the Lord your Maker,
Who stretched out the heavens
And laid the foundations of the earth

(Isaiah 51:13)

by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him. And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist.
(Colossians 1:16-17)

Thou art worthy, O LORD, to receive glory and honour and power: for Thou hast created all things, and for Thy pleasure they are and were created.
(Revelation 4:11)​
 
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these 'monotheistic Jews' happened to write a book by the Holy Spirit that is extraordinarily clear about The Messenger of the LORD

Who is clearly not God. The LORD ≠ The Messenger of the LORD.
The POTUS ≠ The Messenger of POTUS.
Your mother ≠ the son of your mother.
 

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you know full well who it is that is disregarding language

Behold, He is coming with clouds, and every eye will see Him, even they who pierced Him. And all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of Him. Even so, Amen.
I am the Alpha and the Omega, Beginning and End,” says the LORD,
who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.
(Revelation 1:7-8)

Right, this is the LORD, not the Jesus Carpenter! And you are forgetting Rev 1:1 where Jesus received a revelation from God.

Jesus is not God.
 

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Jesus is not God.

you are going to die in your sins if you continue in your unbelief. John 8:24

to the Son He says:
Your throne, O God, is forever and ever"
(Hebrews 1:8)​

God calls Jesus God.
you call God a liar.
guess how that's going to shake out?

the transfiguration is testimony that Christ Jesus is the LORD in the midst of the shekinah glory; that is why Moses & Elijah are there - eye witnesses to Him who dwells in the cloud, speaking from the whirlwind. two witnesses.

everyone who rejects Him is condemned already; those who believe receive eternal life
 

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The LORD ≠ The Messenger of the LORD

read Judges 13.
read Exodus 3.

you are a blasphemer; you reject the scripture and reject God, refusing to believe Him, and you go around here preaching heresy and false doctrine like it's nothing.

you will die in your sins if you do not believe Him. John 8:24.
i am rebuking you, protecting the sheep of the church of God which God Himself, Christ Jesus, purchased with His own blood. Acts 20:28

your mouth will be stopped. Titus 1:11
 
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Right, this is the LORD

Revelation 2:8 -- Christ Jesus is The First and The Last. He is I AM THAT I AM, the LORD God Almighty, the Eternal Father. Isaiah 9:6, Isaiah 48:12

you will die in your sins if you continue to refuse to believe Him. John 8:24

drink the water of life, and never thirst again -- why do you heap condemnation on yourself?