nice try
But John meant what he said. Paul can not contradict John.
Our discussion is about belief why did you try to change it? Either way you have three strikes
1. Again. Paul did not contradict John
2. Jesus said whoever believed HAS eternal life, Will NEVER die. Will Live forever, and will be risen on the last day (john 3,4 5 and 6) What you are preaching is conditional life. Not eternal
3. Jesus is all knowing. You have him giving eternal life to people he KNOWs will not "endure to the end" As I am sure you put it.
Is God this inept?
This is my part one: I’ve got so many examples against OSAS, it will need at least two parts:
Jesus rejects the lukewarm and spews them out Revelation 3:16.
Jesus warns the church at Sardis in Revelation 3 that they are DEAD ( though they have a false reputation of being alive) and warns them that they must REPENT, because most of them have defiled their righteousness- (white robes are the saints righteousness, says scripture)- because they had defiled their robes - then says that those who fail to be overcomes will have their names blotted out of the book of life.
There’s no OSAS there.
The church at Laodicea was even worse off - they hadn’t just defined their white robes, which are the righteousness of saints - they lost their righteousness completely,
thus had lost their robes, and were COMPLETELY NAKED, but didn’t even know it, because they thought they were still clothed and in need of nothing - and they are also warned to repent.
There’s no OSAS there, either.
In 1 Corinthians 15, Paul says they had heard him preach the gospel, had received it, and stand in it, and they are saved:
1Co 15:1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
1Co 15:2 By which also
ye are saved,
That’s it, right? Done deal, their salvation forever settled, end of debate, OSAS is true.
EXCEPT.
Paul’s next words make their salvation
conditional, by warning them that though they’d heard the gospel, received it, stand i it, and ARE SAVED, that they can end up believing IN VAIN,
if they don’t keep in mind all that he taught them:
1Co 15:1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
1Co 15:2 By which also ye are saved,
IF ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have BELIEVED IN VAIN.
What was it that Paul taught them that they had to keep in memory that he had preached to them, that can affect their salvation, and cause their receiving the gospel, standing in it, and being saved, to be IN VAIN?
He taught them that he has to control and subjugate his flesh daily, lest after preaching to others, he himself would end up a CASTAWAY - adokimos in the Greek. - a reprobate (rejected by God as one that failed the test).
1Co 9:27 But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.
By subjugation of his body, Paul refers to the flesh, the fleshly desire to sin, i e, commit works of the flesh, as seen in another of Paul’s warnings to the saints, to the brethren against being DECEIVED:
Gal 5:16 This - I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil
the lust of the flesh.
Gal 5:17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
Gal 5:18
But IF ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
Gal 5:19 Now the WORKS OF THE FLESH are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Gal 5:20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
Gal 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like:
of the which I tell YOU again, as I have also told youin time past, that they which DO such things shall NOT inherit the kingdom of God.
He warned the brethren to examine themselves to see if they were still in the faith, or had become reprobate:
2Co 13:5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?
Paul in fact gave warning after warning to the brethren, to be not deceived, about the consequences of living a lifestyle of sinning, such as being an adulterer, or drunkard, or thief, etc.
He warned the brethren that some of them were THIEVES because they’d defrauded their brethren, then warned the church against being deceived into thinking they could steal, or commit other serious sins, and still enter into the kingdom of heaven
1Co 6:8 Nay, ye do wrong, and DEFRAUD, and that your - BRETHREN.
1Co 6:9 Know
ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? BE NOT DECEIVED, neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
1Co 6:10 Nor THIEVES (such as those who DEFRAUD the BRETHREN) nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, SHALL INHERIT THE KINGDOM OF GOD.
Notice in verse 11 he states that some of the brethren used to live that way, but stopped after salvation - but we’ve already seen that some of them were ALSO living in sin by defrauding their brethren and stealing from them:
1Co 6:11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
There’s no OSAS in Paul’s many warnings to the brethren and saints about living sinfully as believers.
Eph 5:3 But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh SAINTS.
Eph 5:4 Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks.
Eph 5:5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath ANY inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
Eph 5:6 Let no man
DECEIVE YOU with vain words: for because of these things cometh the WRATH of God upon the
children of disobedience.
Eph 5:7 Be not YE therefore partakers WITH them.
OSAS is the deception Paul keeps warning us about.
The next verse makes even more clear that the warning against living a lifestyle of sexual sins in Ephesians 5:3 above, is to the BRETHREN:
1Th 4:3 For this is the will of God, YOUR SANCTIFICATION: that you abstain from sexual immorality;
1Th 4:4 that each one of you know how to control his own body in holiness and honor,
1Th 4:5 not in the passion of lust like the Gentiles who do not know God;
1Th 4:6 that no one transgress and wrong his BROTHER in this matter, because the Lord is an avenger in all these things, as we told you beforehand and solemnly WARNED you.
1Th 4:7 For God has not called us for impurity, but in holiness.
1Th 4:8 Therefore whoever disregards this, disregards not man but God, who gives his Holy Spirit to you.
Our sanctification is to abstain from sexual immorality, verse 3, above.
OSAS is bogus doctrine.
