When You See the Abomination of Desolation Stand in the Holy Place

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Waiting on him

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I cannot accept this chronology. Not that Jesus was wrong. Jesus declared the end:

14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

Then verse 15 and on starts from the end and works back through time until the Second Coming.
Colossians 1:23 KJV
[23] If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;
Paul said it was a done deal.
 

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1....A Temple...what is it or, what is its significance...or, what is its purpose?
2....The daily sacrifice...what is it or, what is its significance....or, what is its purpose?

This needs to be clear before any further understanding.
The temple is the the heart of the born again, this is where the eternal Christ dwells.
 

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Hi Jay,

I find Scripture to be much simpler than you do, I think.

Much love!

Hi Mark,

Just because you like a simpler understanding of the scriptures to suit your POV, that does not mean that your understanding of scripture and POV with respect to your simpler understanding of scripture, is correct.

Just because you have suggested that I do not find scripture as simple as you are suggesting it is and prefer, that does not make my understanding of scripture wrong. It is your preferred understanding of scripture that is complicating what I post as it is stopping your laughing matter from getting around what I post.

Only time will confirm who has the better understanding of scripture and the end times, and as I said previous in my last post, we will both probably be dead long before that is confirmed.

Now you have a good day, you hear me.
 

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You might consider this, marks....the temple being God's corporate Church......the daily sacrifice being none other than Jesus.

Bricks and mortar or tents, ie, physical structures where only ever symbols as were the daily sacrifices. The reality is embodied in God's plan of Salvation. It is this plan that is ever being thwarted by the enemy. Can you join the dots in this regard?
Basically you are saying this speaks of something that is happening metaphorically on an individual level through the ages? Do I understand correctly?

Much love!
 

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2 Thessalonians 2:3-5 KJV
3) Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4) Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
5) Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?

To everyone who considers this passage metaphorical, what is the "man of sin"?

Let's put these pieces together and see what picture emerges.

Much love!
 

marks

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Just because you like a simpler understanding of the scriptures to suit your POV, that does not mean that your understanding of scripture and POV with respect to your simpler understanding of scripture, is correct.
And it doesn't mean it's not. But I think it makes it easier to explain.

:)

Much love!
 

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To everyone who considers this passage metaphorical,
Why not give the information in a clearly presented way? Isn't that how Paul normally wrote? Personally I find his writing clear and precise, for the most part. At least, once I have come to receive these truths unfiltered.

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2 Thessalonians 2:3-5 KJV
3) Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4) Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
5) Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?

To everyone who considers this passage metaphorical, what is the "man of sin"?

Let's put these pieces together and see what picture emerges.

Much love!
He was me, sit sitting where he shouldn’t….. so Jesus came along and said your in my seat,,,, I tried to bow up but He destroyed me resurrected me anew and now He allows me to sit in His throne with Him.
 
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The temple is the the heart of the born again, this is where the eternal Christ dwells.
The ancient Jewish Temple is a collective of functions which in themselves are symbols of The plan of Salvation.
Just as there is no intrinsic value in the blood of a slain animal so there is no intrinsic value in a Temple structure.

The value is in what these things are a symbol of. It is the reality that is being attacked by misrepresentation.....by ascribing value to that which intrinsically has no value....by elevating the symbol so as to eclipse the reality.

And what is the reality that all symbolism points to? It is none other than Jesus. Any scholar that does not recognise this is off on his own tangent just as the Jews were off on theirs re circumcision (another symbol)

Paul Labours to make this clear.
 
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He was me, sit sitting where he shouldn’t….. so Jesus came along and said your in my seat,,,, I tried to bow up but He destroyed me resurrected me anew and now He allows me to sit in His throne with Him.
Question . . . When Paul says that day will not come, what day is that?

Much love!
 

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The ancient Jewish Temple is a collective of functions which in themselves are symbols of The plan of Salvation.
Just as there is no intrinsic value in the blood of a slain animal so there is no intrinsic value in a Temple structure.

The value is in what these things are a symbol of. It is the reality that is being attacked by misrepresentation.....by ascribing value to that which intrinsically has no value....by elevating the symbol so as to eclipse the reality.

And what is the reality that all symbolism points to? It is none other than Jesus. Any scholar that does not recognise this is off on his own tangent just as the Jews were off on theirs re circumcision (another symbol)

Paul Labours to make this clear.
His labor wasn’t in vain, so many today are earthly, spiritually nearsighted even myopic.
 

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and do you really think that Daniel under inspiration was referring to bricks and mortar?
Absolutely.

And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate. (Daniel 11:31)

When Daniel wrote this, the temple of Solomon had been destroyed. There was no sanctuary or holy place in Jerusalem. Yet he spoke of some evildoers working on behalf of the Antichrist to literally pollute a sanctuary of "bricks and mortar" (constructed with far better materials). So Daniel was prophesying by divine inspiration, knowing full well that there would be a future temple in Jerusalem. Just like Jesus, Paul, and John prophesied of the same thing.
 
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You might consider this, marks....the temple being God's corporate Church......the daily sacrifice being none other than Jesus.
Why wouldn't Paul just say those things if that were what he meant?

Why would he say the man of sin sits in the temple of God showing himself to be God, and that within an eschatological context, if what he were really intending to communicate that we are ruled by our flesh until we are reborn, or something like that? Considering that he wrote much content just like that, detailed, clearly stated, about our spiritual realities?

And then there is the other question.

If God were intending to tell us that there would be a man of sin who would be counterfeiting God in a temple built for God, I'm wondering, how would He go about saying that?

Much love!
 

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The ancient Jewish Temple is a collective of functions which in themselves are symbols of The plan of Salvation.
Just as there is no intrinsic value in the blood of a slain animal so there is no intrinsic value in a Temple structure.

The value is in what these things are a symbol of. It is the reality that is being attacked by misrepresentation.....by ascribing value to that which intrinsically has no value....by elevating the symbol so as to eclipse the reality.

And what is the reality that all symbolism points to? It is none other than Jesus. Any scholar that does not recognise this is off on his own tangent just as the Jews were off on theirs re circumcision (another symbol)

Paul Labours to make this clear.
Really blows me away that professing Christians would think that Paul speaking to 1st century Christians in Theselonica, would identify the temple as some building made with hands. It’s quite obscured. Especially since he was the one standing the consenting to the stoning of Steven.
 

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Basically you are saying this speaks of something that is happening metaphorically on an individual level through the ages? Do I understand correctly?

Much love!
No, I'm saying that God used a physical structure (the temple) to foreshadow the Plan of Salvation.....this plan the Jewish nation has denied and rejected in favour of the investing value into the physical and thereby denying the spiritual. Christianity at large is in the same danger.
 

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2 Thessalonians 2:3-5 KJV
3) Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4) Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
5) Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?

To everyone who considers this passage metaphorical, what is the "man of sin"?

Let's put these pieces together and see what picture emerges.

Much love!
The man of sin is the man who misrepresents God's Salvation Plan ....embodied in Jesus
 
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Absolutely.

And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate. (Daniel 11:31)

When Daniel wrote this, the temple of Solomon had been destroyed. There was no sanctuary or holy place in Jerusalem. Yet he spoke of some evildoers working on behalf of the Antichrist to literally pollute a sanctuary of "bricks and mortar" (constructed with far better materials). So Daniel was prophesying by divine inspiration, knowing full well that there would be a future temple in Jerusalem. Just like Jesus, Paul, and John prophesied of the same thing.
You have not understood what Paul has laboured for and why!
 
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