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amigo de christo

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No, the Holy Ghost leads to the all of the answers, the complete and correct answers, but each time any one of us quenches the Holy Spirit within he hinders or even stops progress toward that goal. The goal it to be perfect as God is perfect. The goal is to overcome the world as Jesus overcame the world. The means has been provided via the written scriptures and the quickening Spirit, the Holy Ghost.

All of the churches when they set up their schedules and their programs, try to program God Himself rather than allowing God to lead the Way. They limit God as those in the OT limited God.



Any time we allow men to lead us instead of God it is dangerous. If our heart is right
hungering for the right things who can be a danger to us... no matter what physical place of men we find ourselves in for whatever reason?

"Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled." Matt 5:6

I met God for the first time in memory when I was being baptized in water in the Catholic Church. It was not the place God wanted me to remain, but how could I know that? It was 26 years later before He showed me really how to come out of there. Then I heard His voice: "Come out of her"! I had become one of His sheep or rather just a helpless little lamb but it was a real start along the highway of holiness.




I had a whole lot of head knowledge from the Catholics, from the public school system, from my military service time, from my college education time. Lots to unlearn starting repeatedly from the lowest room. I still strive to start there again each day so that He may increase me as He sees fit.

"When thou art bidden of any man to a wedding, sit not down in the highest room; lest a more honourable man than thou be bidden of him;
And he that bade thee and him come and say to thee, Give this man place; and thou begin with shame to take the lowest room.
But when thou art bidden, go and sit down in the lowest room; that when he that bade thee cometh, he may say unto thee, Friend, go up higher: then shalt thou have worship in the presence of them that sit at meat with thee.
For whosoever exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted." Luke 14:8-11
March onward in the glorious Lord . Having all hope above on Him . Times will only get more delusional and far worse
The lambs wait for our King from heaven . Who said marvel not if the world hates you , it hated Me first .
IF ye were of the world it would love you , but i have taken you out of the world , therefore the world will hate you .
march on my friend . March on . The servant is not above His master , if they have done these things to me
they will do them to you . Rejoice when you are counted worthy to suffer shame for the glorious Name of JESUS CHRIST .
 

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March onward in the glorious Lord . Having all hope above on Him . Times will only get more delusional and far worse
The lambs wait for our King from heaven . Who said marvel not if the world hates you , it hated Me first .
IF ye were of the world it would love you , but i have taken you out of the world , therefore the world will hate you .
march on my friend . March on . The servant is not above His master , if they have done these things to me
they will do them to you . Rejoice when you are counted worthy to suffer shame for the glorious Name of JESUS CHRIST .
Speaking personally, I have zero problem with ANYone's love of Christ-- in fact I celebrate that.
But I naturally have major problems when somebody goes around bad-mouthing others and/or spreading bad information about what they I or others believe/are/practice. I'm sorry, but there's zero way I can accept such as anything as sinful and completely un-loving.
 
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Speaking personally, I have zero problem with ANYone's love of Christ-- in fact I celebrate that.
But I naturally have major problems when somebody goes around bad-mouthing others and/or spreading bad information about what they I or others believe/are/practice. I'm sorry, but there's zero way I can accept such as anything as sinful and completely un-loving.
What you need to do is examine WHAT JESUS they love .
IS it the biblical one , or is it one that feeds their flesh .
Thus , let us learn the biblical one . I have heard many say they love JESUS, only to find out its another jesus . And that jesus
is not capitalized for a reason . Cause it aint JESUS .
 

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What you need to do is examine WHAT JESUS they love .
IS it the biblical one , or is it one that feeds their flesh .
Thus , let us learn the biblical one . I have heard many say they love JESUS, only to find out its another jesus . And that jesus
is not capitalized for a reason . Cause it aint JESUS .
I get the feeling my words are falling on deaf ears.
 

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I get the feeling my words are falling on deaf ears.
Just ponder on what i said . Examine the JESUS that folks follow . IF it feeds the flesh , IT AINT JESUS at all .
Its another Jesus . we got prosperity gosple jesus , we got emergent church jesus , we got quite a few versions
of Christ getting taught . But most all of them i have examined , contradict the biblical one .
And that is super scary , cause the only one i know who would come in as an angel of light
and yet say , HAS JESUS REALLY said this or that , nay it says , ye are under grace ye can do , for God is love .
ITS FEEDS the flesh . And that aint JESUS that is he who plays as JESUS , at work brining another image of Christ
another image of God . If we claim we love Christ then the evidence would be seen in what we do and say .
And none of his teachings would be heavy or a burden to us . They would be as the fresh pure honey that drips
from the honeycomb . I am just saying , examine their version of JESUS , their version of God .
For satan can appear as an angel of light . And HE KNOWS how to deceive . ITs always gonna be something
that causes disobediance . And he knows how to twist those scrips to justify an action that would justify Disobediance to GOD .
My advice , crack open those bibles and feast and feast and then feast some more .
 

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Just ponder on what i said . Examine the JESUS that folks follow . IF it feeds the flesh , IT AINT JESUS at all .
Its another Jesus . we got prosperity gosple jesus , we got emergent church jesus , we got quite a few versions
of Christ getting taught . But most all of them i have examined , contradict the biblical one .
And that is super scary , cause the only one i know who would come in as an angel of light
and yet say , HAS JESUS REALLY said this or that , nay it says , ye are under grace ye can do , for God is love .
ITS FEEDS the flesh . And that aint JESUS that is he who plays as JESUS , at work brining another image of Christ
another image of God . If we claim we love Christ then the evidence would be seen in what we do and say .
And none of his teachings would be heavy or a burden to us . They would be as the fresh pure honey that drips
from the honeycomb . I am just saying , examine their version of JESUS , their version of God .
For satan can appear as an angel of light . And HE KNOWS how to deceive . ITs always gonna be something
that causes disobediance . And he knows how to twist those scrips to justify an action that would justify Disobediance to GOD .
My advice , crack open those bibles and feast and feast and then feast some more .
Yeah... this is totally unproductive.
 

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Yeah... this is totally unproductive.
I have no idea why you are getting upset .
What i say is simple truth . Paul seen it too . If one comes preaching ANOTHER JESUS or you recieve another Spirit
or another gospel , You just bear with it and go with the flow .
This might make it easier .
Let us say you needed a plumber . And i told you JOSE RODRIGUEZ is the man you need . HE can fix it up for you .
Then you open a phone book and see over fifty names with the name of Jose Rodriguez . YOU know they are not all
the JOSE RODRIGUEZ you need .
THUS Too goes it within many denominations . THEY can holler JESUS
But if they are not pointing you to the biblical one , Dont expect to be saved . CAUSE ONLY the biblical JESUS
aka the ONE IN THAT BIBLE . THAT ONE SAVES and no other jesus can .
 

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It is the perfection in us to be accomplished by the work of the Holy Spirit in us? If we quench the Holy Spirit as people are taught to do in most [all?] church settings, is not the work of God in us hindered? What are the promises made to overcomers? Is it not by the power of the Holy Ghost that anyone is enabled to overcome as Jesus overcame?
I think it's by the blood of Christ (the complete propitiation of sin) and by the word of our testimony ( which is itself empowered by the Holy Spirit, the Witness of God within us.)

And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony, and they did not love their lives to the death. Revelation 12:11
 

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There is a problem with your argument here. You say Christians are to live by faith rather than knowledge, but the Bible disagrees with you in at least 3 passages:

- 2 Pet. 3:18: "but grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ"
- Rom. 10:27: "So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God."
- Eph. 4:13: "till we all come to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a perfect man, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ;"

A professing Christian cannot live by faith if they don't have the knowledge that is supposed to accompany and build saving faith.
You left out one of the most important verses:
My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge. Because you have rejected knowledge, I also will reject you from being priest for Me; Because you have forgotten the law of your God, I also will forget your children. Hosea 4:6
Even so, knowledge is necessary to develop discernment, but it doesn't save. Jesus saves.
 
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Well its seven oclock my friends . SO ROLL Those praises out unto the LORD . LET the LORD BE Praised .
A day that ends with Y in the english language IS A DAY TO PRAISE THE LORD .
Three hundred and sixty five days a year and on leap year make it three hundred and double six .
LET THE KING BE PRAISED . Every day , LET THE LORD BE PRAISED .
 

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I think it's by the blood of Christ (the complete propitiation of sin) and by the word of our testimony ( which is itself empowered by the Holy Spirit, the Witness of God within us.)

And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony, and they did not love their lives to the death. Revelation 12:11
Yes, the blood, but not the red blood shed on Calvary but the Holy Spirit shed abroad on the Day of Pentecost as per Acts 2. The Holy Spirit is the Life Blood of the Body of Christ which does not make our garments red, but white!.

"And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb." Rev 7:14
 

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Weren't they confused about what they believed was the Way to heaven? Isn't that the problem with most [all?] the physical organized church groups today? Why are there hundreds [thousands?] of different ways calling themselves the best way or the right way?

God confused their tongues so they they would have the opportunity to encounter on their own, each one, Way which was not confused. While they were united in their confusion, the blind followers would follow close behind the blind leaders. We, on the other hand, are to follow the Light, one step at a time. God will help us if and when we ask for His help. Without Him we can do nothing and even separated from that initial tower of confusion, we will walk in our own ways of confusion. Probably most of the people walking away from the first Tower of Babel walk then immediately into or toward another one.

"O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it is not in man that walketh to direct his steps" Jerem 10:23
Even the word "Babel" itself has 2 meanings in my concordance. In Hebrew it means "confusion," but in Assyrian it means "heaven's gate." I think that you have a pretty solid understanding.
 
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Yes, the blood, but not the red blood shed on Calvary but the Holy Spirit shed abroad on the Day of Pentecost as per Acts 2. The Holy Spirit is the Life Blood of the Body of Christ which does not make our garments red, but white!.

"And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb." Rev 7:14
I've never heard of the Holy Spirit being associated with the blood of Christ. Usually the Holy Spirit is compared to wind or breath. The original Hebrew used the word "ruach" or breath when referring to the Holy Spirit.
We overcome by the blood of the lamb by trusting in its sufficiency to cover our sin without the need for additions on our part. When the accuser accuses, we have that knowledge that our sin is forgiven in Christ.
Blessed is the man to whom the Lord shall not impute sin.” Romans 4:8
You'll note that the verse doesn't say "blessed is the man who doesn't sin," but blessed is the man to whom the Lord shall not impute sin.
 
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Our carnal mind can only take us so far in our Spiritual Growth, and it is not the Organ by which we Know The person of Truth (Jesus is the Truth). We come to Know Him with the mind of Christ, that is His Spirit in us.

But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God. For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual. But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man. For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ. (1 Corinthians 2: 10-16)

The Spirit of Truth will guide us into all truth, Not into falsehood, That takes faith in something other than our mind and intellect to accomplish. All who worship God must do so in Spirit and in Truth, and in so doing they will be conforming to the Truth of the Word of God, without compromise and without error, Like a ship sailing in the wind It will go where the wind is pointing and the wind is pointing to the truth. Now we can fight against the wind and place our oars in the water, But we are eventually going to tire of fighting the wind.

The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit. (John 3:8)

This is the point we all must reach in our Christian walk where the Spirit can finally begin to teach us, the point where we need help understanding, like a child who is dependent on their parents for guidance, this being the faith of a child. It is only then that we see how little we have of what he has to offer us, the abundant riches of his grace, and that we begin to hunger and thirst for more of Jesus. Everything else is just a substitute for these riches, and promotes Babylon.

The example was Brought up of Jerusalem being Babylon vs. Rome being Babylon, I Have seen this debated for years on prophecy forums and sites, and it is probably still going on on those same forums to this day. Both are missing the Point, and both are perpetuating the confusion, and are ever learning and never arriving at the truth. (2 Timothy 3:7) In Other words in arguing what is Babylon using human intellect alone they fail to see that they are the ones who are Babylon.

Others here have Spoken of the seven churches, what most are missing is that we are the church, and those churches are prone to error and correction and require overcoming of those errors. In scripture the church is portrayed as a woman. at times she is portrayed as a virgin, at other times as a mother and at other times as a harlot, the same for the nation of Israel. All these portrayals show her standing whether betrothed, Married and consumated, or Apostate and wicked, they are all the church. In Revelation we see the seven churches, we see the woman in the wilderness producing offspring and we see the woman riding on the beast coming out of the wilderness as a harlot. This is what happens to those who fail to reach the point of being Spirit taught, and they continue in their confusion and being sure of themselves to their destruction.

I Have been walking on eggshells in this post, because this is such a delicate topic. I am NOT saying do not contend for the faith, and expose heretical teachings, That too must be carried out and many are called to this. What I am saying is we can never reach the point of having it all figured out, because when we do WE stop growing. When we stop growing Spiritually the church stops growing Spiritually and all the errors you point to in the church point to your own Spiritual immaturity, as we are the church.

It has been said that each successive generation of seed is a little weaker than the one previous it. If the season was a healthy year, the plant grew strong and had plenty of water it's seed would be bountiful as well. If there was a drought, and harsh weather conditions that seed would be even weaker and may not produce as well as the one before it, and may even result in a famine. As we live our Christian life, we are that Plant, we need the water of the Spirit to thrive, if we do not get enough water we will not bear fruit, let alone pass down seed to the next harvest, resulting in a famine in the Land. It is easy to point the finger at others as being the harlot of Revelation but it is our responsibility to act to prevent this by first pointing the finger at ourselves as the culprit for the confusion by mixing, and coming to our knees in repentance and seeking to be led and taught by the Spirit. Only then can we worship in Spirit and in truth and in the Unity of the Spirit....
The letters to the 7 churches are actually written to the angels of the 7 churches with the addition of to "anyone with an ear to hear". The Lord doesn't threaten to remove our "lamp stand" but the angel's lamp stand. If the average person on this site can't receive the plain English meaning of scripture, how can they receive anything spiritual?
 

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I've never heard of the Holy Spirit being associated with the blood of Christ. Usually the Holy Spirit is compared to wind or breath. The original Hebrew used the word "ruach" or breath when referring to the Holy Spirit.
We overcome by the blood of the lamb by trusting in its sufficiency to cover our sin without the need for additions on our part. When the accuser accuses, we have that knowledge that our sin is forgiven in Christ.
Blessed is the man to whom the Lord shall not impute sin.” Romans 4:8
You'll note that the verse doesn't say "blessed is the man who doesn't sin," but blessed is the man to whom the Lord shall not impute sin.
It is not a new thing really but since apparently none of the main stream church groups teach it not many people have heard of it. I heard of it first many years ago. Just remember the red blood is necessary of the physical body of a man to remain alive. The Body of Christ is not the same but consists of the parts which are the new man of a born again or born from above man... The Holy Spirit connects the various parts to each other and to the Head which is Jesus.

"[God] Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life." II Cor 3:6

That is the Holy Spirit or the quickening Spirit that "giveth Life" the Life that Jesus brought making it available to whosoever will.
 

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Weren't they confused about what they believed was the Way to heaven? Isn't that the problem with most [all?] the physical organized church groups today? Why are there hundreds [thousands?] of different ways calling themselves the best way or the right way?

God confused their tongues so they they would have the opportunity to encounter on their own, each one, Way which was not confused. While they were united in their confusion, the blind followers would follow close behind the blind leaders. We, on the other hand, are to follow the Light, one step at a time. God will help us if and when we ask for His help. Without Him we can do nothing and even separated from that initial tower of confusion, we will walk in our own ways of confusion. Probably most of the people walking away from the first Tower of Babel walk then immediately into or toward another one.

"O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it is not in man that walketh to direct his steps" Jerem 10:23

Gen 11:5 And the LORD came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of men builded.

Gen 11:6 And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do.

Gen 11:7 Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech.

Gen 11:8 So the LORD scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth: and they left off to build the city.

Gen 11:9 Therefore the name of it is called Babel; because the LORD did there confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the LORD scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth.
 

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Just as purely political and secular Zionism alone wasn't enough to establish the Jewish state—it also took the support of devout Jews and Christians who embraced the Bible—it's time for a new, global Zionist movement to bring together a diverse group of Jews and Christians, whose reasons for supporting Israel and the Jewish people may be varied, but whose commitment is just as ironclad.

A new generation must proudly embrace Zionism—not biblical Zionism or secular Zionism, not a Christian Zionism or a Jewish Zionism, but a Big-Tent Zionism that begins unashamedly with our pastors and rabbis whose belief in the Bible animates their support for Israel and the Jewish people.

Then, every church and every synagogue will become a mini-embassy for the Zionist cause.
I Found this on a news article today . MY GOODNESS JERUSALEM IS GONNA RULE the WORLD .
THEY are snaring the churches into a big we are one TENT ZIONISM . The world religoins will be as one and centered in JERUSALEM .
My advice is , COME OUT FROM AMONGST THEM NOW if any Is a part of these movements .
JESUS CHRIST and the original gospel must be the center . ROME is behind this , as is the kabala loving jews who reject JESUS .
THIS is about making the world as one . Rome has long sung this song . And ROME is in on this as well . Many sing
a song of the abraham accord . BUT A LIE this song is . For what does it profit a man though he be born jewish or gentile
IF JESUS is not confessed and believed on as the ONLY savoir .
The flesh profits nothing . The flesh profits nothing . It matters not if i were born a jew , what matters is DO I KNOW JESUS .
We must be on guard cause this web has many angles , but those angles are all leading the world to be as one .
Big Tent Zionism, Laughable!

Zionist Deception!

Jews are no more chosen, than another "race" upon earth

For God So Loved The "World"!

John 3:16KJV
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Romans 2:11KJV
11 For there is no respect of persons with God.
 
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Mystery Babylon is a Muslim nation.
Jerusalem is not only NOT destroyed - as mystery Babylon is - Jerusalem is saved from destruction by Jesus Himself, Zechariah 14. In verse 5 He returns to mount Olive where He ascended from. Read the rest. Jesus saves that city FROM destruction.
Your claim is "False"

Zechariah 14:1-12 below shows the Lords return to earth in fire in final judgement.

(Verse 1) shows "The Day Of The Lord" also seen in 2 Peter 3:10-13 "Fire Judgement" below

(Verse 2) Shows that all nations are gathered for the final battle of armageddon.

(Verses 3-5) shows the Lords return, and his eternal feet touch down on the earthly Mt, of Olives, and in the "Twinkling Of An Eye" 1 Cor 15:52 takes place, in the catching up, resurrection, final judgement by fire, and the New Heavens, Earth, and Jerusalem being revealed for eternity, judgement complete, eternity begins.

(Verses 6-7) Eternal light seen, in the eternal kingdom, Rev 22:1-5

(Verse 8) The river of life is seen, Rev 22:1-5

(Verse 10) The New creation is being revealed, the plain is lifted up.

(Verse 12) "The Day Of The Lord" showing the "Last Day" judgement by the Lords fire, as men are consumed as they stand on their feet, 2 Peter 3:10-13

2 Peter 3:10KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Revelation 22:1KJV
And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.

"The Eternal Kingdom"!

Zechariah 14:1-12KJV
14 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
3 Then shall the Lord go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which
is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
5 And ye shall flee
to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the Lord my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.
6 And it shall come to pass in that day,
that the light shall not be clear, nor dark:
7 but it shall be one day which shall be known to the Lord, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass,
that at evening time it shall be light.
8 And
it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.
9 And the Lordshall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one Lord, and his name one.
10 All the land shall be turned as a plain from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem: and it shall be lifted up, and inhabited in her place, from Benjamin’s gate unto the place of the first gate, unto the corner gate, and
from the tower of Hananeel unto the king’s winepresses.
11 And
men shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more utter destruction; but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.
 

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So I'm thinking about all the people from all walks of life that came to Jesus in the Bible.
Sometimes they didn't come to him, but he went to them.
You have the lepers, and the blind man, the woman with the issue of blood, the centurion, and the man beat up on the side of the road, the rich man, the poor man and the beggar man too.
Each one coming from different life styles, different statures in business, trade, or jus poor.
Jesus didn't heal each one in exactly the same way. He didn't say the exact same thing to all of them.
Each one was on their own path, but all paths led to the one way.

Now there were some who were on their own paths that never joined that one way. They just kept on beating blindly at wall because they refused to use the door.

It's like today, everyone wants to have this sameness. This is the only way..
And if that were so, then why did the bible sho us so many different examples of how people came to Jesus or how he came to them?

I agree Jesus is the only way. But I believe there are an unlimited amounts of ways to find him or to be found by him.

Just thinking...
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