jacobtaylor
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I wish more people understood literary device?
"The image eikoon (NT:1504). In predicate and no article. On eikoon (NT:1504), see 2 Cor 4:4; 3:18; Rom 8:29; Col 3:10. Jesus is the very stamp of God the Father as he was before the Incarnation (John 17:5) and is now (Phil 2:5-11; Heb 1:3).
Of the invisible God tou (NT:3588) Theou (NT:2316) tou (NT:3588) aoratou (NT:517). But the one who sees Jesus has seen God (John 14:9). See this verbal adjective a (NT:1), the alpha privative ("not"), and horaoo (NT:3708) in Rom 1:20.
The first born proototokos (NT:4416). Predicate adjective again and anarthrous. This passage is parallel to the Logos (NT:3056) passage in John 1:1-18 and to Heb 1:1-4 as well as Phil 2:5-11 in which these three writers (John, author of Hebrews, Paul) give the high conception of the Person of Christ (both Son of God and Son of Man) found also in the Synoptic Gospels and even in Q (the Father, the Son). This word (the Septuagint and the New Testament) can no longer be considered purely "Biblical" (Thayer), since it is found in inscriptions (Deissmann, Light, etc., p. 91) and in the papyri (Moulton and Milligan, Vocabulary, etc.). See it already in Luke 2:7 and Codex Sinaiticus ('Aleph) for Matt 1:25; Rom 8:29. The use of this word does not show what Arius argued that Paul regarded Christ as a creature like "all creation" pasees (NT:3956) ktiseoos (NT:2937), by metonomy the act regarded as result)]. It is rather the comparative (superlative) force of prootos (NT:4413) that is used (first-born of all creation) as in Col 1:18; Rom 8:29; Heb 1:6; 12:23; Rev 1:5. Paul is here refuting the Gnostics who pictured Christ as one of the aeons by placing him before "all creation" (angels and men). Like eikoon (NT:1504) we find proototokos (NT:4416) in the Alexandrian vocabulary of the Logos teaching (Philo) as well as in the Septuagint. Paul takes both words to help express the deity of Jesus Christ in his relation to the Father as eikoon (NT:1504) (Image) and to the universe as proototokos (NT:4416) (First-born)."
(from Robertson's Word Pictures in the New Testament, Electronic Database. Copyright © 1997 by Biblesoft & Robertson's Word Pictures in the New Testament. Copyright © 1985 by Broadman Press)
I see your not going to provide some scriptural evidence proving Gen 18 is not Jesus "Lord" pre NT. You still only wish to quote NT passages that support your thesis Jesus or God didn't appear or have a likeness of man before Jesus NT. I'm done making my point, you simply see and read what you like to see and understand.
John 6:45-46
[sup]45[/sup] It is written in the prophets, ‘And they shall all be taught by God.’[sup][e][/sup] Therefore everyone who has heard and learned[sup][f][/sup] from the Father comes to Me. [sup]46[/sup] Not that anyone has seen the Father, except He who is from God; He has seen the Father.
John 5:37
[sup]37[/sup] And the Father Himself, who sent Me, has testified of Me. You have neither heard His voice at any time, nor seen His form.
Like I said you refuse to admit th Lord in Gen 18 that Abraham bowed and said O Lord, can be non other than Jesus.