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VictoryinJesus

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Except (Imo) they descend before they ascend.

in the Old Testament there is a passage of rising and falling, rising and falling like the waves of the sea …the waves rise up and then fall, rise up and then fall, rise up and then fall…tumultuous, tossed to and fro. Consider how many times a man rises and falls? I remember thinking when I read that passage how many times does a man rise and fall? seven times?? Also consider the verse of having no one to help that man up when he falls. Or when Peter begun to sink. Hoping the Lord sets us out of the waves on sure stable ground…James 1:8-10 A double minded man is unstable in all his ways. [9] Let the brother of low degree rejoice in that he is exalted: [10] But the rich, in that he is made low: because as the flower of the grass he shall pass away.
 

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Isaiah 26:1-6 In that day shall this song be sung in the land of Judah; We have a strong city; salvation will God appoint for walls and bulwarks. [2] Open ye the gates, that the righteous nation which keepeth the truth may enter in. [3] Thou wilt keep him in perfect peace, whose mind is stayed on thee : because he trusteth in thee. [4] Trust ye in the Lord for ever: for in the Lord Jehovah is everlasting strength: [5] For he bringeth down them that dwell on high; the lofty city, he layeth it low; he layeth it low, even to the ground; he bringeth it even to the dust. [6] The foot shall tread it down, even the feet of the poor, and the steps of the needy.


Proverbs 16:19-20 Better it is to be of an humble spirit with the lowly, than to divide the spoil with the proud. [20] He that handleth a matter wisely shall find good: and whoso trusteth in the Lord, happy is he.
 

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Notice verse 44 …who is doing the speaking here …Christ Jesus 2 Samuel 22:26-44 With the merciful thou wilt shew thyself merciful, and with the upright man thou wilt shew thyself upright. [27] With the pure thou wilt shew thyself pure; and with the froward thou wilt shew thyself unsavoury. [28] And the afflicted people thou wilt save: but thine eyes are upon the haughty, that thou mayest bring them down. [29] For thou art my lamp, O Lord : and the Lord will lighten my darkness. [30] For by thee I have run through a troop: by my God have I leaped over a wall. [31] As for God, his way is perfect; the word of the Lord is tried: he is a buckler to all them that trust in him. [32] For who is God, save the Lord ? and who is a rock, save our God? [33] God is my strength and power: and he maketh my way perfect. [34] He maketh my feet like hinds' feet : and setteth me upon my high places. [35] He teacheth my hands to war; so that a bow of steel is broken by mine arms. [36] Thou hast also given me the shield of thy salvation: and thy gentleness hath made me great. [37] Thou hast enlarged my steps under me; so that my feet did not slip. [38] I have pursued mine enemies, and destroyed them; and turned not again until I had consumed them. [39] And I have consumed them, and wounded them, that they could not arise: yea, they are fallen under my feet. [40] For thou hast girded me with strength to battle: them that rose up against me hast thou subdued under me. [41] Thou hast also given me the necks of mine enemies, that I might destroy them that hate me. [42] They looked, but there was none to save; even unto the Lord, but he answered them not. [43] Then did I beat them as small as the dust of the earth, I did stamp them as the mire of the street, and did spread them abroad. [44] Thou also hast delivered me from the strivings of my people, thou hast kept me to be head of the heathen: a people which I knew not shall serve me.
 
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With the merciful thou wilt shew thyself merciful, and with the upright man thou wilt shew thyself upright. [27] With the pure thou wilt shew thyself pure; and with the froward thou wilt shew thyself unsavoury.


‘With the pure thou will show thyself pure’ …Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled. [16] They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate. Titus 1:15-16

‘and with the froward thou wilt shew thyself unsavoury.’ Job 6:6 Can that which is unsavoury be eaten without salt? or is there any taste in the white of an egg? Colossians 4:6 Let your speech be alway with grace, seasoned with salt, that ye may know how ye ought to answer every man.

2 Samuel 22:27 Lexicon: With the pure You show Yourself pure, And with the perverted You show Yourself astute.


Luke 19:21-23 For I feared thee, because thou art an austere man: thou takest up that thou layedst not down, and reapest that thou didst not sow. [22] And he saith unto him, Out of thine own mouth will I judge thee, thou wicked servant. Thou knewest that I was an austere man, taking up that I laid not down, John 10:17-18, and reaping that I did not sow: [23] Wherefore then gavest not thou my money into the bank, that at my coming I might have required mine own with usury?


a sign spoken against: “With the merciful thou wilt shew thyself merciful, and with the upright man thou wilt shew thyself upright. [27] With the pure thou wilt shew thyself pure; and with the froward thou wilt shew thyself unsavoury.”

1 Peter 4:14 If ye be reproached for the name of Christ, happy are ye ; for the spirit of glory and of God resteth upon you: on their part he is evil spoken of, but on your part he is glorified.
Again, ‘and with the froward thou wilt shew thyself unsavoury.’ Job 6:6 Can that which is unsavoury be eaten without salt? or is there any taste in the white of an egg? Colossians 4:6 Let your speech be alway with grace, seasoned with salt, that ye may know how ye ought to answer every man.
 

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it’s okay…I know you don’t mean to be hurtful. I waited a week to post this thread and ultimately probably shouldn’t have. He speaks to us all in different ways which I’ll never understand. My husband asked me today who am I trying to convince, you all or myself. My answer would be myself as I doubt so often and then He reveals something and I claim I’ll never doubt Him again, then I doubt again…especially when others disagree giving them the power to sway me. Basically reminding myself every day God is good.
For me this answers everything. No matter what my difficulty is - I have plenty I assure you, internal and external - I am lifted up out of it in reminding my self the goodness of God. At the end of the day, this is what I see to be both our own salvation and our unity with each other. That God has given us grace, because He is good, and we trust in Him.

I do not wish to engender doubt, I wish to promote believing, trusting, faith. I find that the more certain I am that I understand what is written, the stonger my faith is, so I study the Scriptures, always in prayer, to make sure I can know what God meant as best I can. What I learn I share with others.

But I would sooner fade into the woodwork than cause you to doubt your faith in the resurrected Christ.

Much love!
 
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For me this answers everything. No matter what my difficulty is - I have plenty I assure you, internal and external - I am lifted up out of it in reminding my self the goodness of God. At the end of the day, this is what I see to be both our own salvation and our unity with each other. That God has given us grace, because He is good, and we trust in Him.

I do not wish to engender doubt, I wish to promote believing, trusting, faith. I find that the more certain I am that I understand what is written, the stonger my faith is, so I study the Scriptures, always in prayer, to make sure I can know what God meant as best I can. What I learn I share with others.

But I would sooner fade into the woodwork than cause you to doubt your faith in the resurrected Christ.

Much love!

it is not your fault. It is mine in seeking some confirmation or approval from men. I do understand the above. The reason I read …have to read His word every day needing it as much as food …is for direction and guidance and counsel. Often feeling like I’m drowning. Sometimes I’ll wake up in the morning and the verse of the day will be exactly what I needed to hear. I don’t want to come off as only reading for knowledge. I think of the woman by the well that ran to others saying: He told me all I’ve ever did! What convinces me about His Word is: how no shrink or doctor or man comes close to Him. It is the convincing of: He told me all I’ve ever did! Does that make sense? So no, you don’t cause me doubt. It is my not listening to the guidance and counsel of God but instead waiting for some man to confirm and second it came from God for strength, “daily bread” for the day’s journey. Like some things in my life will be out of focus and I’ll panic, and He will help calm my fears…then I go to men and they say “that is not Him” and I agree quickly “you are right” and then I put my thumb back in my mouth doubting …my fault.
 
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it is not your fault. It is mine in seeking some confirmation or approval from men. I do understand the above. The reason I read …have to read His word every day needing it as much as food …is for direction and guidance and counsel. Often feeling like I’m drowning. Sometimes I’ll wake up in the morning and the verse of the day will be exactly what I needed to hear. I don’t want to come off as only reading for knowledge. I think of the woman by the well that ran to others saying: He told me all I’ve ever did! What convinces me about His Word is: how no shrink or doctor or man comes close to Him. It is the convincing of: He told me all I’ve ever did! Does that make sense? So no, you don’t cause me doubt. It is my not listening to the guidance and counsel of God but instead waiting for some man to confirm and second it came from God for strength, “daily bread” for the day’s journey. Like some things in my life will be out of focus and I’ll panic, and He will help calm my fears…then I go to men and they say “that is not Him” and I agree quickly “you are right” and then I put my thumb back in my mouth doubting …my fault.
An Authentic Disciple of Christ would always point towards Christ.
 

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We have our conversation in heaven, theirs on earthly matters with their hearts failing them for fear. Even something as simple as mosquito bites and they fall apart with terror in fear they’ll lose their lives.
 

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it is not your fault. It is mine in seeking some confirmation or approval from men. I do understand the above. The reason I read …have to read His word every day needing it as much as food …is for direction and guidance and counsel. Often feeling like I’m drowning. Sometimes I’ll wake up in the morning and the verse of the day will be exactly what I needed to hear. I don’t want to come off as only reading for knowledge. I think of the woman by the well that ran to others saying: He told me all I’ve ever did! What convinces me about His Word is: how no shrink or doctor or man comes close to Him. It is the convincing of: He told me all I’ve ever did! Does that make sense? So no, you don’t cause me doubt. It is my not listening to the guidance and counsel of God but instead waiting for some man to confirm and second it came from God for strength, “daily bread” for the day’s journey. Like some things in my life will be out of focus and I’ll panic, and He will help calm my fears…then I go to men and they say “that is not Him” and I agree quickly “you are right” and then I put my thumb back in my mouth doubting …my fault.
You may be surprised to know how much you wrote here mirrors me.

Much much love!
 
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Ezekiel 12:1-28 The word of the Lord also came unto me, saying, [2] Son of man, thou dwellest in the midst of a rebellious house, which have eyes to see, and see not; they have ears to hear, and hear not: for they are a rebellious house. [3] Therefore, thou son of man, prepare thee stuff for removing, and remove by day in their sight; and thou shalt remove from thy place to another place in their sight: it may be they will consider, though they be a rebellious house. [4] Then shalt thou bring forth thy stuff by day in their sight, as stuff for removing: and thou shalt go forth at even in their sight, as they that go forth into captivity. [5] Dig thou through the wall in their sight, and carry out thereby. [6] In their sight shalt thou bear it upon thy shoulders, and carry it forth in the twilight: thou shalt cover thy face, that thou see not the ground: for I have set thee for a sign unto the house of Israel. [7] And I did so as I was commanded: I brought forth my stuff by day, as stuff for captivity, and in the even I digged through the wall with mine hand; I brought it forth in the twilight, and I bare it upon my shoulder in their sight. [8] And in the morning came the word of the Lord unto me, saying, [9] Son of man, hath not the house of Israel, the rebellious house, said unto thee, What doest thou? [10] Say thou unto them, Thus saith the Lord God ; This burden concerneth the prince in Jerusalem, and all the house of Israel that are among them. [11] Say, I am your sign: like as I have done, so shall it be done unto them: they shall remove and go into captivity. [12] And the prince that is among them shall bear upon his shoulder in the twilight, and shall go forth: they shall dig through the wall to carry out thereby: he shall cover his face, that he see not the ground with his eyes. [13] My net also will I spread upon him, and he shall be taken in my snare: and I will bring him to Babylon to the land of the Chaldeans; yet shall he not see it, though he shall die there. [14] And I will scatter toward every wind all that are about him to help him, and all his bands; and I will draw out the sword after them. [15] And they shall know that I am the Lord, when I shall scatter them among the nations, and disperse them in the countries.

All you shall be offended because of me this night…
Matthew 26:31-32 Then saith Jesus unto them, All ye shall be offended because of me this night: for it is written, I will smite the shepherd, and the sheep of the flock shall be scattered abroad. [32] But after I am risen again, I will go before you into Galilee.


[16] But I will leave a few men of them from the sword, from the famine, and from the pestilence; that they may declare all their abominations among the heathen whither they come; and they shall know that I am the Lord. [17] Moreover the word of the Lord came to me, saying, [18] Son of man, eat thy bread with quaking, and drink thy water with trembling and with carefulness; [19] And say unto the people of the land, Thus saith the Lord God of the inhabitants of Jerusalem, and of the land of Israel; They shall eat their bread with carefulness, and drink their water with astonishment,


Matthew 23:38-39 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate. [39] For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.
“Ye shall not see me henceforth” he shall cover his face, that he see not the ground with his eyes. (2 Corinthians 3:14-16 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ. [15] But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart. [16] Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, ..and shall say Blessed is he that comes in the name of the Lord…the vail shall be taken away.) For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth,till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

“Behold, your house is left unto you desolate”
that her land may be desolate
from all that is therein, because of the violence of all them that dwell therein. [20] And the cities that are inhabited shall be laid waste, and the land shall be desolate; and ye shall know that I am the Lord. [21] And the word of the Lord came unto me, saying, [22] Son of man, what is that proverb that ye have in the land of Israel, saying, The days are prolonged, and every vision faileth? [23] Tell them therefore, Thus saith the Lord God ;

I will make this proverb to cease, and they shall no more use it as a proverb in Israel; but say unto them, John 16:25-29 These things have I spoken unto you in proverbs: but the time cometh, when I shall no more speak unto you in proverbs, but I shall shew you plainly of the Father. [26] At that day ye shall ask in my name: and I say not unto you, that I will pray the Father for you: [27] For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God. [28] I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father. [29] His disciples said unto him, Lo, now speakest thou plainly, and speakest no proverb.


Say unto them…The days are at hand,

Matthew 4:17 from that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.

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the effect of every vision. Revelation 22:10 And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand.

[24] For there shall be no more any vain vision nor flattering divination within the house of Israel. [25] For I am the Lord : I will speak, and the word that I shall speak shall come to pass; it shall be no more prolonged: for in your days, O rebellious house, will I say the word, and will perform it, saith the Lord God. [26] Again the word of the Lord came to me, saying, [27] Son of man, behold, they of the house of Israel say, The vision that he seeth is for many days to come, and he prophesieth of the times that are far off. [28] Therefore say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God ; There shall none of my words be prolonged any more, but the word which I have spoken shall be done, saith the Lord God.
 
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Notice verse 44 …who is doing the speaking here …Christ Jesus 2 Samuel 22:26-44 With the merciful thou wilt shew thyself merciful, and with the upright man thou wilt shew thyself upright. [27] With the pure thou wilt shew thyself pure; and with the froward thou wilt shew thyself unsavoury. [28] And the afflicted people thou wilt save: but thine eyes are upon the haughty, that thou mayest bring them down. [29] For thou art my lamp, O Lord : and the Lord will lighten my darkness. [30] For by thee I have run through a troop: by my God have I leaped over a wall. [31] As for God, his way is perfect; the word of the Lord is tried: he is a buckler to all them that trust in him. [32] For who is God, save the Lord ? and who is a rock, save our God? [33] God is my strength and power: and he maketh my way perfect. [34] He maketh my feet like hinds' feet : and setteth me upon my high places. [35] He teacheth my hands to war; so that a bow of steel is broken by mine arms. [36] Thou hast also given me the shield of thy salvation: and thy gentleness hath made me great. [37] Thou hast enlarged my steps under me; so that my feet did not slip. [38] I have pursued mine enemies, and destroyed them; and turned not again until I had consumed them. [39] And I have consumed them, and wounded them, that they could not arise: yea, they are fallen under my feet. [40] For thou hast girded me with strength to battle: them that rose up against me hast thou subdued under me. [41] Thou hast also given me the necks of mine enemies, that I might destroy them that hate me. [42] They looked, but there was none to save; even unto the Lord, but he answered them not. [43] Then did I beat them as small as the dust of the earth, I did stamp them as the mire of the street, and did spread them abroad. [44] Thou also hast delivered me from the strivings of my people, thou hast kept me to be head of the heathen: a people which I knew not shall serve me.

“For thou hast girded me (Christ Jesus)with strength to battle: them that rose up against me (Christ Jesus)hast thou subdued under me. [41] Thou hast also given me the necks of mine enemies, that I might destroy them that hate me. [42] They looked, but there was none to save; even unto the Lord, but he answered them not. [43] Then did I beat them as small as the dust of the earth, I did stamp them as the mire of the street, and did spread them abroad. [44] Thou also hast delivered me from the strivings of my people, thou hast kept me to be head of the heathen: a people which I knew not shall serve me.”

Romans 9:23-27 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory, [24] Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles? [25] As he saith also in Osee, I will call them my people, which were not my people; and her beloved, which was not beloved. [26] And it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people; there shall they be called the children of the living God. [27] Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved:
 

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see what you are saying and don’t dispute it, it could be possible all of heaven comes to greet us upon our departure from this place. But for me still the you will see greater things then these He told Nathanael could also point to the ascending and descending upon the Son of man Jesus Christ. The fall and rising again of First: Christ death and resurrection.

Luke 2:34 And Simeon blessed them, and said unto Mary his mother, Behold, this child is set for the fall and rising again of many in Israel; and for a sign which shall be spoken against;

that Upon Him you will see greater things then these; for a sign which shall be spoken against. Again (in my opinion) spoken against because He brings down and makes Low and Lifts up again…like the verse humble yourselves you sinners and Christ will lift you up. Or when He told them they must drink of His blood and many became offended and left Him and walked with Him no more. It is offensive to flesh what is asked yea?


Behold, this child is set for the fall and rising again of many in Israel; and for a sign which shall be spoken against; Romans 11:15 For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?

Behold, this child is set for the fall and rising again of many in Israel; and for a sign which shall be spoken against; 1 Peter 4:14 If ye be reproached for the name of Christ, happy are ye ; for the spirit of glory and of God resteth upon you: on their part he is evil spoken of, but on your part he is glorified.

Just some thoughts but “upon the son of man” they descend and ascend, upon the son of man they fall and rise again…James 1:9-10 Let the brother of low degree rejoice in that he is exalted: [10] But the rich, in that he is made low: because as the flower of the grass he shall pass away.

Glory be to God who is able to make Low and who restores. Who is able to bring down that which is high, and lift up again that which is brought low?


Actually the Bible teaches that the dead are in the graves awaiting a resurrection maam.
 

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Actually the Bible teaches that the dead are in the graves awaiting a resurrection maam.

yet some when the graves were opened as He said He would open them…come forth from the grave with Him, when He resurrected moving from death into Life, from darkness into Light. Seen and witnessed of others that they were alive. As in “the darkness is past” why remain in the grave when He overcame it?
 

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yet some when the graves were opened as He said He would open them…come forth from the grave with Him, when He resurrected moving from death into Life, from darkness into Light. Seen and witnessed of others that they were alive. As in “the darkness is past” why remain in the grave when He overcame it?

We believe the first resurrection happened after Jesus received the crown. Many think that the dead came to life right after Jesus' death, but that is not the case. Bodies were cast out of the coffins because of the earthquake.
 

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1 Corinthians 8:1-3 Now as touching things offered unto idols, we know that we all have knowledge. Knowledge puffeth up, but charity edifieth.(refreshes) [2] And if any man think that he knoweth any thing, he knoweth nothing yet as he ought to know. [3] But if any man love God, the same is known of him.

See…that hurt because the rules of language has always been something I struggle with but what is proposed to be the standard one has to know (the rules of language). instead of learning of Christ as what is needed, one has to become efficient in the rules of language which I lack.
The rules of language can be useful, but also a stumbling block depending on the person and the situation. When I started studying Spanish and German I learned English and its grammar as no teacher had ever taught it to me. To understand what a person means in a foreign language initially we need to understand how to communicate in our own native language. At least that is how it was for me. I have forgotten a lot of those rules that I learned so well for Spanish and German, but not their application. I read them now in my Bibles with understanding without remembering the details of the rules... such as in English, "i before e except..." and so forth. Communication!

All of the rules learning for the languages began for me long before I started reading any Bible at all.

When I did start reading all three Bibles in 1978, it was a long slow thing, but just understanding the natural or carnal language well was not good enough to understand God's message. I had to really "unlearn" some basic concepts in order to move or be moved forward toward God.

Charity as the you cited really is the thing, but even in that people get into trouble because what it means to most English speaking people in the common language today is NOT what it means in scripture... at least not to me. People confuse it with love and they confuse the Love of God with the lust of the flesh. All of the confusion results in no understanding... or worse, misunderstanding of God's message!

In the following messages in the KJV I see a description of charity. In other versions, the word "love" is used:

1co 13:4 Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,
1co 13:5 Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil;
1co 13:6 Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth;
1co 13:7 Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.
 
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We believe the first resurrection happened after Jesus received the crown. Many think that the dead came to life right after Jesus' death, but that is not the case. Bodies were cast out of the coffins because of the earthquake.


With all do respect I’m not sure how an earth quake tossed bodies out of coffins and, “those bodies went into the holy city and appeared unto many.” First someone “opened the graves” as He said He would yes? Matthew 27:50-54 Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost. [51] And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent; [52] And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, [53] And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.

Do see: Now when the centurion, and they that were with him, watching Jesus, saw the earthquake, and those things that were done, they feared greatly, saying, Truly this was the Son of God.

Hebrews 12:22-29 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, [23] To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, [24] And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel. [25] See that ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from him that speaketh from heaven: [26] Whose voice then shook the earth: but now he hath promised, saying, Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven. [27] And this word, Yet once more, signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain. [28] Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear: [29] For our God is a consuming fire.
 

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The rules of language can be useful, but also a stumbling block depending on the person and the situation. When I started studying Spanish and German I learned English and its grammar as no teacher had ever taught it to me. To understand what a person means in a foreign language initially we need to understand how to communicate in our own native language. At least that is how it was for me. I have forgotten a lot of those rules that I learned so well for Spanish and German, but not their application. I read them now in my Bibles with understanding without remembering the details of the rules... such as in English, "i before e except..." and so forth. Communication!

All of the rules learning for the languages began for me long before I started reading any Bible at all.

When I did start reading all three Bibles in 1978, it was a long slow thing, but just understanding the natural or carnal language well was not good enough to understand God's message. I had to really "unlearn" some basic concepts in order to move or be moved forward toward God.

Charity as the you cited really is the thing, but even in that people get into trouble because what is means to most English speaking people in the common language today is NOT what it means in scripture... at least not to me. People confuse it with love and the confuse the Love of God with the lust or the flesh. All of the confusion results in no understanding... or worse, misunderstanding of God's message!

In the following messages in the KJV I see a description of charity. In other versions, the word "love" is used:

1co 13:4 Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,
1co 13:5 Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil;
1co 13:6 Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth;
1co 13:7 Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.

Only the way I think of Charity… as Charity being His Spirit which without His Spirit “I am nothing” for example even though I have all faith to move mountains, and I have not Christ then that faith is dead and in vain; without the operation of the Spirit of God. Again, only thoughts concerning “and have not Charity”; “without Me you can do nothing”. Romans 8:8-9 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God. [9] But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
 
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Only the way I think of Charity… as Charity being His Spirit which without His Spirit “I am nothing” for example even though I have all faith to move mountains, and I have not Christ then that faith is dead and in vain; without the operation of the Spirit of God. Again, only thoughts concerning “and have not Charity”; “without Me you can do nothing”. Romans 8:8-9 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God. [9] But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
I believe you are right on it sister. Sometimes we do not have the words... or if we do, the person to whom we are talking simply cannot hear us. The Spirit is indeed where it is... or should be!

"Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God;
Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life." II Cor 3:5-6
 
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Actually the Bible teaches that the dead are in the graves awaiting a resurrection maam.
The dead BODIES are certainly in their graves. But the souls and spirits of the saints are in Heaven. Soul sleep is utter nonsense. "Sleep" is a metaphor for the death of the saints, since a body when first laid in the grave gives the appearance of sleep. There are no souls six feet under.