Is smoking a sin?

Robert Gwin · Jul 9, 2021

marks said:
As I said, I'd be happy to share my reasons. This is one:

Philippians 2:5-11 KJV
5) Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
6) Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
7) But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
8) And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
9) Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
10) That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
11) And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Who is this "LORD", which all will confess is Jesus Christ?

What if we look at the source of the quotation?

Isaiah 45:18-24 KJV (God's Name restored)
18) For thus saith YHWH that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am YHWH; and there is none else.
19) I have not spoken in secret, in a dark place of the earth: I said not unto the seed of Jacob, Seek ye me in vain: I YHWH speak righteousness, I declare things that are right.
20) Assemble yourselves and come; draw near together, ye that are escaped of the nations: they have no knowledge that set up the wood of their graven image, and pray unto a god that cannot save.
21) Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I YHWH? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me.
22) Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else.
23) I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.
24) Surely, shall one say, in YHWH have I righteousness and strength: even to him shall men come; and all that are incensed against him shall be ashamed.

Who then is this Lord?

Who is our Savior, there is only one!

Acts 4:10-12 KJV
10) Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole.
11) This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner.
12) Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

There is only One Savior, Jesus Christ, YHWH.

Much love!

I can see that the reason you formed your conclusion was greatly influenced by the version of the Bible you have chosen sir. One verse you quoted makes it appear that Jesus considered it ok to be equal to God, which contradicts other verses that clearly show he is not. Most of the problem is that the translators of your selected version deliberately tried to leave out God's name, but He did not allow it so they were unable. You can find the truth in the KJV, although it is more difficult.

An easy to see manipulation that they did is observable at Psalm 110:1 which states the LORD said to my Lord, it properly stated Jehovah said to my Lord, YHWH and Adonai. A Strong's concordance is invaluable in as well as a necessary tool to assist you in understanding the passages in the KJV of the Bible.

Were you aware that when Jesus returned to heaven, he sat at the right hand of the Father? Likely you are, but are you aware of what that means Marks?

Brakelite · Jul 9, 2021

Pearl said:
If people think it's sinful then they shouldn't do it. But they have a clear conscience about it then it's up to them.

People have a clear conscience over all manner of things, even Christians. But like I said in an earlier post. I don't think the smoking is the sin. It's the unbelief concerning the testimony of the scriptures concerning self care and health.
Yet sin is transgression against the law. 1 John 3:4. Murder is transgression against the law. Self murder is included in that category. Oh but wait. The letter of the law is no longer valid according to most, only the spirit of the law. So I guess so long as you don't get angry with yourself, you can pretty much do what you like.

Pearl · Jul 9, 2021

Romans 8:1
Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus,

John 3:21
Dear friends, if our hearts do not condemn us, we have confidence before God

marks · Jul 9, 2021

Robert Gwin said:
Our governing body in agreement with the surgeon general decided to consider it a sin for Jehovah's people to smoke, thus deliberately partaking in known things harmful to the body which shows a lack of respect for the sanctity of life. We have the choice of obeying or disobeying their regulations. They decided it was a serious sin subject to disciplinary action in 1973 if I remember correctly. If our governing body is actually Jesus' appointed faithful slave, to disobey is to disobey him.

How can they be a faithful servant if they condemn those whom God does not? This to me shows a serious conflict between your leaders and the Bible itself.

I suppose that for me this comes down to either obeying your leaders, or obeying God, because they are saying contradictory things.

Much love!

marks · Jul 9, 2021

Backlit said:
People have a clear conscience over all manner of things, even Christians.

Hebrews 9:13-14 KJV
13) For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh:
14) How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

God's plan for you.

Much love!

marks · Jul 9, 2021

Robert Gwin said:
I can see that the reason you formed your conclusion was greatly influenced by the version of the Bible you have chosen sir. One verse you quoted makes it appear that Jesus considered it ok to be equal to God, which contradicts other verses that clearly show he is not. Most of the problem is that the translators of your selected version deliberately tried to leave out God's name, but He did not allow it so they were unable. You can find the truth in the KJV, although it is more difficult.

Actually, while I've quoted from the KJV as being the most accurate in my opinion, I've examined this from a number of translations and version.

The LXX shows very clearly the Jewish line of thought on that Isaiah passage.

This truth is not found only in the mistranslations of this or that Bible, rather, it is interwoven throughout the Scriptures.

Robert Gwin said:
which contradicts other verses that clearly show he is not.

There is no contradiction, but, instead of just walking away from these passages without a proper examination, let's look at the verses I've quote.

You've faulted the translation as erroneously saying something God did not intend. Be specific. What word or words do you find to be mistranslated? I mean, I've looked at this a lot, in a lot of ways, and I'm convinced. There is so much evidence, and so often passage are misrepresented.

So let's get specific. Where is the translation wrong?

Much love!

Triumph1300 · Jul 9, 2021

Robert Gwin said:
Our governing body in agreement with the surgeon general decided to consider it a sin for Jehovah's people to smoke

So it's ok for non JW to smoke. Lol

farouk · Jul 9, 2021

Triumph1300 said:
So it's ok for non JW to smoke. Lol

In the end it all smacks of tinkering with other ppl's taboos, when in fact is has very, very little to do with Biblical doctrine.

Helen · Jul 9, 2021

Michiah-Imla said:
Ultimately smoking is an addictive substance.

It should be avoided at all costs.

If you’re a smoker and experience suffering from denying that craving:

"…for whoever has suffered in the flesh has ceased from sin" (1 Peter 4:1)

Add chocolate to your list then...is that sin? lol

Triumph1300 · Jul 9, 2021

farouk said:
very little to do with Biblical doctrine

Not according to all these different groups flying around claiming to be Christians and putting guilt trips on people telling them they go to hell if they do "this" and do "that".......I guess C hrist must have gone to the cross for nothing according to them and their legalistic points of view.

Triumph1300 · Jul 9, 2021

Boggles my mind.....an overweight "Christian", on his way to a junk food outlet, judging another Christian for smoking.

marks · Jul 9, 2021

Robert Gwin said:
I can see that the reason you formed your conclusion was greatly influenced by the version of the Bible you have chosen sir. One verse you quoted makes it appear that Jesus considered it ok to be equal to God,

Here is where I'm focusing:

Philippians 2:9-11 KJV
9) Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
10) That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
11) And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Who is this "LORD", which all will confess is Jesus Christ?

What if we look at the source of the quotation?

Isaiah 45:18-24 KJV (God's Name restored)
18) For thus saith YHWH that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am YHWH; and there is none else.
19) I have not spoken in secret, in a dark place of the earth: I said not unto the seed of Jacob, Seek ye me in vain: I YHWH speak righteousness, I declare things that are right.
20) Assemble yourselves and come; draw near together, ye that are escaped of the nations: they have no knowledge that set up the wood of their graven image, and pray unto a god that cannot save.
21) Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I YHWH? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me.
22) Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else.
23) I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.
24) Surely, shall one say, in YHWH have I righteousness and strength: even to him shall men come; and all that are incensed against him shall be ashamed.

Who then is this Lord?

Who is our Savior, there is only one!

Acts 4:10-12 KJV
10) Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole.
11) This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner.
12) Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

There is only One Savior, Jesus Christ, YHWH.

Here, Paul cites the OT passage that all will kneel to YHWH, and in the NT, identifies this as Jesus. Jesus Christ is Lord. This "Lord", is the LORD orf the OT, YHWH. Jesus Christ is YHWH.

So my question is then, do you find this mistranslated? Or should we accept it as it as written?

Much love!

Triumph1300 · Jul 9, 2021

Helen said:
Add chocolate to your list then...is that sin? lol

Dark chocolate is ok, Helen

farouk · Jul 9, 2021

Triumph1300 said:
Not according to all these different groups flying around claiming to be Christians and putting guilt trips on people telling them they go to hell if they do "this" and do "that".......I guess C hrist must have gone to the cross for nothing according to them and their legalistic points of view.

What I find breathtaking is that personal preferences such as an occasional cigarette, glass of wine, nice haircut, Bible ref. tattoo, shopping at certain stores, etc., etc., can be built up into supposed theological transgressions, while central Biblical doctrines of which there is manifest evidence in Scripture, can be vaguely set aside. A cultish mindset is all topsy-turvy...

farouk · Jul 9, 2021

marks said:
Here is where I'm focusing:

Philippians 2:9-11 KJV
9) Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
10) That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
11) And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Who is this "LORD", which all will confess is Jesus Christ?

What if we look at the source of the quotation?

Isaiah 45:18-24 KJV (God's Name restored)
18) For thus saith YHWH that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am YHWH; and there is none else.
19) I have not spoken in secret, in a dark place of the earth: I said not unto the seed of Jacob, Seek ye me in vain: I YHWH speak righteousness, I declare things that are right.
20) Assemble yourselves and come; draw near together, ye that are escaped of the nations: they have no knowledge that set up the wood of their graven image, and pray unto a god that cannot save.
21) Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I YHWH? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me.
22) Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else.
23) I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.
24) Surely, shall one say, in YHWH have I righteousness and strength: even to him shall men come; and all that are incensed against him shall be ashamed.

Who then is this Lord?

Who is our Savior, there is only one!

Acts 4:10-12 KJV
10) Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole.
11) This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner.
12) Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

There is only One Savior, Jesus Christ, YHWH.

Here, Paul cites the OT passage that all will kneel to YHWH, and in the NT, identifies this as Jesus. Jesus Christ is Lord. This "Lord", is the LORD orf the OT, YHWH. Jesus Christ is YHWH.

So my question is then, do you find this mistranslated? Or should we accept it as it as written?

Much love!

Great verses there!

amadeus · Jul 9, 2021

farouk said:
In the end it all smacks of tinkering with other ppl's taboos, when in fact is has very, very little to do with Biblical doctrine.

What is Biblical doctrine? Different people in different denominations, or all alone, have different doctrines, beliefs and experiences. Based on the same Bible: What is God's will? Is it always precisely the same for every person?

Someone offering me a cigarette would for me be no great temptation at all as I have never been a smoker nor had a desire to be.

Whereas someone who has smoked for the last 60 years, who is now trying to quit would likely have a very different battle to fight than I would.

I have not walked in his shoes... but in other areas perhaps he has not walked in mine. God alone knows all of the facts about and differences between us. This is why we cannot fairly render a judgement about another, but God can...

"For we dare not make ourselves of the number, or compare ourselves with some that commend themselves: but they measuring themselves by themselves, and comparing themselves among themselves, are not wise" II Cor 10:12

Michiah-Imla · Jul 9, 2021

Helen said:
Add chocolate to your list then...is that sin? lol

"Whoever loves pleasure will be a poor man; he who loves wine and oil will not be rich." (Proverbs 21:17)

Not sin. But not something a person taught in biblical doctrine of moderation should fall into.

"“All things are lawful for me,” but not all things are helpful. “All things are lawful for me,” but I will not be dominated by anything." (1 Corinthians 6:12)

Brakelite · Jul 9, 2021

Pearl said:
Romans 8:1
Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus,

John 3:21
Dear friends, if our hearts do not condemn us, we have confidence before God

So tobacco is fine with you. Personally, I find it embarrassing to pass by a church on a Sunday morning and see Christians lighting up the moment they get outside. But hey, all things are lawful so long as it's to the glory of God right?

Brakelite · Jul 9, 2021

marks said:
Hebrews 9:13-14 KJV
13) For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh:
14) How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

God's plan for you.

Much love!

To be convicted of sin or bad habits by the holy Spirit first necessitates having the holy Spirit abiding within to begin with. Then one needs to have ears to hear. A desire, hunger, thirst for righteousness. Then absolutely, Hebrews 9:14 becomes a living reality for you.

Reggie Belafonte · Jul 9, 2021

Smoking is not a virtue that's for sure, in fact I can see no reason for anyone to of wanted to take up such a filthy pathetic habit that not only stinks and is a wealth hazard especially in Australia were just one smoke cost over $1.00 due to tax. my mum has a $50 a day addiction to smoking that's $18.000 a year on just total rubbish and it's our government who are just like the drug criminals bleeding people dry in such a case, I wanted to get my mum chop chop to reduce the cost but that's illegal. so my mum has to be ripped off by the system.
My mum does not want to stop smoking at all and has tried but can not, she is totally addicted just like a drug addict. smoking is her whole life's number one thing in life, it's a curse for her, she is not allowed to come to my place to stay the day because she smokes. I can not take her out to party's with my wife's side because she smokes.

I know a mate who has smoked fags for 38 years and dope full on for 36 years and has given them both up and he says the dope was easy as but the fags are still hell for him to give up, he has given fags up but still desires them, but not the dope at all.

So much for all the Media spin on dope being so addictive ?
I have smoked dope on od occasions from when I was 21yo to 32yo but that was just because of going out and others would be smoking it were ever you may of went say and I always had great time doing such, it may of been so that I would drink less so I could drive with out getting busted and the reason why I drank was because I totally hated my job and such was a relief valve.
Now I do not need to drink but I was forced to have to drink back in them days. I think I could of killed someone if I did not have the relief valve of drinking and riding dirt bikes was what I love, if it was not for such maybe I would of killed myself, well that's why I took to taking the dope the first day that I did, I despised all people who did smoked dope full on before that.
Over my years I have seen people abuse dope or Grog but only a small percentage were out of control abusing such that I know of. yet dope nowadays is not the same type of dope that was around before the 90's the new dope is bad and just stupid to take such rubbish.

So is such a Sin, well things in moderation is one thing and when something that may get out of control becomes in fact another. So the point of Sin is the consequences that such will lead to, that is the point of the position as to what is a Sin. the gravity of the Sin is what's being ascertained in Christianity but under the OT Law it's only about convicting such, so such is only in regards to as only things are black and white and such as that lacks Grace. so we are not under the Law but under Grace in Christ Jesus and Jesus is not about convicting people but helping people grow and mature within him.

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