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Colossians 2:16-17
Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ.
They would say God is judging us, not themselves, because it's 'His' law.

However, they do condemn others to eternal damnation according to a Sabbath day, but such niceties of discernment between judging and condemning don't affect them that use Scripture and law of God for their own purposes anyway.

But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully. (1 Tim 1)
 

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The context of Hebrews 4 is the previous chapter. Today, is today, and everyday.

Beware, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief in departing from the living God; 13 but exhort one another daily, while it is called “Today,” lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin. 14 For we have become partakers of Christ if we hold the beginning of our confidence steadfast to the end, 15 while it is said:

“Today, if you will hear His voice,
Do not harden your hearts as in the rebellion.”
Good proof of Scripture that God is speaking of the day of salvation, not of the Saturday of Sabbath keeping.
 

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Why do you like to make things up out of thin air that are not found in Scripture ?

There is a past, present and future aspect to sanctification. You should be more careful what you say and try to teach others.

1 Corinthians 1:30
“From him [God] we are in Christ Jesus, who has become wisdom to us from God, our righteousness and sanctification and redemption.”

Hebrews 12:14
Pursue peace with all men, and the sanctification without which no one will see the Lord.

Ephesians 5:25-27
Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself up for her, 26 so that He might sanctify her, having cleansed her by the washing of water with the word, 27 that He might present to Himself the church [q]in all her glory, having no spot or wrinkle or any such thing; but that she would be holy and blameless.

1 Thessalonians 3:12-13
to the establishing your hearts blameless in sanctification before our God and Father, in the presence of our Lord Jesus Christ with all His saints.

Strong's Concordance
hagiasmos: consecration, sanctification
Original Word: ἁγιασμός, οῦ, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: hagiasmos
Phonetic Spelling: (hag-ee-as-mos')
Definition: consecration, sanctification
Usage: the process of making or becoming holy, set apart, sanctification, holiness, consecration.

HELPS Word-studies
Cognate: 38 hagiasmós (a masculine noun derived from 40 /hágios, "holy") – sanctification (the process of advancing in holiness); use of the believer being progressively transformed by the Lord into His likeness (similarity of nature). See 40 /hagios ("holy").

We are to live holy in this present life and below we read there is a past, present and future aspect to our sanctification.

1 Corinthians 1:30
“From him we are in Christ Jesus, who has become wisdom to us from God, our righteousness and sanctification and redemption.”

Hebrews 12:14
Pursue peace with all men, and the sanctification without which no one will see the Lord.

Ephesians 5:25-27
Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself up for her, 26 so that He might sanctify her, having cleansed her by the washing of water with the word, 27 that He might present to Himself the church q]">[q]in all her glory, having no spot or wrinkle or any such thing; but that she would be holy and blameless.

1 Thessalonians 3:12-13
to the establishing your hearts blameless in sanctification before our God and Father, in the presence of our Lord Jesus Christ with all His saints.

1 Thessalonians 4:3 N-NMS
GRK: θεοῦ ὁ ἁγιασμὸς ὑμῶν ἀπέχεσθαι
NAS: of God, your sanctification; [that is], that you abstain
KJV: [even] your sanctification, that ye
INT: of God the sanctification of you to abstain

1 Thessalonians 4:4 N-DMS
GRK: κτᾶσθαι ἐν ἁγιασμῷ καὶ τιμῇ
NAS: vessel in sanctification and honor,
KJV: vessel in sanctification and honour;
INT: to possess in holiness and honor

1 Thessalonians 4:7 N-DMS
GRK: ἀλλ' ἐν ἁγιασμῷ
NAS: us for the purpose of impurity, but in sanctification.
KJV: but unto holiness.
INT: but in sanctification

2 Thessalonians 2:13 N-DMS
GRK: σωτηρίαν ἐν ἁγιασμῷ πνεύματος καὶ
NAS: through sanctification by the Spirit
KJV: through sanctification of the Spirit
INT: salvation in sanctification of [the] Spirit and

1 Timothy 2:15 N-DMS
GRK: ἀγάπῃ καὶ ἁγιασμῷ μετὰ σωφροσύνης
NAS: and love and sanctity with self-restraint.
KJV: charity and holiness with sobriety.
INT: love and sanctification with self-restraint

Hebrews 12:14 N-AMS
GRK: καὶ τὸν ἁγιασμόν οὗ χωρὶς
NAS: with all men, and the sanctification without
KJV: all [men], and holiness, without which
INT: and the holiness which apart from

1 Peter 1:2 N-DMS
GRK: πατρός ἐν ἁγιασμῷ πνεύματος εἰς
NAS: the Father, by the sanctifying work of the Spirit,
KJV: through sanctification of the Spirit,
INT: [the] Father by sanctification of [the] Spirit unto

hope this helps !!!
We are sanctified to God by the Spirit, and then we proceed to let fall the dead works still hanging to the tree.

'Progressive' sanctification is used as a means of adding 'holiness' rules to sanctification of God, that are not written in Scripture.

An example would be commanding men not to wear shorts in public, because they as not 'holiness' to God.
 

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We are sanctified to God by the Spirit, and then we proceed to let fall the dead works still hanging to the tree.

'Progressive' sanctification is used as a means of adding 'holiness' rules to sanctification of God, that are not written in Scripture.

An example would be commanding men not to wear shorts in public, because they as not 'holiness' to God.
Read the scriptures I posted they are clear on sanctification.
 

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Why do you like to make things up out of thin air that are not found in Scripture ?

There is a past, present and future aspect to sanctification. You should be more careful what you say and try to teach others.

1 Corinthians 1:30
“From him [God] we are in Christ Jesus, who has become wisdom to us from God, our righteousness and sanctification and redemption.”

Hebrews 12:14
Pursue peace with all men, and the sanctification without which no one will see the Lord.

Ephesians 5:25-27
Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself up for her, 26 so that He might sanctify her, having cleansed her by the washing of water with the word, 27 that He might present to Himself the church [q]in all her glory, having no spot or wrinkle or any such thing; but that she would be holy and blameless.

1 Thessalonians 3:12-13
to the establishing your hearts blameless in sanctification before our God and Father, in the presence of our Lord Jesus Christ with all His saints.

Strong's Concordance
hagiasmos: consecration, sanctification
Original Word: ἁγιασμός, οῦ, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: hagiasmos
Phonetic Spelling: (hag-ee-as-mos')
Definition: consecration, sanctification
Usage: the process of making or becoming holy, set apart, sanctification, holiness, consecration.

HELPS Word-studies
Cognate: 38 hagiasmós (a masculine noun derived from 40 /hágios, "holy") – sanctification (the process of advancing in holiness); use of the believer being progressively transformed by the Lord into His likeness (similarity of nature). See 40 /hagios ("holy").

We are to live holy in this present life and below we read there is a past, present and future aspect to our sanctification.

1 Corinthians 1:30
“From him we are in Christ Jesus, who has become wisdom to us from God, our righteousness and sanctification and redemption.”

Hebrews 12:14
Pursue peace with all men, and the sanctification without which no one will see the Lord.

Ephesians 5:25-27
Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself up for her, 26 so that He might sanctify her, having cleansed her by the washing of water with the word, 27 that He might present to Himself the church q]">[q]in all her glory, having no spot or wrinkle or any such thing; but that she would be holy and blameless.

1 Thessalonians 3:12-13
to the establishing your hearts blameless in sanctification before our God and Father, in the presence of our Lord Jesus Christ with all His saints.

1 Thessalonians 4:3 N-NMS
GRK: θεοῦ ὁ ἁγιασμὸς ὑμῶν ἀπέχεσθαι
NAS: of God, your sanctification; [that is], that you abstain
KJV: [even] your sanctification, that ye
INT: of God the sanctification of you to abstain

1 Thessalonians 4:4 N-DMS
GRK: κτᾶσθαι ἐν ἁγιασμῷ καὶ τιμῇ
NAS: vessel in sanctification and honor,
KJV: vessel in sanctification and honour;
INT: to possess in holiness and honor

1 Thessalonians 4:7 N-DMS
GRK: ἀλλ' ἐν ἁγιασμῷ
NAS: us for the purpose of impurity, but in sanctification.
KJV: but unto holiness.
INT: but in sanctification

2 Thessalonians 2:13 N-DMS
GRK: σωτηρίαν ἐν ἁγιασμῷ πνεύματος καὶ
NAS: through sanctification by the Spirit
KJV: through sanctification of the Spirit
INT: salvation in sanctification of [the] Spirit and

1 Timothy 2:15 N-DMS
GRK: ἀγάπῃ καὶ ἁγιασμῷ μετὰ σωφροσύνης
NAS: and love and sanctity with self-restraint.
KJV: charity and holiness with sobriety.
INT: love and sanctification with self-restraint

Hebrews 12:14 N-AMS
GRK: καὶ τὸν ἁγιασμόν οὗ χωρὶς
NAS: with all men, and the sanctification without
KJV: all [men], and holiness, without which
INT: and the holiness which apart from

1 Peter 1:2 N-DMS
GRK: πατρός ἐν ἁγιασμῷ πνεύματος εἰς
NAS: the Father, by the sanctifying work of the Spirit,
KJV: through sanctification of the Spirit,
INT: [the] Father by sanctification of [the] Spirit unto

hope this helps !!!
sanctification (the process of advancing in holiness)

No such thing. That is nothing but tool used by 'holiness' groups to promote being special among themselves, and to find fault with others as 'worldly compromisers'. They are forever adding more and more 'holiness' rules to do and abstain from: zero tolerance policies, under the guise of becoming more holy, or 'advanced in holiness'.

None of the Scripture you cited speak anything of a 'progressive' sanctification, and 'advancing' in holiness.

1 Cor 1:30 proves a one time complete sanctification by God, even as being at once made righteous and at once redeemed by God. (Rom 5:19):

Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers. But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot. (1 Peter 1:19,20)

And so also have we been sanctified by the Spirit (Rom 15:16), and we are called to behave ourselves accordingly as sanctified saints in Christ. (1 Cor 1:2)

And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God. (1 Cor 6:11)

At salvation by grace we are at once sanctified, justified, washed, cleansed, redeemed, and made righteous in His sight, and we are to go on unto good works, leaving behind the first principle of repentance from dead works (Heb 6), while keeping ourselves unspotted by the world (James 1:27), even as we were made so in the beginning of our faith in Jesus unto forgiveness from sins and deliverance from the power of sin, which is lust.

If we do sin however, and become spotted by the world again, then we have an advocate in Jesus to confess and be forgiven of the sin.

What we do is go forward and race on in holiness, being holy as He is holy, even as He has made us holy unto Himself, sanctified unto Himself, and free from the lust and transgressions of the world. There is no taste not, touch not, wear not, eat not, drink not, etc...carnal ordinances to 'learn' what specifically not to do from men, which are nowhere written in Scripture as such, that we may 'progress' in Christ.
 

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Read the scriptures I posted they are clear on sanctification.
And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness. (Eph 4:24)

It is clear that the new creatures in Christ Jesus are created in His righteousness and true holiness, not unto, nor advancing unto really superior holiness.

There is the righteousness and true holiness of God, and there is also the self-righteousness and advanced holiness of men.

Anywhere there is something true of God, then the devil will be sure to have men make up something similar and even superior to it.
 

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Read the scriptures I posted they are clear on sanctification.
So then, let's move on from theorizing on Scripture doctrine and get to the real meat of the matter:

Name some of the more advanced holiness stuff, that every Christian needs to be told of and conformed to in order to satisfy God's command of being holy as He is holy?

I am not speaking of adding to our faith virtue (2 Peter 1:5), but of added rules of body and conduct, that we may not be aware of as babes in Christ.

And of course, these carnal ordinances need be written in Scripture specifically as such.

No added 'holiness' details to a rule of Christ, such as men forbidden to wear shorts, because they are not modest. That is a stipulation of men's judgment and opinion, not written in Scripture.

A scriptural example pertaining to modesty would be not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array as becomes those professing godliness. (1 Tim 2)

Any others?
 

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Good proof of Scripture that God is speaking of the day of salvation, not of the Saturday of Sabbath keeping.

Actually, I believe God was referring to their in and out of faith in God. We are to trust moment by moment constantly in the present - "today." It is called abiding. 1 John 3:24.
 

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Actually, I believe God was referring to their in and out of faith in God. We are to trust moment by moment constantly in the present - "today." It is called abiding. 1 John 3:24.
The whole problem with setting aside a specific 'day of worship' by commandment is what Scripture says about it: it is the law of a carnal commandment.

It does not minister life, but only death if disobeyed, and so the whole law of such commandments is called the ministration of death. (2 Cor 3)

Such carnal commandments obeyed outwardly lead to carnal mindedness and false worship, because the very nature of it is carnally made and enforced, and therefore will become grudgingly obeyed outwardly, without any inward worship.

Worshipping God in Spirit and in truth does not mean we will at every moment of every day be in a 'worshipful' mind, or even mood. Jesus was saying the day would come, when them that would worship God, they will worship Him in spirit and truly from the heart, whensoever they do so, at any time on any day.

And here you go with your teaching:

But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. (John 4:23)

The hour cometh. The day cometh and now is the hour and day of our salvation and worship of the Father in Spirit and in truth, while it is called today.

That is not the Sabbath day coming.

This is the day which the LORD hath made; we will rejoice and be glad in it. (Psalms 118)

David is prophesying to the day of the Lord Jesus and His day of salvation: the Stone that the builders rejected. This is the day, today is the day of our rest.

Now, if they want to talk about an ongoing Sabbatismos day of the Lord, then fine.
 

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The whole problem with setting aside a specific 'day of worship' by commandment is what Scripture says about it: it is the law of a carnal commandment.

It does not minister life, but only death if disobeyed, and so the whole law of such commandments is called the ministration of death. (2 Cor 3)

Such carnal commandments obeyed outwardly lead to carnal mindedness and false worship, because the very nature of it is carnally made and enforced, and therefore will become grudgingly obeyed outwardly, without any inward worship.

Worshipping God in Spirit and in truth does not mean we will at every moment of every day be in a 'worshipful' mind, or even mood. Jesus was saying the day would come, when them that would worship God, they will worship Him in spirit and truly from the heart, whensoever they do so, at any time on any day.

And here you go with your teaching:

But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. (John 4:23)

The hour cometh. The day cometh and now is the hour and day of our salvation and worship of the Father in Spirit and in truth, while it is called today.

That is not the Sabbath day coming.

This is the day which the LORD hath made; we will rejoice and be glad in it. (Psalms 118)

David is prophesying to the day of the Lord Jesus and His day of salvation: the Stone that the builders rejected. This is the day, today is the day of our rest.

Now, if they want to talk about an ongoing Sabbatismos day of the Lord, then fine.

I'm not going to judge them according to Romans 14. They must do what they believe; otherwise it will be sin to them. I just wish they would stop judging me.
 
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sanctification (the process of advancing in holiness)

No such thing. That is nothing but tool used by 'holiness' groups to promote being special among themselves, and to find fault with others as 'worldly compromisers'. They are forever adding more and more 'holiness' rules to do and abstain from: zero tolerance policies, under the guise of becoming more holy, or 'advanced in holiness'.

None of the Scripture you cited speak anything of a 'progressive' sanctification, and 'advancing' in holiness.

1 Cor 1:30 proves a one time complete sanctification by God, even as being at once made righteous and at once redeemed by God. (Rom 5:19):

Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers. But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot. (1 Peter 1:19,20)

And so also have we been sanctified by the Spirit (Rom 15:16), and we are called to behave ourselves accordingly as sanctified saints in Christ. (1 Cor 1:2)

And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God. (1 Cor 6:11)

At salvation by grace we are at once sanctified, justified, washed, cleansed, redeemed, and made righteous in His sight, and we are to go on unto good works, leaving behind the first principle of repentance from dead works (Heb 6), while keeping ourselves unspotted by the world (James 1:27), even as we were made so in the beginning of our faith in Jesus unto forgiveness from sins and deliverance from the power of sin, which is lust.

If we do sin however, and become spotted by the world again, then we have an advocate in Jesus to confess and be forgiven of the sin.

What we do is go forward and race on in holiness, being holy as He is holy, even as He has made us holy unto Himself, sanctified unto Himself, and free from the lust and transgressions of the world. There is no taste not, touch not, wear not, eat not, drink not, etc...carnal ordinances to 'learn' what specifically not to do from men, which are nowhere written in Scripture as such, that we may 'progress' in Christ.
Its great that you have never grown in Christ and you have stated the same since you were born again.

Can you imagine an adult in diapers, drinking mothers milk, not potty trained and still trips over their own feet. . :)

Sanctification is growing in Christ and becoming more like Him. Its a process like I gave you from the scriptures.

just sayin.................
 

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Its great that you have never grown in Christ and you have stated the same since you were born again.

Can you imagine an adult in diapers, drinking mothers milk, not potty trained and still trips over their own feet. . :)

Sanctification is growing in Christ and becoming more like Him. Its a process like I gave you from the scriptures.

just sayin.................
Actually your saying nothing. Not new anyway. Other than calling me a big baby, which is just fine with me. I really have learned to grow up in Christ and acknowledge I would far rather be just another little sheepie in His fold, than some great and grand poobah of a leader, that many times as not ends up destroying themselves. Which is no problem, except they they usually take others down with them:

And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies...

So, I believe I have asked before, but if not: What are these rules and examples of 'advancing in holiness'? Exactly how by Scriptural rule do you do so?

Here is one I would think might be so (not being an holiness advanced kind of Christian myself):
In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array; But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works.

Here may be another:
The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things.

The one has clear detailed description of what is not godly modesty in dress, and perhaps the sanctified of heart babe in Christ reads or hears this and to keep themselves pure as He is pure, they trash them.

But that may just be more of abiding in goldliness than advancing therein.

The other reiterates what is said elsewhere as contrary to the rule of Christ, and is already written in our hearts as babes, so that we do should do so naturally as Paul said in Romans 2. No advancement there, but just avoiding or doing what now comes natural with the divine nature in us at birth

So, what 'advancement in holiness' details of Scripture do you offer and practice (less you are a hypocrite), that the average babe in Christ doesn't yet know about?

I.e. what makes you so advanced above others in Christ?

And can anyone be more advanced in holiness than:

Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.

Perhaps there are some worldly spots we average sheep are unaware of, and thus are being spotted upon ignorantly?

If so, we need an advanced teacher in advanced holiness to tell us: the floor is all yours.
 
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Actually your saying nothing. Not new anyway. Other than calling me a big baby, which is just fine with me. I really have learned to grow up in Christ and acknowledge I would far rather be just another little sheepie in His fold, than some great and grand poobah of a leader, that many times as not ends up destroying themselves. Which is no problem, except they they usually take others down with them:

And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies...

So, I believe I have asked before, but if not: What are these rules and examples of 'advancing in holiness'? Exactly how by Scriptural rule do you do so?

Here is one I would think might be so (not being an holiness advanced kind of Christian myself):
In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array; But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works.

Here may be another:
The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things.

The one has clear detailed description of what is not godly modesty in dress, and perhaps the sanctified of heart babe in Christ reads or hears this and to keep themselves pure as He is pure, they trash them.

But that may just be more of abiding in goldliness than advancing therein.

The other reiterates what is said elsewhere as contrary to the rule of Christ, and is already written in our hearts as babes, so that we do should do so naturally as Paul said in Romans 2. No advancement there, but just avoiding or doing what now comes natural with the divine nature in us at birth

So, what 'advancement in holiness' details of Scripture do you offer and practice (less you are a hypocrite), that the average babe in Christ doesn't yet know about?

I.e. what makes you so advanced above others in Christ?

And can anyone be more advanced in holiness than:

Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.

Perhaps there are some worldly spots we average sheep are unaware of, and thus are being spotted upon ignorantly?

If so, we need an advanced teacher in advanced holiness to tell us: the floor is all yours.
Then by your own testimony you have experienced the sanctification process. You can call it whatever you would like but the bible call that process sanctification.

Sanctification is God’s will for us (1 Thessalonians 4:3). The word sanctification is related to the word saint; both words have to do with holiness. To “sanctify” something is to set it apart for special use; to “sanctify” a person is to make him holy.

Jesus had a lot to say about sanctification in John 17. In verse 16 the Lord says, “They are not of the world, even as I am not of it,” and this is before His request: “Sanctify them by the truth; your word is truth” (verse 17). In Christian theology, sanctification is a state of separation unto God; all believers enter into this state when they are born of God: “You are in Christ Jesus, who became to us wisdom from God, righteousness and sanctification and redemption” (1 Corinthians 1:30, ESV). The sanctification mentioned in this verse is a once-for-ever separation of believers unto God. It is a work God performs, an intricate part of our salvation and our connection with Christ (Hebrews 10:10). Theologians sometimes refer to this state of holiness before God as “positional” sanctification; it is the same as justification.

While we are positionally holy (“set free from every sin” by the blood of Christ, Acts 13:39), we know that we still sin (1 John 1:10). That’s why the Bible also refers to sanctification as a practical experience of our separation unto God. “Progressive” or “experiential” sanctification, as it is sometimes called, is the effect of obedience to the Word of God in one’s life. It is the same as growing in the Lord (2 Peter 3:18) or spiritual maturity. God started the work of making us like Christ, and He is continuing it (Philippians 1:6). This type of sanctification is to be pursued by the believer earnestly (1 Peter 1:15; Hebrews 12:14) and is effected by the application of the Word (John 17:17). Progressive sanctification has in view the setting apart of believers for the purpose for which they are sent into the world: “As you sent me into the world, I have sent them into the world. For them I sanctify myself, that they too may be truly sanctified” (John 17:18–19). That Jesus set Himself apart for God’s purpose is both the basis and the condition of our being set apart (see John 10:36). We are sanctified and sent because Jesus was. Our Lord’s sanctification is the pattern of and power for our own. The sending and the sanctifying are inseparable. On this account we are called “saints” (hagioi in the Greek), or “sanctified ones.” Prior to salvation, our behavior bore witness to our standing in the world in separation from God, but now our behavior should bear witness to our standing before God in separation from the world. Little by little, every day, “those who are being sanctified” (Hebrews 10:14, ESV) are becoming more like Christ.

There is a third sense in which the word sanctification is used in Scripture—a “complete” or “ultimate” sanctification. This is the same as glorification. Paul prays in 1 Thessalonians 5:23, “May the God of peace himself sanctify you completely, and may your whole spirit and soul and body be kept blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ” (ESV). Paul speaks of Christ as “the hope of glory” (Colossians 1:27) and links the glorious appearing of Christ to our personal glorification: “When Christ, who is your life, appears, then you also will appear with him in glory” (Colossians 3:4). This glorified state will be our ultimate separation from sin, a total sanctification in every regard. “We know that when Christ appears, we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is” (1 John 3:2).

To summarize, “sanctification” is a translation of the Greek word hagiasmos, meaning “holiness” or “a separation.” In the past, God granted us justification, a once-for-all, positional holiness in Christ. Now, God guides us to maturity, a practical, progressive holiness. In the future, God will give us glorification, a permanent, ultimate holiness. These three phases of sanctification separate the believer from the penalty of sin (justification), the power of sin (maturity), and the presence of sin (glorification).got?

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Then by your own testimony you have experienced the sanctification process. You can call it whatever you would like but the bible call that process sanctification.

Sanctification is God’s will for us (1 Thessalonians 4:3). The word sanctification is related to the word saint; both words have to do with holiness. To “sanctify” something is to set it apart for special use; to “sanctify” a person is to make him holy.

Jesus had a lot to say about sanctification in John 17. In verse 16 the Lord says, “They are not of the world, even as I am not of it,” and this is before His request: “Sanctify them by the truth; your word is truth” (verse 17). In Christian theology, sanctification is a state of separation unto God; all believers enter into this state when they are born of God: “You are in Christ Jesus, who became to us wisdom from God, righteousness and sanctification and redemption” (1 Corinthians 1:30, ESV). The sanctification mentioned in this verse is a once-for-ever separation of believers unto God. It is a work God performs, an intricate part of our salvation and our connection with Christ (Hebrews 10:10). Theologians sometimes refer to this state of holiness before God as “positional” sanctification; it is the same as justification.

While we are positionally holy (“set free from every sin” by the blood of Christ, Acts 13:39), we know that we still sin (1 John 1:10). That’s why the Bible also refers to sanctification as a practical experience of our separation unto God. “Progressive” or “experiential” sanctification, as it is sometimes called, is the effect of obedience to the Word of God in one’s life. It is the same as growing in the Lord (2 Peter 3:18) or spiritual maturity. God started the work of making us like Christ, and He is continuing it (Philippians 1:6). This type of sanctification is to be pursued by the believer earnestly (1 Peter 1:15; Hebrews 12:14) and is effected by the application of the Word (John 17:17). Progressive sanctification has in view the setting apart of believers for the purpose for which they are sent into the world: “As you sent me into the world, I have sent them into the world. For them I sanctify myself, that they too may be truly sanctified” (John 17:18–19). That Jesus set Himself apart for God’s purpose is both the basis and the condition of our being set apart (see John 10:36). We are sanctified and sent because Jesus was. Our Lord’s sanctification is the pattern of and power for our own. The sending and the sanctifying are inseparable. On this account we are called “saints” (hagioi in the Greek), or “sanctified ones.” Prior to salvation, our behavior bore witness to our standing in the world in separation from God, but now our behavior should bear witness to our standing before God in separation from the world. Little by little, every day, “those who are being sanctified” (Hebrews 10:14, ESV) are becoming more like Christ.

There is a third sense in which the word sanctification is used in Scripture—a “complete” or “ultimate” sanctification. This is the same as glorification. Paul prays in 1 Thessalonians 5:23, “May the God of peace himself sanctify you completely, and may your whole spirit and soul and body be kept blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ” (ESV). Paul speaks of Christ as “the hope of glory” (Colossians 1:27) and links the glorious appearing of Christ to our personal glorification: “When Christ, who is your life, appears, then you also will appear with him in glory” (Colossians 3:4). This glorified state will be our ultimate separation from sin, a total sanctification in every regard. “We know that when Christ appears, we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is” (1 John 3:2).

To summarize, “sanctification” is a translation of the Greek word hagiasmos, meaning “holiness” or “a separation.” In the past, God granted us justification, a once-for-all, positional holiness in Christ. Now, God guides us to maturity, a practical, progressive holiness. In the future, God will give us glorification, a permanent, ultimate holiness. These three phases of sanctification separate the believer from the penalty of sin (justification), the power of sin (maturity), and the presence of sin (glorification).got?

hope this helps !!!
Now, God guides us to maturity, a practical, progressive holiness.

While I appreciate your in depth study, I am still waiting for examples of practical progressive holiness. What are these practical things of progressed sanctification that would distinguish you from babes in Christ, or other long-time believers who have not progressed?

Either you don't want to share them for some reason, or there aren't any real progressively practical points to actually practise and do or not do. In which case it is nothing but doctrinal theory without any real impact on Christian living.
 

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What do you mean?
Endure in what unto salvation, and how?
If your belief in Jesus Christ does not endure to the end of your life, you will not make it to heaven. How do we endure to the end with our belief in Jesus Christ in tact? We do it by doing good works that Jesus has for us to do since before the world was created. (Ephesians 2:10)

If we do not continue to believe or we do not these good works, heaven can be in jeopardy.
 

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If your belief in Jesus Christ does not endure to the end of your life, you will not make it to heaven. How do we endure to the end with our belief in Jesus Christ in tact? We do it by doing good works that Jesus has for us to do since before the world was created. (Ephesians 2:10)

If we do not continue to believe or we do not these good works, heaven can be in jeopardy.
If we draw fall back to open sin, and hold back from doing good, then our faith is become dead, even as the body with the spirit is dead. (James)

Our body of faith is seen by what we do, even as the tree is known by its' fruits.

The good works we are born to do by faith of Jesus will be seen by all, even as the a light is not kept under a table.

The new man of faith dies, when the faith of God is no longer obeyed.

Dead works, dead faith, dead creature.

He that was saved, and is not saved.

A beast that was a new creature in Christ Jesus. The old man rising up again, who's head was slain to death by the faith of Jesus confessed from the heart, with repentance from dead works.
 

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sanctification (the process of advancing in holiness)

No such thing. That is nothing but tool used by 'holiness' groups to promote being special among themselves, and to find fault with others as 'worldly compromisers'. They are forever adding more and more 'holiness' rules to do and abstain from: zero tolerance policies, under the guise of becoming more holy, or 'advanced in holiness'.

None of the Scripture you cited speak anything of a 'progressive' sanctification, and 'advancing' in holiness.

1 Cor 1:30 proves a one time complete sanctification by God, even as being at once made righteous and at once redeemed by God. (Rom 5:19):

Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers. But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot. (1 Peter 1:19,20)

And so also have we been sanctified by the Spirit (Rom 15:16), and we are called to behave ourselves accordingly as sanctified saints in Christ. (1 Cor 1:2)

And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God. (1 Cor 6:11)

At salvation by grace we are at once sanctified, justified, washed, cleansed, redeemed, and made righteous in His sight, and we are to go on unto good works, leaving behind the first principle of repentance from dead works (Heb 6), while keeping ourselves unspotted by the world (James 1:27), even as we were made so in the beginning of our faith in Jesus unto forgiveness from sins and deliverance from the power of sin, which is lust.

If we do sin however, and become spotted by the world again, then we have an advocate in Jesus to confess and be forgiven of the sin.

What we do is go forward and race on in holiness, being holy as He is holy, even as He has made us holy unto Himself, sanctified unto Himself, and free from the lust and transgressions of the world. There is no taste not, touch not, wear not, eat not, drink not, etc...carnal ordinances to 'learn' what specifically not to do from men, which are nowhere written in Scripture as such, that we may 'progress' in Christ.
And so also have we been sanctified by the Spirit (Rom 15:16), and we are called to behave ourselves accordingly as sanctified saints in Christ. (1 Cor 1:2)

This scripture you quoted is a testiment against OSAS. If we are sanctified we should behave ourselves accordingly as sanctified saints in Christ. If you do not, then what? I think it proves you are not really sanctified. And you are out, unless you repent and get back to the path.
 
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If your belief in Jesus Christ does not endure to the end of your life, you will not make it to heaven. How do we endure to the end with our belief in Jesus Christ in tact? We do it by doing good works that Jesus has for us to do since before the world was created. (Ephesians 2:10)

If we do not continue to believe or we do not these good works, heaven can be in jeopardy.

so endure in faith?
i agree.

i do not agree that works may produce faith -- rather, faith may produce works.
i say "may" in an human sense - because there are works that only God sees, in fact, God recommends works only He sees.
in the absolute sense, faith always produces works - tho not always in the sight of men, therefore they cannot be a basis for us to judge one another by (("judge not according to appearance, but righteously"))
i do believe works can increase or strengthen faith, but they don't produce it.