God changed Seventh Day Sabbath Worship to First Day of the Week
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Re <<Hence we can render Matthew 28 thus: "In the end of the Sabbaths as it began to dawn towards the first of the Sabbaths...">>
No we can't! What audacity!
O yes, I forgot, it is the <Holy Spirit! - Holy Spirit! - Holy Spirit!>. To deny, is more than audacity, it's blasphemy! Because JunChosen declared, <<Hence...>>...<<Hence we can render Matthew 28 thus: "In the end of the Sabbaths as it began to dawn towards the first of the Sabbaths...">> <Hence> -- by reason of what? By reason of it is the <Holy Spirit! - Holy Spirit! - Holy Spirit!>. <Hence> JunChosen declared! And in prophetic delirium brabbles on, <<the Sabbaths..." that is an era of Sabbaths is ending and a new era of Sabbaths can be seen dawning in the horizon towards the first of many Sabbaths to come.>>
The Spirit of God? You must be kidding.
Mam, don't play the humiliation game. If you have <<color coded the Old red>>, you lie because there is no word <Old>, one of the two words I asked you for. <<It is referring to COVENANTS, and Exodus 34:28 says what that covenant is. "And He wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments.">>.
You love the humiliating game. You'll regret.
Here you ASSUME YOUR WILLFUL CHOICE of the one son of Abraham before or above the other -- you rever the one sinner better than the other AT THE EXPENCE OF GOD'S CHOICE. Typical <charismatic>.
GOD'S CHOSEN VESSEL of Redemption NEVER has been EITHER of Isaac and Ismael. NEITHER of Hagar and Sarah. Neither of Mount Sinai and Mount of Olives. NOT JERUSALEM THAT NOW IS, BUT "Jerusalem ABOVE, THAT IS FREE".
This is how you have demolished your own WILLFUL false <New Covenant> AS THE COVENANT OF MAN - THE <old covenant> and exposed it and yourself its apologist, for the fakes you both are.
Brett Cleveland
Free-will is a sly, and insidious foe,
It haunts me and plagues me wherever I go;
In pulpit or pew, meditation or prayer,
In reading or writing, he's sure to be there.
Free-will is a trap in which Satan ensnares
The Pharisee, even while saying his prayers;
All heavenly work-folk are caught with the bait;
Their doings so good, and their merits so great.
Free-will is rank poison, a curse, and a bane,
Diffusing its venom through every vein;
This cup of free-will Adam drank in the fall,
Which poison'd himself and infected us all.
Free-will is a plague which in Eden began,
And marr'd all the beauty of innocent man;
The leprosy spread from the head to the feet.
His offspring all caught the infection complete.
Free-will is a thief, of an impudent face,
Who aims to rob God of his Glory and grace;
Ye watchmen in Zion, who are faithful and bold,
Hunt out the base robber from every fold.
Free-will is a murd'rer of souls every day,
And millions are slain 'neath his pond'rous sway;
This murd'rous assassin has people in hell,
Who ever in torments with devils must dwell.
Free-will is a traitor to Jesus, my Lord;
Rebels at his sovereignty, counsel, and word;
Defying his power with impious strain,
And cries, "I'll not have this Jesus to reign."
Free-will is a liar, says "tis with ease
A man can believe and repent when he please.
That he's a free agent, and so may refuse
The good or the evil, whichever he choose."
Free-will's an imposter and cheat at the best,
To offer salvation he never possess'd
If certain conditions I only fulfil,
Yet gives me no power to do nor to will.
Free-will as a tyrant once rul'd over me;
But Jesus o'ercame him, and now I am free;
Made willing to own him my King from that hour,
I bow to his sceptre and yield to his power.
Free-grace is a scheme which Jehovah began,
in covenant counsel He drew up the plan;
The mighty Redeemer accomplish'd the whole
And the Spirit imparted its joys in my soul.
Free-grace is distinguishing, sovereign to choose
What objects to favour and whom to refuse;
His purpose must stand who is God ever blest,
The election obtain'd it, and blind are the rest.
Free-grace from contingencies ever secure,
Its blessings are absolute, certain and sure;
For all that are chosen and purchased by blood
Are conquer'd and made willing servants to God.
Free-grace first enriched me when needy and poor,
And led me to Christ's inexhaustible store;
Heal'd all my diseases when ready to die,
And covered my nakedness as he passed by.
Free-grace drew me out of the miry clay,
When sunk in the ruins of nature I lay;
Wash'd from the filth and pollution of sin,
And made me both righteous and perfectly clean.
Free-grace in Christ Jesus secures all the crop
Of spiritual graces, my love, joy, and hope.
Faith, patience, and meekness, with temperance too,
And courage to bear me the conflict all through.
Free-grace has to me an inheritance given,
Laid up and reserved in the kingdom of heaven;
And keeps me securely, through faith,
until I Shall enter upon my possessions on high.
Free-grace is the theme of the glorified throng,
While ages eternal are rolling along;
All glory and honour ascribe they to Him,
Who liveth and reigneth the only Supreme.
Free-grace is the boast of true pilgrims below,
As through this dark valley to Zion they go.
Delighted the watchmen all lift up their voice,
Of free-grace salvation they sing and rejoice.
Free-grace long has been my soul's triumph and joy;
And, while in the body, shall be my employ;
And when my glad Spirit to God shall ascend
Free-grace is the song which shall never have end.
Brett Cleveland
Free-will is a sly, and insidious foe,
It haunts me and plagues me wherever I go;
In pulpit or pew, meditation or prayer,
In reading or writing, he's sure to be there.
Free-will is a trap in which Satan ensnares
The Pharisee, even while saying his prayers;
All heavenly work-folk are caught with the bait;
Their doings so good, and their merits so great.
Free-will is rank poison, a curse, and a bane,
Diffusing its venom through every vein;
This cup of free-will Adam drank in the fall,
Which poison'd himself and infected us all.
Free-will is a plague which in Eden began,
And marr'd all the beauty of innocent man;
The leprosy spread from the head to the feet.
His offspring all caught the infection complete.
Free-will is a thief, of an impudent face,
Who aims to rob God of his Glory and grace;
Ye watchmen in Zion, who are faithful and bold,
Hunt out the base robber from every fold.
Free-will is a murd'rer of souls every day,
And millions are slain 'neath his pond'rous sway;
This murd'rous assassin has people in hell,
Who ever in torments with devils must dwell.
Free-will is a traitor to Jesus, my Lord;
Rebels at his sovereignty, counsel, and word;
Defying his power with impious strain,
And cries, "I'll not have this Jesus to reign."
Free-will is a liar, says "tis with ease
A man can believe and repent when he please.
That he's a free agent, and so may refuse
The good or the evil, whichever he choose."
Free-will's an imposter and cheat at the best,
To offer salvation he never possess'd
If certain conditions I only fulfil,
Yet gives me no power to do nor to will.
Free-will as a tyrant once rul'd over me;
But Jesus o'ercame him, and now I am free;
Made willing to own him my King from that hour,
I bow to his sceptre and yield to his power.
Free-grace is a scheme which Jehovah began,
in covenant counsel He drew up the plan;
The mighty Redeemer accomplish'd the whole
And the Spirit imparted its joys in my soul.
Free-grace is distinguishing, sovereign to choose
What objects to favour and whom to refuse;
His purpose must stand who is God ever blest,
The election obtain'd it, and blind are the rest.
Free-grace from contingencies ever secure,
Its blessings are absolute, certain and sure;
For all that are chosen and purchased by blood
Are conquer'd and made willing servants to God.
Free-grace first enriched me when needy and poor,
And led me to Christ's inexhaustible store;
Heal'd all my diseases when ready to die,
And covered my nakedness as he passed by.
Free-grace drew me out of the miry clay,
When sunk in the ruins of nature I lay;
Wash'd from the filth and pollution of sin,
And made me both righteous and perfectly clean.
Free-grace in Christ Jesus secures all the crop
Of spiritual graces, my love, joy, and hope.
Faith, patience, and meekness, with temperance too,
And courage to bear me the conflict all through.
Free-grace has to me an inheritance given,
Laid up and reserved in the kingdom of heaven;
And keeps me securely, through faith,
until I Shall enter upon my possessions on high.
Free-grace is the theme of the glorified throng,
While ages eternal are rolling along;
All glory and honour ascribe they to Him,
Who liveth and reigneth the only Supreme.
Free-grace is the boast of true pilgrims below,
As through this dark valley to Zion they go.
Delighted the watchmen all lift up their voice,
Of free-grace salvation they sing and rejoice.
Free-grace long has been my soul's triumph and joy;
And, while in the body, shall be my employ;
And when my glad Spirit to God shall ascend
Free-grace is the song which shall never have end.
Brett Cleveland
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The Ten Commandments is part of God's Covenant with his own People as revealed in the OT Scriptures; it is not <the old covenant> which is the covenant man swore and consistently did not keep. This <old covenant> was never the or a Covenant of God's. So it could not become obsolete. On the contrary it just grew stronger and until this day never stopped growing more toxic and infectious.
The Ten Commandments is indeed the only thing ever engraved on stone. Therefore - THEREFORE the Law which is written on hearts of stone and consequently changes the heart to a heart of flesh, cannot be ANY Law, physically / literally so not the Ten Commandments but God's Law IN GOD IN MAN'S HEART IS God's Eternal eternally NEW Covenantal therefore SPIRITUAL Law. Nothing can replace God as our Law.
I cannot fathom that the child of God would reason, Lord forgive my sins of today, at 9 am I accused the gardenenr falsely - transgression of Commandment number 7 (or is it 6 or 8) of the Ten? At noon I called your Name in vain and so on. There is no such thing in anyone's mind unless he may be nuts.
David is my example. O How I love your Law o God --- says, O How I love YOU my God!
I fear none but God -- is my prayer. Shall I fear images of the 'Holy Spirit' supposed to be, engraven in letters of ink? Then would I fear the Roman Catholic's Jesus' lying in sarcophaguses the world over, bleeding.
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Deuteronomy 6:5 (Deuteronomy 5:6-21; Exodus 20:1-17); Leviticus 19:17-18.
Leviticus 16; Revelation 8:5; Acts 3:19; Daniel 12:1; Luke 13:25; Revelation 22:11.
What? I was asking what day of the week (1-7) do you believe that the "Lord's supper" was instituted in the NT? You gave me no answer that could be understood. I just want to know what day, you believe that is, the first day, the second day, the third day, the fourth day, the fifth day, the sixth day, the seventh day of the week? You cannot provide that simple answer when someone is asking you? I am trying to understand your bizarre theology, and you wont even provide that basic information? If you cannot do it, forget me ever listening to you again.
the Hebrew day begins with sundown - there is evening, and there is morning: one day
the last supper was a seder, which would be on the night that begins wednesday, but all us pagans with our Julian calendars call tuesday night - Christ was then crucified on Pascha, during the day which is the second half of Hebrew Wednesday, choosing to lay down His life at exactly the time the Paschal lamb is slain in the temple
in terms of Julian calendar,
the seder was tuesday night, and He was crucified wednesday afternoon, then in the tomb:
wednesday night / thursday day
thursday night / friday day
friday night / saturday day
and He rose sometime after nightfall saturday and before daybreak sunday.
in terms of the Hebrew calendar,
the seder was on the 4th night, and He was crucified on the 4th day, Pascha, then in the tomb:
the 5th day ((high sabbath of Unleavened Bread))
the 6th day
the 7th day ((weekly sabbath))
and He rose sometime after nightfall on Firstfruits, the 8th day which is also the 1st.
the last supper was a seder, which would be on the night that begins wednesday, but all us pagans with our Julian calendars call tuesday night - Christ was then crucified on Pascha, during the day which is the second half of Hebrew Wednesday, choosing to lay down His life at exactly the time the Paschal lamb is slain in the temple
in terms of Julian calendar,
the seder was tuesday night, and He was crucified wednesday afternoon, then in the tomb:
wednesday night / thursday day
thursday night / friday day
friday night / saturday day
and He rose sometime after nightfall saturday and before daybreak sunday.
in terms of the Hebrew calendar,
the seder was on the 4th night, and He was crucified on the 4th day, Pascha, then in the tomb:
the 5th day ((high sabbath of Unleavened Bread))
the 6th day
the 7th day ((weekly sabbath))
and He rose sometime after nightfall on Firstfruits, the 8th day which is also the 1st.
Ok, I couldn't disagree with you (post) more. I understand it to be the 6th day (in the beginning at evening). If GE believes the same, I disagree also with him in the same. I think it completely contradictory to the scriptural timeline given in Leviticus 23 and the Gospels.
Ziggy
Well-Known Member
4th day made me think of 4th watch.
I dunno why, but this is what I found:
Mar 6:48 And he saw them toiling in rowing; for the wind was contrary unto them: and about the fourth watch of the night he cometh unto them, walking upon the sea, and would have passed by them.
Like, the day he was crucified is the night he was walking upon the sea.
Psa 90:4 For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night.
Time flys.
Act 20:31 Therefore watch, and remember, that by the space of three years I ceased not to warn every one night and day with tears.
Jesus's ministry was for 3. years?
Mat 24:43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.
Rev 3:3 Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.
I think this IS speaking about the Passover..
Those that knew to put blood upon the doorposts..
The night of the crucifixion.. there was blood on the DOOR.
Jhn 10:9 I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.
In the 4th watch Jesus was walking on the sea... 3 years of tears.
thinking...
Hugs
I dunno why, but this is what I found:
Mar 6:48 And he saw them toiling in rowing; for the wind was contrary unto them: and about the fourth watch of the night he cometh unto them, walking upon the sea, and would have passed by them.
Like, the day he was crucified is the night he was walking upon the sea.
Psa 90:4 For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night.
Time flys.
Act 20:31 Therefore watch, and remember, that by the space of three years I ceased not to warn every one night and day with tears.
Jesus's ministry was for 3. years?
Mat 24:43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.
Rev 3:3 Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.
I think this IS speaking about the Passover..
Those that knew to put blood upon the doorposts..
The night of the crucifixion.. there was blood on the DOOR.
Jhn 10:9 I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.
In the 4th watch Jesus was walking on the sea... 3 years of tears.
thinking...
Hugs
If that were true then the women don't have two sabbaths in between the crucifixion and the resurrection, so they would have come to the tomb with the spices they had bought and prepared a whole day before He rose.
In your scenario the high sabbath of unleavened bread falls on a weekly sabbath, then they buy and prepare spices, and come to the tomb after He's only been in the belly of the earth 2 days.
Ziggy
Well-Known Member
I find it interesting that the women were preparing spices, when Nicodemus already braught 100 weight the night he was taken down from the cross.
Jhn 19:38 And after this Joseph of Arimathaea, being a disciple of Jesus, but secretly for fear of the Jews, besought Pilate that he might take away the body of Jesus: and Pilate gave him leave. He came therefore, and took the body of Jesus.
Jhn 19:39 And there came also Nicodemus, which at the first came to Jesus by night, and brought a mixture of myrrh and aloes, about an hundred pound weight.
Jhn 19:40 Then took they the body of Jesus, and wound it in linen clothes with the spices, as the manner of the Jews is to bury.
Jhn 19:41 Now in the place where he was crucified there was a garden; and in the garden a new sepulchre, wherein was never man yet laid.
Jhn 19:42 There laid they Jesus therefore because of the Jews' preparation day; for the sepulchre was nigh at hand.
So what is the preparation day? this would be friday?
Mar 15:42 And now when the even was come, because it was the preparation, that is, the day before the sabbath,
Jhn 19:31 The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.
So there would have been 2 preparation days that week.
Now we have Joseph and Nicodemus. They take Jesus body, wrap it linen with the 100 weight of spices.
The women from Galilee, they are following.
Luk 23:55 And the women also, which came with him from Galilee, followed after, and beheld the sepulchre, and how his body was laid.
Luk 23:56 And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment.
So the women and the men prepared the spices together?
Mat 24:28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
oh this is SO cool.
Exo 19:4 Ye have seen what I did unto the Egyptians, and how I bare you on eagles' wings, and brought you unto myself.
still thinking..
so cool..
Hugs
Jhn 19:38 And after this Joseph of Arimathaea, being a disciple of Jesus, but secretly for fear of the Jews, besought Pilate that he might take away the body of Jesus: and Pilate gave him leave. He came therefore, and took the body of Jesus.
Jhn 19:39 And there came also Nicodemus, which at the first came to Jesus by night, and brought a mixture of myrrh and aloes, about an hundred pound weight.
Jhn 19:40 Then took they the body of Jesus, and wound it in linen clothes with the spices, as the manner of the Jews is to bury.
Jhn 19:41 Now in the place where he was crucified there was a garden; and in the garden a new sepulchre, wherein was never man yet laid.
Jhn 19:42 There laid they Jesus therefore because of the Jews' preparation day; for the sepulchre was nigh at hand.
So what is the preparation day? this would be friday?
Mar 15:42 And now when the even was come, because it was the preparation, that is, the day before the sabbath,
Jhn 19:31 The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.
So there would have been 2 preparation days that week.
Now we have Joseph and Nicodemus. They take Jesus body, wrap it linen with the 100 weight of spices.
The women from Galilee, they are following.
Luk 23:55 And the women also, which came with him from Galilee, followed after, and beheld the sepulchre, and how his body was laid.
Luk 23:56 And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment.
So the women and the men prepared the spices together?
Mat 24:28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
oh this is SO cool.
Exo 19:4 Ye have seen what I did unto the Egyptians, and how I bare you on eagles' wings, and brought you unto myself.
still thinking..
so cool..
Hugs
Ziggy
Well-Known Member
Isa 40:31 But they that wait upon the LORD shall renew their strength; they shall mount up with wings as eagles; they shall run, and not be weary; and they shall walk, and not faint.
Rev 12:14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.
Time is SHORT.
Hugs
Rev 12:14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.
Time is SHORT.
Hugs
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