No Mam, you are <grasping at straws>. I say and Scriptures say NO WORD OF <<old>> covenant. Your entire strawman consists of that one, non-existing straw-word <old> in relation to the "Covenant" OF GOD.
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God changed Seventh Day Sabbath Worship to First Day of the Week
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So?
Mam, you just reject the Sabbath of the Lord God so you can have your Sunday instead - and your Holy Charm of course.
Here:
"Here is the timeline, irrefutable by scripture:
[the 7th Day Sabbath of the LORD thy God]
Jesus at Lazarus' house in Bethany [Mt. Olivet] – [John 12:1]
[the first [day] of the week]
Jesus Triumphal Entry into Jerusalem, "the next day" from leaving Lazarus' house, Hosanna! - [John 12:12,13; Matthew 21:10; Mark 11:11], goes to the Temple, and after looking around, leaves, since it was close to evening back out unto Mt. Olivet.
[the second [day] of the week]
Jesus comes back, curses the fig tree, goes to the Temple, and cleanses the Temple for the Second [last] time of the Money Changers - [Matthew 21:12,13,17; Mark 11:12,15,16,17,19], and Jesus goes back out.
[the third [day] of the week]
Jesus comes back, the Fig tree is withered up from the roots, goes to the Temple, and has the final teachings to the Pharisees, etc - [Matthew 21:18,23; Mark 11:20,27].
This was the "two days" before the "Passover" - [Matthew 26:1-2; Mark 14:1; Luke 21:37-38, 22:1].
Jesus tells the Jewish nation, that their house is forever left desolate, no more fruit again - [Matthew 23:37-39; Luke 13:32-35].
Jesus said, that He still had to do "cures" and "cast out devils" "to day, tomorrow and the third day" and be done - [Luke 13:32,33]
Jesus had been "daily" in the Temple - [Matthew 26:55; Mark 14:49; Luke 19:47, 22:53; John 18:20]
The "to day" [Luke 13:32]
This was the "two days" before the "Passover" - [Matthew 26:1-2; Mark 14:1; Luke 21:37-38, 22:1].
Jesus tells the Jewish nation, that their house is forever left desolate, no more fruit again - [Matthew 23:37-39; Luke 13:32-35].
Jesus said, that He still had to do "cures" and "cast out devils" "to day, tomorrow and the third day" and be done - [Luke 13:32,33]
Jesus had been "daily" in the Temple - [Matthew 26:55; Mark 14:49; Luke 19:47, 22:53; John 18:20]
The "to day" [Luke 13:32]
[the fourth [day] of the week]
The "tomorrow" [Luke 13:32,33]
[the fifth [day] of the week]
The "Third Day" [Luke 13:32,33], being done.
[the sixth [day] of the week; preparation]
Gather twice as much, Christ Jesus the anti-typical Manna, Exodus 16:25,26
The "spices" "had been" [Mark 16:1] purchased sometime after the Crucifixion and before burial so that they could "prepare" [Luke 23:56] them to bring on the "first [day] of the week" [Luke 24:1], even as we see Joseph of Arimathaea doing for the linen - [Mark 14:46]
1st Evening Part - [Matthew 26:31,34; Mark 14:27,30]
1st Morning [Light] Part - [Matthew 27:21; Mark 15:1]
Abib/Nisan 14th; Christ Jesus our Passover is Sacrificed for us - [1 Corinthians 5:7],
The "spices" "had been" [Mark 16:1] purchased sometime after the Crucifixion and before burial so that they could "prepare" [Luke 23:56] them to bring on the "first [day] of the week" [Luke 24:1], even as we see Joseph of Arimathaea doing for the linen - [Mark 14:46]
1st Evening Part - [Matthew 26:31,34; Mark 14:27,30]
1st Morning [Light] Part - [Matthew 27:21; Mark 15:1]
Abib/Nisan 14th; Christ Jesus our Passover is Sacrificed for us - [1 Corinthians 5:7],
[the 7th Day Sabbath of the LORD thy God]
Jesus remained in the Tomb all Sabbath - anti-type Manna - Exodus 16:29,30
The Disciples were keeping the Sabbath according to the Commandment - [Exodus 20:8-11; Luke 23:54,56]
2nd Evening and 2nd Morning Parts - [Matthew 27:58-66, 28:1; Mark 15:42-47; Luke 23:52-53,54; John 19:38-42]
Abib/Nisan 15th - Seasonal Feast Sabbath [First Day of Unleavened Bread, without corruption] - [Leviticus 23:5-8]
The Disciples were keeping the Sabbath according to the Commandment - [Exodus 20:8-11; Luke 23:54,56]
2nd Evening and 2nd Morning Parts - [Matthew 27:58-66, 28:1; Mark 15:42-47; Luke 23:52-53,54; John 19:38-42]
Abib/Nisan 15th - Seasonal Feast Sabbath [First Day of Unleavened Bread, without corruption] - [Leviticus 23:5-8]
[the first [day] of the week]
Christ Jesus, preserved and Risen - Anti-type Manna - Exodus 16:32-34
3rd Evening and 3rd Morning Parts, Christ Risen and shown alive - [Matthew 28:1-10; Mark 16:2-20; Luke 24:1-29; John 20:1-23]
Abib/Nisan 16th; Christ the Firstfruits/Wavesheaf Offering, Anti-Type Resurrection - [1 Corinthians 15:20,23].
Jesus was walking with the disciples on the Road to Emmaus on the "first [day] of the week", as the day was closing out, being "the third day since these things" were done [Luke 24:21],
3rd Evening and 3rd Morning Parts, Christ Risen and shown alive - [Matthew 28:1-10; Mark 16:2-20; Luke 24:1-29; John 20:1-23]
Abib/Nisan 16th; Christ the Firstfruits/Wavesheaf Offering, Anti-Type Resurrection - [1 Corinthians 15:20,23].
Jesus was walking with the disciples on the Road to Emmaus on the "first [day] of the week", as the day was closing out, being "the third day since these things" were done [Luke 24:21],
[the second [day] of the week]
Jesus was still walking with the two disciples on the Road to Emmaus as the first [day] of the week was closing, and it becomes Evening - [Luke 24:29,35, etc]
More:
Some attempt to utilize Matthew 26:2, incorrectly, but notice that they say "after two days" points to (Wednesday, Thursday), and so land upon 'Thursday' [5th [day] of the week] in completion for the Crucifixion/Passover, but this cannot be, due to the very time table and language of the text itself.
The text does not say "within two days", but rather it states "after" two days, which would place the event, not on 'Thursday', but rather on 'Friday', the 'Third day", which comes "after" two days. Notice the Bible:
After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight. Hosea 6:2
We can see similar use, in John 4:40,43. The "two days" does not include the day "after" them which we see given in Luke 13:32,33.
So when, Jesus said, on that 'Tuesday' [3rd [day] of the week], that "after" "two days", it would bring us to the 'third day', being 'Friday' [the sixth [day] of the week], in perfect accordance with all typological and prophetic statements gone over.
Therefore, according to Scripture, itself, "after two days" [the "two days" being 'Wednesday', 'Thursday', the "fourth and fifth [days] of the week]], speaks to the "third day" ['Friday', the sixth [day] of the week]], not to the second of the two days.
We can know when Jesus said this saying of "after two days", because He stated it in Matthew 26:2; Mark 14:1, which was on the third [day] of the week, 'Tuesday' [see previous time table] , for He had just finished speaking to the Pharisees, and had gone out from the Temple, leaving their house "desolate", to the Mount of Olives, as we see foreshadowed in Ezekiel:
And the glory of the LORD went up from the midst of the city, and stood upon the mountain which is on the east side of the city. Ezekiel 11:23
The incorrect pattern of some [Wednesday/Thursday Crucifixion] does not incorporate all the typological elements, namely the Manna in Exodus 16, nor of the 3 days and 3 nights, and therefore, cannot be correct on those grounds, and others.
Error cannot ever sanctify, and so we plead please, that they give up this incorrect apriori that they are holding onto which leads them to such an time-table that does not incorporate all the elements, and that Jesus, in their scenario, had to arise on Sabbath, for this is not possible, especially in that point, for in His resurrection, Jesus went to work, for there was much more for Him to fulfill, even as it is written in Daniel; Hebrews; Revelation, etc.
God/'Jesus' was "finished" after the 6th Day of Creation and rested the 7th Day:
And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, [it was] very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day. - Genesis 1:31
Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. - Genesis 2:1
And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. - Genesis 2:2
And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made. - Genesis 2:3
Turning to the New Testament Gospels, we find Jesus "finished" with the courtyard ministry on earth, in the same time, the 6th Day, entering into His rest the 7th Day:
When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost. - John 19:30
Creation [Exodus 20:8-11] & Redemption [Deuteronomy 5:12-15] meet, forever sealed, the Holy 7th Day the Sabbath of the LORD thy God, the sign of His rest from His work, and so much more [soon to be gone into, and what it means for the Everlasting Gospel itself]." - Does the day of Christ resurrection tell us to worship on Sunday?
Additional:
"Extra consideration, is also to be had about the following text, "the Spices", when were they purchased?:
“And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him.” Mark 16:1
For those which advocate a middle of the week [Wednesday, or Thursday], or elsewhere Crucifixion for Jesus, utilize this text along with the phrases “three days and three nights” [Jonah 1:17; Matthew 12:40] and “in the heart of the earth” [Matthew 12:40] in isolation, attempting to prove that Jesus needed to be in the grave for 72 hours [12 full hours for each day and night], some having Jesus raised the Seventh Day Sabbath, others on Sunday, others raised elsewhere, depending on their various respective views.
For these advocates of such eisigeted theologies/explanations, ask the question, how could those women, “ Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome”, all “had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him” since they were not allowed to do so during “seasonal” feast “sabbath” hours, nor during the 7th Day Sabbath hours?
Generally, the question is begged with the apriori position that they could have had no time from the time Jesus was crucified and burial to do so.
However, let us see what we will of the Scriptures first in all four Gospel accounts together [beginning with the “Truly this was the Son of God” statement/event and continuing from there], before addressing this:
“Now when the centurion, and they that were with him, watching Jesus, saw the earthquake, and those things that were done, they feared greatly, saying, Truly this was the Son of God.” Matthew 27:54
“And when the centurion, which stood over against him, saw that he so cried out, and gave up the ghost, he said, Truly this man was the Son of God.” Mark 15:39
“Now when the centurion saw what was done, he glorified God, saying, Certainly this was a righteous man.” Luke 23:47
“And all the people that came together to that sight, beholding the things which were done, smote their breasts, and returned.” Luke 23:48
“And many women were there beholding afar off, which followed Jesus from Galilee, ministering unto him:” Matthew 27:55
“There were also women looking on afar off: among whom was Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James the less and of Joses, and Salome;” Mark 15:40
“And all his acquaintance, and the women that followed him from Galilee, stood afar off, beholding these things.” Luke 23:49
“Among which was Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James and Joses, and the mother of Zebedee's children.” Matthew 27:56
“(Who also, when he was in Galilee, followed him, and ministered unto him: ) and many other women which came up with him unto Jerusalem.” Mark 15:41
“When the even was come, there came a rich man of Arimathaea, named Joseph, who also himself was Jesus' disciple:” Matthew 27:57
“And now when the even was come, because it was the preparation, that is, the day before the sabbath,” Mark 15:42
“And, behold, there was a man named Joseph, a counsellor; and he was a good man, and a just:” Luke 23:50
“(The same had not consented to the counsel and deed of them; ) he was of Arimathaea, a city of the Jews: who also himself waited for the kingdom of God.” Luke 23:51
“He went to Pilate, and begged the body of Jesus. Then Pilate commanded the body to be delivered.” Matthew 27:58
“Joseph of Arimathaea, an honourable counsellor, which also waited for the kingdom of God, came, and went in boldly unto Pilate, and craved the body of Jesus.” Mark 15:43
“And Pilate marvelled if he were already dead: and calling unto him the centurion, he asked him whether he had been any while dead.” Mark 15:44
“And when he knew it of the centurion, he gave the body to Joseph.” Mark 15:45
“This man went unto Pilate, and begged the body of Jesus.” Luke 23:52
“And after this Joseph of Arimathaea, being a disciple of Jesus, but secretly for fear of the Jews, besought Pilate that he might take away the body of Jesus: and Pilate gave him leave. He came therefore, and took the body of Jesus.” John 19:38
“And when Joseph had taken the body, he wrapped it in a clean linen cloth,” Matthew 27:59
“And he bought fine linen, and took him down, and wrapped him in the linen, and laid him in a sepulchre which was hewn out of a rock, and rolled a stone unto the door of the sepulchre.” Mark 15:46
“And he took it down, and wrapped it in linen, and laid it in a sepulchre that was hewn in stone, wherein never man before was laid.” Luke 23:53
“And there came also Nicodemus, which at the first came to Jesus by night, and brought a mixture of myrrh and aloes, about an hundred pound [weight].” John 19:39
“Then took they the body of Jesus, and wound it in linen clothes with the spices, as the manner of the Jews is to bury.” John 19:40
“And that day was the preparation, and the sabbath drew on.” Luke 23:54
“Now in the place where he was crucified there was a garden; and in the garden a new sepulchre, wherein was never man yet laid.” John 19:41
“There laid they Jesus therefore because of the Jews' preparation [day]; for the sepulchre was nigh at hand.” John 19:42
“And laid it in his own new tomb, which he had hewn out in the rock: and he rolled a great stone to the door of the sepulchre, and departed.” Matthew 27:60
“And there was Mary Magdalene, and the other Mary, sitting over against the sepulchre.” Matthew 27:61
“And Mary Magdalene and Mary the mother of Joses beheld where he was laid.” Mark 15:47
“And the women also, which came with him from Galilee, followed after, and beheld the sepulchre, and how his body was laid.” Luke 23:55
“And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment.” Luke 23:56
“In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.” Matthew 28:1
“And, behold, there was a great earthquake: for the angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat upon it.” Matthew 28:2
“And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him.” Mark 16:1
“And very early in the morning the first day of the week, they came unto the sepulchre at the rising of the sun.” Mark 16:2
“And they said among themselves, Who shall roll us away the stone from the door of the sepulchre?” Mark 16:3
“And when they looked, they saw that the stone was rolled away: for it was very great.” Mark 16:4
“Now upon the first [day] of the week, very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain [others] with them.” Luke 24:1
“And they found the stone rolled away from the sepulchre.” Luke 24:2
“The first [day] of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.” John 20:1" - Does the day of Christ resurrection tell us to worship on Sunday?
“And when the centurion, which stood over against him, saw that he so cried out, and gave up the ghost, he said, Truly this man was the Son of God.” Mark 15:39
“Now when the centurion saw what was done, he glorified God, saying, Certainly this was a righteous man.” Luke 23:47
“And all the people that came together to that sight, beholding the things which were done, smote their breasts, and returned.” Luke 23:48
“And many women were there beholding afar off, which followed Jesus from Galilee, ministering unto him:” Matthew 27:55
“There were also women looking on afar off: among whom was Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James the less and of Joses, and Salome;” Mark 15:40
“And all his acquaintance, and the women that followed him from Galilee, stood afar off, beholding these things.” Luke 23:49
“Among which was Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James and Joses, and the mother of Zebedee's children.” Matthew 27:56
“(Who also, when he was in Galilee, followed him, and ministered unto him: ) and many other women which came up with him unto Jerusalem.” Mark 15:41
“When the even was come, there came a rich man of Arimathaea, named Joseph, who also himself was Jesus' disciple:” Matthew 27:57
“And now when the even was come, because it was the preparation, that is, the day before the sabbath,” Mark 15:42
“And, behold, there was a man named Joseph, a counsellor; and he was a good man, and a just:” Luke 23:50
“(The same had not consented to the counsel and deed of them; ) he was of Arimathaea, a city of the Jews: who also himself waited for the kingdom of God.” Luke 23:51
“He went to Pilate, and begged the body of Jesus. Then Pilate commanded the body to be delivered.” Matthew 27:58
“Joseph of Arimathaea, an honourable counsellor, which also waited for the kingdom of God, came, and went in boldly unto Pilate, and craved the body of Jesus.” Mark 15:43
“And Pilate marvelled if he were already dead: and calling unto him the centurion, he asked him whether he had been any while dead.” Mark 15:44
“And when he knew it of the centurion, he gave the body to Joseph.” Mark 15:45
“This man went unto Pilate, and begged the body of Jesus.” Luke 23:52
“And after this Joseph of Arimathaea, being a disciple of Jesus, but secretly for fear of the Jews, besought Pilate that he might take away the body of Jesus: and Pilate gave him leave. He came therefore, and took the body of Jesus.” John 19:38
“And when Joseph had taken the body, he wrapped it in a clean linen cloth,” Matthew 27:59
“And he bought fine linen, and took him down, and wrapped him in the linen, and laid him in a sepulchre which was hewn out of a rock, and rolled a stone unto the door of the sepulchre.” Mark 15:46
“And he took it down, and wrapped it in linen, and laid it in a sepulchre that was hewn in stone, wherein never man before was laid.” Luke 23:53
“And there came also Nicodemus, which at the first came to Jesus by night, and brought a mixture of myrrh and aloes, about an hundred pound [weight].” John 19:39
“Then took they the body of Jesus, and wound it in linen clothes with the spices, as the manner of the Jews is to bury.” John 19:40
“And that day was the preparation, and the sabbath drew on.” Luke 23:54
“Now in the place where he was crucified there was a garden; and in the garden a new sepulchre, wherein was never man yet laid.” John 19:41
“There laid they Jesus therefore because of the Jews' preparation [day]; for the sepulchre was nigh at hand.” John 19:42
“And laid it in his own new tomb, which he had hewn out in the rock: and he rolled a great stone to the door of the sepulchre, and departed.” Matthew 27:60
“And there was Mary Magdalene, and the other Mary, sitting over against the sepulchre.” Matthew 27:61
“And Mary Magdalene and Mary the mother of Joses beheld where he was laid.” Mark 15:47
“And the women also, which came with him from Galilee, followed after, and beheld the sepulchre, and how his body was laid.” Luke 23:55
“And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment.” Luke 23:56
“In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.” Matthew 28:1
“And, behold, there was a great earthquake: for the angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat upon it.” Matthew 28:2
“And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him.” Mark 16:1
“And very early in the morning the first day of the week, they came unto the sepulchre at the rising of the sun.” Mark 16:2
“And they said among themselves, Who shall roll us away the stone from the door of the sepulchre?” Mark 16:3
“And when they looked, they saw that the stone was rolled away: for it was very great.” Mark 16:4
“Now upon the first [day] of the week, very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain [others] with them.” Luke 24:1
“And they found the stone rolled away from the sepulchre.” Luke 24:2
“The first [day] of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.” John 20:1" - Does the day of Christ resurrection tell us to worship on Sunday?
Additional:
"Without resorting to various theories as held by others, what does the text plainly give to us?
We read that on the very same day that Jesus was Crucified, being the Passover, the 14th of Aviv/Nisan, the sixth day of the week,
[1] Jesus died “about the ninth hour” [approximately 3 PM], according to the Scripture [Matthew 27:46; Mark 15:33-34; Luke 23:44], in fulfillment of Prophecy and Typology, He being the “Lamb of God”, even the “Passover” Lamb, prepared for the “evening sacrifice” (and as an additional note, see also the importance of the "morning" sacrifice, and when Jesus was Hung upon the Cross and for how long He was therefore).
[2] Joseph of Arimathaea had time on that same day after Jesus' death to approach and ask of Pilate for the Body of Jesus [Matthew 27:57-58; Mark 15:42-43; Luke 23:50-52; John 19:38].
[3] Pontius Pilate had time on that same day after Jesus' death to summon the guard, and inquire about Jesus' death [Mark 15:44-45].
[4] Joseph of Arimathaea on that same day had time to come back from asking Pilate, and the inquisition made by Pilate to the Soldier, to the Cross, and take down the body of Jesus to be carried away [John 19:38].
[5] Joseph of Arimathaea had time on that same day, after Jesus' death and after asking Pontius Pilate for the body of Jesus, and the inquisition made of Pilate to the guard, and taking Jesus down and way, to then purchase afterward [“And bought”] “fine linen” to wrap Jesus' body in [Mark 15:46].
[6] Nicodemus had time on that same day to bring [“brought”] “a mixture of myrrh and aloes, about an hundred pound [weight]” [John 19:39] along with Joseph of Arimathaea to then “wound it in linen clothes with the spices” and embalm the body of Jesus with [Matthew 27:59; Mark 15:46; Luke 23:53; John 19:40].
[7] According to the texts, there was still time before the Sabbath, according to the commandment [Luke 23:56] had come, as the Scriptures reveal that it was still “the preparation day”, though the “sabbath drew on” [or was nearing] [Luke 23:54].
[8] They all had time on that same day, even after all these events to go to the tomb with Jesus and lay Him in the tomb, and seal it [Matthew 27:60-61; Mark 15:47; Luke 23:55; John 19:41-42].
[9] Even after the women saw how Jesus was laid in the tomb, and the tomb then sealed, they still had sufficient time before the sabbath was upon them to “return” from the tomb to their homes.
[10] Once the women had “returned” to their homes [some Jerusalem, others possibly Olivet] they still had enough time, because the Scriptures recorded that they then “prepared spices and ointments” [Luke 23:56] before the Sabbath, in which they then when it had come, finally, “rested according to the commandment.” [Luke 23:56] and later came after the sabbath was past, even early in the morning of the first day of the week, even "bringing the spices which they had prepared" (Luke 24:1) the day of Christ's Crucifixion, wherein then it is obvious that they "had bought" them that day, the sixth day of the week, before the 7th Day the Sabbath of the LORD thy God, according to the Commandment actually commenced, which was about 3 hours.
[2] Joseph of Arimathaea had time on that same day after Jesus' death to approach and ask of Pilate for the Body of Jesus [Matthew 27:57-58; Mark 15:42-43; Luke 23:50-52; John 19:38].
[3] Pontius Pilate had time on that same day after Jesus' death to summon the guard, and inquire about Jesus' death [Mark 15:44-45].
[4] Joseph of Arimathaea on that same day had time to come back from asking Pilate, and the inquisition made by Pilate to the Soldier, to the Cross, and take down the body of Jesus to be carried away [John 19:38].
[5] Joseph of Arimathaea had time on that same day, after Jesus' death and after asking Pontius Pilate for the body of Jesus, and the inquisition made of Pilate to the guard, and taking Jesus down and way, to then purchase afterward [“And bought”] “fine linen” to wrap Jesus' body in [Mark 15:46].
[6] Nicodemus had time on that same day to bring [“brought”] “a mixture of myrrh and aloes, about an hundred pound [weight]” [John 19:39] along with Joseph of Arimathaea to then “wound it in linen clothes with the spices” and embalm the body of Jesus with [Matthew 27:59; Mark 15:46; Luke 23:53; John 19:40].
[7] According to the texts, there was still time before the Sabbath, according to the commandment [Luke 23:56] had come, as the Scriptures reveal that it was still “the preparation day”, though the “sabbath drew on” [or was nearing] [Luke 23:54].
[8] They all had time on that same day, even after all these events to go to the tomb with Jesus and lay Him in the tomb, and seal it [Matthew 27:60-61; Mark 15:47; Luke 23:55; John 19:41-42].
[9] Even after the women saw how Jesus was laid in the tomb, and the tomb then sealed, they still had sufficient time before the sabbath was upon them to “return” from the tomb to their homes.
[10] Once the women had “returned” to their homes [some Jerusalem, others possibly Olivet] they still had enough time, because the Scriptures recorded that they then “prepared spices and ointments” [Luke 23:56] before the Sabbath, in which they then when it had come, finally, “rested according to the commandment.” [Luke 23:56] and later came after the sabbath was past, even early in the morning of the first day of the week, even "bringing the spices which they had prepared" (Luke 24:1) the day of Christ's Crucifixion, wherein then it is obvious that they "had bought" them that day, the sixth day of the week, before the 7th Day the Sabbath of the LORD thy God, according to the Commandment actually commenced, which was about 3 hours.
Let us now, come back to the main text at issue:
And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the [mother] of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him. Mark 16:1
Much is made of the “had bought”, and the timing thereof in this text, only because it is isolated from the other texts of the four Gospels.
This text (Mark 16:1) does not indicate that a seasonal feast sabbath had come, and then a normal day existed inbetween for them to make purchase, which was then followed by the 7th Day Sabbath, as many incorrectly subscribe to, for it has been shown Prophetically and Typologically (Jonah, Manna, and more still to come in the Levitical Calender, etc) that that would be impossible (and will be yet further still, in total). Let us then look at the words:
"had bought" [already having had purchased, sometime in the past] -
Tense: Aorist
Voice: Active
Mood: Indicative
Person: third
Number: Plural
Voice: Active
Mood: Indicative
Person: third
Number: Plural
“The Aorist tense conveys the truth that ... (indicative mood is mood of reality) has occurred at a point in the past without specifying when this event occurred. … One writer adds "strictly speaking, the aorist denotes past time only in the indicative ... (Learning the Basics of New Testament Greek. AMG Publishers)" - Greek Quick Reference Guide
This is s a past tense action, and the Greek aorist [tense] indicative [mood] reveals that it was an event [the purchasing] already past and done, some time before these events, without the text determining the exact moment of purchase in the past, but we can know by the other texts, and the women's own faithfulness that it had to be sometime before the Sabbath mentioned in this text and others. When we combine all of those previous points [1-10], we can know that the women had plenty of time to make the purchase of those spices several hours before Sabbath had come, while the men [Joseph and Nicodemus] were doing the things recorded, even purchasing “linen”, etc. We can know that the women already had the spices before Jesus was laid in the tomb, and thus we can conclusively determine that they “had bought” those spices sometime before then.
Not content with this, others attempt to wrest the passage from the context order, but please notice the connections of “and” in successive time keeping:
And when he knew [it] of the centurion, he gave the body to Joseph. - Mark 15:45
And he bought fine linen, and took him down, and wrapped him in the linen, and laid him in a sepulchre which was hewn out of a rock, and rolled a stone unto the door of the sepulchre. - Mark 15:46
Mark 15:46 is preceeded by Mark 15:45, which gives us succession of events in their order, and vs 46 begins with "kai" [And], connecting the two.
Therefore, Joseph was given the body, he bought fine linen, and then took the body down, and then wrapped Jesus in that just purchased Linen, etc. Plenty of time in the day to do so, since Jesus had died at approx 3PM, and there was several hours left before sunset and the 7th Day Sabbath was to begin.
The word in Greek in Matthew 15:46, αγορασαςG59 V-AAP-NSM
Robinson's Morphological Analysis Codes:
Tense: Aorist
Voice: Active
Mood: Participle [a verbal adjective]
Case: Nominative
Number: Singular
Gender: Masculine
It is translated as "buy (28x), redeem (3x)", thus 31 times, in the King James Bible:
bought, 13
Mat 13:46, Mat 21:12, Mat 27:7, Mar 11:15, Mar 15:46, Mar 16:1, Luk 14:18-19 (2), Luk 17:28, Luk 19:45, 1Co 6:20, 1Co 7:23, 2Pe 2:1
buy, 13
Mat 14:15, Mat 25:9-10 (2), Mar 6:36-37 (2), Luk 9:13, Luk 22:36, Joh 4:8, Joh 6:5, Joh 13:29, 1Co 7:30, Rev 3:18, Rev 13:17
redeemed, 3
Rev 5:9, Rev 14:3-4 (2)
buyeth, 2
Mat 13:44, Rev 18:11
In every instance it means to purchase.
I will also recommend upon this issue, a webpage with several helpful charts -
A helpful breakdown, Was Jesus crucified on Wednesday, Thursday, or Friday? (Wayback Machine required now) - Was Jesus crucified on Wednesday, Thursday, or Friday?
Helpful Chart (Wayback Machine required now) - http://biblelight.net/Passover chart.htm
We find the women preparing those spices upon the same day Jesus was crucified (Luke 23:56), and then coming with them “prepared” on Resurrection morning (Luke 24:1), which means that they "had been" purchased the day of the crucifixion and before sundown." - Does the day of Christ resurrection tell us to worship on Sunday?
If you want to discuss the phrase "three days and three nights in the heart of the earth" (Matthew 12:40), we can from scripture. It, in context, doesn't refer to the grave (time) only.
Hebrews 8:13 In that He says, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.[/QUOTE]
Read and decide for yourself if "covenant" is the right word because there are TWO (and more) words RELEVANT. In short, when relating God's action "Covenant" is correct; when relating man's action, "ministry" must CAREFULLY be and stay 'ministry', and not be CONFUSED for 'covenant’.
Hebrews 8 :
1Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an High Priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the aheavens; 2 a minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man. 3For every high priestV8 is ordained to offer gifts and sacrifices: wherefore it is of necessity that this man have somewhat (sacrifices) also to offer. 4For if he were (placedV7) on earth, he should not be a priest, seeing that there are priestV8 that offer gifts according to the law: 5Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount.
6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry,
6 νῦν δὲ διαφορωτέρας τέτυχεν λειτουργίας,
by how much also he is the mediator of [Possessive] a better covenant,
ὅσῳ καὶ κρείττονός ἐστιν διαθήκης μεσίτης,
which was established upon better promises (Christ had fulfilled).
ἥτις ἐπὶ κρείττοσιν ἐπαγγελίαις νενομοθέτηται.
7 Therefore if that first [ministry]
7 εἰ γὰρ ἡ πρώτη ἐκείνη [λειτουργία]
had been faultless (and its promises were not fulfilled),
ἦν ἄμεμπτος,
then should not have been sought place (on earthV4)
οὐκ ἂν ἐζητεῖτο τόπος
for the second [ministry] .
δευτέρας [λειτουργίας]
8 For finding fault with themV2,3,4 (ministers, priests), he saith,
8 μεμφόμενος γὰρ αὐτοὺς, λέγει,
Behold, the days come, saith the Lord,
Ἰδοὺ ἡμέραι ἔρχονται, λέγει Κύριος,
when I will make a new covenant
καὶ συντελέσω
both with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
ἐπὶ τὸν οἶκον Ἰσραὴλ καὶ ἐπὶ τὸν οἶκον Ἰούδα
9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers
9 οὐ κατὰ τὴν διαθήκην ἣν ἐποίησα τοῖς πατράσιν αὐτῶν
in the day when I took them by the hand
ἐν ἡμέρᾳ ἐπιλαβομένου μου τῆς χειρὸς αὐτῶν
to lead them out of the land of Egypt;
ἐξαγαγεῖν αὐτοὺς ἐκ γῆς Αἰγύπτου,
because they continued not in my covenant,
ὅτι αὐτοὶ οὐκ ἐνέμειναν ἐν τῇ διαθήκῃ μου,
and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
κἀγὼ ἠμέλησα αὐτῶν, λέγει Κύριος.
10/13 For this [is] the covenantA1: that I will makeZ2
10 ὅτι αὕτη ἡ διαθήκη ἣν διαθήσομαι
with the house of Israel after those days, saithZ1 the Lord;
τῷ οἴκῳ Ἰσραὴλ μετὰ τὰς ἡμέρας ἐκείνας, λέγει Κύριος,
I will putZ3 my lawsA2 into their mindY1,
διδοὺς νόμους μου εἰς τὴν διάνοιαν αὐτῶν,
and writeZ4 them in their heartsY2:
καὶ ἐπὶ καρδίας αὐτῶν ἐπιγράψω αὐτούς,
and I will beZ5 to them GODA3,
καὶ ἔσομαι αὐτοῖς εἰς Θεόν
and they shall be to me My PeopleX3:
καὶ αὐτοὶ ἔσονταί μοι εἰς λαόν.
11And they shall not teach every man his neighbour,
11 καὶ οὐ μὴ διδάξωσιν ἕκαστος τὸν πολίτην αὐτοῦ
and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD:
καὶ ἕκαστος τὸν ἀδελφὸν αὐτοῦ, λέγων Γνῶθι τὸν Κύριον,
for all shall know ME, from the least to the greatest.
ὅτι πάντες εἰδήσουσίν με ἀπὸ μικροῦ ἕως μεγάλου αὐτῶν.
12For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness,
12 ὅτι ἵλεως ἔσομαι ταῖς ἀδικίαις αὐτῶν,
and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.
καὶ τῶν ἁμαρτιῶν αὐτῶν οὐ μὴ μνησθῶ ἔτι.
13/10 In that He saith He maketh New [Covenant],
13/10 ἐν τῷ λέγειν Καινὴν πεπαλαίωκεν τὴν πρώτην·
He hath made the first [Covenant as well as ministry or service] old.
τὸ δὲ παλαιούμενον
Now that which decayeth and waxeth old
καὶ γηράσκον
[is] ready to vanish away.
ἐγγὺς ἀφανισμοῦ.
God never made two covenants.
Therefore when written “the first—” it’s “the first ministry” of God’s Covenant “if on earth” “administered” or “served” by priests on earth (mortals) “with blood of animals”.
And when written it’s “the second—”, it’s “the ministry” of Jesus Christ. “For we have an High Priest” 8:1, “Mediator” of God’s Eternal Covenant of Grace “administered” and “served” by Him “without sacrifice” and without the blood of animals, but “By His Own Blood”.
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CharismaticLady
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According to this statement, I'm not sure what you think I believe. Now you seem to be just ranting and making no sense at all.
CharismaticLady
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Read and decide for yourself if "covenant" is the right word because there are TWO (and more) words RELATIVE. In short, when relating God's action "Covenant" is correct; when relating man's action, "ministry" must CAREFULLY be and stay 'ministry', and not be CONFUSED for 'covenant’.
Hebrews 8 :
1Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an High Priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the aheavens; 2 a minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man. 3For every high priestV8 is ordained to offer gifts and sacrifices: wherefore it is of necessity that this man have somewhat (sacrifices) also to offer. 4For if he were (placedV7) on earth, he should not be a priest, seeing that there are priestV8 that offer gifts according to the law: 5Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount.
6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry,
6 νῦν δὲ διαφορωτέρας τέτυχεν λειτουργίας,
by how much also he is the mediator of [Possessive] a better covenant,
ὅσῳ καὶ κρείττονός ἐστιν διαθήκης μεσίτης,
which was established upon better promises (Christ had fulfilled).
ἥτις ἐπὶ κρείττοσιν ἐπαγγελίαις νενομοθέτηται.
7 Therefore if that first [ministry]
7 εἰ γὰρ ἡ πρώτη ἐκείνη [λειτουργία]
had been faultless (and its promises were not fulfilled),
ἦν ἄμεμπτος,
then should not have been sought place (on earthV4)
οὐκ ἂν ἐζητεῖτο τόπος
for the second [ministry] .
δευτέρας [λειτουργίας]
8 For finding fault with themV2,3,4 (ministers, priests), he saith,
8 μεμφόμενος γὰρ αὐτοὺς, λέγει,
Behold, the days come, saith the Lord,
Ἰδοὺ ἡμέραι ἔρχονται, λέγει Κύριος,
when I will make a new covenant
καὶ συντελέσω
both with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
ἐπὶ τὸν οἶκον Ἰσραὴλ καὶ ἐπὶ τὸν οἶκον Ἰούδα
9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers
9 οὐ κατὰ τὴν διαθήκην ἣν ἐποίησα τοῖς πατράσιν αὐτῶν
in the day when I took them by the hand
ἐν ἡμέρᾳ ἐπιλαβομένου μου τῆς χειρὸς αὐτῶν
to lead them out of the land of Egypt;
ἐξαγαγεῖν αὐτοὺς ἐκ γῆς Αἰγύπτου,
because they continued not in my covenant,
ὅτι αὐτοὶ οὐκ ἐνέμειναν ἐν τῇ διαθήκῃ μου,
and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
κἀγὼ ἠμέλησα αὐτῶν, λέγει Κύριος.
10/13 For this [is] the covenantA1: that I will makeZ2
10 ὅτι αὕτη ἡ διαθήκη ἣν διαθήσομαι
with the house of Israel after those days, saithZ1 the Lord;
τῷ οἴκῳ Ἰσραὴλ μετὰ τὰς ἡμέρας ἐκείνας, λέγει Κύριος,
I will putZ3 my lawsA2 into their mindY1,
διδοὺς νόμους μου εἰς τὴν διάνοιαν αὐτῶν,
and writeZ4 them in their heartsY2:
καὶ ἐπὶ καρδίας αὐτῶν ἐπιγράψω αὐτούς,
and I will beZ5 to them GODA3,
καὶ ἔσομαι αὐτοῖς εἰς Θεόν
and they shall be to me My PeopleX3:
καὶ αὐτοὶ ἔσονταί μοι εἰς λαόν.
11And they shall not teach every man his neighbour,
11 καὶ οὐ μὴ διδάξωσιν ἕκαστος τὸν πολίτην αὐτοῦ
and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD:
καὶ ἕκαστος τὸν ἀδελφὸν αὐτοῦ, λέγων Γνῶθι τὸν Κύριον,
for all shall know ME, from the least to the greatest.
ὅτι πάντες εἰδήσουσίν με ἀπὸ μικροῦ ἕως μεγάλου αὐτῶν.
12For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness,
12 ὅτι ἵλεως ἔσομαι ταῖς ἀδικίαις αὐτῶν,
and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.
καὶ τῶν ἁμαρτιῶν αὐτῶν οὐ μὴ μνησθῶ ἔτι.
13/10 In that He saith He maketh New [Covenant],
13/10 ἐν τῷ λέγειν Καινὴν πεπαλαίωκεν τὴν πρώτην·
He hath made the first [Covenant as well as ministry or service] old.
τὸ δὲ παλαιούμενον
Now that which decayeth and waxeth old
καὶ γηράσκον
[is] ready to vanish away.
ἐγγὺς ἀφανισμοῦ.
God never made two covenants.
Therefore when written “the first—” it’s “the first ministry” of God’s Covenant “if on earth” “administered” or “served” by priests on earth (mortals) “with blood of animals”.
And when written it’s “the second—”, it’s “the ministry” of Jesus Christ. “For we have an High Priest” 8:1, “Mediator” of God’s Eternal Covenant of Grace “administered” and “served” by Him “without sacrifice” and without the blood of animals, but “By His Own Blood”.[/QUOTE]
Those are all true, but have to do with the New Covenant, not the obsolete one.
CharismaticLady
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If there was a covenant, then a new covenant making the old covenant obsolete, what do you think he is talking about?
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What is the difference that Jesus is talking about here in John 15:10
10 If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love.
On Friday, after the Thursday high sabbath of unleavened bread, and before the weekly sabbath - then He rose on firstfruits, the day after that weekly sabbath.
Isn't it interesting that Nicodemus and Joseph anticipated His death on Pascha, already having spices and linen and a tomb ready?
Ziggy
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God created the 7th day and rested in it.
He gave to us His 7th day to share with him.
We enter in through the door.
The Door is Jesus Christ.
Why does everything have to be so complicated?
Hugs
He gave to us His 7th day to share with him.
We enter in through the door.
The Door is Jesus Christ.
Why does everything have to be so complicated?
Hugs
You assume - presume a Sabbath elevated and esteemed like a god. Christ is NOT our Sabbath. You reduce Christ to a created FINITE IMPERFECT thing the Sabbath.
Don't prescribe to God. You dare not say that <<The Sabbath was made for man in the flesh only, it was not made for God>> You dont know the Scriptures and you contradict and insult the Word of God. The saddest insult to The Lord's Day is that you say it isn't the Lord's Day. That it is worthless for God and it was pointless for Him to have made the Sabbath Day.
JUST BECAUSE YOU AROGANTLY CHALLENGE GOD ON THE VALIDITY OF HIS SABBATH FOR HIS PEOPLE.
Read Isaiah 56, 57 and 58 and read Jesus Christ where the Holy Spirit breathed the words, "The Son of Man".
Correct. 'high sabbath' usually fell on one out of any seven days every year.
But on Jesus' Last Passover OF YAHWEH it had to fall on the Sixth Weekday because "the third day" of "three days thick darkness" fell on the weekly Sabbath that year, Matthew 27:62 to 28:4, and it is expressly stated High Day of passover was on "the Preparation". John 19:31,38 Mark 15:42 Matthew 27:57 Luke 23:54-56.
Your post #304 refer--
From the word go, wrong. Are you truly interested? No, I dont think so. As I see it, your are set to defend the Day of the Lord Sun through the abuse of the Sabbath of the Lord's ONLY VIRTUE AND WORTHINESS OF INTEREST TO ITS MAKER: HIS REST ON THE SABBATH BY THE RESURRECTION OF THE SON you reject in defiance of Hebrews that God would "NOT SPEAK OF ANOTHER DAY AFTER IF JESUS HAD GIVEN THEM REST", in direct context, vis a vis, "God THUS CONCERNING THE SEVENTH DAY SPAKE: AND GOD THE SEVENTH DAY FROM ALL HIS WORKS RESTED." Hebrews 4:4 to 8.
You people aren't Seventh Day Adventists, you people are the GREAT DENIERS and the great adversary of "the Sabbath OF THE LORD having RESTED AND REVIVED THE SEVENTH DAY", having "BLESSED the Seventh Day", "SANCTIFIED the Seventh Day", "FINISHED the Seventh Day", "RESTED the Seventh Day", and "THUS", "MADE THE SABBATH".
"God spake", "and it was", and spoke God not "BY THE SON IN THESE LAST DAYS" in RISING FROM THE DEAD on the Sabbath, God never rested on and never made the Sabbath - and no one who ever hoped to rise, would have been deceived and DESERTED by their Maker and Saviour.
Heart of the Gospel
http://biblestudents.co.za/books/Di...aaste Lyding en Triomf van Jesus Christus.pdf
Read EVERY relevant Scripture in the last chapters of the four Gospels, in textual sequence put together in chronological and logical, historical order, word for word, verse by verse, context to context, using the King James Version interlinear with the Greek, and every shadow of doubt about Christ's perfect fulfilment of the Passover of Yahweh's "three days thick darkness" is dispelled sola Scriptura as per the Article of the Christian Confession of Faith, I believe in Christ, who was crucified, who died and was buried, and who “ROSE from the dead according to the Scriptures THE THIRD DAY”!
Read it HERE, http://www.biblestudents.co.za/book...aaste Lyding en Triomf van Jesus Christus.pdf
http://biblestudents.co.za/books/Di...aaste Lyding en Triomf van Jesus Christus.pdf
Read EVERY relevant Scripture in the last chapters of the four Gospels, in textual sequence put together in chronological and logical, historical order, word for word, verse by verse, context to context, using the King James Version interlinear with the Greek, and every shadow of doubt about Christ's perfect fulfilment of the Passover of Yahweh's "three days thick darkness" is dispelled sola Scriptura as per the Article of the Christian Confession of Faith, I believe in Christ, who was crucified, who died and was buried, and who “ROSE from the dead according to the Scriptures THE THIRD DAY”!
Read it HERE, http://www.biblestudents.co.za/book...aaste Lyding en Triomf van Jesus Christus.pdf
The Torah contains one Covenant which God oathed; made audible and visible on mount Sinai wherewith to express his concern for his People for whom He swore his Covenant. One, The Eternal Covenant of Grace closed in Full Fellowship of the Trinity in eternity before the world was made. The Torah - Law - calls it the New Testament / New Covenant or just God's 'Covenant'.
It also calls various ASPECTS of the Covenant other names, like "the Law", "the Ten Words". It makes no difference which facets or sapects or portions or parts--it is the Law of God or God's Covenant in WORSHIP, in prayer, in song in everything God's Law is God's Covenant is God's Purpose is God's Promise or Promises.
No true believer ever had difficulty understanding these things UNTIL ALONG CAME THE DISPENSATIONALISTS for nothing than to justify themselves in their transgression of the Fourth Commandment. I have said it many times and say it again, Did the Commandment not command the Sabbath Day of the LORD to be remembered and kept apart from the other six days of the week we never would have heard of dispensationalism.
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